Israel / Palestine News Thread

[Leo Gura]

Every Zionist accusation is a confession.

[Karmadhi]

20 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Every Zionist accusation is a confession.

Damn Leo, what has happened.

You were quite soft on Israel but on last weeks, especially since the Pager attack, you have become as harsh as the pro Palestinians here.

I am surprised.

Did something specific happen or you just read more on the situation?

[PurpleTree]

6 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

 

Did something specific happen?

Probably a hot "woke" chick.

 

 

 

jk

[Thought Art]

@PurpleTree Don't,

[Karmadhi]

22 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Probably a hot "woke" chick.

 

Are you pro Israeli?

You seem to be.

If yes, why?

[PurpleTree]

42 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

@PurpleTree Don't,

Just reminded me of something

I’ve seen a documentary once.

Where a camera team followed a far right wing type guy basically a young far right activist nationalist leader in Eastern Europe in Poland or something.

They protested against LGBT and did all kinds of stuff. Talked about the white race around camp fires etc.

Then the kid went to university (because he was actually kind of bright) there he met a woke chick who switched him, he started taking psychedelics, became an LGBT pro protestor, painted his finger nails, got tattos etc.

 

 

Edited October 15 by PurpleTree

[PurpleTree]

6 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

Are you pro Israeli?

You seem to be.

If yes, why?

I don’t think I am really.

I’ve visited Israel and West Bank once.

 

 

[Raze]

 

[Nemra]

1 hour ago, Karmadhi said:

you have become as harsh as the pro Palestinians here.

He claims to be pro-truth, not pro-Palestinian. 😏

[Karmadhi]

1 hour ago, Nemra said:

He claims to be pro-truth, not pro-Palestinian. 😏

Or perhaps the pro Palestinians views correlate with Truth  

[Karmadhi]

2 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

I don’t think I am really.

 

You seem to be very apologetic for their barbarism that is why I wondered.

[Leo Gura]

It's not about pro or anti, it's just about seeing past bullshit.

Anyone allergic to bullshit should have a problem with Israeli conduct.

Edited October 15 by Leo Gura

[Letho]

5 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

Just reminded me of something

I’ve seen a documentary once.

Where a camera team followed a far right wing type guy basically a young far right activist nationalist leader in Eastern Europe in Poland or something.

They protested against LGBT and did all kinds of stuff. Talked about the white race around camp fires etc.

Then the kid went to university (because he was actually kind of bright) there he met a woke chick who switched him, he started taking psychedelics, became an LGBT pro protestor, painted his finger nails, got tattos etc.

 

 

 

 

@PurpleTree

 

With respect to the converted 'kid', underneath there's the same desire for truth as there is for you and I and so all three of us have that same switch underneath us, because its predicted on a sense of rightness and wrongness, truth over falsity. Although that may sound beautiful and great on the surface, coalesced with that is the simultaneous intersection with the ability to differentiate these things cognitively, separate it from past trauma and elucidate mature equilibriums relative to the rest of the swath of energetic, emotional, intuitive and especially social experiences that are a part of informing consciousnesses final resolve for the stage of decision making each of us three, and for that matter, the entire forum is in. 

If you imagine consciousness as a circle reflecting the inner core of being, while all of these other areas 'energetic, emotional, trauma, cognitive, etc' as separate bubbles that are all directing their energy towards that core, where connected to or absent from that consciousness core is an underlying conscience with only degrees of mature development, you'll understand how the guy that switched could be any one of us if you change just a few of the quantitative metrics of each of those other categories. 

Ironically, this is both the virtue and vice of psychopaths, where although they're not going to be the one's irrationally changing due to some arbitrary variable like a tendency towards group conformity, they're actually far more likely to be leaders at the top of these kind of outfits (including and separate to people higher up on Narcissistic Personality Disorder), in fact it would give them great pleasure the more intelligence they have because of course, it genuinely takes considerable intelligence to both not care about the actual outcome of a movement outside of one's covert strategic intention while also successfully manipulating to the point of persuading hundreds to thousands if not more. 

