Israel / Palestine News Thread

[Raze]

https://www.972mag.com/tunnels-hamas-lethal-gas-bombs-gaza/

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The Israeli army intensively bombarded residential areas in Gaza when it lacked intelligence on the exact location of Hamas commanders hiding underground, and intentionally weaponized toxic byproducts of bombs to suffocate militants in their tunnels, an investigation by +972 Magazine and Local Call can reveal.

The investigation, based on conversations with 15 Israeli Military Intelligence and Shin Bet officers who have been involved in tunnel-targeting operations since October 7, exposes how this strategy aimed to compensate for the army’s inability to pinpoint targets in Hamas’ subterranean tunnel network. When targeting senior commanders in the group, the Israeli military authorized the killing of “triple-digit numbers” of Palestinian civilians as “collateral damage,” and maintained close real-time coordination with U.S. officials regarding the expected casualty figures.

Some of these strikes, which were the deadliest in the war and often used American bombs, are known to have killed Israeli hostages despite concerns raised ahead of time by military officers. Moreover, the lack of precise intelligence meant that in at least three major strikes, the army dropped several 2,000-pound bunker-buster bombs that killed scores of civilians — part of a strategy known as “tiling” — without succeeding in killing the intended target.

 

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“Pinpointing a target inside a tunnel is hard, so you attack a [wide] radius,” a Military Intelligence source told +972 and Local Call. Given that the army would have only a vague approximation of the target’s location, the source explained, this radius would be as large as “tens and sometimes hundreds of meters,” meaning these bombing operations collapsed multiple apartment buildings on their occupants without warning. “Suddenly you see how someone in the IDF really behaves when given the opportunity to wipe out an entire residential block — and they do it,” the source added.

The investigation also reveals how Israel has known for years that the use of bunker-buster bombs releases the lethal gas carbon monoxide as a byproduct, which can kill people inside a tunnel through asphyxiation even at a distance of hundreds of meters from the strike location. After discovering this by chance in 2017, the army first tested it as a strategy in Gaza in 2021, and employed it in its efforts to kill Hamas commanders after October 7. This way, the army could attack targets without knowing their precise location, and without having to rely on direct hits.

“The gas stays underground, and people suffocate,” Brig. Gen. (res.) Guy Hazoot, the only source willing to be named, told +972 and Local Call. “[We realized] we could effectively target anyone underground using the Air Force’s bunker-buster bombs, which, even if they don’t destroy the tunnel, release gases that kill anyone inside. The tunnel then becomes a death trap.”

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Three Israeli hostages — Nik Beizer, Ron Sherman, and Elia Toledano — were definitively killed by asphyxiation as a result of a Nov. 10, 2023, bombing that targeted Ahmed Ghandour, a Hamas brigade commander in northern Gaza. The army told their families that, at the time of the bombing, it was unaware that hostages were being held near Ghandour. However, three sources with knowledge of the strike, which was led by the Shin Bet, told +972 and Local Call there was “ambiguous” intelligence indicating that hostages might be in the vicinity, yet the attack was still authorized.

According to six sources, this was not an isolated case but one of “dozens” of Israeli airstrikes that likely endangered or killed hostages. They described how the military command greenlighted attacks on the homes of suspected kidnappers and the tunnels from which senior Hamas figures were directing the fighting.

 

[PurpleTree]

 

[Nivsch]

[zazen]

@Nivsch I think Bibi gets scapegoated so a larger segment of Israeli society don’t get blamed. I may even add that Bibi is scapegoated so a segment of the US elites don’t get blamed.

Bibi is a symptom of the problem: occupation - which requires the dehumanizing of Palestinian people. That dehumanization stems from a superiority complex which is behind a lot of imperial / colonial behaviour. 

There are many Israelis who think just like Bibi - meaning that this is a societal issue not just a Bibi one. Obviously not all Israelis, but it’s a sizeable portion. If we even just go by the many polls - it’s usually at least half voting in favour of pretty nasty things.

