Israel / Palestine News Thread

[Raze]

Just now, MarkKol said:

I just realized how perfect 911 was, they attacked the most populous state, and the two biggest buildings in Manhattan. Impressive.

I wonder what the next attack will be, there probably will be some. Maybe after the war calms down or after a ceasefire.

But still, It's hard to beat the scale of 911, it wouldn't be as big if they attacked Tennessee in the same way.

The US was actually extremely incompetent with 9/11. The CIA was aware of the hijackers but wouldn’t cooperate with the FBI for political reasons. The counter terrorism advisor was warning Bush about Al Queda but Bush cut his funding and didn’t meet with him. Bush even got a memo warning Al Queda planned to attack within planes and didn’t read it.

Since 9/11 the government is onto a lot of the tactics and has been both legally and illegally spying on a most of the country, so it would be pretty difficult to pull something of that scale off.

[Raze]

 

[Nivsch]

8 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

This guy seems to be dragging everybody down with him, such a liability for the US and Europe.

Israel probably does need a strong leader of sorts because of enemies. But not this guy

This is true. The center-left parties and voters are Anti-Netanyahu obssessed (in the good sense. They are right) from 2015.

Israel is for couple of years splitted to two similar in size polarized camps around Netanyahu.

Edited September 25 by Nivsch

[Nemra]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

These fundamentalist Zionists are land-horny lunatics:

Imagine these vultures influencing military policy.

I don't want to imagine. They're cuckoos!

[royce]

There is a principle that governs Israeli society, and I’d like to explain it to you. It’s called the "Rule of the Deceptive Bully and the Duped Thief." This principle is closely tied to the military censorship imposed on Israeli society from within.

What does this mean?

The "deceptive bully" refers to the Israeli army, while the "duped thief" represents the settler.

To put it simply, there is a mutual exchange between the two. The settler grants legitimacy to the army in return for his silence and strict adherence to the army’s commands, as the real power in Israel lies with the military leadership.

In return, the army provides the settler with a sense of security, while the settler remains silent about broader state policies, such as territorial expansion and the treatment of neighboring countries, which are traditionally viewed in Israeli ideology as enemies of Judaism.

From this arrangement, the concept of military censorship emerged. This censorship thrives on the settler’s silence about the truth on the ground and his obedience to the army's orders. At the same time, the army turns a blind eye to the settler’s theft and illegal occupation of land.

In short, the settler, knowing he is acting unlawfully and feeling both inferior and under constant threat, needs a bully to protect him. His concern isn’t the bully’s morality, but rather ensuring his own survival.

The Israeli army is fully aware of the settler’s fears and manipulates them to impose its policies and instructions, even when these instructions are false.

For example, when the army says, "Don’t move or take pictures," you comply. When it says, "Don’t speak out or act like a revolutionary concerned about human rights," you follow orders.

This explains two significant aspects of Israeli society:

First: the absence of any public protests against the army’s massacres and collective violence in Gaza. Despite the mass destruction, not a single demonstration calls for an end to these actions, or questions, "Where are your morals or sense of humanity?"

Jews outside of Israel, being free from this controlling relationship, are more capable of expressing dissent.

Second: the strict military censorship that entirely prevents the reporting of real material and human losses. This censorship shapes how events are portrayed, and is deeply ingrained in the settler’s daily life—whether in schools, the media, or religious institutions.

Once, someone asked me, "Is it really possible that after thousands of rockets and drones, and hundreds of destroyed houses, bases, and vehicles, the result is just 'five minor injuries'?"

Of course, the settler doesn’t fully believe this, but he’s forced to accept it as the price for surviving on land he doesn’t own. This relationship has been carefully crafted since the era of Ben-Gurion, and much of Israel’s perceived strength in the Arab imagination is based on this. In reality, however, it’s a fabricated and illusory power.

- Sameh Asker

 

 

[Nemra]

@royce, thanks for the informative response.

[integration journey]

Me and a lot of Syrians are happy that Israel is bombing the shit out of Hezbolah. Hezoblah terrorized  so many Syrian cities and fucked us up in 2013-2015 
I’m against killing civilians but fuck Hezbolah 

Edited September 25 by integration journey
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[Heaven]

29 minutes ago, integration journey said:

Me and a lot of Syrians are happy that Israel is bombing the shit out of Hezbolah. Hezoblah terrorized  so many Syrian cities and fucked us up in 2013-2015 
I’m against killing civilians but fuck Hezbolah 

Thanks for this comment. I needed some reassurance that it’s true.

Stay safe🙏🏻

[Heaven]

@royce You live in an imaginary world.

Israel is a Western country meaning we have regular internet(Not like Arab countries or China). 
There is not separation between the army and the people of Israel or some shady agreement of your conspiracy theories.

Israel is not the first or the last land to be conquered. Jewish people live in peace with Muslims and Christians in Israel. Whoever try to destroy this peace will pay the price. 
 

