Israel / Palestine News Thread

[Nemra]

@Leo Gura 

A parrot can also be on point.

[Leo Gura]

12 minutes ago, Nemra said:

@Leo Gura 

A parrot can also be on point.

Frankly, Dan might just be a classic anti-semite, Jews-run-the-world brained.

But at this point I'll take it cause someone has to call out Zionist lies, propaganda, and devilry.

Horseshoe theory strikes again! 

It's just amazing Dan's double-standard about not trusting people who lie to him. He refuses to trust Zionists because they lie, but not Trump? Israel is bad for doing Israel First, but not America?

Lolz

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[Raze]

 

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[Raze]

37 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Frankly, Dan might just be a classic anti-semite, Jews-run-the-world brained.

But at this point I'll take it cause someone has to call out Zionist lies, propaganda, and devilry.

 

Dan will hurt the cause, it becomes much easier to call all criticism of Israel antisemitism when they can’t point to antisemitic critics. 

He’s also saying silly conspiracy theories about blaming Israel for 9/11 and JFK, this just makes critics of Israel look ridiculous. He’s basically helping them at this point.

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[Nemra]

32 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Frankly, Dan might just be a classic anti-semite, Jews-run-the-world brained.

He probably is.

It's interesting that Patrick, aware of what's happening to Palestinians, doesn't place Arabs on a pedestal. He admits that the USA is a better place to live.

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[Raze]

53 minutes ago, Ayham said:

Do you guys think this will be a full blown war in the middle east?

I heard from a semi reliable leaker that part of the Iranian army wants to strike Israel, but most of the other leadership especially the president don’t want them too. Iran has also been supposedly demanding the Houthis and Hezbollah pull back.

It just doesn’t make sense for Iran or Hezbollah to go to war right now. A war would allow Israel to regain international support and force the US to help them strike Lebanon and Iran which would topple their regimes. Even if Iran and Hezbollah somehow start to win Israel will just use the Samson directive.

On the other hand if they don’t go to war, Iran can present itself to the rest of the world as a reasonable country just trying to stop the Gaza onslaught, and as soon as Israel is at peace it’s going to probably start internally erupting over the huge divisions it will now have. I’ve actually heard from the same leaker (who has more connections to Israel) that it’s actually Netanyahu who wants the war in Gaza to continue but is avoiding a Hezbollah war, whereas the IDF top brass want to end the war in Gaza and focus on Hezbollah.

A lot of the current anti Israel sentiment is a result of their 1982 invasion of Lebanon which turned a lot of the western left against them, in fact that’s what caused Hezbollah to form, however if they invade now I don’t think it will have the same effect as they’ve probably maxed out international condemnation at this point and it won’t sway the left much.
 

Israel however has reasons to want a full scale war, for one they will probably be in more danger if Iran and hezbollah are left standing, as they’ve had a brain drain from people leaving and as the boomers in The USA get replaced by more Israel critical young people, their vital US support will be called into question in coming decades. To add anti Israeli militias in the Middle East will probably be able to recruit like crazy using all the footage from Gaza of Israel bombing mosques and mocking Arabs. A lot of the Islamists the US fought in Iraq only moved there after photos of Abu Gharib leaked, Israel now has a similar situation with their sde teiman camp.

 

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[Ayham]

@Raze great balanced analysis, thanks for your answer , you seem quite knowledgeable.

I'm curious about the source though, is it some personal connection or a public figure?

 

7 minutes ago, Raze said:

A lot of the Islamists the US fought in Iraq only moved there after photos of Abu Gharib leaked, Israel now has a similar situation with their sde teiman camp.

 

Lol, Abu Gharib is like 1 hour away from here (I live in Baghdad).

[Nemra]

36 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It's just amazing Dan's double-standard about not trusting people who lie to him. He refuses to trust Zionists because they lie, but not Trump? Israel is bad for doing Israel First, but not America?

Maybe he thinks a lie is something that doesn't serve him well.

People don't understand that being pro-Palestinian or Israeli could mean lots of things.

[Leo Gura]

44 minutes ago, Raze said:

He’s also saying silly conspiracy theories about blaming Israel for 9/11 and JFK, this just makes critics of Israel look ridiculous. He’s basically helping them at this point.

That's a good point.

He clearly fell down the anti-Jew conspiracy rabbit hole.

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[Nemra]

@Leo Gura

Also, he and people like him don't understand that being anti-Jew makes their opponents even more convinced that they are being exterminated.

