Israel / Palestine News Thread

[Karmadhi]

32 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

nd mayhap it was done through terrible atrocities.  But those same horrible acts were done apon them. Where is the focus on that? 

I think it is because the world sees Europe and especially Germany as the big oppressor and murderer of Jews.

If the Nakba had happened in Germany and Jews had taken part of Germany to make a country, I think few would have issues with it.

But in Palestine Jews and Muslims lived in peace for centuries. They are seen as innocent, or at least far far nicer than Europeans to jews.

Therefore, it is unfair for them to suffer the price of European barbarism towards Jews.

Imagine I bully you then you go bully some random guy who had nothing to do with it.

It would be as unfair as my bullying was.

The Holocaust was not a Palestinian action, it was an European action.

Europe alone should suffer the consequences of it, not Palestine.

See the point?

 

Edited October 7 by Karmadhi

[Inliytened1]

12 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

I think it is because the world sees Europe and especially Germany as the big oppressor and murderer of Jews.

If the Nakba had happened in Germany and Jews had taken part of Germany to make a country, I think few would have issues with it.

But in Palestine Jews and Muslims lived in peace for centuries. They are seen as innocent, or at least far far nicer than Europeans to jews.

Therefore, it is unfair for them to suffer the price of European barbarism towards Jews.

Imagine I bully you then you go bully some random guy who had nothing to do with it.

It would be as unfair as my bullying was.

The Holocaust was not a Palestinian action, it was an European action.

Europe alone should suffer the consequences of it, not Palestine.

See the point?

 

Hamas isn't some random guy they massacred 1500 Jews.

[Yimpa]

Kamala speaking about the Hamas attack:

 

[Raze]

 

[PurpleTree]

8 hours ago, Karmadhi said:

I think it is because the world sees Europe and especially Germany as the big oppressor and murderer of Jews.

If the Nakba had happened in Germany and Jews had taken part of Germany to make a country, I think few would have issues with it.

But in Palestine Jews and Muslims lived in peace for centuries. They are seen as innocent, or at least far far nicer than Europeans to jews.

Therefore, it is unfair for them to suffer the price of European barbarism towards Jews.

Imagine I bully you then you go bully some random guy who had nothing to do with it.

It would be as unfair as my bullying was.

The Holocaust was not a Palestinian action, it was an European action.

Europe alone should suffer the consequences of it, not Palestine.

See the point?

 

Europe did suffer the consequences.

Many cities totally destroyed. Many million people killed. More than 4 Million civilians in Germany i think died. Dresden etc.  Many many women raped and so on.

[zazen]

9 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

But you see certain people here view Israel as corrupt even as far back as how they founded their state.  And mayhap it was done through terrible atrocities.  But those same horrible acts were done apon them.

That's not justification do to horrible acts to others though. Otherwise, we can say that whats happening to Gazans can now be done upon Israelis, which is wrong. Israels Mossad headquarters is based in a densley populated area of Tel Aviv filled with civilians - can we say Israel is using human shields? Does this become a legit target? Of course not, but Israels government thinks different when they see Palestinians.

9 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

Where is the focus on that?  Just because the war in Gaza is current events we must not forget history.

But we must learn from history and not commit the same mistakes, or similar. What makes Israel a special case is it was founded in the 20th century when the world had already adopted new norms around self determination and de-colonisation. Even if we put the founding of Israel behind us, the issue is they still continue to expand settlements till today and take territory or deny territory to Palestinians in the form of their own state.

The focus is because the West completely backs and sends money to Israel unconditionally while not having as much concern for their own citizens (Hurricane Helen as a recent example). The entire America First meme indicates how fed up people are. So not only can the West play a massive part in stopping this grave injustice, but they can focus on their own issues.

9 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

So it's easy to say it's all on Israel.  It's easy to focus on what they are doing because it's at the forefront.

Thats why its the focus of today, because we can do something about it. Most countries were found on violent histories - but thats the point, that violence is history and not a present reality as nations have largely resolved their territorial disputes and settled within their borders. But no nation is obstructing another group from having their own today except Israel. You can't just keep millions of people stateless into the 21st century as if their a random tribe in the Amazon rainforest.

Edited October 8 by zazen

[Leo Gura]

Ethnic cleansing for me but not for thee.

[Karmadhi]

12 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

Hamas isn't some random guy they massacred 1500 Jews.

Perhaps it was not clear what I wrote.

I will make it more clear.

I was referring to the creation of Israel and all the brutal actions that came with it.

I am not referring to what is happening right now, but explaining why Israel is so hated by the region.

All the brutal actions Leo explained regarding how Israel was funded.

PS: Do not use fake numbers, Israel has said around 1150 died in total and around 750 to 800 were civilians. From them, some were killed by Israel itself but the number is unknown. 

