Israel / Palestine News Thread

[PurpleTree]

3 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

Jews lived here for Millenia and than deportated to an another Millenia and a half.

Christians lived there for Millennia too and originated there. They could also claim it.

[Lyubov]

6 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

Jews lived here for Millenia and than deportated to an another Millenia and a half.

Jews were a minority there for hundreds upon hundreds of years. You have more in common genetically with Eastern Europeans than the Jews that lived in Palestine. You have a fairytale from the Torah called the kingdom of Israel and it existed in 1000 BCE. Just because you kinda sorta have some folks who share your religion living as a minority there doesn’t mean you can invite everyone from Europe over to displace the locals who have lived there for hundreds of years and build a make believe country. 

Edited October 2 by Lyubov

[Raze]

Removing Jews from Israel now would be the same as when they removed Palestinians, it’s just wrong to evict people based on race. 

[Lyubov]

I’m sorry it was longer ago than 800 years ago. Jews haven’t actually ruled that land since BCE. It’s been contested and been through all sorts of conquests since and it’s the most ridiculous fairytale to claim that somehow it’s your land. The people there have twisted the most ridiculous story and they really have convinced half the world that they were natives there. Not even close by any measure of the standard that we use to define ethnic groups and natives to lands. 

[PurpleTree]

5 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

 doesn’t mean you can 

Well they did though.

 

[Lyubov]

Just now, PurpleTree said:

Well they did though.

 

And thus we have forever wars now there

[Nivsch]

14 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

Jews were a minority there for hundreds upon hundreds of years. You have more in common genetically with Eastern Europeans than the Jews that lived in Palestine. You have a fairytale from the Torah called the kingdom of Israel and it existed in 1000 BCE. Just because you kinda sorta have some folks who share your religion living as a minority there doesn’t mean you can invite everyone from Europe over to displace the locals who have lived there for hundreds of years and build a make believe country. 

Jews were majority for many centuries before became minority.

Edited October 2 by Nivsch

[Lyubov]

2 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

This is wrong. They were majority for many centuries before became minority.

The last time Jews had any majority in that region was before the Roman Empire. That’s literally how ridiculous your fairytale is for the existence of your country. 

[hundreth]

23 minutes ago, Raze said:

It’s only a matter of time because both Israel and the US are constantly threatening them. Iran has offered to remove their ability to make nukes multiple times and been rebuffed. It’s insane to frame Iran as crazy when everyone can see what the US does to countries that don’t have nukes like Iraq or Libya. 

Two things can be true at once. Iran is crazy and the west's strategy might not be rational. 

[zazen]

Yeah, thinking that Israel is no longer going to exist is just as dangerous, delusion and unethical from the present moment of today as is the version of Zionism that dehumanises, denies and destroys Palestinian life and statehood.

It’s pretty disgusting seeing some of the comments from more pro-Palestinian social media of how Iran shouldn’t have stopped last night and go for another round etc. Revelling in revenge.

[Nivsch]

10 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

The last time Jews had any majority in that region was before the Roman Empire. That’s literally how ridiculous your fairytale is for the existence of your country. 

The fact you respond so cynically only strenghtening my point. You overlook half of the equation. I can also say that most of the Palesinians who live here are offsprings of work immigrants who came here only decades before Israel, but I choose to not dismiss the Palestinians roots here.

Edited October 2 by Nivsch

[hundreth]

11 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

The last time Jews had any majority in that region was before the Roman Empire. That’s literally how ridiculous your fairytale is for the existence of your country. 

 

The last time Jews had a majority in that region is now. It's not a fairytale if it's real.

Now we have to live with that reality and find the best path forward instead of continuously litigating the past.

[Lyubov]

32 minutes ago, Raze said:

It’s only a matter of time because both Israel and the US are constantly threatening them. Iran has offered to remove their ability to make nukes multiple times and been rebuffed. It’s insane to frame Iran as crazy when everyone can see what the US does to countries that don’t have nukes like Iraq or Libya. 

I’m not validating your fairytale lies. It is unequivocally false that Israel existed before the 1940s and was created off a fairytale and out of pity due to WWII. Truman signed it into existence cause he wanted a strategic outpost for the USA in the Middle East and he felt bad about what happened to the Jews during WWII. It was Ottoman Empire Muslim territory which had Arab natives living there as a majority since after the Roman Empire for over a thousand years ago. The people you base your fairytale on are not remotely close to or would be understood as the people who live in Israel today (Europeans). The only reason I believe your country should stay is because it would be wrong to move Israel citizens. But it’s time your country to recognize you are thieves, all settlements must be disbanded. And Israel needs to be brought to the peace table by cutting defense funding for the country. Any territory not deemed crucially strategic to Israel survival must be returned. 

[Lyubov]

14 minutes ago, hundreth said:

 

The last time Jews had a majority in that region is now. It's not a fairytale if it's real.

Now we have to live with that reality and find the best path forward instead of continuously litigating the past.

This is true. Jews now have a majority there. Through stolen land and colonialism. What to do about it? I have no clue. 

[Lyubov]

16 minutes ago, hundreth said:

 

The last time Jews had a majority in that region is now. It's not a fairytale if it's real.

Now we have to live with that reality and find the best path forward instead of continuously litigating the past.

I do agree we shouldn’t keep digging into the past but the entire existence of Israel is based on a fairytale about some promised land from the past. It would be one thing if Israel recognized the majority of their land is stolen and that could open up a dialogue to address the present issue. But Israel actively justifies and spins a fairytale to actively justify they stole almost their entire country. How can you ever forge an agreement with such liars? It’s not possible to make agreement with liars. 

[PurpleTree]

4 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

I do agree we shouldn’t keep digging into the past but the entire existence of Israel is based on a fairytale about some promised land from the past. It would be one thing if Israel recognized the majority of their land is stolen and that could open up a dialogue to address the present issue. But Israel actively justifies and spins a fairytale to actively justify they stole almost their entire country. How can you ever forge an agreement with such liars? It’s not possible to make agreement with liars. 

Can you really steal land though?

[Raze]

28 minutes ago, hundreth said:

The last time Jews had a majority in that region is now. It's not a fairytale if it's real.

Now we have to live with that reality and find the best path forward instead of continuously litigating the past.

They don’t have a majority, the majority are Palestinians, but most Palestinians are kept without rights and no input over the government that controls their lives and brutalizes them daily. 

34 minutes ago, hundreth said:

Two things can be true at once. Iran is crazy and the west's strategy might not be rational. 

it’s completely rational, Iran is an obstacle to Israel completing ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, so they lobby the US to put Iran in a situation to provoke it into a regional war to try and decimate its population and remove its ability to resist 

Edited October 2 by Raze

[Raze]

39 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

The fact you respond so cynically only strenghtening my point. You overlook half of the equation. I can also say that most of the Palesinians who live here are offsprings of work immigrants who came here only decades before Israel, but I choose to not dismiss the Palestinians roots here.

This is from the book “From Time Immemorial” and has been completely debunked.

 

[Inliytened1]

On 9/30/2024 at 11:09 PM, Leo Gura said:

Netanyahu isn't wrong, Iran would be better off without radical Islamists rulers. But there is no way of removing Islamism from Iran by force. Attempting to do so will only impower the radicals. And it is not for Netanyahu to decide who should rule Iran, as if Iran can decide who should rule Israel.

Well thats the question, can they?

 

[Lyubov]

48 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Can you really steal land though?

Why don’t we have some armed militants come to where you and your family lived for 100s of years, kick you out, and then you can tell us?

Edited October 2 by Lyubov