Israel / Palestine News Thread

[Alex4]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

Thats accurate.  I noticed you left out Iraq but some could argue that too was good in the long run despite some of the reasons behind it turned out to be false.   In the end it was still a rotten regime.  But there were still negative consequences.

Like in Germany after WW1 you had a very bitter Germany that came back ten times worse. 

So to me a foreign takeover, even with good intentions can end up backfiring.  But not always as you point out so it shouldn't be ruled out completely.  There are times when it will be warranted.

The future cannot be fully predicted and the immediate threat at hand still needs to be addressed.

Exactly. My point is that invasion shouldn't be dismissed in all cases, as some users here have suggested. However in most cases, it ends up backfiring. I believe that the invading culture must have a significantly greater cultural difference compared to the invaded, such that the majority of the population prefers to be invaded. 

Edited October 3 by Alex4

[royce]

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2024/10/03/geert-wilders-for-breitbart-why-european-patriots-should-support-israel/

Edited October 3 by royce

[zazen]

3 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

@zazen live by the sword die by the sword.  Maybe Hamas shouldn't have attacked Israel Oct 7.

 

Live by the sword die by the sword? More like live under occupation die under it. Maybe Israel shouldn’t dehumanise, destroy and deny Palestinians their inalienable rights that the West so proudly claim to have architected.

But of course they don’t embody what they preach - Western civilisation is the land of the free and the home of the “do as I say, not as I do” mentality.

 

[PurpleTree]

28 minutes ago, royce said:

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2024/10/03/geert-wilders-for-breitbart-why-european-patriots-should-support-israel/

Nice. Extreme right wingers could go either way though.

 

Sometimes i think they mostly just support Israel because extreme left wingers are supporting Palestinians and such.

Edited October 3 by PurpleTree

[Nivsch]

3 hours ago, hundreth said:

It was blurry which side of the fence Leo was on, but it seems more like he's oscillating between extremes depending on which book he's read most recently. Now he's on his satanic zionists grind. 

This too shall pass 

But Leo attacked Netanyahu and Netanyahu deserves to be critisized, although I would disagree about the content because the nuclear program is just too dangerous.

While this is true that Iran has a right to detter others from invasion to it, but given the size of Israel and therefore its valunerability to an atomic event, Israel will choose the safe side and do its best to prevent Iran from holding such a weapon what is very understandable to me.

Edited October 3 by Nivsch

[Raze]

Quote

Why we support ICC prosecutions for crimes in Israel and Gaza

From Lord Justice Fulford, Judge Theodor Meron CMG, Amal Clooney, Danny Friedman KC, Baroness Helena Kennedy LT KC, Elizabeth Wilmshurst CMG KC

https://www.ft.com/content/aa2089c5-6388-437d-bf5c-9268f3a788ce

[royce]

What really happened on October 1st?

https://x.com/s_yas_1/status/1841597649113514474

Edited October 3 by royce

[hundreth]

4 hours ago, royce said:

If Israel attacks Iran once again, the Iranian response will be swift and devastating, unlike before, where there were delays of a month or two.

The reason for this is that before carrying out the strike yesterday, Iran had prepared a "response to the response" plan, and satellite images revealed that the Revolutionary Guards had already set up their missiles. This led some to mistakenly believe that a second wave of strikes was imminent.

Israel was significantly damaged by yesterday’s strikes, and the evidence for this includes the following:

1. **Noticeable Reduction in Air Strikes and Flights**: There has been a clear reduction in Israeli air force operations. Before the Iranian military strike, Israeli air forces were highly active around the clock. However, this activity has now partially decreased, indicating potential damage to Israel's air force capabilities.

2. **Satellite Imagery of Targeted Airbases is Blurred**: Since this morning, satellite images of the targeted airbases have been unclear. Experts believe this is due to an artificial electronic cloud placed by certain companies over these bases to prevent the extent of the damage from being revealed. Notably, this cloud did not exist a few days ago.

3. **Lowered Morale Among Israeli Soldiers**: The morale of Israeli soldiers has declined, following the drop in morale among their leaders and the Israeli public. The direct result of this has been Israeli soldiers falling into easy ambushes in southern Lebanon—four large ambushes so far. Before the Iranian military strike, the morale of the Israeli army was high, and they had a significant amount of confidence and arrogance, positioning themselves as the strong and assured attacker carefully choosing their targets.

Yesterday and today, Israel lost what it gained last week. This is the nature of battles, meaning that it is possible for the Israelis to regain their strength, but they will not be able to achieve this while facing the readiness and vigilance of the opposing axis.

Iran is ready to respond quickly if Netanyahu decides to take a risk. As mentioned yesterday, the Israeli file is now in the hands of the Revolutionary Guards, not President Bazashkian, who prefers diplomatic solutions.

The commanders of the Revolutionary Guards are angry over the killing of their colleagues and now have an opportunity for retaliation, especially with Israel embroiled in a ground war with Lebanon and Palestine, scattering its forces and exposing them to attacks, as demonstrated by the recent strike on a tank gathering near the Gaza border.

It is not far-fetched for Israel to resort to the Samson Option or act recklessly, whether by assassinating a prominent Iranian commander or bombing nuclear sites. We are facing perhaps the most reckless and arrogant Israeli leadership in its history, and the coming days will reveal more about the nature of this conflict, of which we are living through one of its most significant chapters.