There is a smaller portion of Westerners who think Israel’s actions are just. They suffer from the same sickness as Bibi himself. 

Edited February 11 by zazen

[Hatfort]

Hamas has paused the hostage exchange until Israel complies with the terms of the ceasefire agreed between them.

During the ceasefire, Israel has kept killing unarmed civilians in Gaza daily, in smaller numbers. They've also increased their military presence in the West Bank, killing civilians there too, like they've transferred part of their Gaza troops there, one could deduce. Remember there's no Hamas in the West Bank. These things directly violate the terms of the agreement. They are also not allowing in the aid they agreed to, basic things like tents. They don't want to comply with what they signed. Do they even know what making a deal means?

Israel’s communications minister, Shlomo Karhi, has backed Trump’s call to let hell break out in Gaza if all the remaining Israeli captives are not released by Saturday. They cannot even comply with what they signed up for in the first phase.  I thought it would take them a bit longer to back in their word, at least until they had all their hostages home.

It seems the ceasefire is going to collapse soon. Let hell break out, Trump says, so more genocide, I guess. It didn't last long.

Edited February 11 by Hatfort

[PurpleTree]

Comedy?

 

[PurpleTree]

^ the King of Jordan is blinking S.O.S.

”save me from this Orang Utan”

[Raze]

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/gaza-israeli-forces-used-80-year-old-palestinian-human-shield-killing-him
 

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Israeli forces strapped explosives around the neck of an elderly Palestinian man in Gaza and forced him to act as a human shield before killing him and his wife, an investigation by the Israeli news website HaMakom has revealed.

The Palestinian man, who has not been named but is believed to have been well above the age of 80, was told that if he did not carry out the searches Israeli forces would detonate the explosives and "blow off his head."

 

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An Israeli soldier told HaMakom that after explosives were placed around the Palestinian man's neck, he was told "that if he does something wrong or not the way we want, the person behind him will pull the rope and his head will detach from the body."

"That's how he walked around with us for eight hours, even though he's an 80-year-old man and even though he couldn't run away from us. And that's knowing that there's a soldier behind him who can pull the rope at any second – and he's done," the soldier added.

According to HaMakom, after the elderly Palestinian was forced to enter homes and tunnel allegedly used by Hamas, the soldiers ordered him and his wife to leave the area for al-Mawasi, a small area that at the time was just 1km wide and was being used to house hundreds of thousands of Palestinians.

However, HaMakom said that no other battalions were informed that the couple would be making their way south and within 100 metres of being allowed to leave they were both shot dead.

"They died like that, in the street," another soldier told HaMakom.

 

 

Edited February 16 by Raze

[Hatfort]

With back and forths, and Palestinians still being killed, the hostage exchange between the two sides continues. Here we can see one of the Israeli hostages kissing Hamas militants at the time of his release.

 

[Nivsch]

4 hours ago, Hatfort said:

With back and forths, and Palestinians still being killed, the hostage exchange between the two sides continues. Here we can see one of the Israeli hostages kissing Hamas militants at the time of his release.

 

This is staged you know. There are proofs to that all over the internet. 

hamas forced hoatages to watch the release of their friends. 

hamas linked in chains hoatages and starved them.

hamas killed Shiri Bibas' babies with their bare hands.

You probably didn't watch any video of the cruel ceremonies it does.

The events of the past week prove that Hamas is a group of pure psychopaths and sadists in the most extreme form.

Edited Sunday at 03:55 PM by Nivsch

[Hatfort]

27 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

This is staged you know. There are proofs to that all over the internet. 

hamas forced hoatages to watch the release of their friends. 

hamas linked in chains hoatages and starved them.

hamas killed Shiri Bibas' babies with their bare hands.

You probably didn't watch any video of the cruel ceremonies it does.

The events of the past week prove that Hamas is a group of pure psychopaths and sadists in the most extreme form.

Yeah, it's literally done on a stage, so everyone sees it, but it's not a play, the kiss came from the guy. In the heat of the happiness of returning home, he kissed his captives. Two of them, it's fine.

