Israel / Palestine News Thread

[Raze]

2 hours ago, Nivsch said:

@zazen This 80% support doesn't indicate militaristic or fundamentalist views because it is very logical to struggle with this relocation question AFTER all that happaned to both sides.

Even before the war do you see Gazans lives good enough in this tiny corridor held hostages by a terrorist regime that force restriction on them from both inside and outside?

I can't see hamas even not as an understandable extreme byproduct creation of Palestinians desires to self determination. Really not. Rather it seems to me as a purely psychopatic organization that does not express anything beyond itself and its twisted fanatic ideology.

The whole argument Israelis make about Hamas and how they can’t be negotiated with is that they want Jews kicked out of the land and for that you call them genocidal and psychopathic. Yet when 80% of Israelis want Gazans ethnically cleansed and you excuse it.because of “all that happened”.

Palestinians have experienced far more brutality than Israelis, yet you don’t excuse any of them that hold extreme or antisemitic beliefs.

The fact of the matter is Hamas is more reasonable than the Israeli government. Hamas said in their new charter and said repeatedly they’d have a long term ceasefire in exchange for a state. The ruling Israel party likud’s charter on the other hand says they reject that and want israel control over the river to the sea. 

International law is in line with Palestinians having a state, not with Israelis keeping 2 million Gazans in an open air prison and keeping 3 million under West Bank apartheid where even your own government officials admit settlers are regularly committing pogroms and terror attacks on as well as seizing their land.

Here is an attached image of what happened before Hamas ordered its first attack targeting civilians

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[Raze]

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'We don't have any complainants,' Israeli prosecutor says dept failed to gather evidence on Oct 7 'mass rape' claims 

"In the end, we don’t have any complainants. What was presented in the media compared to what will eventually come together will be entirely different…" Moran Gaz said.

https://www.newindianexpress.com/world/2025/Jan/06/we-dont-have-any-complainants-israeli-prosecutor-says-dept-failed-to-gather-evidence-on-oct-7-mass-rape-claims

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[PurpleTree]

So basically now Israels/Bibis plan is to expell most Palestinians.

Then take Gaza and maybe also West Bank and integrate maybe some who stayed?

And then just hope that enough Arab countries accept the facts on the ground.

And that Iran either accepts or gets regime changed?

 

 

I mean it seems like a wild plan.

[hundreth]

1 hour ago, Raze said:

It would actually be easier to relocate Israelis as 10% already have duel passports and many are leaving as we speak.

This statement shows how ridiculous you're being.

[Raze]

41 minutes ago, hundreth said:

This statement shows how ridiculous you're being.

Telling people who are relatively well off and already have citizenship and regularly visit wealthy western countries and have family there already to move would clearly be practically easier than forcing poor middle eastern countries to facilitate the ethnic cleansing of millions of injured and traumatized refugees.

Does that mean it should be done? No, obviously.

The AI shows the issue of bias. The human rights of Palestinians aren’t respected by the world and what is unthinkable to do to certain classes of people is ok to talk about doing to them, because they’ve been dehumanized to that point.

 

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[PurpleTree]

MAGA or MIGA 

potato patata

Trump asked if he still believes in a Palestinian state

[Yimpa]

https://www.axios.com/2025/02/05/trump-gaza-takeover-palestinians-israel

Trump says he wants to take over the Gaza Strip and have it be owned by America.

[Raze]

2 hours ago, Yimpa said:

https://www.axios.com/2025/02/05/trump-gaza-takeover-palestinians-israel

Trump says he wants to take over the Gaza Strip and have it be owned by America.

It’s a negotiation tactic, he was saying the same about Canada a couple weeks ago 

[Ero]

This is just horrid.

[Yimpa]

2 hours ago, Raze said:

It’s a negotiation tactic, he was saying the same about Canada a couple weeks ago 

Sounds more like coercion than negotiation. 

[aurum]

8 hours ago, Raze said:

The human rights of Palestinians aren’t respected by the world and what is unthinkable to do to certain classes of people is ok to talk about doing to them, because they’ve been dehumanized to that point.

It's less about dehumanization and more about the fact that the Palestinians have no power.

When you are a weak nation, stronger nations will push you around.

[zazen]

It’s one thing for Gazans to move temporarily while they clean up the place of undetonated explosives and rubble, so they can build temporary housing until permanent housing is built which will take much longer.

But these fools are calling for a permanent  move. Even if they said they need it to be temporary so they can clear up, we all know they wouldn’t take them back.

The irony of Trump saying the place has been full of destruction and blood for decades - while sitting next to the man who’s caused it and who’s state has been a behind it..while he grins.

They want to bring Kushner and his fund in with the UAE to develop the strip into plush seaside resorts. Not sure the Palestinians are going to just move that easily to begin with, and Egypt / Jordan aren’t going to concede to that either because it will destabilise them also - not to mention that they don’t want to be accomplices in ethic cleansing or lay the groundwork for a future fight with Israel. 

Edited 6 hours ago by zazen

[zazen]