Israel / Palestine News Thread

[Nemra]

15 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

When i was in Istanbul i saw so many women with bloody broken noses because of nose jobs (mostly arab i think)

Broken nose is a Caucasian thing. 😁

Edited October 3, 2024 by Nemra

[PurpleTree]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Yeah what country are you in?

I can’t tell you, countries are just a thought 😇

But it’s one of those Sweden, Norway, Switzerland, Denmark, Netherlands, Austria

[PurpleTree]

19 minutes ago, Nemra said:

Broken nose is a Caucasian thing. 😁

Why? 🤔 

[Inliytened1]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Is there any doubt that Netanyahu has a 300-page covert plan in his desk to goad Iran into a war and then cry self-defense?

He jerks off to that plan every night, floating in a bathtub full of matzah balls, wearing a shtreimel.

Dude.. who attacked who here.  Iran backed the attack on Israel.  Just live with the fact that Israel can now stand up for itself and has a superpower behind it.  You guys can cry all you want but it isn't you that sheds tears when entering a Holacaust museum.  If you've even been to one I'd be surprised. 

[PurpleTree]

17 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Dude.. who attacked who here.  Iran backed the attack on Israel.  Just live with the fact that Israel can now stand up for itself and has a superpower behind it.  You guys can cry all you want but it isn't you that sheds tears when entering a Holacaust museum.  If you've even been to one I'd be surprised. 

That’s seemingly going to drag the US and maybe England etc. into a war though. Because Israel is already fighting on a few fronts and Iran is another animal.

[Alex4]

I believe that if the ground is fertile, as @Atb210201 mentioned—meaning a big percentage of the population is favorable to foreign intervention—then it could be successful. Didn't the Americans, Russians, and other Europeans enter Germany at World War II? Yes, and to this day, no German has opposed that foreign intervention.

The same with the Romans when they entered Gaul. A few years of uprisings followed, but in the long term, they adopted Roman culture and progressed to stage red.

There are rotten regimes where the society is so frightened that it only takes a little stirring of the hornet's nest for them to collapse.

In any case, I recognise that very favorable conditions must be in place for a foreign invasion to succeed in the long run.

 

[Starlight321]

4 hours ago, Atb210201 said:

Yes but right now they are not thinking like that.

Right now all they think about is how to get rid of this Islamic regime.

Whoever says these kinds of stuff to them they will just say anything is better than this.

And Persians are not that much of Muslims anymore maybe in the past we were much more of a Muslim country but after the Islamic Republic regime it has changed drastically for most of the people.

Lot of them even say we want zoroastrianism back and because Muslims have evaded our land Persia in the past and they were arabs and we were persians and they forced Islam on us we don't want Islam anymore we have our own rich culture and religion.

That's at least what lots and lots of people say.

These liberals I'm talking about don't even give a damn about Palestinians anymore either; whatever happens to them they say is not our concern we want our own nation to become secular and thrive.

And keep in mind these are most of the Iranians and the people in Iran right now.

1) The regime might be very unpopular but the truth is that most alternatives if not all are worse for the iranians. It's like in egypt in 2011 or libya and at this developement level it is too hard to keep a country with this geography and diversity together. Every border province that's right now united in opposition to the regime would start to seperate and bad faith actors from the outside would try to take advantage of it.

2) If we would give you a liberal democracy you people would be outraged over the from their pov perceived sexualisation and disrespect for cultural norms. Also unrestricted capitalism would pillage your country and make living more expensive because in your country it would lead to olligarchy like structures and a exploitative transfer of wealth and your huge oil reserves probably wouldn't be of help because the country is too big and the opec would try to restrict the oil production to keep the balance and it is also likely that the big share of it would end up in someones pocket due to corruption

[Nemra]

47 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Why? 🤔 

It could be related to the climate.

[hundreth]

35 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Dude.. who attacked who here.  Iran backed the attack on Israel.  Just live with the fact that Israel can now stand up for itself and has a superpower behind it.  You guys can cry all you want but it isn't you that sheds tears when entering a Holacaust museum.  If you've even been to one I'd be surprised. 

It was blurry which side of the fence Leo was on, but it seems more like he's oscillating between extremes depending on which book he's read most recently. Now he's on his satanic zionists grind. 

This too shall pass 

[PurpleTree]

3 minutes ago, Nemra said:

It could be related to the climate.

I’m confused 

who do you mean with caucasian? Because in the US it’s just a synonym for white people.

[Atb210201]

19 minutes ago, Alex4 said:

I believe that if the ground is fertile, as @Atb210201 mentioned—meaning a big percentage of the population is favorable to foreign intervention—then it could be successful. Didn't the Americans, Russians, and other Europeans enter Germany at World War II? Yes, and to this day, no German has opposed that foreign intervention.

The same with the Romans when they entered Gaul. A few years of uprisings followed, but in the long term, they adopted Roman culture and progressed to stage red.