There is this overly simplistic pseudo-intellectual attitude in some spiritual circles that because values and principles are relative to a culture in which they're from, that means that values and principles don't inherently actually matter and anyone is philosophically right to actually do whatever it is they want. This is fundamentally true from a psychopaths biological context, however only partly, moreover when we're speaking about the broader population the pattern that we're noting when we speak of the generation of tradition and its outfit of values and principles, across the entire planet of cultures, is of course, the very natural and organic drive to organize truth from falsity relative to an underlying inherent drive towards wanting to not only know what is morally good but also be a part of it socially and build communities who's underlying spirit is fostered by its essence. The varying nature of tradition in culture when it comes to morality has nothing to do with then the absence of an inherent truth in 'philosophical morality' but purely the reason for why, to bring us back to where we started, 'Us Three' as I put it or as I furthered it 'Each Individual on the Forum', would have a different propensity to this individual that 'switched' and therefore from our relative position gives us 'Fair Game' to criticize them however when you changed just a few of the metrics of our biological and or environmental backgrounds, all of a sudden, we're perhaps even worse than the person that was brainwashed with ease on the switch. Or in the case of understanding why the morality varies between cultures and history, is to understand the unique environmental and biological context in which the traditions for morals and, eventually, an understanding of what universal virtue which is what this is all meant to lead to, ends. Propensity is to drive is to purpose is to an end that is solved via biology (Functional Philosophy) and environmental understanding (Structural Philosophy), so 'absolute truth' is in part, the achievement of the 'absolute solution' to any one of our drives of which a universal philosophy is concerning one that serves the underlying intention for all cultures across the planet, which of course too, includes respecting the individual functional and structural intelligence that has surfaced uniquely over the centuries since the dawn of time when a psychopath could easily just claim themselves as leader by beating another 'Neanderthal' over the head with a rock, which actually happened. This isn't to say, 'This is what they did in those times!', as that would be totally misplaced when it comes to accurately contextualizing those actions from then relative position of where their may for example have been less or more psychopaths relative to demographic and time of history, not to mention mental illness, especially situationally given 'Structural Philosophy' which contains all of the knowledge we've learned for how to self-regulate relative to social position is what often automatically controls our automatic impulses, that in our earliest times in history we just wouldn't have the knowledge much less social norms to be able to intelligently negotiate, so in the context of jealousy for example, without awareness it would often override the intelligence of the respective sentience and then from the future looking back we would ignorantly say 'look at what they did in those times' totally overlooking a more accurate interpretation of contextualized morality. 

Moving forward 100 years into the future and holding onto the assumption that we continue to progress philosophically rather than regress (the latter is arguably more possible though let's try and do our best given psychopaths and narcissists are able to live hidden in plain sight these days in political strata), we would look at this situation of the 'Switch' as a case study example where we further understood the vulnerabilities of human psychology versus the strengths that don't just protect it from being easy to change, because the susceptibility to change overlaps with neuroplasticity which is a positive of the related person, nor even just protect us via critical thinking, however inbuilt within our non-informational moral strata an understanding of all of the 'Energy Units' like psychological characteristics that have been well categorized like 'Disgust Sensitivity', 'Prudence' and others that bring greater 'Emotional Stability', which would then allow in advance as a new scenario if we were to alter these characteristics of the related person and run a new computer simulation as to what would happen after this change in the individual.

What I have personally originated is this distinction between 'Functional' and 'Structural' philosophy and I think if people used this layer to understand how they conceptualize the origins of morality, it would really help them understand morality from a biological perspective rather than via the fragile filters of pure historical analysis that requires more of the stated contextualisaton, including too a radical new awareness for how new cultural outgrowths like that we have fascinatingly, however simultaneously disappointing and depressing it is from another angle, seen in the USA manifest over just the last two decades especially though held within the broader context of something that has spiraled more from the 1960's. Some on this forum would undoubtedly try to conceptualize everything using models like spiral dynamics, however you're going to have to try a bit harder if you really want to understand the level of danger the whole world is in as a consequence of these manifesting from what is scarily categorized as the most powerful country on earth. The most powerful and yet for a very large section of their population, arguably the most brainwashed and philosophically weakest in light of the opportunities they have before them to evolve their nature as sentient beings. 

 

[PurpleTree]

4 hours ago, Karmadhi said:

You seem to be very apologetic for their barbarism that is why I wondered.

Can you show me some of my posts of where I’m "very apologetic for their barbarism"?

I’ve said multiple times Bibi should be in jail.

I do think Islamism is stupid and dangerous though.

[Nivsch]

1 hour ago, PurpleTree said:

I’ve said multiple times Bibi should be in jail.

Bibi is terrible no disagreement on that.

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

Bibi is terrible no disagreement on that.

Not nearly as terrible as Ben Gvir, who is a Zionist Nazi.

[Nivsch]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Not nearly as terrible as Ben Gvir, who is a Zionist Nazi.

He is a nightmare 🦇🏰  causes a lot of damage inside the country too.

[Nivsch]

6 hours ago, Letho said:

Moving forward 100 years into the future and holding onto the assumption that we continue to progress philosophically rather than regress (the latter is arguably more possible

Do you think society has more regressed than progressed in last couple of decades?

[Nivsch]

Edited October 15 by Nivsch

[zazen]

Link to the below clip:  https://x.com/im_pulse/status/1845933130890481804?s=46&t=DuLUbFRQFGpB8oo7PwRglQ

 

 

Those who argue that Israel cannot be committing ethnic cleansing because it hasn’t happened all at once in 24 hours misunderstand how such atrocities unfold over time, sometimes over years or even decades. Historical examples, such as the Rwandan genocide or the Holocaust, began with gradual dehumanization, escalating violence, and legal or political measures that stripped away rights bit by bit, often disguised under the cloak of “security” or “self-defense.”

Previously unacceptable acts like targeting civilians or hospitals suddenly being “justified” is part of the process that normalizes violence against marginalized groups. The world has seen this pattern repeatedly in history, where a slow escalation of justifications and exceptions leads to the complete abandonment of legal and moral standards.

Then we look back in horror, but only when it’s too late.

Edited October 15 by zazen