Israel / Palestine News Thread

[Atb210201]

Just now, Spiritual Warfare said:

You need to come to Scandinavia; they will take care of you! You don’t need a job, the government will provide you with enough money for an apartment, food, and clothing.

 

Wow those seem tempting I'm not gonna lie.

How is the government doing that though?

I'm curious to know if you know.

[Atb210201]

1 minute ago, PurpleTree said:

I don’t think so. It’s still capitalism, innovation etc. Social capitalism or whatever you want to call it.

Still great though it is good in my opinion who needs the highest of highs when on average most people can live great and good and be content with it?

[Spiritual Warfare]

Just now, Atb210201 said:

Wow those seem tempting I'm not gonna lie.

How is the government doing that though?

I'm curious to know if you know.

Financial support can help immigrants integrate into society. It provides them with the time and resources to learn the language, pursue education, or search for jobs without the immediate worry of financial hardship.

When immigrants are given the opportunity to establish themselves and contribute, they can become active members of society and the workforce, which can benefit the economy in the long run.

 

 

 

 

[PurpleTree]

2 minutes ago, Atb210201 said:

Still great though it is good in my opinion who needs the highest of highs when on average most people can live great and good and be content with it?

I agree although many people still are not content because of high taxes etc.

But i’d rather live in the middle than the highs and lows of the US with many homeless, Skid Row, people losing their houses, having to live in cars etc. 

[Atb210201]

8 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

Financial support can help immigrants integrate into society. It provides them with the time and resources to learn the language, pursue education, or search for jobs without the immediate worry of financial hardship.

When immigrants are given the opportunity to establish themselves and contribute, they can become active members of society and the workforce, which can benefit the economy in the long run.

 

 

 

 

So they are basically actively looking for immigrants and give them opportunities to live well as well.

That's great shows the country is capable and not full.

[Atb210201]

9 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

I agree although many people still are not content because of high taxes etc.

But i’d rather live in the middle than the highs and lows of the US with many homeless, Skid Row, people losing their houses, having to live in cars etc. 

Yes indeed...

[Inliytened1]

1 hour ago, Atb210201 said:

They want more freedom like the west.

Basically they just want their lives to be like western people.

Liberalism is what people want but Islam won't allow for that very much it has it's own strict and defined sharia laws.

Islam is basically against the modern world in essence based on the sharia law.

It says the west is so drowned in materialism and is falling deeper and deeper away from God and spirituality.

As the regime in Iran is also in the hands of the so called elite spiritual leaders of the Islamic world so this is the case and the west and Iran are the opposite of each other you could say.

Most of the people want western people's lifestyles and Muslim people don't want that and are against that and say it is so materialistic and shallow and their liberalism and freedom is all a house of cards and the true freedom and liberty is the freedom and Liberation from nafs or ego. This is basically the entire philosophy of islam not desiring materialistic goals and desiring for good deeds and Liberation from ego and going to heaven for the hereafter.

But also people feel like they have been taken hostage by the regime's ideologies and can't have their liberalism and freedom in the way they wish to live and they also see western movies and with the internet so they wish that kind of lifestyle which is fair.

Islam's laws are for the community and all society and do not think religion is for the individual they do think that but also they think there are some laws for the whole society to follow.

So that's also the internal war within the country with people from two sides against each other although it divides into some sub sides as well.

Interesting.  You elaborated splendidly   I think from one aspect it is good but enforcing a particular religion or belief is problematic for reasons i won't go into here.  So right there this is a problem   Yet the purpose from which it sources seems to be of good intent and  high wisdom.  But ultimately i think the current regime fails to strike a natural balance between the individuals needs (capitalism) and the society's needs (socialism) and uses religion as a mechanism to control.   So while it's purpose might be pure it doesn't realize that it forces it's people into a partlicular belief but not only that it uses it as a building structure for it's government which is altogether wrong.   So no i would say the US isn't worse.  The problem with the US it sees too far to the capitalist side and fails to rein the ego in which ultimately leads to corruption and chaos.

There's plenty of room for free thought and developing one's own wealth but the problem is this ultimately comes with a cost.  The ego is allowed to run wild and infringe on others just the same as the Iranian government infringes on others with its forced approach to Islam.

 

Edited Wednesday at 11:54 PM by Inliytened1

[Atb210201]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

Interesting.  You elaborated splendidly   I think from one aspect it is good but enforcing a particular religion or belief is problematic for reasons i won't go into here.  So right there this is a problem   Yet the purpose from which it sources seems to be of good intent and  high wisdom.  But ultimately i think the current regime fails to strike a natural balance between the individuals needs (capitalism) and the society's needs (socialism) and uses religion as a mechanism to control.   So while it's purpose might be pure it doesn't realize that it forces it's people into a partlicular belief but not only that it uses it as a building structure for it's government which is altogether wrong.   So no i would say the US isn't worse.  The problem with the US it sees  too far to the capitalist side and fails to reign the ego in which ultimately leads to corruption and chaos.

 

Exactly and the regime in Iran also sees too far to the socialistic or religious side that it fails to give individual freedoms to individuals and also capitalism.

It also has led to corruption here as much as they talk against it though.

There is even a literal text in The Quran that says there is no enforcement in being religious meaning you don't have to be religious you have to choose to be religious if you find it to be the truth but it has not been given that much attention here.

So I guess in a sense Iran and the US are total opposites but then again in some sense they are very similar to each other as well.

Edited Thursday at 12:59 AM by Atb210201

[royce]

3 hours ago, Atb210201 said:

the people have just became crazy nowadays in Iran they just want whatever and anything but this regime

The people are exhausted due to the U.S. imposing sanctions for 50 years to fuel internal tensions.

[Raze]

 

Edited Thursday at 12:28 AM by Raze

[Atb210201]

27 minutes ago, royce said:

The people are exhausted due to the U.S. imposing sanctions for 50 years to fuel internal tensions.

But it certainly isn't framed that way for most of the people in Iran it is the regime's fault not the US.

But there are some people who support the regime who think it's all US's fault.

[Inliytened1]

15 minutes ago, Atb210201 said:

But it certainly isn't framed that way for most of the people in Iran it is the regime's fault not the US.

 

That's because you are the people, not him.  So you would know personally.   As opposed to him who isn't the people.   Who reads stuff off the internet. 

Edited Thursday at 01:04 AM by Inliytened1

[Atb210201]

16 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

That's because you are the people, not him.  So you would know personally.   As opposed to him who isn't the people.   Who reads stuff off the internet. 

Yes in this case I can say I do know better.

[royce]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

That's because you are the people, not him.  So you would know personally.   As opposed to him who isn't the people.   Who reads stuff off the internet. 

haha calma calma , what made you so angry ? 

 

Edited Thursday at 02:38 AM by royce

[royce]

1 hour ago, Atb210201 said:

Yes in this case I can say I do know better.

don't be so sure bro

[Inliytened1]

13 minutes ago, royce said:

haha calma calma , what made you so angry ? 

 

What makes you think I was angry?  

[royce]

 

[Inliytened1]

5 minutes ago, royce said:

 

Oh God man will you stop crying about the US already....it's getting so tiresome.

Stop hating the player and hate the game

 

Edited Thursday at 02:55 AM by Inliytened1

[royce]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Oh God man will you stop crying about the US already....it's getting so tiresome.

yes you angry 

[Inliytened1]

Just now, royce said:

yes you angry 

Proper English please. The US enforces sanctions on those that cannot use proper grammar.