Israel / Palestine News Thread

[Nivsch]

[Nivsch]

On 26.6.2024 at 3:43 PM, Vrubel said:

Yeah of course. Keep in mind, the scope for a genuine discussion about this complex and multi-faceted issue is very limited because their dopamine system rewards them with a quick high after they mindlessly spout something anti-Israel or anti-Western (even though they are probably Westerners themselves).

I call this "the Aljazeera effect". When a narrow and aggressive stage red/blue agenda has a tailored-made pretense for the purpose of recruitment of "useful idiots" with a communal/societal/civilizational void and severe vulnerability to emotional manipulation.

Aljazeera Arabic doesn't need to do this elaborate pretense and is comfortably open with their blatantly anti-Semitic agenda, Holocaust-denying and what more to stoke the passions and distract the riffraff masses in the region. 

At least it makes me feel so grateful that I am who I am and that my mind works a certain way. I saw your pictures, we have a beautiful country! 

Yes when there is an intentional Blackening of the second side with a creation of tunnel view (what aljazeera in expert in) just like walking in the coastal road but focusing purposely with a magnifying glass on the spider climbing on a rock, and then they wonder why they encounter resistance from the opposite side. Luckily strong winds today as you can see on the waves, what allowed me to walk there with that super high heat.

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[Danioover9000]

@Karmadhi

12 hours ago, Karmadhi said:

Azof is the Hamas equivalent in Ukraine. Far right anti Russian radicals.

They may not be quite as ruthless as Hamas are but that is because Ukranians until 2022 did not have to endure the shit Palestinians did.

Also, Ukraine is more developed society than Palestine to be honest.

Therefore, the hatred and as a result the brutality of their far right groups is lower.

I wonder at this point where Ukranians have actually been through shit by Russia, if Azof got their hands on Russian civilians like Hamas did on October 7th, whether they would massacre them in mass or keep their professionalism.

I do not have an answer to that question.

   It's interesting to think about, what if Palestinians did have their own state, would they be more like the Ukraine and Ukrainians? And if Azof was as brutal as HAMMAs, and did what HAMMAs did on Oct 7 to Russia, would Russia be as or more ruthless than Israel?

[Danioover9000]

@Nivsch

5 hours ago, Nivsch said:

    What was the message about mainly?

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[Nivsch]

@Danioover9000 These are demostrations leaded by the anti-government public. They do it every week.

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[Danioover9000]

@Vrubel

On 2024-06-26 at 1:43 PM, Vrubel said:

Haha yes, they even get triggered by Germany strongly stating Israel has the right to exist.
 

Yeah of course. Keep in mind, the scope for a genuine discussion about this complex and multi-faceted issue is very limited because their dopamine system rewards them with a quick high after they mindlessly spout something anti-Israel or anti-Western (even though they are probably Westerners themselves).

I call this "the Aljazeera effect". When a narrow and aggressive stage red/blue agenda has a tailored-made pretense for the purpose of recruitment of "useful idiots" with a communal/societal/civilizational void and severe vulnerability to emotional manipulation.

Aljazeera Arabic doesn't need to do this elaborate pretense and is comfortably open with their blatantly anti-Semitic agenda, Holocaust-denying and what more to stoke the passions and distract the riffraff masses in the region. 

At least it makes me feel so grateful that I am who I am and that my mind works a certain way. I saw your pictures, we have a beautiful country! 

   WTF are you talking about? Of course Al Jazeera would have a bias, just like any other news outlet!

    Considering the propaganda campaign machine that is Israel's Zionists, how they totally infiltrated western media with their lobby group, how they have great influence on information flow, OF COURSE AL JAZEERA WOULD BE A BIT MORE BIASED! It's not that surprising mate! I can say the exact same thing with hoe Israel portrayed OCT 7, HAMMAs, and they do their bit on spreading misinformation, and omitting crucial details to journalists. Hell, even some journalists trying to report on what's ACTUALLY happening on ground...GET SHOT AT!

   So if I were you, I'd watch with the negative labels and judgements and being bad faith too quickly to 1 source of information, when you're side was aggressively spreading propaganda.

[Danioover9000]

@Gennadiy1981

18 hours ago, Gennadiy1981 said:

Your guess is totally off, like really off. I wonder if its in guessing people's occupation or in everything else you do.

I am totally not a middle man, I am an engineer, doing design for construction. 

   Sure, I can definitely tell from where I'm at.👋😊

[Vrubel]

1 hour ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Vrubel

   WTF are you talking about? Of course Al Jazeera would have a bias, just like any other news outlet!

The issue is not even about bias but about not being honest.

Al Jazeera has its (Qatari, Islamic, Arab) agenda and bias. Fair enough.

Al Jazeera Arabic is honest. Straight as can be, they will have a commentator denying or celebrating the Holocaust and nobody will bat an eye.  

Aljazeera English is dishonest. It has a tailor-made pretense. This of course to facilitate the Western extreme left - Islamist alliance. The prior serves as the useful idiots for the latter. 

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[Karmadhi]

8 hours ago, Vrubel said:

think Azov gets a lot of hate from the (extreme) left because they have a shadow for genuine stage blue nationalistic virtue and strength.

No they do because they got Nazi tattoss and glorify Nazi collaborators like Bandera.

Also there are a lot of war crime allegations to them during the Donbass War.

