Israel / Palestine News Thread

[Merkabah Star]

Bibi is such a liar. Always has been. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHEh2UzxO68

 

[Karmadhi]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

In Afghanistan before the US pulled out they accidentally bombed a whole Afghan family house and killed like a dozen family members for no good reason. That kind of stuff happens in war.

Leo this is not the first time this stuff happens. There are hundreds of such incidents to the point where it becomes clear that it is a system issue, not just a mistake. You cannot have 15.000 kids only be mistakes. If this was an isolated event it would be totally another story.

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

But also the US has a much more professional military.

Israel has one of the most modern armies, tons of aid, very educated and intelligent population. Why is their army not professional?

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

But what if the only way to kill Bin Laden was to bomb his house which would also kill his young children? Would you pull the trigger?

For Osama I would not but for someone like Hitler I might consider. Again, this has nothing to do with the current situation. Israel can send elite special forces there to take care of it if they want. Or just wait for another opportunity when the guy is not in a dense area like this. Rarely you get the "only way" situations in real life.

Lastly since you brought up the Gaza density. PRECISELY because it is so dense, bombing it like hell is a bad idea. And it does not even work. Hamas knew this would happen so they built tons of deep tunnels and therefore they are safe inside them. In 7 months, Israeli highest estimate is that around 20% of Hamas has been killed. If they were actually serious they would have sent some elite units in the tunnels to drag them out. But of course they are cowards and prefer to bomb kids and just starve everyone.

Edited May 27 by Karmadhi

[Danioover9000]

   Not the greatest video and work, it's the infinite and spirituality series by @Leo Gura, but I think this one is the greatest for explaining what and how admitting how wrong you are leads to a lot of benefit:

P.S also why the thumbnail in comic style??? IMO I like it, not saying it's out of the blue or wrong...😂

Edited May 27 by Danioover9000

[Karmadhi]

2 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

For the record beheading babies - come on...Israel may be a lot of things but If this turned out true then I will be truly heartbroken.   

I saw the video this morning, it is horrible. The baby was beheaded from the blast and his body was totally burned. Horror movie shit.

[Inliytened1]

16 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

I saw the video this morning, it is horrible. The baby was beheaded from the blast and his body was totally burned. Horror movie shit.

That's much different than a soldier beheading a baby.  A blast has no bias.   It will kill anything within range.   If it was a miscalculation of where hamas military leaders were stationed then it wasn't intentional.   Intent is what is in question. 

Edited May 27 by Inliytened1

[zazen]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

That's much different than a soldier beheading a baby.  A blast has no bias.   It will kill anything within range.   If it was a miscalculation of where hamas military leaders were stationed then it wasn't intentional.   Intent is what is in question. 

Every step forward in combat technology creates a wider chasm between the killer and the killing field, making it easier to execute mass slaughter while keeping one's sanity somewhat intact.

The closer you are, the more soul-scarring the experience: a knife cuts deeper into the psyche than a gun; a gun less so than a warplane, a warplane less than a missile fired from a sterile, cold screen. The end effect on the ground is equally brutal for the victims.

Anyone unleashing bombs on densely populated areas knows exactly the kind of havoc they're wreaking. It’s not some accidental 'oops we got a few civilians but at least we eliminated a Hamas fighter.' They know the blood price of their action because it’s been live streamed the past few months.

Edited May 27 by zazen

[Merkabah Star]

A baby being beheaded by a bomb that a soldier launched is no different to a soldier doing it in person with a machete. 

Israel is a disgrace. 

[Inliytened1]

17 minutes ago, zazen said:

 

Anyone unleashing bombs on densely populated areas knows exactly the kind of havoc they're wreaking. It’s not some accidental 'oops we got a few civilians but at least we eliminated a Hamas fighter.' They know the blood price of their action because it’s been live streamed the past few months.

From Wikipedia:

"The war began when Hamas-led militant groups launched a surprise attack on Israel on 7 October, involving a barrage of several thousand rockets concurrent to an estimated 3,000 militants breaching the Gaza–Israel barrier and attacking Israeli civilian communities and military bases."

Babies could have been there too.

