Israel / Palestine News Thread

[Vrubel]

3 hours ago, Nivsch said:

@Vrubel And today Rishon Letzion beach. There are prettier zones there but somehow the boardwalk renewing created a nice view.

Looks a bit messy now but I am sure it will turn out beautiful haha. I actually really like the iron-rich red soil they often use for landscaping in Israel. Much of the area between Tel Aviv and Haifa has naturally this kind of red soil.  

[Twentyfirst]

8 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

Everything is somehow dangerous.

Would you agree to be given a land from strangers in any random place they will decide for you or that you would want a land in where YOU want and feel connected to?

About the taking more land I agree with you that the right wing policy to ever expand the settlement is bad.

You don't get what I am saying. You replied that the UN gave you the land so it is okay for you to come and steal. But then you guys broke the UN rules by doing settlements. So you can't follow the UN rules by coming and then break them by expanding. You either respect and follow the rules always or never.

Listen if some random government told me that I have full authority to go to someone's house and take it as long as I can kick them out. No I would never take it under any circumstance. I am not a garbage human thief 

[Nivsch]

32 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

You don't get what I am saying. You replied that the UN gave you the land so it is okay for you to come and steal. But then you guys broke the UN rules by doing settlements. So you can't follow the UN rules by coming and then break them by expanding. You either respect and follow the rules always or never.

Listen if some random government told me that I have full authority to go to someone's house and take it as long as I can kick them out. No I would never take it under any circumstance. I am not a garbage human thief 

I replied it to your message about the UN laws. About the "stolen" narrative we think differently and I explained you why.

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[Nivsch]

25 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

break them by expanding

I can agree with you here that the expanding of the settlements are not ok.

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[Evan Gill]

1 hour ago, Nivsch said:

@Twentyfirst What do you think about your family/child/wife?

What people in Italy think about their family?

Quite similarly here too.

You grasp Israelis in a very stereotipical way. I did my mandatory service in IDF in a non-combatant role.

@Nivsch Do you get to choose your role in IDF or they pick it for you?

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[Nivsch]

1 minute ago, Evan Gill said:

@Nivsch I've always wondered, do you get to choose your role in IDF or they pick it for you?

They pick it for you, but not entirely because you can nevigate the chances by questionnaries, interviews, exams you go through and subjects you choose to expand in high school.

[Twentyfirst]

50 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

I can agree with you here that the expanding of the settlements are not ok.

Have you protested this against your government? Realizing that it is not okay and it is putting you in danger?

[Nivsch]

19 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

Have you protested this against your government? Realizing that it is not okay and it is putting you in danger?

This subject cannot be even reminded without the person will be called far leftist because it is very sensitive to some, so instead the parties in the center and the left try to advance the two state solution to solve this problem and create a seperation between Israelis and Palestinians. But anyway these days the focus is almost only on the kidnapped and the desire to remove Netanyahu because without this nothing will change.

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[Twentyfirst]

2 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

This subject cannot be even reminded without the person will be called far leftist, so instead the parties in the center and the left try to advance the two state solution to solve this problem and create a seperation between Israelis and Palestinians. But anyway these days the focus is almost only on the kidnapped and the desire to remove Netanyahu because without this nothing will change.

But shouldn't the focus be on stopping the bombings? Seeing as how Oct 7th happened only because Israel was greedy and wasn't satisfied with 78% of the land

[Raze]

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Sources: Internal IDF Report Finds Two Gazans Died After Being Beaten en Route to Israeli Prison

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[Nivsch]

17 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

But shouldn't the focus be on stopping the bombings? Seeing as how Oct 7th happened only because Israel was greedy and wasn't satisfied with 78% of the land

hamas is interested in 1948

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[Nivsch]

1 hour ago, Vrubel said:

Looks a bit messy now but I am sure it will turn out beautiful haha. I actually really like the iron-rich red soil they often use for landscaping in Israel. Much of the area between Tel Aviv and Haifa has naturally this kind of red soil.  

I tried in the past to buy this red soil and to spread in our garden but it just got mixed with the brown soil and faded ):

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[Twentyfirst]

9 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

hamas is interested in 1948

So you trust your government which stole land beyond the 78% by expanding versus Hamas who refuses to be lay down for occupation and just take it? 

[Nivsch]

@Twentyfirst  I didn't understand what you meant here.

[Merkabah Star]

5 hours ago, Nivsch said:

And today Rishon Letzion beach. There are prettier zones there but somehow the boardwalk renewing created a nice view.