Yeah, taking hostages is wrong, that's why the side doing it more frequently should stop doing it, which is the terrorist ethnostate of Israel. That, apart from destroying all buildings with people inside, and purposely shooting them on a mass scale, clearly non-convatant people. However, in the most difficult situations, the ones lucky enough to make it through the Hanibal Directive alive of their own army not firing at them, still unlucky to be hostage, had to go through a year and a half of their army again bombing all the infrastructure at of Gaza at that scale, many of them died. 

Of course, they were not in a palace, and the chains are believable accusations, which is not fine. They are still in clearly good health, and if they had been starved, which isn't the case, the question of who lets the food in there is clear, Israel. Their civilians, by the way, stop the aid trucks and destroy the food. On the other hand, the ones that don't have any impediment to feeding their hostages are on the other side of the fence, and they are coming out skinny and with clear marks of torture and mental distress. The kind people of Israel, once again, they have gone out to the streets to fight for the right of their army to rape hostages, one of the accused of rape revealed proudly his face on TV.

Hamas didn't kill their hostage babies with their bare hands, there is no evidence of that, and the family of these kids has asked the Israeli government officials to stop making such crazy public claims. Hamas preferred its hostages alive and in good health, as said before, but many died when the buildings collapsed on them because of the bombs thrown on them by their own nation at that scale.

[CuriousJames]

 

page 3 https://timesmachine.nytimes.com/timesmachine/1899/06/20/issue.html

 

Edited Sunday at 11:05 PM by CuriousJames

[Average Actualizer]

15 hours ago, CuriousJames said:

 

page 3 https://timesmachine.nytimes.com/timesmachine/1899/06/20/issue.html

 

You'll get called an anti-semitic conspiracy theorist when you point this stuff out tho...

[CuriousJames]

@Average Actualizer @Average Actualizer

6 hours ago, Average Actualizer said:

You'll get called an anti-semitic conspiracy theorist when you point this stuff out tho...

 manipulators can call me all the names they want, all I ask is we stay focused on the points being made. For example, according to DNA tests Jews are Europeans/Khazars.

The MP4 videos are of Jews sharing their DNA tests 

Z1.mp4

Z2.mp4

Edited 10 hours ago by CuriousJames

[PurpleTree]

4 hours ago, CuriousJames said:

@Average Actualizer @Average Actualizer

 manipulators can call me all the names they want, all I ask is we stay focused on the points being made. For example, according to DNA tests Jews are Europeans/Khazars.

The MP4 videos are of Jews sharing their DNA tests 

Z1.mp4

Z2.mp4

What do you mean by that they are a Turkic people?

[CuriousJames]

@PurpleTree @PurpleTree

16 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

What do you mean by that they are a Turkic people?

 

[PurpleTree]

1 minute ago, CuriousJames said:

@PurpleTree @PurpleTree

 

Yes but in your post you said they were European/Khazar genetically.

But Turkic people came from central north Asia. Turkic is not even a indo european language so they are not European.

Or are you saying they are mixed Asian and European?

[CuriousJames]

@PurpleTree @PurpleTree

21 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Yes but in your post you said they were European/Khazar genetically.

But Turkic people came from central north Asia. Turkic is not even a indo european language so they are not European.

Or are you saying they are mixed Asian and European?

I never said the word “genetically”. 

If you watch the first video you’ll see the DNA test say 100% European Jew so it looks like that is a possibility. 

Edit: When I said European/Khazar I was suggesting two possible realities.

Edited 8 hours ago by CuriousJames

[PurpleTree]

2 minutes ago, CuriousJames said:

@PurpleTree @PurpleTree

I never said the word “genetically”. 

If you watch the first video you’ll see the DNA test say 100% European Jew so it looks like that is a possibility. 

But Khazar are Turkic and not European.

[CuriousJames]

@PurpleTree Khazar refers to Turkic speaking people and so could they not be found in both Asia and Europe? Read the details in the image provided. Russia is part of Europe, is it not?