There are rotten regimes where the society is so frightened that it only takes a little stirring of the hornet's nest for them to collapse.

In any case, I recognise that very favorable conditions must be in place for a foreign invasion to succeed in the long run.

 

It might be successful.

But then again it might not be successful which is more likely at least I think.

Fundamentalists are just way too much in Iran still and it has even broadened it's ideology outside of it's borders to other Islamic countries as well.

Iran now has supporters all over the world as a good enemy of the west whoever is against the western world is an ally of Iran it's a huge audience.

Edited October 3, 2024 by Atb210201

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, hundreth said:

It was blurry which side of the fence Leo was on, but it seems more like he's oscillating between extremes depending on which book he's read most recently. Now he's on his satanic zionists grind. 

This too shall pass 

Haha.

@PurpleTree i hope it doesn't come to that but it is what it is 

[Atb210201]

34 minutes ago, Starlight321 said:

1) The regime might be very unpopular but the truth is that most alternatives if not all are worse for the iranians. It's like in egypt in 2011 or libya and at this developement level it is too hard to keep a country with this geography and diversity together. Every border province that's right now united in opposition to the regime would start to seperate and bad faith actors from the outside would try to take advantage of it.

2) If we would give you a liberal democracy you people would be outraged over the from their pov perceived sexualisation and disrespect for cultural norms. Also unrestricted capitalism would pillage your country and make living more expensive because in your country it would lead to olligarchy like structures and a exploitative transfer of wealth and your huge oil reserves probably wouldn't be of help because the country is too big and the opec would try to restrict the oil production to keep the balance and it is also likely that the big share of it would end up in someones pocket due to corruption

I'm not pro regime change anymore myself I do think that it's good for now as it is let it be there.

But people are not that tolerant and content as me though.

Sooner or later there may come another revolutionary Uprising if the situations were appropriate enough.

I don't know we'll just have to wait and see.

Edited October 3, 2024 by Atb210201

[Nemra]

@hundreth, if you judge Leo based on a one-dimensional axis, then of course he will shift from one side to the other.

[Nemra]

44 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

I’m confused 

who do you mean with caucasian? Because in the US it’s just a synonym for white people.

Caucasians, the people from the Caucasus.

The real ones! 😋

Edited October 3, 2024 by Nemra

[Stovo]

5 hours ago, Atb210201 said:

Yes but right now they are not thinking like that.

Right now all they think about is how to get rid of this Islamic regime.

Whoever says these kinds of stuff to them they will just say anything is better than this.

And Persians are not that much of Muslims anymore maybe in the past we were much more of a Muslim country but after the Islamic Republic regime it has changed drastically for most of the people.

Lot of them even say we want zoroastrianism back and because Muslims have evaded our land Persia in the past and they were arabs and we were persians and they forced Islam on us we don't want Islam anymore we have our own rich culture and religion.

That's at least what lots and lots of people say.

These liberals I'm talking about don't even give a damn about Palestinians anymore either; whatever happens to them they say is not our concern we want our own nation to become secular and thrive.

And keep in mind these are most of the Iranians and the people in Iran right now.

Western liberals act the same way but when Russia invaded Ukraine they all suddenly pulled out their Ukrainian flags and overwhelmingly supported military aid to Ukraine. 

[hundreth]

22 minutes ago, Nemra said:

@hundreth, if you judge Leo based on a one-dimensional axis, then of course he will shift from one side to the other.

Good thing you're so multi dimensional.

[Atb210201]

9 minutes ago, Stovo said:

Western liberals act the same way but when Russia invaded Ukraine they all suddenly pulled out their Ukrainian flags and overwhelmingly supported military aid to Ukraine. 

Well, Western government is mostly liberal in it's approach so that would make sense that liberals would support their liberal government there and who they back.

Edited October 3, 2024 by Atb210201

[PurpleTree]

41 minutes ago, Alex4 said:

I believe that if the ground is fertile, as @Atb210201 mentioned—meaning a big percentage of the population is favorable to foreign intervention—then it could be successful. Didn't the Americans, Russians, and other Europeans enter Germany at World War II? Yes, and to this day, no German has opposed that foreign intervention.

The same with the Romans when they entered Gaul. A few years of uprisings followed, but in the long term, they adopted Roman culture and progressed to stage red.

There are rotten regimes where the society is so frightened that it only takes a little stirring of the hornet's nest for them to collapse.

In any case, I recognise that very favorable conditions must be in place for a foreign invasion to succeed in the long run.

 

Germany had a lot of the workd as enemies.

Germanys military was already overextended and decimated in other countries like Russia. And then more than 2 Million german civilians were killed etc. 
 

I don’t think most countries/armies in this say and age are willing to kill so many people.

[Nemra]

7 minutes ago, hundreth said:

Good thing you're so multi dimensional.

Thanks for the acknowledgment.