When are the landscapers coming to finish it? Looks like a post apocalypse, hell hole. 😳

[Gennadiy1981]

@Nivsch you are being extremely nice by answering the question @Twentyfirst keep asking you but you guys are speaking on two different languages. I think it would make more sense that he would start writing in Italian and you would write in Hebrew and do not use translation. It would totally be the same. @Nivsch you are trying to be on defensive, I mean you bent a lot to answer and to some point be apologetic as much as you can but @Twentyfirst main issue is the existence of Israel as a whole. This is what many people fail to understand that Palestinians including Hamas and PLO are speaking of entire Israel, not only Hebron and as he hem but Tel Aviv and Haifa. I see he keeps asking the same thing and you reply but they questions of the same nature keep going on and on, so that’s why I suggested to switch to languages as it will not make much difference go further.

I don’t know why but Israel is such a delicate topic, by the way that is what the Bible meant for Israel to be chosen, not that we are better than Gentiles but because Israel has to be a model for nations. Look at this, we do not mention so much about any other country but Israel. And then others keep saying Bible is full of s***.
 

@Twentyfirst I do not look at it as we are thieves. We lived there, got kicked out and came back. And you keep saying that we destroyed country Palestine, but Palestine as a country never existed, it was a region with only few towns populated. And what you call West Bank, was never under Palestinian control, so we never occupied it, we liberated it from Jordanians who illegally occupied. And finally, even under international laws, when another country attacks first and then they loose, then we can take some of their territory, that has been a normal practice in the past, just one out of billion examples when US fought Mexico and Mexico lost, the US took a huge chunk of land and made six states out of it. The moral of this story, don’t start a war first.

[hundreth]

44 minutes ago, Gennadiy1981 said:

@Nivsch you are being extremely nice by answering the question @Twentyfirst keep asking you but you guys are speaking on two different languages. I think it would make more sense that he would start writing in Italian and you would write in Hebrew and do not use translation. It would totally be the same. @Nivsch you are trying to be on defensive, I mean you bent a lot to answer and to some point be apologetic as much as you can but @Twentyfirst main issue is the existence of Israel as a whole. This is what many people fail to understand that Palestinians including Hamas and PLO are speaking of entire Israel, not only Hebron and as he hem but Tel Aviv and Haifa. I see he keeps asking the same thing and you reply but they questions of the same nature keep going on and on, so that’s why I suggested to switch to languages as it will not make much difference go further.

I don’t know why but Israel is such a delicate topic, by the way that is what the Bible meant for Israel to be chosen, not that we are better than Gentiles but because Israel has to be a model for nations. Look at this, we do not mention so much about any other country but Israel. And then others keep saying Bible is full of s***.
 

@Twentyfirst I do not look at it as we are thieves. We lived there, got kicked out and came back. And you keep saying that we destroyed country Palestine, but Palestine as a country never existed, it was a region with only few towns populated. And what you call West Bank, was never under Palestinian control, so we never occupied it, we liberated it from Jordanians who illegally occupied. And finally, even under international laws, when another country attacks first and then they loose, then we can take some of their territory, that has been a normal practice in the past, just one out of billion examples when US fought Mexico and Mexico lost, the US took a huge chunk of land and made six states out of it. The moral of this story, don’t start a war first.

You are both wasting your time as he is a blatant holocaust denier and has proposed several times in this thread that Hitler had justified motivations. It is really far beyond the scope of Israel.

I ignore both him and @Danioover9000 who is currently on some weird child sacrifice ranting flavor of anti-semitism. 

I find it kind of funny how they're all here patting each other on the back for posting cherry picked Israeli quotes, meanwhile among their ranks here is some of the vilest propaganda in plain sight.

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[Gennadiy1981]

Thanks @hundreth those who deny holocaust have no place in civilized world. And it’s precise of people like that, that we need strong and safe Israel that can defeat against its enemies. It’s people like that, that help Zionism to prosper and I guess at the end of the day bringing Messiah, lol.

[Raze]

24 minutes ago, Gennadiy1981 said:

Thanks @hundreth those who deny holocaust have no place in civilized world. And it’s precise of people like that, that we need strong and safe Israel that can defeat against its enemies. It’s people like that, that help Zionism to prosper and I guess at the end of the day bringing Messiah, lol.

You said you support Israel ethically cleansing all Palestinians. Supporting war crimes is worse than denying them. 

[Danioover9000]

@Gennadiy1981 @hundreth

40 minutes ago, Gennadiy1981 said:

Thanks @hundreth those who deny holocaust have no place in civilized world. And it’s precise of people like that, that we need strong and safe Israel that can defeat against its enemies. It’s people like that, that help Zionism to prosper and I guess at the end of the day bringing Messiah, lol.

   Excuse me? I'm a holocaust denier and anti-Semite? Bring proof here that I've denied the holocaust in this thread, or am actually anti-Semite here. If not, then you guys are even more petty then me or @zazen, @Raze, @Twentyfirst, even @Merkabah Star. Like low low low, but at least you guys aren't as bad as ancestors that burn children for Moloch worship in Gehenna so...