Israel / Palestine News Thread

[lina]

@Inliytened1 @Leo Gura not the attack itself but the mass civilian killing. Regardless of their SD, there is still no equivalence here because one side has been oppressing the other. One side is resisting the unjust status-quo and the other  in their head is defending but in that defense they end up becoming the aggressor again and again. Could it be worse? Sure yes but slow and discreet violence should not be underestimated either. Also, killing every civilian in sight will not be good for their PR. 

Edited May 28 by lina

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, lina said:

Also, killing every civilian in sight will not be good for their PR.

That doesn't stop Hamas

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41 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

To think I designed all this 

This one's on me guys

Yes, existence is a c*nt. Thanks. 🤡

[Loveeee]

22 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Still higher consciousness than a barbarian rape horde.

50,000 dead ? How about 100,000 ? What's your threshold ?

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On Sunday night and Monday morning, Israeli social media was filled with jokes and memes mocking the massacre in Rafah.

An Israeli journalist with close ties to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has made boastful remarks on Sunday, rejoicing the Israeli attack in Rafah, which resulted in the killing of dozens of Palestinian civilians.

At least 45 people, primarily women and children, were killed, and many others were injured in the strike on a camp for displaced Palestinians in the southern Gaza city of Rafah on Sunday.

Israeli journalist and politician Yinon Magal posted a video on his X account, showing Palestinian medical teams frantically trying to rescue civilians from tents engulfed in flames after the attack.

Magal commented on the video, saying, “The main lighting ceremony this year (is) in Rafah,”, referring to the Jewish holiday of Lag BaOmer, which involves bonfires.

Magal is only one of the many Isrealis who gloated over the killing of scores of Palestinian civilians in Rafah. 

On Sunday night and Monday morning, Israeli social media was filled with jokes and memes mocking the massacre in Rafah.

Another journalist, Naveh Dromi from i24, shared a video of the blaze with the caption ‘Happy Holiday. This post was also later removed.

Yoav Eliasi, a far-right rapper and activist known by his stage name ‘The Shadow,’ posted videos of the Rafah fire on Telegram, framing the tragic attack as a Lag BaOmer bonfire.

https://www.palestinechronicle.com/outrage-on-social-media-israeli-figures-mock-rafah-massacre/

 

[Leo Gura]

15 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

50,000 dead ? How about 100,000 ? What's your threshold ?

Quality, not quantity

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The young Turks talking on the Rafah bombing on the tent camp.

 

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IDF kill Egyptian soldier at border. Oh boy. Thats going to go down well.

The Israeli Defense Forces claim that Egyptian soldiers opened fire on Israeli soldiers, prompting a response in kind. Other Israeli reports suggest Egyptian security fired on a truck and IDF responded with warning fire. Israel launched an investigation and a dialogue with Egypt is reportedly underway.

 

 

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An Egyptian soldier stationed on a watchtower had reacted to seeing an armoured vehicle carrying Israeli troops cross a boundary line near the border while the soldiers pursued and killed several Palestinians, two Egyptian security sources said.

The soldier opened fire and Israeli forces fired back, killing him, the sources said, sparking an exchange of gunfire between the two sides. Several Israeli soldiers were wounded and the force fell back, and one Egyptian was wounded, the sources said.

Israel seized control of the Rafah border crossing from the Gaza side of the border earlier this month as it stepped up its military offensive in the area, drawing strong criticism from Egypt.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/egyptian-guard-killed-shooting-rafah-border-israel-egypt-investigating-2024-05-27/

 

[Nivsch]

5 hours ago, Loveeee said:

50,000 dead ? How about 100,000 ? What's your threshold ?

Ask your European leaders too what is their threshold in Iraq, and don't just invent numbers. The civillians estimated number is 10-15K to this time. 

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[Loveeee]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Quality, not quantity

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_war_crimes

Israeli war crimes are the violations of international criminal law, including war crimes, crimes against humanity and the crime of genocide, which the Israel Defense Forces, the military branch of the state of Israel, has been accused of committing since the founding of Israel in 1948. These have included murder, intentional targeting of civilians, killing prisoners of war and surrendered combatants, indiscriminate attacks, collective punishment, starvation, the use of human shields, sexual violence and rape, torture, pillage, forced transfer, breach of medical neutrality, targeting journalists, attacking civilian and protected objects, wanton destruction, incitement to genocide, and genocide.