[Leo Gura]

That's what I hate about this whole debate. There are clearly valid and important criticisms of Zionist devilry, yet Zionists play these stupid games like all of that is Holocaust 2.0.

It's just so intellectually dishonest and gross.

And at the same time real antisemitism like Dan Billzarian or Kanye West and Nick Fuentez is real and gross too.

Everyone is acting stupid in this game of finger-pointing, creating a bunch of noise and dust which lead to no solutions.

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[Nemra]

@Leo Gura 

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[jakee]

Could we all as a human race just watch this video right here and contemplate it for 10 years, and then come back to solve this mess with a multiperspectival, turquoise, meta-interprative, holistic God consciousness? Thanks!

 

 

[Leo Gura]

Israel-Palestine will not be fixed by any amount of videos.

[Nivsch]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

call out Zionist lies, propaganda, and devilry.

How do you define the word "Zionism"? What is Zionism for you?

If you can break it down.

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[Karmadhi]

5 hours ago, Anton Rogachevski said:

The data unfortunately shows that most of them support hamas and the 7.10 attacks full heartedly.

Hard not to when you are being murdered daily.

Israel was murdering hundreds of Gazans every year and that was considering "the norm".

Israelis meanwhile these days live comfortable lives and party while their neighbours starve and are bombed.

It is a lot more justifiable and understandable for Gazans to hate Israel than Israel to hate Gazans.

It boils down to how much are you personally affected.

Most Israelis are not affected by Gaza.

Most Gaza is affected by Israel.

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[Karmadhi]

4 hours ago, Nemra said:

Also, he and people like him don't understand that being anti-Jew makes their opponents even more convinced that they are being exterminated.

I find it very unfair that Jews around the world are being shat on because of Israel actions.

They should keep the criticism for Israelis only, not for all Jews around the globe.

People seem to confuse Zionism with Judaism for some reason.

[Husseinisdoingfine]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Dan is so on-point, but he's still voting for Trump.

 

On 8/21/2024 at 4:08 AM, zazen said:

 

 

I'm going to have to condemn Dan here. He said problematic anti-Semitic talking points, such as bringing up the Talmud and apparently how its okay to kill non-Jews.

This is literally a Nazi talking point.

He is correct that AIPAC has a disproportionate amount of influence in American politics, and the Israel is not our ally. 

[Husseinisdoingfine]

5 hours ago, Raze said:

 

 

This twitter account is so anti-Arab, I was so repulsed reading it.

[Raze]

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Children are drinking from puddles and wading through sewage pools, as Israel pummels water systems in Gaza

https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/23/middleeast/israel-gaza-water-shortages-heatwave-crisis-intl/index.html

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CNN — 

Guns swinging from their hips, two soldiers in black combat boots and green tactical clothing appear to wire explosives to pumps at the Canada Water reservoir in Rafah, southern Gaza.

Moments later, an orange blaze tears through the critical facility in the Tal al-Sultan neighborhood, as ribbons of grey smoke erupt into the sky.

The blast was captured in a now deleted video, which was reportedly shared by an Israeli soldier on Instagram and geolocated by CNN. Satellite imagery shows that the reservoir was damaged between July 26 and July 27. Destroyed buildings are visible in the surrounding area.

The reservoir could hold 3 million liters of water and was central to the treatment and distribution of water in the Rafah Governate, according to the UN’s Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA), providing water for 150,000 people prior to October 7, when the war began.

When asked about the incident captured on camera, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) told CNN that its troops had been operating in the Tal al-Sultan area for several weeks to “dismantle terrorist infrastructures and eliminate terrorists, whilst taking feasible measures in order to mitigate damage to civilian structures.”

It added that it examines reports of videos posted to social media and handles them with disciplinary measures. The IDF said the incident was under review by the Fact Finding and Assessment Mechanism, “an independent investigative mechanism outside the chain of command entrusted with investigating exceptional events in warfare.”

 

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Eleven killed in Israeli strike on Gaza's Beit Lahiya, Palestinian news agency says

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/eleven-killed-israeli-strike-gazas-beit-lahiya-palestinian-news-agency-says-2024-08-22/

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Aug 22 (Reuters) - At least 11 people were killed in an Israeli strike on a residential building in the northern Gaza town of Beit Lahiya in the early hours of Thursday, official Palestinian news agency Wafa said.

 

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