Israel / Palestine News Thread

[Nivsch]

@Vrubel And today Rishon Letzion beach. There are prettier zones there but somehow the boardwalk renewing created a nice view.

Edited June 22 by Nivsch

[Twentyfirst]

@Nivsch Why don't you go out and fight on the battlefield like a real man? 

[Twentyfirst]

How do these Israelis even function in society. Like if you want to have a family your wife must know your a pussy because you don't fight your own battles but instead CRY for others to help you. When you have a newborn is it like automatically a victim? Or do you wait until a couple years before calling it a victim? How does that part work. Do you tell the children the real reason why they will grow up to be hated? Like how does it all work  

[Nivsch]

@Twentyfirst What do you think about your family/child/wife?

What people in Italy think about their family?

Quite similarly here too.

You grasp Israelis in a very stereotipical way. I did my mandatory service in IDF in a non-combatant role.

Edited June 22 by Nivsch

[Twentyfirst]

2 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

@Twentyfirst What do you think about your family/child/wife?

What people in Italy think about their family?

Quite similarly here too.

You grasp Israelis in a very stereotipical way. I did my mandatory service in IDF in a non-combatant role.

So everyone's stereotypical judgments about Israelis are wrong? Everyone that has something to criticize simply "doesn't know what it's truly like to be Israeli". The entire world sees you as something and you people are the only ones who see yourselves as something else. Who is wrong and who is right?

 

[Yimpa]

2 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

The entire world sees you as something and you people are the only ones who see yourselves as something else. Who is wrong and who is right?

Everyone 

[Nivsch]

@Twentyfirst The picture from far away will always look more simplistic and narratived, but this isn't the truth of the high resolution private life you see when you live with an Israeli (or an Italian, or a Spanish) and you see the person himself and his individual world.

Edited June 22 by Nivsch

[Twentyfirst]

Just now, Nivsch said:

@Twentyfirst The picture from far away will always look more simplistic and narratived, but this isn't the truth of the high resolution complex private life you see when you live with an Israeli (or and Italian, or Spanish man).

You live on stolen land and the only way to remain living there is by killing innocent children. 

[Nivsch]

6 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

You live on stolen land and the only way to remain living there is by killing innocent children. 

Jews were here the majority for centuries and then became a minority for more centuries. We can also claim that we came back to the land other people has "stolen" from us. This is what happen on any land on earth throughout history and the way almost every country has been established.

Edited June 22 by Nivsch

[Twentyfirst]

14 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

Jews were here the majority for centuries and then became a minority for more centuries. We can also claim that we came back to the land other people has "stolen" from us. This is what happen on any land on earth throughout history and the way almost every country has been established.

There are European Jews and Palestinian Jews. Which one are you?

Then why cry victim after Oct 7th if it's all just fair play? 

Edited June 22 by Twentyfirst

[Twentyfirst]

@Loveeee "Give them hell" - Jordan Peterson 

[Yimpa]

@Raze I can’t believe you started this war 

[Loveeee]

 

[Twentyfirst]

25 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

Jews were here the majority for centuries and then became a minority for more centuries. We can also claim that we came back to the land other people has "stolen" from us. This is what happen on any land on earth throughout history and the way almost every country has been established.

So if some random huge military country swoops in and takes all of the 78% Israeli part of Palestine and the settlements in the West Bank then that too is justified? 

[Nivsch]

10 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

So if some random huge military country swoops in and takes all of the 78% Israeli part of Palestine and the settlements in the West Bank then that too is justified? 

This isn't what happened. Jews and Arabs actions escalated together from 1920s until the peak in 1947.

But anyway if Israelis cease to be strong enough to defend their country so yes, this is how the middle east works. And Europe too by the way, just that European countries are protected by NATO alliance.

Edited June 22 by Nivsch

[Twentyfirst]

1 minute ago, Nivsch said:

This isn't what happened. Jews and Arabs actions escalated together from 1920s until the peak in 1947.

But anyway if Israelis cease to be strong enough to defend their country so yes, this is how the middle east works. And Europe too by the way, just that Europeen countries are protected by NATO alliance.

What about UN laws? 

[Yimpa]

Just now, Twentyfirst said:

What about UN laws? 

What about the social norms?

[Nivsch]

5 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

What about UN laws? 

UN permitted the Jews the state of Israel in 1947.

You are right the international laws are important to prevent injustices in the future but in reality the only way to ensure that is to know how to defend yourself. Eventually you can only fully trust yourself.

Edited June 22 by Nivsch

[Twentyfirst]

1 minute ago, Nivsch said:

UN gave Israel a state in 1947.

You are right the international law are important to prevent injustices in the future but in reality the only way to ensure that is to know how to defend yourself. Eventually you can only fully trust yourself.

So if the UN gave Israel a state then why did Israel take more land than what was given? 

You can't trust yourself. A true peaceful person would not put themselves in a dangerous position. You are in the most dangerous position in the world. 

[Nivsch]

Just now, Twentyfirst said:

So if the UN gave Israel a state then why did Israel take more land than what was given? 

You can't trust yourself. A true peaceful person would not put themselves in a dangerous position. You are in the most dangerous position in the world. 

Everything is somehow dangerous.

Would you agree to be given a land from strangers in any random place they will decide for you or that you would want a land in where YOU want and feel connected to?

About the taking more land I agree with you that the right wing policy to ever expand the settlement is bad.