Edited October 8 by Karmadhi

[Karmadhi]

3 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

Europe did suffer the consequences.

Many cities totally destroyed. Many million people killed. More than 4 Million civilians in Germany i think died. Dresden etc.  Many many women raped and so on.

Not regarding the holocaust. There was no punishment for Germany about it.

They just decided to put all the Jews in Europe into a new state for Jewish people and since the UK occupied land in the Middle East, it was decided to make it there.

Was Palestine consulted about it? Was the region? Did they give the green light beforehand? Did Palestine population did? I dont think so.

So Palestine was the one that suffered the consequences with half its territory of the British Mandate being given to Israel.

Why didnt Europe force Germany to give up some of its territory for Israel?

Or Italy?

Nobody would have had issues with that.

 

Edited October 8 by Karmadhi

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

Not regarding the holocaust. There was no punishment for Germany about it.

Germany paid reparations to Israel and Jews for the Holocaust.

https://www.state.gov/reports/just-act-report-to-congress/germany/

Edited October 8 by Leo Gura

[PurpleTree]

15 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

Not regarding the holocaust. There was no punishment for Germany about it.

They just decided to put all the Jews in Europe into a new state for Jewish people and since the UK occupied land in the Middle East, it was decided to make it there.

Was Palestine consulted about it? Was the region? Did they give the green light beforehand? Did Palestine population did? I dont think so.

So Palestine was the one that suffered the consequences with half its territory of the British Mandate being given to Israel.

Why didnt Europe force Germany to give up some of its territory for Israel?

Or Italy?

Nobody would have had issues with that.

 

Jews/Zionists wanted to go to Israel/Palestine even before the war

Germany is now still supporting Israel without limits to the detriment of the Palestinians because of the holocaust 

But in the Holocaust also Millions and Millions of non Jews died that’s sometimes almost forgotten 

 

 

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Jews/Zionists wanted to go to Israel/Palestine even before the war

The Israel ethnic cleansing project began before the Holocaust, from the 1930s it was underway.

The irony is that before Jews were ethnically cleansed from Germany they had already been planning how to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians.

[zazen]

Seems like the ethnic cleansing and dispossession will continue if this video indicates what looks like West Bank 2.0 in the making : 

New buffer zones created in Gaza by dividing it into fractured blocks to be monitored via check points stationed in multiple corridors. So instead of occupying it from outside, they will occupy it from within.

Any Hamas fighters or ''resistance'' to this dystopia that pops up from the tunnels will be stamped out like a game of whack a mole as the IDF will be watching like hawks over it.

This isn't a solution, only a escalation of a already intolerable reality. As if we haven't seen what Israel has already done with their power except nothing but abuse it in the West Bank with settlement expansion. This reality will be copy and pasted onto Gaza as the precedent is already set.

All this done in the 21st century, backed by the West. The world failed the Palestinian people, shame.

[PurpleTree]

I mean if the Zionists can pull it off.

Remodelling the middle East, pacify or destroy their adversaries and eventually live in peace and prosper.

Then yea the death and destruction is very sad but it’s still impressive.

[Girzo]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The irony is that before Jews were ethnically cleansed from Germany they had already been planning how to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians.

One can call it a Zeitgeist.

[Karmadhi]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Germany paid reparations to Israel and Jews for the Holocaust.

 

So Germany who killed 6 million Jews has to pay some money while Palestine who did not do shit had half of its land stolen.

Clownery...

 

[Karmadhi]

4 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

Jews/Zionists wanted to go to Israel/Palestine even before the war

 

Why didnt those Jews go via immigration to Palestine and then they could have elections or any of the other things.

There were plenty of Jews in other Arab states living with the locals peacefully.

Why create a jew state in the first place?

And why create it in such a terroristic way?

[Jodistrict]

3 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

I mean if the Zionists can pull it off.

Remodelling the middle East, pacify or destroy their adversaries and eventually live in peace and prosper.

Then yea the death and destruction is very sad but it’s still impressive.

That's the illusion they believe in.  

[PurpleTree]

2 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

So Germany who killed 6 million Jews has to pay some money while Palestine who did not do shit had half of its land stolen.

Clownery...

 

Germany was split too.

And they lost over 4 Million civilians.

Dresden and such.

Many many many women raped.

Clownery…

[PurpleTree]

8 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

Why didnt those Jews go via immigration to Palestine and then they could have elections or any of the other things.

There were plenty of Jews in other Arab states living with the locals peacefully.

Why create a jew state in the first place?

And why create it in such a terroristic way?

Well it’s reality 

Why do the Palestinians resort to violence and not resolve it politically?

Why do Mulims in Europe often integrate worse than many other people?

Why does the sky look blue?

Why why why

why is a silly question. Better accept reality.