Israel / Palestine News Thread

[Nivsch]

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[Nivsch]

3 hours ago, Raze said:

1) mass killing of civilians justified to defeat Hamas and rescue hostages but fails to do either meaning it is collective punishment. Also evidence of multiple war crimes and trying to make Gaza uninhabitable

I won't dispute that point but you overlook the much broader time context of an attrition war for 18 years when the current war is only the tip of it and the back of the camel that finally broke after the worst nightmare and trauma Israelis got.

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[Nivsch]

3 hours ago, Raze said:

2) because Israel wanted to treat Gaza as a hostile entity to further ethnic cleansing

Then why Israel has invested Billion of dollars in fences and millions more to keep hamas quiet fron the hope to make him more moderate?

3 hours ago, Raze said:

3) it’s the opposite, the violence of Israel triggers Palestinians, even now the settlers are rampaging in the West Bank, even hamas itself first took up arms in response to Israel killing peaceful protestors in the beginning of the first intifada

Why do you assume palestinian actions aren't triggeting Israelis actions just in the same way? Because palestinians are just stage red kids and Israelis are tier 2 mature adults? Thanks for the compliment but you were exaggerated.

3 hours ago, Raze said:

4) the opposition supports the war and apartheid all the same

After your society will absorbed such a trauma you will most likely support a war against the terrorists too. Don't act so innocently.

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[Nivsch]

3 hours ago, Raze said:

1) mass killing of civilians justified to defeat Hamas and rescue hostages but fails to do either meaning it is collective punishment. Also evidence of multiple war crimes and trying to make Gaza uninhabitable.

Yes just to extract wealth (knowing the blood price and sacrifice they will have to pay in coming to Israel!) And not because the hostility towards them abroad and their deep feeling for their land from the past. How convenient, shallow and innocent.

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[Nivsch]

3 hours ago, Raze said:

2) It isn’t just to stop military equipment, they purposefully limit calories and economic development to keep Gazans on the brink of collapse.
 

3) UN analysis of 500 cases of death or injury found only 2 were justified self defense 

4) Generally Israel continuously violates the ceasefire until a minor response occurs from Hamas which Israel uses as an excuse to kill hundreds to thousands of civilians 

Yes minor responses. To fire deadly rockets to population dense areas and to murder 3 teenagers. What an excuses.

[Danioover9000]

@Nivsch

3 hours ago, Nivsch said:

Yes minor responses. To fire deadly rockets to population dense areas and to murder 3 teenagers. What an excuses.

   Yeah I know right? 3 dead teens nobody knows or cares about, to then kill 30,000 plus Gazans in response. Like the Iraq war right? Which apparently Bush did because A.I.P.A.C wanted him to invade Saddam and destabilize Iraq, just because a plane few and killed a handful of people, in response America killed 50 million plus Iraqi. That seems fair.

[Karmadhi]

https://x.com/LibyaLiberty/status/1717784734661484884

Who the hell is this guy? I saw he is politican.

Dont you think this is genocidal language and normal to use on live TV from a politican?

@Nivsch

[Raze]

6 hours ago, Nivsch said:

I won't dispute that point but you overlook the much broader time context of an attrition war for 18 years when the current war is only the tip of it and the back of the camel that finally broke after the worst nightmare and trauma Israelis got.

Constant barrages on a blockaded population will obviously only lead to violence.

If they aren’t saving the hostages and aren’t destroying Hamas, what is the war really about?
 

6 hours ago, Nivsch said:

Yes minor responses. To fire deadly rockets to population dense areas and to murder 3 teenagers. What an excuses.

99% of the rockets don’t hit anyone

if Hamas killing 3 civilians is major I wonder what settlers and idf yearly killing of dozens to hundreds of Palestinians is 

6 hours ago, Nivsch said:

Yes just to extract wealth (knowing the blood price and sacrifice they will have to pay in coming to Israel!) And not because the hostility towards them abroad and their deep feeling for their land from the past. How convenient, shallow and innocent.

There are many reasons of course, but a clear one is economic, see the continuous land seizures.

 

6 hours ago, Nivsch said:

Then why Israel has invested Billion of dollars in fences and millions more to keep hamas quiet fron the hope to make him more moderate?

Why do you assume palestinian actions aren't triggeting Israelis actions just in the same way? Because palestinians are just stage red kids and Israelis are tier 2 mature adults? Thanks for the compliment but you were exaggerated.

