Israel / Palestine News Thread

[Inliytened1]

22 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

I accept what you say.

I am not so familiar with him in details,

Well you shouldn't accept what he says.   Those numbers do not correlate with historical records and are disputable and subjective just as his calling the founder of your country a terrorist is.

 Yes over 700,000 were displaced but this was during the war in which allowed the state to be founded.   As for casualties that number does not align with historical figures.   I can tell you that to me this was a great man who founded Israel.

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[Nivsch]

10 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Well you shouldn't accept what he says.   Those numbers do not correlate with historical records and are disputable and subjective just as his calling the founder of your country a terrorist is.

 Yes over 700,000 were displaced but this was during the war in which allowed the state to be founded.   As for casualties that number does not align with historical figures.   I can tell you that to me this was a great man who founded Israel.

And? I explained the context after that you didn't read probably, and "dark side" doesnt mean he didn't have other sides to him.

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[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

Holocaust crocodile tears? Classic. 

I'll remember that one next time I walk into the museum.  I'm gonna cry me a river of Holocaust crocodile tears  😀

Norman Finkelstein lost most of his family in the Holocaust. Yet he has no problem condemning Zionism.

This is for you:

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But no way on the 15k children - sorry..Claude said 200.

You have your facts wrong. That number of 200 is for children killed in the West Bank only. Not counting Gaza at all.

11,000-15,000 children were killed in Gaza in the last year. There is your holocaust.

Please look at the facts:

https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/more-women-and-children-killed-gaza-israeli-military-any-other-recent-conflict

https://abcnews.go.com/International/number-children-missing-separated-families-gaza-high-21000/story?id=111365036

https://www.unicefusa.org/stories/more-13000-children-reported-dead-gaza-famine-nears

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[Nemra]

15 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Norman Finkelstein lost most of his family in the Holocaust. Yet he has no problem condemning Zionism.

This is for you:

Such a great response!

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[Leo Gura]

36 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

 I can tell you that to me this was a great man who founded Israel.

Ben-Gurion approved his troops to terrorize Palestinian villages by going into them after midnight, while everyone slept, placing dynamite into their houses, and blowing them up while Palestinian families slept inside. This was done across many villages.

Some villages that sat down a hillside had barrels of explosives rolled down the hill on them by Ben-Gurion's terror squads and their streets were lit on fire with trucks spewing napalm. When the Palestinian villagers ran out of their homes to put out the fire, they were mowed down indiscriminately with machines guns.

This is how Israel was founded.

Menachem Begin was also a terrorist. Without Menachem Begin's terrorism against the British there would be no Israel. Menachem Begin conducted one of the most successful terrorism campaigns in the history of terrorism, which forced the British to withdraw from Palestine, leaving it to the Jews.

These are all well-documented historical facts. You can read about them in history books.

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[Raze]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Ben-Gurion approved his troops to terrorize Palestinian villages by going into them after midnight, while everyone slept, placing dynamite into their houses, and blowing them up while Palestinian families slept inside. This was done across many villages.

Some villages that sat down a hillside had barrels of explosives rolled down the hill on them by Ben-Gurion's terror squads and their streets with lit on fire with trucks spewing napalm. When the Palestinian villagers ran out of their homes to put out the fire, they were mowed down indiscriminately with machines guns.

This is how Israel was founded.

Menachem Begin was also a terrorist. Without Menachem Begin's terrorism against the British there would be no Israel. Menachem Begin conducted one of the most successful terrorism campaigns in the history of terrorism.

By this logic the American founding fathers were terrorists 

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[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, Raze said:

By this logic the American founding fathers were terrorists 

Against the Native Americans, yes.

Although I never read the America founding fathers employing the tactics of Ben-Gurion's and Menachim Begin's squads.

The early Spanish were definitely terroristic towards the natives.

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[Nivsch]

11 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

This is how Israel was founded

It is a bad unjustifiable part of the war, but a part of it.

To generalize it to the way Israel has founded is like to saý that US is standing on the shoulders of slaves owners. Just out of context and proportions.

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[Raze]

Interesting fact: Norman Finkelstein had a debate with Alan Dershowitz, who later would become famous for representing Jeffrey Epstein, and during it accused Dershowitz of plagiarism. As revenge, when Norman later tried to get tenure Dershowitz who was a Harvard professor pressured the college to reject it. Norman got blacklisted and hasn’t had a consistent teaching job since, even though the founder of holocaust studies who was a Republican, supported him.

[Leo Gura]

26 minutes ago, Raze said:

Dershowitz

A lying Trumpist scoundrel of the highest order.

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[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

Just out of context

The topic of ethnic cleansing is perfectly in context. This is the whole issue.

[Inliytened1]

28 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Norman Finkelstein lost most of his family in the Holocaust. Yet he has no problem condemning Zionism.

This is for you:

You seriously have your facts wrong. That number of 200 is for children killed in the West Bank only. Not counting Gaza at all.

11,000-15,000 children were killed in Gaza in the last year. There is your holocaust.

Please look at the facts:

https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/more-women-and-children-killed-gaza-israeli-military-any-other-recent-conflict

https://abcnews.go.com/International/number-children-missing-separated-families-gaza-high-21000/story?id=111365036

https://www.unicefusa.org/stories/more-13000-children-reported-dead-gaza-famine-nears

@Leo Gura @KarmadhiI  didn't realize the percentage of children was that high.   That is in fact really terrible.   

[Leo Gura]

Just now, Inliytened1 said:

@Leo Gura @KarmadhiI  didn't realize the percentage of children was that high.   That is in fact really terrible.   

Good. Keep an open mind and do more research. Your perspective will widen.

[Raze]

25 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

A lying scoundrel of the highest order.

There was never any evidence he was a pedophile, the only person who accused him later dropped the accusation 

He did write a article suggesting the age of consent should be lowered but that doesn’t mean he personally would sleep with someone underage 

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[Nivsch]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

The topic of ethnic cleansing is perfectly in context. This is the whole issue.

I wrote you what I think a page ago.

[Raze]

Ben Gurion is a mixed bag. He actually avoided completely ethnically cleansing the Palestinians when he could have.

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, Raze said:

There was never any evidence he was a pedophile, the only person who accused him later dropped the accusation 

He admits to getting a massage in Jeffery Epstein's mansion "but keeping his underwear on".

If you buy that, I got some Doge coin to sell you.

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HillTV noted that December 2000 travel records found on Epstein's plane mentioned a "massage" that was scheduled for "AD." Dershowitz told HillTV, "That was in my wife's calendar. My wife scheduled a massage."

https://www.theroot.com/alan-dershowitz-sure-i-got-a-massage-at-jeffrey-epstei-1836314016

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[Raze]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

He admits to getting a massage in Jeffery Epstein's house.

That doesn’t mean he was engaged in pedophilic activities. I could also say the creator of the Simpsons Matt Groening got a massage from Jeffrey Epstein sex slave to imply he’s a pedophile because that did happen, but we actually know he didn’t know she was a sex slave and it was just a foot massage. 

[Leo Gura]

15 minutes ago, Raze said:

creator of the Simpsons Matt Groening got a massage from Jeffrey Epstein sex slave

If that actually happened, that is super suss and I would not give Matt Groening the benefit of the doubt.

If you are getting massages at Jeffery Epstein's house, you should be on a national pedo watch list.

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[Raze]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

If that actually happened, that is super suss and I would not give Matt Groening the benefit of the doubt.

If you are getting massages at Jeffery Epstein's house, you would be a national pedo watch list.

It was learned from the woman’s testimony herself, and she herself avoided saying anything sexual or abusive happened with him.