 

Edited May 27 by Inliytened1

[Leo Gura]

3 hours ago, Karmadhi said:

There are hundreds of such incidents to the point where it becomes clear that it is a system issue, not just a mistake.

Of course that larger point stands. Systemically the whole approach to bombing Gaza is a failure.

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Israel has one of the most modern armies, tons of aid, very educated and intelligent population. Why is their army not professional?

1) Israel has mandatory service for the whole population. They have a lot of youngsters who are there short-term. Also not nearly as well fundeded or experienced.

2) Zionism and religious fundamentalism is infecting half the Israeli population. This religious ethnic passion creates much bias and devilry.

3) The leadership is right-wing fundamentalist and believes they are "children of light", which of course leads to evil.

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If they were actually serious they would have sent some elite units in the tunnels to drag them out. But of course they are cowards and prefer to bomb kids and just starve everyone.

I doubt they have enough elite special forces to deal with 30,000 Hamas, or even 5% of that number. That's beyond what special forces do.

Edited May 28 by Leo Gura

[Nivsch]

1 hour ago, Merkabah Star said:

A baby being beheaded by a bomb that a soldier launched is no different to a soldier doing it in person with a machete. 

Israel is a disgrace. 

This is night and day different in terms of the psychy level of the person stands behind the attack.

Edited May 27 by Nivsch

[Merkabah Star]

45 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

This is night and day different in terms of the psychy level of the person stands behind the attack.

What Israel have done in Gaza is no different to what Hamas did in Israel at this point. Hence the ICC is going after both groups leaders. 

 

[Leo Gura]

12 minutes ago, Merkabah Star said:

What Israel have done in Gaza is no different to what Hamas did in Israel at this point.

Actually, it is still different.

Hamas is Red/Blue, Israel is Blue/Orange.

That is an important difference.

Of course this does not excuse Israel's actions.

[Merkabah Star]

They are both terrorising, so it’s quite similar. Might be dressed up differently and you can add your colours to it but when it’s stripped back they are both one in the same. 

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, Merkabah Star said:

They are both terrorising

This characterization lacks nuance.

Edited May 28 by Leo Gura

[lina]

21 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Actually, it is still different.

Hamas is Red/Blue, Israel is Blue/Orange.

That is an important difference.

Of course this does not excuse Israel's actions.

If anything this should make Israel more responsible when it comes to the use of violence but it seems they are willingly choosing to continue with it to complete the ethnic cleansing and genocide goal. Evil actions that are done with calculation and awareness are a lot worse than the spontaneous ones.  

[Inliytened1]

6 minutes ago, lina said:

If anything this should make Israel more responsible when it comes to the use of violence but it seems they are willingly choosing to continue with it to complete the ethnic cleansing and genocide goal. Evil actions that are done with calculation and awareness are a lot worse than the spontaneous ones.  

So wait..the attack that started the war was spontaneous?  That must have been a real lucky spontaneous attack.   Not even sure how an attack can be spontaneous at all....and evil- that's a big word to throw around.  Do we not call both evil then?  Since innocents were killed on both sides and all....can one be more evil than another?

Edited May 28 by Inliytened1

[Loveeee]

To think I designed all this 

This one's on me guys

[Leo Gura]

8 minutes ago, lina said:

If anything this should make Israel more responsible when it comes to the use of violence but it seems they are willingly choosing to continue with it to complete the ethnic cleansing and genocide goal. Evil actions that are done with calculation and awareness are a lot worse than the spontaneous ones.  

1) Don't forget that it could always be worse. If Israel was Red/Blue they would do a lot worse.

2) Hamas' actions are very calculated. They gave their terrorist militia guys maps of Jewish kibutuz to attack on Oct 7th. It wasn't spontaneous.

As bad as the bombing is, Israelis are not invading like a barbarian horde and executing every civilian in sight.

Edited May 28 by Leo Gura

[Loveeee]

22 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

As bad as the bombing is, Israelis are not invading like a barbarian horde and executing every civilian in sight.

Ah yes the civilized, moral, democratic bombing 

[Leo Gura]

9 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

Ah yes the civilized, moral, democratic bombing 

Still higher consciousness than a barbarian rape horde.

Edited May 28 by Leo Gura