After your society will absorbed such a trauma you will most likely support a war against the terrorists too. Don't act so innocently.

1. “Israel would be "happy" if Hamas took over Gaza because the IDF could then deal with Gaza as a hostile state.” - Amos Yadlin

https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/07TELAVIV1733_a.html

”"The significance of the disengagement plan is the freezing of the peace process," Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's senior adviser Dov Weisglass has told Haaretz.”

https://www.haaretz.com/2004-10-06/ty-article/top-pm-aide-gaza-plan-aims-to-freeze-the-peace-process/0000017f-e56c-dea7-adff-f5ff1fc40000

How is funding a terrorist org and not even properly guarding the border caring about security? It’s clear to everyone Israel decided they’d rather take small losses in exchange for not having a lasting peace with Gaza. Of course eventually they slipped up and things went haywire.

If they wanted Hamas to be more moderate they could have not abused the PLO after it gave up armed resistance, accepted negotiations Hamas offered multiple times, not shot at peaceful protestors 

2. I’m not, but I’m saying generally it is Israël.

https://www.fairobserver.com/region/middle_east_north_africa/noam-chomsky-ceasefires-violations-never-cease-47231/#

3. That’s the same way Hamas would justify oct 7 
 

 

[Bobby_2021]

Is hamas over yet? Or is there still shooting going on.

And what's up with Hezbollah? I hope the IDF won't get smoked again like they did in 2006. They are 10x powerful than the other guys.

[Hatfort]

1 hour ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Is hamas over yet? Or is there still shooting going on.

And what's up with Hezbollah? I hope the IDF won't get smoked again like they did in 2006. They are 10x powerful than the other guys.

No, Hamas is not over yet. They are still functioning, they must have quite a remarkable tunnel system underground. But their capability is very limited, they can resist, but no way win. They win by resisting.

The IDF and Hezbollah have been measuring each other at their border for months. Hezbollah has shown to be more capable than most people would have thought. Netanyahu seemed ready to go, he needs a state of war for his political survival. I think the IDF would have cued him though. One thing is to fight a cornered precarious group of fighters in a small location, and murder its unarmed civilians who can't defend themselves, another is to fight a well-prepared army and die by thousands. In one word, they are cowards. It could also escalate to a full air combat war that could destroy both countries, because Lebanon is not Gaza, it has more than a few rockets.

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[Nivsch]

3 hours ago, Raze said:

Constant barrages on a blockaded population will obviously only lead to violence.

Chiken and egg

3 hours ago, Raze said:

99% of the rockets don’t hit anyone

if Hamas killing 3 civilians is major I wonder what settlers and idf yearly killing of dozens to hundreds of Palestinians is 

Luckily but the 1% is deadly enough. 

3 hours ago, Raze said:

clear to everyone Israel decided they’d rather take small losses in exchange for not having a lasting peace with Gaza. Of course eventually they slipped up and things went haywire.

If they wanted Hamas to be more moderate they could have not abused the PLO after it gave up armed resistance,

The right wing*

3 hours ago, Raze said:

That’s the same way Hamas would justify oct 7

hamas do many other animalistic things (and not less severe!) to their own people too, just a live example I saw today when they bitted Gazans with sticks for taking humanitarian aid after they draw the word "theft" on their (the civilians) backs. By the way rape is not because of just frustration from Israel policy.

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[Danioover9000]

@Bobby_2021

1 hour ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Is hamas over yet? Or is there still shooting going on.

And what's up with Hezbollah? I hope the IDF won't get smoked again like they did in 2006. They are 10x powerful than the other guys.

   Now that's an actually interesting match up. Last time IDF invaded Lebanon and separated Lebanon into south and north, they made it easier for militia to group into different groups. Eventually Hezbollah emerged and is now IMO a more powerful terrorist group there. Yeah, I'd like to see the IDF try a second time to fuck around with Lebanon again, see what happens.😂

[Gennadiy1981]

4 hours ago, Karmadhi said:

https://x.com/LibyaLiberty/status/1717784734661484884

Who the hell is this guy? I saw he is politican.

Dont you think this is genocidal language and normal to use on live TV from a politican?

@Nivsch

Oh actually that’s a friend of mine, Moshe Feiglin, yes he was a politician before. I hunted out with him, even have photos to prove. Haven’t spoken to him in a long time. Wow I see he is so passionate, he actually was not that passionate before, something changed in him, probably personal with recent events. 

