Israel / Palestine News Thread

[Gennadiy1981]

41 minutes ago, mrPixel said:

Just curious, is anyone on this thread even close to changing their minds?

I don’t think so and frankly speaking I don’t see any reason. The idea of this forum is for people to share their views and it’s not to have different opinions about a very complex topic. It’s perfectly fine to have different opinions and there is no need to change anything. I don’t expect people to change and I don’t plan to change. Again we are speaking of survival issues for some and there are few who live there so it’s a different perspective as someone who is arguing from the comfort of their keyboard many miles away.

@gambler you are mistaking a bit, Druze is ethnicity while Christian and Islam is a religion. As far as people sharing DNA many in the region share DNA with everyone so that’s not a very valuable way to judge. You can read on Wikipedia about their ethnicity, they are actually descendants from ancient Assyrians (as how they like to put it) and their customs are different than your average Arabs. Even their Islam is somewhat different than of that of Arabic one. 

[mrPixel]

14 minutes ago, Raze said:

 

That's disgusting

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[gambler]

16 minutes ago, Gennadiy1981 said:

I don’t think so and frankly speaking I don’t see any reason. The idea of this forum is for people to share their views and it’s not to have different opinions about a very complex topic. It’s perfectly fine to have different opinions and there is no need to change anything. I don’t expect people to change and I don’t plan to change. Again we are speaking of survival issues for some and there are few who live there so it’s a different perspective as someone who is arguing from the comfort of their keyboard many miles away.

@gambler you are mistaking a bit, Druze is ethnicity while Christian and Islam is a religion. As far as people sharing DNA many in the region share DNA with everyone so that’s not a very valuable way to judge. You can read on Wikipedia about their ethnicity, they are actually descendants from ancient Assyrians (as how they like to put it) and their customs are different than your average Arabs. Even their Islam is somewhat different than of that of Arabic one. 

I removed the genetic part because, you are right, people being similar on a genetic level isn't what determines their ethnicity. But if you want to know, genetically they are a levantine people similar to other Arab Levantines rather than Mesopotamian, regardless if some of their paternal lineage is indeed from Assyria. But I don't know why them being different in religion and customs doesn't make them similar to your average Arab. Christian Arabs have different customs and religion than Muslims, yet are still Arab. Arab is a pan-ethnicity of those who speak Arabic and share some cultural practices and traditions with other communities that make up this pan-ethnicity. If you want to appeal to Wikipedia and other encylopedias, Druze are considered Arab. But to end this conversation, like I said, some Druze consider themselves as such while others don't. So, cheers to getting through the technicality with me.

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[mrPixel]

I am so sick of people killing in the name of infantile belief systems.

[Gennadiy1981]

@gambler I am not debating with you and I am not Druze so I won’t make much statements on them. I do know some Druzes and I had conversation with them, at least the ones who live in Israel, they actually would get offended if you compare them to Arabs and do not marry Arab Muslims. I am just relating to you what some of them told me. Also some have relatives in Syria and they told me while they are not much involved in Pan Arab community, the Arabs don’t bother them. Again the ones I spoke do draw distinctions. But at the end of the day I am not Druze and cannot really support one or the other claim. 

[gambler]

Just now, Gennadiy1981 said:

@gambler I am not debating with you and I am not Druze so I won’t make much statements on them. I do know some Druzes and I had conversation with them, at least the ones who live in Israel, they actually would get offended if you compare them to Arabs and do not marry Arab Muslims. I am just relating to you what some of them told me. Also some have relatives in Syria and they told me while they are not much involved in Pan Arab community, the Arabs don’t bother them. Again the ones I spoke do draw distinctions. But at the end of the day I am not Druze and cannot really support one or the other claim. 

Yes, I know, some don't see themselves as such and they are endogamous so they don't marry outside their community. I already acknowledged this. Even some Iraqi Christian get offended when you call them Arab meanwhile others do view themselves as such. If you don't think this is the case with the Druze, so be it.

[gambler]

@Gennadiy1981 From Pew Research Center's: Israel’s Religiously Divided Society:

"Virtually all Muslims (99%) and Christians (96%) surveyed in Israel identify as Arab. A somewhat smaller share of Druze (71%) say they are ethnically Arab. Other Druze respondents identify their ethnicity as “Other,” “Druze” or “Druze-Arab.”"

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2016/03/08/israels-religiously-divided-society/

[Gennadiy1981]

@gambler look this is not a hill I will die for lol. I just told you from my conversations with them that’s all. 

[Nivsch]

42 minutes ago, gambler said:

@Gennadiy1981 From Pew Research Center's: Israel’s Religiously Divided Society:

"Virtually all Muslims (99%) and Christians (96%) surveyed in Israel identify as Arab. A somewhat smaller share of Druze (71%) say they are ethnically Arab. Other Druze respondents identify their ethnicity as “Other,” “Druze” or “Druze-Arab.”"

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2016/03/08/israels-religiously-divided-society/

Even the definition of Arab (as well as Jew to Israelis) will be seen differently to different groups so the "Arab" a Druze see is probably not the Arab an Israeli Arab who isn't Druze see.