When the war was against Gaza you might present it an unfair war but we already realized that this war is much broader against Iran, Hezbualla, Iraq and the Hutis.

 

 

Edited September 25 by Heaven

[Leo Gura]

58 minutes ago, Heaven said:

Jewish people live in peace with Muslims and Christians in Israel. Whoever try to destroy this peace will pay the price. 

You destroy your own peace.

Israel doesn't want peace, it wants land and power.

You got what you wanted. Only it's too ugly to take responsibility for.

Edited September 25 by Leo Gura

[Heaven]

12 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You destroy your own peace.

Israel doesn't want peace, it wants land and power.

You got what you wanted. Only it's too ugly to take responsibility for.

I both agree and disagree with you here.

Power is needed especially when organizations want to see you in the sea.😌

Why does Israel need land? Please contemplate about it.

Do you think that Hamas, Hizbualla and Iran missing land that they want Israel so much?

How did Israel destroy their peace on October 7th?

Do you think there is a solution to this conflict? Because it’s deeper than land. Even if Israel wouldn’t exist, there will be a constant fight between the Westerns and Islam.

 

 

[Leo Gura]

12 minutes ago, Heaven said:

Why does Israel need land? Please contemplate about it.

To satisfy ideological ultra-nationalist religous lunatics. But also just raw material power and wealth. Land is money in the end.

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Do you think that Hamas, Hizbualla and Iran missing land that they want Israel so much?

Iran and Hezbollah do not want that land. Hamas does because they had homes and villages there. The head of Hamas was born in a village north of Gaza. Where is his village land now?

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How did Israel destroy their peace on October 7th?

Israel created Oct 7th through its colonial project.

Edited September 25 by Leo Gura

[Jodistrict]

55 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

To satisfy ideological ultra-nationalist religous lunatics. 

This is a big barrier.  It's important to remember that Yitzhak Rabin was assasinated for his support of the peace process.   If someone is for peace, their life is in danger.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Yitzhak_Rabin

[Nemra]

I'm curious how Jews got convinced that they needed a homeland.

[Karmadhi]

4 hours ago, integration journey said:

Me and a lot of Syrians are happy that Israel is bombing the shit out of Hezbolah. Hezoblah terrorized  so many Syrian cities and fucked us up in 2013-2015 
I’m against killing civilians but fuck Hezbolah 

It would good if the other Hezbollah of the Middle East (IDF) also went up in flames.

[royce]

3 hours ago, Heaven said:

Israel is a Western country meaning we have regular internet(Not like Arab countries or China). 
There is not separation between the army and the people of Israel or some shady agreement of your conspiracy theories.

The publication ban laws in Israel aim to protect issues of national security and security interests by restricting what can be published in the media or online. 

1. Publication Ban Orders

These orders are used to prevent the media from publishing information on topics considered sensitive to the state's security. These orders are issued by courts or security authorities, such as the "military censor" in the Israeli army, who has censorship authority over the press.

2. Military Censorship

There is a system of military censorship in Israel that allows the army to prevent the publication of information that could threaten national security. This censorship is usually imposed on topics related to the military, security operations, and some matters related to foreign policy.

3. Anti-Terrorism Law and National Security Laws

These laws include provisions that prohibit publishing any information that could assist in carrying out terrorist acts, be used to incite violence, or threaten state security.

4. Criminal and Civil Liability

Violating publication ban laws can result in criminal penalties and financial fines for violators, whether individuals or media organizations.

5. Freedom of the Press vs. Security

There is always an ongoing debate in Israel about balancing freedom of the press with the restrictions imposed for the sake of national security. Publication ban laws are a contentious issue, with some viewing them as necessary for state security, while others see them as limitations on freedom of expression and the press.

In conclusion, publication ban laws in Israel are strictly enforced in matters of security and defense, with each case being evaluated individually to ensure the protection of national security.

3 hours ago, Heaven said:

already realized that this war is much broader against Iran, Hezbualla, Iraq and the Hutis.

This is what your country is selling to the Americans. Even Netanyahu knows it's nonsense. If you believe in this, you're living in an imaginary world with me. 

[Raze]

 

[Nivsch]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Israel doesn't want peace, it wants land and power

Depends on which Israel you talk about. The political sector I support (that almost won Netanyahu) wanted two state solution all the time prior to oct7 and even a true peace before the 2nd intifada.

From this intifada Israelis cease to say 'peace' but just 'two state solution' / 'agreement' / 'deal' and such.

Edited September 26 by Nivsch

[Nivsch]

@royce Ok then what is the problem with those 5 points you mentioned? Seems reasonable to me that good security is based on hiding information from foreign intelligence agencies as much as possible.

Edited September 26 by Nivsch

[royce]

10 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

@Nivsch there is no proplem