Israel / Palestine News Thread

[Atb210201]

Good thing is actualized.org is not still filtered in Iran so it's easy for me to access this site wherever I am.

I feel good when I can access this site as easily as I can it feels like home.

Because most of the international Internet is filtered here although we still use vpns and we can access everything like that but actualized.org is still easily accessed for now; Leo I think the regime in Iran likes you too hehe

Edited October 2 by Atb210201

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, Atb210201 said:

they want Israel to do it for them

No one is going to fix your country for you. If you can't fix it yourselves then it will stay broken.

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[Atb210201]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

No one is going to fix your country for you. If you can't fix it yourselves then it will stay broken.

Well tell that to Iranian people Leo I gave up talking politics in my own country anymore.

No one listens because they just listen to their hatred towards the regime.

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[Inliytened1]

3 minutes ago, Atb210201 said:

Good thing is actualized.org is not still filtered in Iran so it's easy for me to access this site wherever I am.

Because most of the international Internet is filtered here although we still use vpns and we can access everything like that but actualized.org is still easily accessed for now; Leo I think the regime in Iran likes you too hehe

Are you kidding they love him heheh. 

But seriously I think that's a long way away.   Israel didn't attack Iran, Iran attacked Israel so let's not jump the gun.  

If it became a wider struggle i think the move of removing the current regime would be more of an endgame than an up front strategy like it was with Iraq.

Edited October 2 by Inliytened1

[Atb210201]

4 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Maybe it’s just your bubble and not most people. I know a few years ago there was an uprising/protests because of violence against women, hijabs, womens rights, oppression etc. sad stuff i was hopeful.

Yes the woman life freedom Uprising.

I was also shouting in the metros death to dictator.

It was really revolutionary vibes.

After that the regime now became adapted with the situations about women's dressings and hijab and are more tolerant towards woman not wearing proper hijabs but still they sometimes do take some woman in vans because of not appropriate hijab.

[Nivsch]

2 minutes ago, Atb210201 said:

they sometimes do take some woman in vans because of not appropriate hijab

What happens to those women in these cases usually?

[Leo Gura]

10 minutes ago, Atb210201 said:

Well tell that to Iranian people Leo

There is no monolith of Iranian people. They are many factions which will break out into civil war if you try to do a coup.

Iran is a deeply Islamic place. People there will not abandon Islam, they will double-down on it. Nor will they tolerate a secular Zionist puppet government.

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[Atb210201]

7 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Are you kidding they love him heheh. 

But seriously I think that's a long way away.   Israel didn't attack Iran, Iran attacked Israel so let's not jump the gun.  

If it became a wider struggle i think the move of removing the current regime would be more of an endgame than an up front strategy like it was with Iraq.

Haha I saw what you did there.

I myself don't care about the regime being changed or not though most of the people do and think it is in the way to their dreams and wishes.

I don't because I don't have those personal wishes anymore I just want to be of help to others and spread love till I'm alive and that's it.

[Atb210201]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

There is no monolith of Iranian people. They are many factions which will break out into civil war if you try to do a coup.

Iran is a deeply Islamic place. People there will not abandon Islam, they will double-down on it. Nor will they tolerate a secular Zionist puppet government.

Yeah that's what I also think.

As much as most of the people here are against Islam and religion mostly the new generation but there are still lots of people and the older generations who are Muslims and can't be changed.

[Inliytened1]

18 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

No one is going to fix your country for you. If you can't fix it yourselves then it will stay broken.

That's really not fair because it is a very limited democracy there with strong authoritarian qualities.  It really is a dictatorship masked as a democracy.   So to say to the civilians fix their country is laughable when you have a rigged system.

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[Atb210201]

4 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

What happens to those women in these cases usually?

Sometimes there comes out clips of violent behaviour of the police like slap in the face is one of them that I saw.

But mostly I don't think it's like that though and I think they take them to the police station and make them vow to wear better hijabs and let them go.

But I don't really know though I'm mostly just guessing at this point.

[Spiritual Warfare]

For goodness' sake, these countries have chosen this path to conflict. Why do people from the Middle East say, 'Oh no, we need peace,' when they have no peace to offer? The problem is that the majority has a barbaric mindset. This is why my country doesn’t support or care about Israel, Palestine, or any country in the Middle East. In my country, we want to wake up, grab a coffee, say nice things, and help each other, even though we are godless people. Ironically, it is the godless people who are progressing positively, while those who believe in God are not. I think this thread should be locked.

[PurpleTree]

3 minutes ago, Atb210201 said:

Yeah that's what I also think.

As much as most of the people here are against Islam and religion mostly the new generation but there are still lots of people and the older generations who are Muslims and can't be changed.

Could also end like in Syria with Islamists from other countries coming to Iran to fight. Other countries like Russia, China, US, Israel etc fighting proxy wars in Iran supporting different factions.

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

That's really not fair because it is a very limited democracy there with strong authoritarian qualities.  It really is a dictatorship masked as a democracy.   So to say to the civilians fix their country is laughable when you have a rigged system.

There's not a democracy because they are not developed enough to sustain one. You are not going to shove democracy down an Islamist's throat. Please stop with such fantasies.

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[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

There's not a democracy because they are not developed enough to sustain one. You are not going to shove democracy down an Islamist's throat. Please stop with such fantasies.

Correct that's why I said it's not fair to tell him to fix his country.  What via coup?  Come on.

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

Correct that's why I said it's not fair to tell him to fix his country.  What via coup?  Come on.

I'm not calling for any coups.

Not only it is fair, it's the only way a country can be fixed.

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[Nivsch]

@Spiritual Warfare Read a bit about Israeli society. Most of whom aren't different then yours.

[hundreth]

3 hours ago, Raze said:

They don’t have a majority, the majority are Palestinians, but most Palestinians are kept without rights and no input over the government that controls their lives and brutalizes them daily. 

If you combine all the territories including west bank, gaza, and mainland israel it is close but Jews still eek out a majority now @ 7 million.

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it’s completely rational, Iran is an obstacle to Israel completing ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, so they lobby the US to put Iran in a situation to provoke it into a regional war to try and decimate its population and remove its ability to resist 

Decimate who's population? Iran's? Not sure I get this rational plan.

I mean I think the most reasonable interpretation is that they want to install new leadership in Iran which will be less likely to nuke or attack Israel. But then, we know what regime change entails. We've seen it play out too many times. 

I think Iran will eventually have nukes, and there is a chance they would actually use them. If they did, it would be catastrophic for everyone. 

Israel has many looming issues in the next 50 years. Iran and their pending nuclear capabilities, and more importantly the next generations of youth completely against them. This will eventually lead to the weakening of their military capabilities. What will the landscape look like then? I don't know. The Palestinians are also screwed. They've both dragged each other down. 

[PurpleTree]

2 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

@Spiritual Warfare Read a bit about Israeli society. Most of whom aren't different then yours.

Yea i’ve been to Israel.

Without the religious nuts it’s very European or Western. Lots of hostels, parties and such. But religious nuts and tensions between groups (secular, religious, jews, arabs) make a big part of the country.

[Atb210201]

7 minutes ago, hundreth said:

I think Iran will eventually have nukes, and there is a chance they would actually use them. If they did, it would be catastrophic for everyone.

Iran won't use nukes even if it had nukes.

I strongly believe that they are not that radical.

Their islam won't ever allow them to use nukes ever.

Unless their rules of war change which is not likely.

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