Israel / Palestine News Thread

[Bobby_2021]

These reports don't evoke any shock anymore. It's like it's a daily occurrence.

[Husseinisdoingfine]

 

[Raze]

 

[Vibes]

 

 

 

[Raze]

 

[Loveeee]

[Nivsch]

You are full of love, proportions and moderation.

[Yimpa]

Just now, Nivsch said:

You are full of love, proportions and moderation.

That fortunate cookie just might be potent enough to stop war.

[Vibes]

7 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

Edited July 25 by Vibes

[Nivsch]

2 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

That fortunate cookie just might be potent enough to stop war.

Lies are used when a person knows he cannot harness truth to his claims.

[Raze]

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/bf4mfymnmn4t1wyvdkx4h/Letter.pdf?rlkey=z3ekl4u9gtya2p33ek6ud2zet&e=1&dl=0
 

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July 25, 2024
Re: American physicians' and nurses' observations from the Gaza Strip since October 7, 2023 I've never seen such horrific injuries, on such a massive scale, with so few resources. Our bombs are cutting down women and children by the thousands. Their mutilated bodies are a monument
to cruelty.
Dr. Feroze Sidhwa, trauma and critical care surgeon I saw so many stillbirths and maternal deaths that could have been easily prevented if the
hospitals had been functioning normally.
Dr. Thalia Pachiyannakis, obstetrician and gynecologist Every day I saw babies die. They had been born healthy. Their mothers were so malnourished that they could not breastfeed, and we lacked formula or clean water to feed them, so they
starved.
Asma Taha, pediatric nurse practitioner
Gaza was the first time I held a baby's brains in my hand. The first of many.
Dr. Mark Perlmutter, orthopedic and hand surgeon Dear President Joseph R. Biden, Vice President Kamala Harris, and Dr. Jill Biden, We are forty-five American physicians, surgeons, and nurses who have volunteered in the Gaza Strip since October 7, 2023. We worked with various nongovernmental organizations and the World Health Organization in hospitals throughout the Strip. In addition to our medical and surgical expertise, many of us have a public health background, as well as experience working in humanitarian and conflict zones, including Ukraine during the brutal Russian invasion. Some of us are veterans of the United States Armed Forces. We are a multifaith and multiethnic group. None of us support the horrors committed on October
7 by Palestinian armed groups and individuals in Israel. The Constitution of the World Health Organization states: "The health of all peoples is fundamental to the attainment of peace and security and is dependent on the fullest cooperation of individuals and States." It
is in this spirit that we write to you.
We are among the only neutral observers who have been permitted to enter the Gaza Strip since October 7. Given our broad expertise and direct experience of working throughout Gaza we are uniquely positioned to comment on several matters of importance to our government as it decides whether to continue supporting Israel's attack on, and siege of, the Gaza Strip. Specifically, we believe we are well positioned to comment on the massive human toll from Israel's attack on Gaza, especially the toll it has
taken on women and children. This letter collects and summarizes our own experiences and direct observations in Gaza. We have also provided links to a much longer and heavily cited appendix summarizing the publicly available
information from media, humanitarian, and academic sources on key aspects of Israel's invasion of Gaza. The appendix is available as a PDF file at https://tinyurl.com/gazadoctorsletterappendix. This letter
can be accessed electronically as a PDF file at https://tinyurl.com/gazadoctorsletter.

