Israel / Palestine News Thread

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Raze said:

1) I was comparing it to “When Israel tells their occupied countries' women and children that they are going for a train ride only to line thé up for a firing squad”

2) has only one family been killed in Gaza?

Silly.  I get your point about some of things happening in Gaza and there is corruption - but you will find that on all sides.  But to compare this to Hitler is silly IMO.  

 

[Inliytened1]

18 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

Are you from Israel or something?

You seem quite triggered about the criticism of Israel.

No just a guy who sits at the Passover seder each year to talk about how Egypt enslaved us and we got out.  So for once we are on the offensive.   Why not?

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[Leo Gura]

27 minutes ago, Raze said:

That’s the West Bank, he’s talking about Gaza.

But they are part of one holistic issue.

Israeli settlers right now are drafting plans to colonize Gaza.

Watch the documentaries on my blog.

[Inliytened1]

43 minutes ago, royce said:

 

I think it's a survival strategy for the Israelites to avoid considering the situation from a humanitarian perspective.

In your minds, Hitler is seen as the ultimate evil, so any comparison between your leadership and him seems outrageous to you . However, it's a valid comparison, and personally, I believe that Hitler is a better person than your Bibi.

 

 

Did you read Mein Kampf?  I am not debating who is a better person.   I think the better question is who is more deluded.  Hitler would have the upper hand here, it remains to be seen about Netanyahu.   But I doubt he would reach that level of delusion.

[Inliytened1]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

[Retracted]

Fuck you guys

 

Edited September 28 by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

@Inliytened1 Love you too.

[Raze]

29 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Silly.  I get your point about some of things happening in Gaza and there is corruption - but you will find that on all sides.  But to compare this to Hitler is silly IMO.  

 

I’m not agreeing with any hitler comparison.
 

The largest international law body said Israel is committing a plausible genocide. A founder of one of the largest human rights organizations who is himself a Jewish holocaust survivor agrees with them. Another holocaust survivor and legal expert who used to advise the Israeli government approved of arrest warrants for Netanyahu. 
 

It is not some crazy fringe opinion for you to dismiss off hand now. 
 

28 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

No just a guy who sits at the Passover seder each year to talk about how Egypt enslaved us and we got out.  So for once we are on the offensive.   Why not?

So rather than engage with merits of any argument you’ve already planted your flag based on ethnic ties 

[Leo Gura]

The key insight here is this:

There was nothing special about Hitler that made him evil. Hitler was just a far right ultra-nationalist, and when nationalism gets taken too far it turns into ethnic cleansing and genocide. It makes no difference what ethnicity or nationality the people are.

The problem I see is that many Israelis want to claim a monopoly on being victims of genocide, but genocide is quite a common phenomenon that has nothing to do with your specific ethnic identity. Genocide can happen by any group against any other group, all under the rationale of self-defense.

The lesson of the Holocaust should not be learned too narrowly. The lesson of the Holocaust in not that Jews need to be protected at all costs. The lesson is that ethnic cleansing can happen to anyone by anyone if nationalism is allowed to get out of control.

When the Holocaust is turned into part of one's identity, it leads to the same problems that any finite identity fixation can lead to. By making the Holocaust part of one's identity it limits the mind's ability to be unbiased and sensitive to the ethnic cleansing that one's own tribe might be participating in.

It's the same problem as American Exceptionalism, which is used to justify America's bad behavior abroad. America is not above devilry. Neither is Israel. Devilry is not a rare exception, it is the default condition of mankind.

Edited September 28 by Leo Gura

[Raze]

The problem with Hitler comparisons is because the scale of the holocaust was much larger than any other genocide it’ll get dismissed off hand as an outlandish comparison.

[Leo Gura]

43 minutes ago, Raze said:

The problem with Hitler comparisons is because the scale of the holocaust was much larger than any other genocide it’ll get dismissed off hand as an outlandish comparison.

Yes

[royce]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

No just a guy who sits at the Passover seder each year to talk about how Egypt enslaved us and we got out.  So for once we are on the offensive.   Why not?

Haha, wow, you keep impressing me more and more with every reply! 

Edited September 28 by royce

[royce]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

I am not debating who is a better person.   I think the better question is who is more deluded

At first, you completely refused the comparison at all , and now you've changed the question. 

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[Lyubov]

I come from a part Jewish background (my mom, grandma was in the holocaust and Escaped to USA at 17 as a refugee, great grandpa died in prison under nazi control) and I can tell you now Jewish religion is a congregation of a bunch of crybabies that wanna be victims. The holocaust was so wrong. I still think it’s not ok to make jokes about it: but it is a fair comparison today to say that Israel has a lot more common with nazis now than they realize. 
 

Delusion long winded story about being special, Aryan race / gods chosen people ✅

both are far right ✅

Both are subjugating an ethnic group that has lived on that land for 600+ years to cruelty ✅  

the modern Israeli Jew lived in Europe for 800 years. What claim do they have to this land now?  

Edited September 28 by Lyubov

[Raze]

Jews acknowledging they were historically victimized and feeling a connection to the land is fine.

victimizing Palestinians and denying their connection to the land isn’t. 

[Leo Gura]

44 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

What claim do they have to this land now?

They will claim The Bible. But of course that's very self-biased since they wrote the fucking thing

[Nivsch]

9 minutes ago, Raze said:

Jews acknowledging they were historically victimized and feeling a connection to the land is fine.

victimizing Palestinians and denying their connection to the land isn’t. 

Indeed both have a deep historically and legitimate connection to this land.

Edited September 28 by Nivsch

[Husseinisdoingfine]

BREAKING NEWS:

IDF AND HEZBOLLAH BOTH CONFIRM THE DEATH OF HASSAN NASRALLAH.

Edited September 28 by Husseinisdoingfine

[Leo Gura]

40 minutes ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

BREAKING NEWS:

IDF AND HEZBOLLAH BOTH CONFIRM THE DEATH OF HASSAN NASRALLAH.

Gotta learn more about him. Was he an Islamist?

[Atb210201]

10 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Gotta learn more about him. Was he an Islamist?

He was the Head of Hezbollah

[Leo Gura]

10 minutes ago, Atb210201 said:

He was the Head of Hezbollah

I know, but what were his beliefs and positions? Was he a genocidal lunatic?

Edited September 28 by Leo Gura