- Sameh Asker

2/10/2024

Lol have fun jerking off to this propaganda. 

Delusional.

[royce]

9 hours ago, Atb210201 said:

Dude I'm living here everyday.

When I say most be sure that most people are like that.

Of course there are still lots of people on the opposite side too

The primary goal of sanctions on the Iranian people is to make life so difficult that they lose sight of their real enemy. The idea is simple: make life hard and conditions miserable so that the people revolt, and repression increases. Despite this, the Iranian people have endured these sanctions from 1979 to 2016, when Obama reached an agreement with the Iranians regarding the nuclear program and decided to release some of their frozen assets in banks. Iran accepted many American conditions, but in 2018, Trump canceled the agreement.

Any Iranian – whether atheist, leftist, nationalist, or Islamist – who thinks strategically understands that Iran's strategy toward the world has been correct and successful, as a reaction to the injustice faced by the Iranian people. Fifty years of sanctions is evidence that the U.S. punishes the Iranian population in healthcare, food, technology, and social sectors. These sanctions target the people, not the leadership.

Does anyone think that if the current regime were to fall, Iran would turn into a country like the Netherlands? Of course not; the world would seek to tear Iran apart, and it could potentially split into several countries, especially considering that its borders are already tense and volatile.

[PurpleTree]

5 minutes ago, royce said:

The primary goal of sanctions on the Iranian people is to make life so difficult that they lose sight of their real enemy.

Their real enemy is backwards Islam.

Morality police, allegedly dictators, people disappearing in prisons since decades

[Atb210201]

13 minutes ago, royce said:

The primary goal of sanctions on the Iranian people is to make life so difficult that they lose sight of their real enemy. The idea is simple: make life hard and conditions miserable so that the people revolt, and repression increases. Despite this, the Iranian people have endured these sanctions from 1979 to 2016, when Obama reached an agreement with the Iranians regarding the nuclear program and decided to release some of their frozen assets in banks. Iran accepted many American conditions, but in 2018, Trump canceled the agreement.

Any Iranian – whether atheist, leftist, nationalist, or Islamist – who thinks strategically understands that Iran's strategy toward the world has been correct and successful, as a reaction to the injustice faced by the Iranian people. Fifty years of sanctions is evidence that the U.S. punishes the Iranian population in healthcare, food, technology, and social sectors. These sanctions target the people, not the leadership.

Does anyone think that if the current regime were to fall, Iran would turn into a country like the Netherlands? Of course not; the world would seek to tear Iran apart, and it could potentially split into several countries, especially considering that its borders are already tense and volatile.

Even if all that you said were absolutely true the regime of Iran isn't making life easier for the people by enforcing Islamic laws which most people don't want.

[PurpleTree]

 

[Leo Gura]

7 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

You guys can cry all you want but it isn't you that sheds tears when entering a Holacaust museum.  If you've even been to one I'd be surprised. 

Enough Holocaust crocodile tears. Has zero relevance to Gaza.

Israel killed 15,000 childen in the last year. Face that without rationalization.

Edited October 3 by Leo Gura

[royce]

9 minutes ago, Atb210201 said:

Even if all that you said were absolutely true the regime of Iran isn't making life easier for the people by enforcing Islamic laws which most people don't want.

The world should engage with Iran and work towards releasing their frozen assets, as this move could lead to significant progress and development. By doing so, society in Iran would naturally advance. At present, anyone who criticizes outdated internal policies is quickly labeled an American agent (which, in some cases, may even be true), fostering a toxic environment. Making a deal with the Americans would open the door to more constructive criticism and dialogue, gradually making it more acceptable to challenge outdated policies.

 

And the last election results make it clear where the people stand—they want a deal. Pezeshkian, the elected official, has made friendly statements towards the Americans, indicating that Iran is open to entering a new phase. However, Pezeshkian has currently handed over the steering wheel to the Revolutionary Guards, who know how to handle gangsters.

[PurpleTree]

Jerusalem 💜

[Spiritual Warfare]

The world should not be involved in helping anyone. The countries that started the war are the ones who should help themselves, and no one else should be involved behind the scenes. We don't owe you anything.

[Raze]

6 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

Dude.. who attacked who here.  

Iran is responding to Israel bombing their capital 

[Spiritual Warfare]

@Inliytened1 I agree with you, my friend. Don’t let anyone twist your facts.

[Nivsch]

4 hours ago, royce said:

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2024/10/03/geert-wilders-for-breitbart-why-european-patriots-should-support-israel/

You don't need to be far right to support Israel in general (not necessarily agree with everything it does). It is enough to be in the center or a moderate Leftist.

[zazen]

Ben Gurion’s words:

“If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?”
David Ben-Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.

“Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves … politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves… The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country. … Behind the terrorism [by the Arabs] is a movement, which though primitive is not devoid of idealism and self sacrifice.”
— David Ben Gurion. Quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky’s Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan’s “Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech.

https://www.progressiveisrael.org/ben-gurions-notorious-quotes-their-polemical-uses-abuses/

From the primary founder of Israel itself, Israel’s version of George Washington. 

Edited October 3 by zazen