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This letter and the appendix show probative evidence that the human toll in Gaza is far higher than is understood in the United States. It is likely that the death toll from this conflict is already greater than 92,000, an astonishing 4.2% of Gaza's population. Our government must act immediately to prevent an even worse catastrophe than what has already befallen the people of Gaza and Israel. A ceasefire must be imposed on both Israel and Palestinian armed groups by withholding military support for Israel and supporting an international arms embargo on both Israel and all Palestinian armed groups. We believe our government is obligated to do this, both under American law and
International Humanitarian Law, and that it is the right thing to do. With only marginal exceptions, everyone in Gaza is sick, injured, or both. This includes every national aid worker, every international volunteer, and probably every Israeli hostage: every man, woman, and child. While working in Gaza we saw widespread malnutrition in our patients and our Palestinian healthcare colleagues. Every one of us lost weight rapidly in Gaza despite having privileged access to food and having taken our own supplementary nutrient-dense food with us. We have photographic evidence of life-threatening malnutrition in our patients, especially children, that we are
eager to share with you. Virtually every child under the age of five whom we encountered, both inside and outside of the hospital, had both a cough and watery diarrhea. We found cases of jaundice (indicating hepatitis A infection under such conditions) in virtually every room of the hospitals in which we served, and in many of our healthcare colleagues in Gaza. An astonishingly high percentage of our surgical incisions became infected from the combination of malnutrition, impossible operating conditions, and lack of supplies and medications, including antibiotics. The pregnant women we treated often gave birth to underweight infants, and they were unable to breastfeed due to malnutrition. This left their newborns at high risk of death given the lack of access to potable water anywhere in Gaza. Many of those infants died. In Gaza we watched malnourished new mothers feed their underweight newborns infant formula made with
poisonous water. We can never forget that the world abandoned these innocent women and babies. We urge you to realize that epidemics are raging in Gaza. Israel's continued, repeated displacement of the malnourished and sick population of Gaza, half of whom are children, to areas with no running water or even toilets available is absolutely shocking. It is virtually guaranteed to result in widespread death from viral and bacterial diarrheal diseases and pneumonias, particularly in children under the age of five. We worry that unknown thousands have already died from the lethal combination of malnutrition and disease, and that tens of thousands more will die in the coming months. Most of them will be young
children. Children are universally considered innocents in armed conflict. However, every single signatory to this
letter treated children in Gaza who suffered violence that must have been deliberately directed at them. Specifically, every one of us on a daily basis treated pre-teen children who were shot in the head and
chest. President and Dr. Biden, we wish you could see the nightmares that plague so many of us since we have returned: dreams of children maimed and mutilated by our weapons, and their inconsolable mothers begging us to save them. We wish you could hear the cries and screams our consciences will not let us forget. We cannot believe that anyone would continue arming the country that isdeliberately killing these children after seeing what we have seen.

The pregnant women we treated were particularly malnourished. Those of us who worked with pregnant women regularly saw stillbirths and maternal deaths that were easily preventable in any

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[Vibes]

These two are disgusting.

[Yimpa]

Comparison of Trump’s response with Kamala’s.

[Heaven]

It’s obvious that peace cannot happen in the world. Look how you guys behave.

Comparing Bibi to Hitler is far from the truth and you all know that. 
 

99% here are living in a Western country and complaining about the US and democratic countries. Ungrateful kids.

I dare you to live in Iran/Iraq/Egypt/Syria/Lebanon.

 

[integration journey]

1 hour ago, Heaven said:

It’s obvious that peace cannot happen in the world. Look how you guys behave.

Comparing Bibi to Hitler is far from the truth and you all know that. 
 

99% here are living in a Western country and complaining about the US and democratic countries. Ungrateful kids.

I dare you to live in Iran/Iraq/Egypt/Syria/Lebanon.

 

I was born and raised in Syria then moved. 
peace is possible but justice for the victims needs to be established first 

[Merkabah Star]

2 hours ago, Heaven said:

It’s obvious that peace cannot happen in the world. Look how you guys behave.

Comparing Bibi to Hitler is far from the truth and you all know that. 
 

Stop pointing fingers and projecting. 

that comparison is fair imho. 

[Yimpa]

4 hours ago, Heaven said:

I dare you to live in Iran/Iraq/Egypt/Syria/Lebanon.

 

[Nivsch]

9 hours ago, Heaven said:

Comparing Bibi to Hitler is far from the truth and you all know that. 

Some things its ok to ignore.

Reacting to such darkness from a position of discomfort will only strengthen those absurd ideas because you let the exact same mechanism caused a person to write this to affect you too.

When a person is really comfortable in his worldview he won't need to jump to such interpersonal absurd comparison to compensate his epistemical holes.

Keep post positively and from a position of strength and show the healthy side of our case (not Bibi, but something else for example), like it doesnt bother you at all. In this way you can make a real change.

Even my reaction now is a reaction but I can only obligate to a slow change in the quality of my comments from a realistic view rather than be 0% triggered overnight what isn't realistic.

Edited July 27 by Nivsch

[Husseinisdoingfine]

Here's Netanyahu's full speech:

 

[Bobby_2021]

If you don't want to be compared to Nazis, then don't do Nazi like stuff.