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[Bobby_2021]

10 hours ago, Nivsch said:

Hezbollah is in Lebanon and the occupied area is from Syria

Hezbollah is the resistance to the larger far right Israeli occupation push. They will resist illegal occupation everywhere.

10 hours ago, Nivsch said:

The Galil (hasnt occupid in any war) and the Golan are under attack from Hezbollah in the exact same way.

2. The kibbutzes near Gaza hasn't occupied

Occupation may not be reason for attacks. But Hezbollah has made it clear that they will attack illegal settlements so you could expect more such attacks in future, wherever there are settlements and illegal occupation.

9 hours ago, Heaven said:

Bombing and killing kids in their playground doesn’t need added context. 
You lost your humanity. Only God can save your soul.

Context matters a lot. 

You are not allowed to build a playground in illegally occupied territories. You can't build a playground in a warzone. These are undisputed territories which are subject to conflict.

So it's wise to not bring kids into these territories.

I am not giving my personal opinions on anything. I am just observing the fact that disputed territories should expect attacks and more will come in the future. 

Someone else has to enforce the law when one party is doing illegal stuff. You have to respect the law.

2 hours ago, mrPixel said:

Just curious, is anyone on this thread even close to changing their minds?

I changed my mind once. I was fooled by CNN into thinking US & Israel has been a green freedom loving progressive people. The reality is far from that. It's a war loving capitalist machine.

[Nivsch]

5 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Hezbollah has made it clear that they will attack illegal settlements so you could expect more such attacks in future, wherever there are settlements and illegal occupation.

Again they attack the Galil too regulary for decades.

8 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

They will resist illegal occupation everywhere

They resist Israel. Simple.

[Bobby_2021]

 

2 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

They resist Israel. Simple.

The existence of Israel & it's allies are an existential threat to many countries in the middleast who have been subjected to totally frivolous illegal invasions on childishly false pretext like WMDs.

Iraq war was a total bloodshed and a larger destabilizing force in the middleast. Once a region has been destabilized, then even more radicals take power.

These countries have grown weary about the actions of Israel & US in the past and have been building up to counter it. They have grown stronger while US & Israel have become much weaker than what they used to. Israel is trending on dangerous grounds here.

People often miss how the larger deeper workings of the collective hive mind. Bad things you did in the past will have consequences. It's not like you get to escape scot free.

I don't have any opinions on anything. My mind has become too numb to care. But I would like to see if anyone else see what's actually going on.

[Nivsch]

21 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

It's a war loving capitalist machine

You confuse the deep right wing with the moderate and security forces sector of society agenda that tend and proved to be very different. Do some research.

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[Bobby_2021]

4 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

You confuse the deep right wing with the moderate and security forces sector of society agenda that tend and proved to be very different. Do some research.

Ok fine, then don't claim that you are a democracy. 

If some radical right wing faction can come to power amd dictate the entire course of a nation, without the people voting for them, then it's not a democracy. 

I thought these right wing nut cases got into power because the people voted them to power like in a democracy.

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[Raze]

 

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[Nivsch]

9 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Ok fine, then don't claim that you are a democracy. 

If some radical right wing faction can come to power amd dictate the entire course of a nation, without the people voting for them, then it's not a democracy. 

I thought these right wing nut cases got into power because the people voted them to power like in a democracy.

Yes, the government has been elected by roughly half of the population but even its center of gravity didn't want a war before oct7th.

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[Bobby_2021]

8 hours ago, mrPixel said:

I am so sick of people killing in the name of infantile belief systems.

Don't be so emotionally distraught. Understand why it all happens and what causes them to engage in all this self destructive behaviour.

[mrPixel]

4 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Don't be so emotionally distraught. Understand why it all happens and what causes them to engage in all this self destructive behaviour.

I have a strong hatred for religion. I used to be more tolerant, but that all turned around a few years ago.

[Bobby_2021]

2 hours ago, mrPixel said:

I have a strong hatred for religion. I used to be more tolerant, but that all turned around a few years ago.

It's the hate within you that is causing all the emotional distraught if you are honest, not the wars from outside.

As far as the wars are concerned, they are a manifestation of the hate they carry, for reasons that were outside of their control.

[Raze]

@Nivsch @Gennadiy1981 @numbersinarow

Question: Why is Israel not allowing parts for water desalination into Gaza and destroying water treatment facilities?

https://www.economist.com/middle-east-and-africa/2024/01/10/just-how-bad-is-it-in-gaza

free link: https://archive.is/m4QiX

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spare parts for desalination plants are on the list and thus barred from entry.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/01/17/gaza-aid-starvation-humanitarian-crisis/
 

free link : https://archive.is/UwIcd

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Items including scalpels for delivering babies, water desalination equipment, generators, oxygen tanks, and tents with metal poles have been rejected, aid workers say

https://www.ochaopt.org/content/hostilities-gaza-strip-and-israel-flash-update-30

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On 4 and 5 November, seven water facilities across the Gaza Strip were directly hit and sustained major damage, including three sewage pipelines in Gaza city, two water reservoirs (in Gaza City, Rafah and Jabalia refugee camp) and two water wells in Rafah. The Gaza municipality warned about the imminent risk of sewage flooding.