56 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

Ask your European leaders too what is their threshold in Iraq, and don't just invite numbers. The civillians estimated number is 10-15K to this time. 

Fuck them too, though this number is spread over years and doesn't come with 75 years of colonization, segregation, oppression, etc 

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[Nivsch]

6 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

of colonization, segregation, oppression, etc 

Of a conflict triggering both sides to react in uneffective harmful ways.

[Nivsch]

2 hours ago, Loveeee said:

intentional targeting of civilians, killing prisoners of war and surrendered combatants, indiscriminate attacks, collective punishment, starvation, the use of human shields, sexual violence and rape, torture, pillage, forced transfer, breach of medical neutrality, targeting journalists, attacking civilian and protected objects, wanton destruction, incitement to genocide, and genocide

Many things you wrote here are false, and part of them are maybe not false but more rare. Please provide proofs/links for them because your accusations here are very far reaching.

[Karmadhi]

27 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

Many things you wrote here are false, and part of them are maybe not false but more rare. Please provide proofs/links for them because your accusations here are very far reaching.

There is a case on the interntional criminal court citing most of this stuff. That is enough proof to at least consider it.

What proof do you have for Hamas beheading babies?

If you want to play the source game, two can play at that.

[Karmadhi]

7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

As bad as the bombing is, Israelis are not invading like a barbarian horde and executing every civilian in sight.

Bombing everything on sight is not much different than shooting everything on sight.

I do agree that Hamas is stage Red mostly but from what I have seen their actions looked more like a stage blue thing.

Israel tried to portray them as Stage Red to gain sympathy but now a lot of the things they said have either been debunked or simply lacked evidence.

Some things stage Red does is: Kill someone by beheading (no footage of someone actually being beheaded alive), Tie people and burn them alive (No footage of that either even though Israel claimed it happened) etc.

I have seen the footage that is out there and what I basically saw is their militants going in and shooting everyone they saw on sight.

That is basically a Nazi SS approach. Stage Red and what Israel tried to portray is a Mongolian/Viking approach. There is no footage to back that up.

It is indeed a war crime and should be condemened, I am not denying it. But it is not a Stage Red type of approach.

Stage Red would have released footage of crucified people, people being paraded without heads or people being trampled by cars etc.

This is how stage Red acts. For EG Isis showed live beheadings and showed people being excecuted by being put in a cage and burned alive.

I did not see any footage like this.

The worst thing I saw is a German Jewish girl being paraded in Gaza, her body seemed intact but it was clear she was killed by the point she was being paraded. That is a Stage Red type of action.

Regarding rape, I am sad to say it basically happens in every war. US troops did it, Russians do it, Israelis do it (Plenty of reports of rape in Gaza and even before in Israeli prisons), so it is still a common thing. Israel is not above Hamas when it comes to rape. I can send plenty of sources to back that up. However, Hamas did seem to have done rape too.

Now, if you have seen footage or concrete proof that shows more than what I said, I am very open to seeing it and changing what I wrote here. 

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[Nivsch]

2 hours ago, Karmadhi said:

There is a case on the interntional criminal court citing most of this stuff.

The only thing the court can cite at that stage is the prosecutor claims.

Prosecutor can claim Israel is responsible to the rise in sun spot events.

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[Danioover9000]

@Nivsch

1 hour ago, Nivsch said:

The only thing the court can cite at that stage is the prosecutor claims.

Prosecutor can claim Israel is responsible to the rise in sun spot events.

   You claim you don't like Netanyahu, yet you still try to defend Zionism and the Likud party by straw manning the ICJ court???

[Hatfort]

They bombed a refugee camp of tents that the IDF told them it was safe to be. Many died in the explosion, many died burned alive because the fire spread fast in the tents. Most of them women, including pregnant and children. and It's not the first one, but there's very graphic footage of this one, so it got more repercussions. Why the fuck did they tell them that place was safe and then killed them?