He is actually very cool otherwise, he was the one fighting to legalize weed and other stuff, he is a former hippy as well, but that’s as far as I will go. 

[Vrubel]

32 minutes ago, Gennadiy1981 said:

Oh actually that’s a friend of mine, Moshe Feiglin, yes he was a politician before. I hunted out with him, even have photos to prove. Haven’t spoken to him in a long time. Wow I see he is so passionate, he actually was not that passionate before, something changed in him, probably personal with recent events. 

He is actually very cool otherwise, he was the one fighting to legalize weed and other stuff, he is a former hippy as well, but that’s as far as I will go. 

Damn… in what circles did you hang. You got my curiosity, I would love to get a beer with you

[Danioover9000]

@Gennadiy1981

35 minutes ago, Gennadiy1981 said:

Oh actually that’s a friend of mine, Moshe Feiglin, yes he was a politician before. I hunted out with him, even have photos to prove. Haven’t spoken to him in a long time. Wow I see he is so passionate, he actually was not that passionate before, something changed in him, probably personal with recent events. 

He is actually very cool otherwise, he was the one fighting to legalize weed and other stuff, he is a former hippy as well, but that’s as far as I will go. 

Fake news.

[Gennadiy1981]

1 hour ago, Vrubel said:

Damn… in what circles did you hang. You got my curiosity, I would love to get a beer with you

I hang out in many circles and why only beer, we can get “e” as well, even better. Actually I used to be an activist and used to help Moshe, he had org aization which eventually became a political party called Manhugut Yehudit, he is actually a very cool person, he is into a lot of things. I haven’t spoken to him in a while and from the video that I saw I see he changed a bit, but it’s ok many people do. And by the way I hang out even in bigger circles, I also used to do lobbying on Capitol Hill, beat that.

 

1 hour ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Gennadiy1981

Fake news.

@Danioover9000 you are now my friend as well and I don’t care what you say otherwise, friend. 

[Merkabah Star]

On 6/7/2024 at 5:39 AM, Danioover9000 said:

@Gennadiy1981

Fake news.

Gennadiy1981 is cool. I doubt he would say anything that wasn’t true. You love him, admit it. Go on. 😂

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[Nivsch]

"There Is a Future" Lapid's centrist party in the traditional saturday evening demonstration for the hostages and against Netanyahu.

[Bobby_2021]

On 7/5/2024 at 11:58 PM, Hatfort said:

No, Hamas is not over yet. They are still functioning, they must have quite a remarkable tunnel system underground. But their capability is very limited, they can resist, but no way win. They win by resisting.

Eliminating hamas was a lofty goal from the beginning. I thought they could make it.

On 7/5/2024 at 11:58 PM, Hatfort said:

Netanyahu seemed ready to go, he needs a state of war for his political survival

He is nuts. 

On 7/6/2024 at 0:10 AM, Danioover9000 said:

@Bobby_2021

   Now that's an actually interesting match up. Last time IDF invaded Lebanon and separated Lebanon into south and north, they made it easier for militia to group into different groups. Eventually Hezbollah emerged and is now IMO a more powerful terrorist group there. Yeah, I'd like to see the IDF try a second time to fuck around with Lebanon again, see what happens.😂

Seriously worried about the existence of Israel. 

Hezbollah is a whole different beast. I hope Bibi won't mess this up.

[Gennadiy1981]

12 hours ago, Merkabah Star said:

Gennadiy1981 is cool. I doubt he would say anything that wasn’t true. You love him, admit it. Go on. 😂

Not to beat on the dead horse, but @Karmadhi posted this video about Moshe Feiglin whom I know very well and why was so he radical in it, I actually called him and asked but unfortunately his grandson was killed in the battle field during the fire exchange with Hamas militants. (Moshe got married super early and so did his children), so he was actually very frustrated and was very pissed off, but it’s one thing when someone else gets killed vs a family member and here was his grandson. That’s why he released such a video that he did. 
Just for your info, Moshe is a very cool guy, if he would be on this forum you would find him more in Psychedelic section post, he is very outspoken on it, of course when he was in politics and was asked by reporters he denied ever taking them because you know, you get a label, but he officially says that as per studies they can give profound experience and people have the right to do with their bodies whatever they please as long as they don’t hurt others. But you can also see that events which lead to survival can bring people to desperate calls and move. Even Leo said that those who reach higher stages of spiral dynamics, if faced with survival may fall into lower stages.

Again had to reply since the posted video was about someone I know personally, couldn’t let it go without looking into it.