"In 2016, Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch received several credible allegations of abuse and torture by the regiment.[241] Reports published by the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) documented looting of civilian homes and unlawful detention and torture of civilians between September 2014 and February 2015 "by Ukrainian armed forces and the Azov regiment in and around Shyrokyne".[242][243]

Another OHCHR report documented an instance of rape and torture, writing: "A man with a mental disability was subject to cruel treatment, rape and other forms of sexual violence by 8 to 10 members of the 'Azov' and the 'Donbas' battalions (both Ukrainian battalions) in August–September 2014. The victim's health subsequently deteriorated and he was hospitalized in a psychiatric hospital."[243] A report from January 2015 stated that a Donetsk Republic supporter was detained and tortured with electricity and waterboarding and struck repeatedly on his genitals, which resulted in his confessing to spying for pro-Russian militants.[243]: 20 "

They disgrace the Ukranian military and gave them the Nazi stigma which Russia greatly exploited in their propaganda war.

Ukraine s reputation greatly suffered from them.

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[Vrubel]

16 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

No they do because they got Nazi tattoss and glorify Nazi collaborators like Bandera.

Also there are a lot of war crime allegations to them during the Donbass War.

"In 2016, Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch received several credible allegations of abuse and torture by the regiment.[241] Reports published by the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) documented looting of civilian homes and unlawful detention and torture of civilians between September 2014 and February 2015 "by Ukrainian armed forces and the Azov regiment in and around Shyrokyne".[242][243]

Another OHCHR report documented an instance of rape and torture, writing: "A man with a mental disability was subject to cruel treatment, rape and other forms of sexual violence by 8 to 10 members of the 'Azov' and the 'Donbas' battalions (both Ukrainian battalions) in August–September 2014. The victim's health subsequently deteriorated and he was hospitalized in a psychiatric hospital."[243] A report from January 2015 stated that a Donetsk Republic supporter was detained and tortured with electricity and waterboarding and struck repeatedly on his genitals, which resulted in his confessing to spying for pro-Russian militants.[243]: 20 "

They disgrace the Ukranian military and gave them the Nazi stigma which Russia greatly exploited in their propaganda war.

Ukraine s reputation greatly suffered from them.

When your country faces a full-scale invasion it offers you some pathways for redemption. Again, I have not seen or heard anything outrageous from them and I am Jewish and I am Russian, so I am extremely sensitive to this stuff. All I see is Ukrainians defending their land and Putin being the one waging war on an otherwise chill brotherly nation and butchering a whole generation of Russian men. 

Ironically Putin's first priority should have been fixing the demographic issues facing Russia and securing its place as a powerful and much-respected player in the Western world order. 

 

21 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

Ukraine s reputation greatly suffered from them.

Some outraged Wokies can be ignored, nobody serious cares about them. 

[Raze]

 

[Merkabah Star]

ABC News' Ines de La Cuetara speaks with members of a primarily female unit tasked with monitoring Gaza's border and their alleged warnings before Hamas' Oct. 7 attack on Israel.
 

This Brave IDF soldier tells how they warned them. 

Edited June 28 by Merkabah Star

[Raze]

Former head of Shin Bet interview

 

[Yimpa]

“US keeps pause on one bomb shipment to Israel while it is under review”

[Danioover9000]

@Raze

On 2024-06-28 at 7:40 PM, Raze said:

 

   All that def is terrible. I don't know if it's wise showing London as the scale used to show the area of bombing for 6 days straight. Feels like a FU to the older generation that did go through Nazi Germany's London bombing.

[Danioover9000]

@Merkabah Star

On 2024-06-28 at 9:19 PM, Merkabah Star said:

ABC News' Ines de La Cuetara speaks with members of a primarily female unit tasked with monitoring Gaza's border and their alleged warnings before Hamas' Oct. 7 attack on Israel.
 

This Brave IDF soldier tells how they warned them. 

   OH no! Not only do we have enough proof for genocide, but NOW we might have military racketeering as the addition charge as well! If any of that is true, it's absolutely a BAD LOOK for Netanyahu and the Likud party!😂 

[Merkabah Star]

@Danioover9000 everything is a bad look for them. Atrocious.. 

[Karmadhi]

On 6/28/2024 at 6:04 PM, Vrubel said:

Ironically Putin's first priority should have been fixing the demographic issues facing Russia and securing its place as a powerful and much-respected player in the Western world order. 

 

Annexing 40 million people seems to be a good solution for that 

If only you were critical of the equally fascist and ruthless Israeli government as you are of the Russian one.

[Vrubel]

7 hours ago, Karmadhi said:

Annexing 40 million people seems to be a good solution for that 

How is that going for him?

Btw Ukraine too is facing a demographic collapse. I hope they will recover quickly after the war. I hope the same for Russians.
A part of the reason why It's deeply problematic that Putin still has this 19th-century war-is-the-norm mentality is because back then most common folk had 7 to 12 children. So even after a devastating war with muskets and "meatgrinder tactics", they could recover quite quickly. In the 21st century, war is less tenable, especially in Europe and especially now Russians have below-replacement birthrates and emigrate in significant numbers. 
 

7 hours ago, Karmadhi said:

If only you were critical of the equally fascist and ruthless Israeli government as you are of the Russian one.

First of all, Israeli government and more crucially their governing system is a whole dimension apart from the Russian one.

But I was (and still am) critical of the Israeli government but Israel was barbaricly invaded bursting a certain bubble of perceived security and now needs to thoroughly shake down the terror groups at its doorstep. 

This government is problematic in some ways but this even more so means you should not provoke it. I feel sorry for the truly innocent civilians in Gaza but I don't see any reason to join them in their victimization cult and all the massive hypocritical bullshit accompanying that. 

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[Nivsch]

On 28.6.2024 at 11:19 PM, Merkabah Star said:

ABC News' Ines de La Cuetara speaks with members of a primarily female unit tasked with monitoring Gaza's border and their alleged warnings before Hamas' Oct. 7 attack on Israel.
 

This Brave IDF soldier tells how they warned them. 

A decent good journalist report.

Those soldiers indeed sent many warnings before, but got dismissed by the commanders above them.

Edited June 30 by Nivsch