This is how the IDF has been operating, they are targeting and killing innocents on purpose. There's the mass grave beside the hospital with people handcuffed and shot dead. There's the six-year-old girl who called from a car surrounded by her dead family asking for help, Palestinians informed the IDF they were going to rescue her, and then they killed the girl and the two medics who volunteered to go and save her. What the fuck was that? There are reports of Palestinians who say how their clearly non-combatant family members have been shot. They have shot at hungry civilians asking for flour to eat. They bombed vehicles full of people that were moving from their homes to the South because they told them that would be safe. Now they attacked Rafah in the South, which was supposed to be a red line for Egypt and even the US, because they don't want to leave oven one spot in Gaza standing.

This is a genocide, you don't need the perpetrators admitting they are doing it with this exact word, although they have referenced genocidal passages, so there's that. Of course, they would prefer if they had left to Egypt, but since that's not happening, it's happening what we are seeing. The objective is the same, to get the land for themselves, and make it Israel, because they believe it belongs to them, some because of the Bible, others because they have been educated in the Zionist ideology, whether they are religious or not. There are so many disturbing images that the IDF soldiers take of themselves destroying buildings, they are claiming the land with the Torah in hand, they are looting the valuables they find, and disrespecting previous inhabitants belongings. The soldiers don't see Palestinians as their own, in fact they see them as their enemy, because it's clear in the long run they will never agree to live as second-class citizens whose lives don't matter, as they shouldn't.

It doesn't hold up that they are just targeting Hamas and rescuing the hostages for many reasons. They destroyed so much infrastructure necessary to live, homes, hospitals, and everything. They are not allowing necessities like water, food, and medicines, so starvation is suffered by the civilians. The Israelis are stopping trucks with food, that's disgusting to new levels never seen before. So it's the government, the army, and the civilians, they are on the same page. They are on it and they will continue as much as they are allowed to.

[Karmadhi]

@Hatfort

5 minutes ago, Hatfort said:

They bombed a refugee camp of tents that the IDF told them it was safe to be. Many died in the explosion, many died burned alive because the fire spread fast in the tents. Most of them women, including pregnant and children. and It's not the first one, but there's very graphic footage of this one, so it got more repercussions. Why the fuck did they tell them that place was safe and then killed them?

This is how the IDF has been operating, they are targeting and killing innocents on purpose. There's the mass grave beside the hospital with people handcuffed and shot dead. There's the six-year-old girl who called from a car surrounded by her dead family asking for help, Palestinians informed the IDF they were going to rescue her, and then they killed the girl and the two medics who volunteered to go and save her. What the fuck was that? There are reports of Palestinians who say how their clearly non-combatant family members have been shot. They have shot at hungry civilians asking for flour to eat. They bombed vehicles full of people that were moving from their homes to the South because they told them that would be safe. Now they attacked Rafah in the South, which was supposed to be a red line for Egypt and even the US, because they don't want to leave oven one spot in Gaza standing.

This is a genocide, you don't need the perpetrators admitting they are doing it with this exact word, although they have referenced genocidal passages, so there's that. Of course, they would prefer if they had left to Egypt, but since that's not happening, it's happening what we are seeing. The objective is the same, to get the land for themselves, and make it Israel, because they believe it belongs to them, some because of the Bible, others because they have been educated in the Zionist ideology, whether they are religious or not. There are so many disturbing images that the IDF soldiers take of themselves destroying buildings, they are claiming the land with the Torah in hand, they are looting the valuables they find, and disrespecting previous inhabitants belongings. The soldiers don't see Palestinians as their own, in fact they see them as their enemy, because it's clear in the long run they will never agree to live as second-class citizens whose lives don't matter, as they shouldn't.

It doesn't hold up that they are just targeting Hamas and rescuing the hostages for many reasons. They destroyed so much infrastructure necessary to live, homes, hospitals, and everything. They are not allowing necessities like water, food, and medicines, so starvation is suffered by the civilians. The Israelis are stopping trucks with food, that's disgusting to new levels never seen before. So it's the government, the army, and the civilians, they are on the same page. They are on it and they will continue as much as they are allowed to.

Beautifully said man. 

You do not need to go further than to hear the genocidal statements made by many high ranking Israeli politicians to see what is going on there. 

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Im surprised there aren’t sanctions on Israel yet.