Israel / Palestine News Thread

[Nivsch]

23 minutes ago, zazen said:

No one has to victimise Palestinians when they can clearly see with their own eyes what is the case.

If you want Israelis to acknowledge their part of responsibility to the problem, you will have to acknowledge Palestinians part too.

[Vrubel]

1 hour ago, zazen said:

 

No one has to victimise Palestinians when they can clearly see with their own eyes what is the case.

Every society is capable of terrorism, its not some unique characteristic of Arabs except by the circumstances and conditions that foster it more and more and yes to a extent even religion is used for these. But to act as if they live to be terrorists and they have no actual grievances which are capitalised on (occupation, no right of return etc) is denying the cause of a lot of problems still existing today.

Well yeah there is difference between blowing up a police station or governing headquarters and calling your mom to boast you killed a family with your bare hands

 

Stop glorifying Palestinian victimization to the point of being shill and start glorifying proper society building and basic sanity. 

What would be true about your statement is that any society would react like Israel faced with the same conditions. That would be true because Israel is already one of the more developed countries. So most countries would be far worse. 

Edited May 19 by Vrubel

[Nivsch]

7 minutes ago, Vrubel said:

What would be true about your statement is that any society would react like Israel faced with the same conditions. That would be true because Israel is already one of the more developed countries. So most countries would be far worse.

+1 ❤️

Edited May 19 by Nivsch

[Leo Gura]

There exists a video game called September 12th. It was released back around 9/11. It is a very simple game where you have to bomb terrorists walking around a dense Arab city. The game is structured in such a way that every time you bomb a terrorist you also kill a few innocent women and children, which spawns more terrorists that you must then bomb again.

The point of the whole game is to play it until you realize that this game can never be won, and quit. And that is how the game is actually won.

 

[Merkabah Star]

 

[Nivsch]

[Nivsch]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

There exists a video game called September 12th. It was released back around 9/11. It is a very simple game where you have to bomb terrorists walking around a dense Arab city. The game is structured in such a way that every time you bomb a terrorist you also kill a few innocent women and children, which spawns more terrorists that you must then bomb again.

The point of the whole game is to play it until you realize that this game can never be won, and quit. And that is how the game is actually won.

 

This really helps to pass the intuition of the uselessness of the only-force approach. The question is whether this is utterly useless OR that force can help but only when reinforced by a clear strategic plan and geopolitical moves in parallel to using force, what Netanyahu refuses to do.

Edited May 19 by Nivsch

[Karmadhi]

4 hours ago, Vrubel said:

Well yeah there is difference between blowing up a police station or governing headquarters and calling your mom to boast you killed a family with your bare hands

That is like 1 guy. Jeez...

There will always be bad apples.

[Karmadhi]

Just now, Nivsch said:

This really helps to the intuition of the uselessness of the only-force approach. The question is wether this is utterly useless OR that force can help but only when reinforced by a clear strategic plan and geopolitical moves in parallel to the force, what Netanyahu refuses to do.

Dont you think recognizing Palestine, ending apertheid, ending occupation etc will help Hamas become less and less radical to the point where it either evolves to a legit party or is replaced by a more normal stage blue party.

i think it is a better solution.

Otherwise you just radicalize new Gazans and it is a never ending cycle.

Edited May 19 by Karmadhi

[Vrubel]

30 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

That is like 1 guy. Jeez...

There will always be bad apples.

What!? A bad apple!? you're out of your mind unreasonable and in denial

[Yimpa]

46 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

This really helps to pass the intuition of the uselessness of the only-force approach. The question is whether this is utterly useless OR that force can help but only when reinforced by a clear strategic plan and geopolitical moves in parallel to using force, what Netanyahu refuses to do.

How can one have a clear strategy when they can’t even see how distorted their mind is to begin with? 

[Nivsch]

2 hours ago, Karmadhi said:

That is like 1 guy. Jeez...

There will always be bad apples.

You are right. A bad apple.

hamas is the bad apple 😝

[Karmadhi]

6 hours ago, Vrubel said:

What!? A bad apple!? you're out of your mind unreasonable and in denial

Both societies have bad apples.

Edited May 19 by Karmadhi

[Karmadhi]

3 hours ago, Nivsch said:

hamas is the bad apple 😝

You can say that.

And what Israel is doing is making sure those bad apples multiply for years to come.

[Leo Gura]

Hamas is not a bad apple, it is the logical response to lack of statehood and foreign domination.

[Karmadhi]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

Hamas is not a bad apple, it is the logical response to lack of statehood and foreign domination.

Israelis will never admit that they are partily responsible for Hamas doing what it does.

[Karmadhi]

https://truthout.org/articles/the-majority-of-americans-now-disapprove-of-israels-genocide-polling-finds/

Seems like US public is becoming more and more angry with Israel atrocities.

 

Edited May 19 by Karmadhi

[Nivsch]

7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Hamas is not a bad apple, it is the logical response to lack of statehood and foreign domination.

I personally feel it is a chicken and egg problem.

Edited May 20 by Nivsch

[Vrubel]

7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Hamas is not a bad apple, it is the logical response to lack of statehood and foreign domination.

So occupation is a logical response to terror and genocidal threat! 

You're acting as if this war with Hamas will not feed anything positive and productive to peace and security in the long run but wouldn't it be more honest to say that you don't know? 

[hundreth]

On 5/17/2024 at 6:31 PM, Merkabah Star said:

Come on man, it’s been pretty obvious what Israelis think, via their comments just on this forum since it started. 

What comments did posters here make? Who here has advocated for the indiscriminate killing and/or harm to civilians?