Israel / Palestine News Thread

[Raze]

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What I’ve noticed about the Israel-Palestine conflict is, the more someone learns about it, the more sympathy they develop for the other side’s position. Over the years, I’ve gotten countless emails from diaspora Jews and Israelis who told me my podcast helped them understand the Palestinians better. One was from an active duty IDF soldier who told me it affected the way he interacted w/Palestinians on duty. That really happened, and it was maybe the best email I ever got. I’ve also gotten many emails from people around the world, including Turks, Persians, and Arabs in just about every Mid East country, as well as other people around the world who had a one-sided hostile attitude toward Israel, who told me the series made them more sympathetic to the Jews’ situation before the founding of Israel, and the desperation for a home that drove them. This happens to everybody who v approaches the topic w/an open mind. Pro-Israel people become more sympathetic to Palestinians, pro-Palestine people become more sympathetic to Israel and the Jews. It’s the natural response when you’ve been fed one-sided conflict propaganda all your life. But there are extremists and partisans on both sides who never change, who are filled w/hatred and want everyone else to feel that way, too. These people do not want others to learn more about the situation, because they don’t want them to moderate their position toward the other side. They get really nasty w/anyone who tries to encourage understanding and moderation. But I know too many Israelis and Palestinians personally, and that they’re good people, not devils or animals, to view either side as a homogenous cartoonish evil. I got this email from someone the other day. He deserves a ton of credit for listening to all 25+ hours of my podcast series despite being angry at me for my position on the current conflict.

 

[Nivsch]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

This is the land they regard as given to them by God:

Do you really think they are going to surrender land given to them by God? Just because some UN guy told them to?

Kind of crazy aspiration.

I have never heard myself about an Israeli who wants that but no doubt there are some in the far right edge.

Edited September 30 by Nivsch

[Davino]

Make Spain Great Again!

1790 what good old times

 

Make the British Empire Great Again!

1915 what good old times

 

Make Mongolia Great Again

A great part of humanity is descendant of Mongols just because of this. I imagine a nationalist movement in Mongolia right now trying to get back their empire to its former Glory

 

[Davino]

2 hours ago, Nivsch said:

I have never heard myself about an Israeli who wants that but no doubt there are some in the far right edge.

Some days ago I saw a video of a very renowned old speech on the matter by a religious leader. I've been searching it but can't find it. I was quite impressed by it, the rethoric was sublime and he was naming cities of the ancient glory of the tribes of Israel

[zazen]

 

 

[Leo Gura]

36 minutes ago, zazen said:

 

 

This dude better shut up or he's getting his land stolen 

Edited September 30 by Leo Gura

[Nivsch]

@Davino On Mongolia you didn't say what good old times

[PurpleTree]

10 hours ago, aurum said:

“Fire”?

You are talking about taking huge chunks of territory from six sovereign nations, one of which is a significant partner with the US (Saudi Arabia). It’s basically a plan for endless war.

I don’t think it’s possible, Israel has a very limited population.

Also I care as much about Saudi Arabia as they care about human rights, womens rights etc.

 

[Nemra]

Make my country great again, more like I loved when my country had a huge territory.

[Raze]

 

[Nemra]

I wonder if nationalists understand that "nation" is a western invention.

Edited September 30 by Nemra

[royce]

10 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

This dude better shut up or he's getting his land stolen 

The Israeli plan for Jordan involves relocating Palestinians from the West Bank to Jordan, a concept known as the "alternative homeland." Jordan already hosts around 3 million Palestinians displaced from Palestine and heavily depends on U.S. grants and aid. The country has a joint defense agreement with the United States and relies entirely on Israel for its water and gas supply. The Israel-Jordan border stretches 350 km. The King of Jordan understands that if this plan is implemented, his rule may be at risk, as the Palestinian population would outnumber Jordanians, threatening his reliance on support from Jordanian tribes—a crucial pillar of his authority. However, the execution of this plan is expected to follow the elimination of the "axis of resistance" in Lebanon, Iraq, and Syria, which is considered the strongest front was Hezbollah.

[Basman]

22 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

This is the land they regard as given to them by God:

Do you really think they are going to surrender land given to them by God? Just because some UN guy told them to?

SD Stage Blue is such a self-biased stage while being completely oblivious how self-biased they are. Like, how convenient that god bestowed you all this land that happens to run along all of this profitable coast line.

[Karmadhi]

UN says 66 percent of Gaza buildings damaged since October 7

The UN Satellite Centre (UNOSAT) says very high-resolution imagery collected on September 3 and 6 showed two-thirds of the total structures in the Gaza Strip were damaged.

“Those 66 percent of damaged buildings in the Gaza Strip account for 163,778 structures in total,” it said.

The last assessment, based on images from early July, determined that 63 percent of structures in the Palestinian territory had been damaged.

The damage now included “52,564 structures that have been destroyed; 18,913 severely damaged; 35,591 possibly damaged structures; and 56,710 moderately affected”, UNOSAT revealed.

Gaza City has been notably affected, with 36,611 structures destroyed, it added.

This is WW2 level destruction here.

Are you proud Israel for this?

[Starlight321]

It is projected that the israeli population will at least double until the mid of this century with ultra orthodox making up a third of the population which will strengthen the demographics supporting more territorial claims.

[Raze]

16 minutes ago, Starlight321 said:

It is projected that the israeli population will at least double until the mid of this century with ultra orthodox making up a third of the population which will strengthen the demographics supporting more territorial claims.

A big portion of that would be secular or haredi Israelis who aren’t interested in expanding borders.

[Heaven]

21 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Hitler radicalized himself against Jews when he was a young homeless man in Vienna. Hilter consumed virulent anti-Jew newspapers and literature. Hitler was looking for someone to blame for his misery and the downfall and humiliation of Germany post WWI.

Sounds like many Islamic states these days.

[Heaven]

1 hour ago, Karmadhi said:

UN says 66 percent of Gaza buildings damaged since October 7

The UN Satellite Centre (UNOSAT) says very high-resolution imagery collected on September 3 and 6 showed two-thirds of the total structures in the Gaza Strip were damaged.

“Those 66 percent of damaged buildings in the Gaza Strip account for 163,778 structures in total,” it said.

The last assessment, based on images from early July, determined that 63 percent of structures in the Palestinian territory had been damaged.

The damage now included “52,564 structures that have been destroyed; 18,913 severely damaged; 35,591 possibly damaged structures; and 56,710 moderately affected”, UNOSAT revealed.

Gaza City has been notably affected, with 36,611 structures destroyed, it added.

This is WW2 level destruction here.

Are you proud Israel for this?

Nothing to be proud of, though I am extremely optimistic about Gaza’s future. Israel already has discussions about the rehabilitation of Gaza with other countries. It’s a destruction of the bad to build a better future.🙏🏻

Although, you can’t deny how impressive the bippers attack was

[Heaven]

57 minutes ago, Starlight321 said:

It is projected that the israeli population will at least double until the mid of this century with ultra orthodox making up a third of the population which will strengthen the demographics supporting more territorial claims.

Nah, that’s a conspiracy. 

[PurpleTree]

It‘s wild though because basically Russia is with Iran (and China)

and Russia is in a war with Ukraine (with NATO weapons)

and Iran is basically in a war too with Israel through proxies like Houthis and Hezbollah