Israel / Palestine News Thread

[Nemra]

12 minutes ago, Vrubel said:

But the problem lies in the wider culture, as an outsider, it's very apparent to me how loudmouthed, Polarized and uncompromising Americans are. This is a sickness of society.

That's not exclusive to Americans.

You judge them as an outsider and they judge you as an outsider.

[Danioover9000]

   I honestly feel sorry for most normal Israelis and Gazans/Palestinians for getting dragged into this war and conflict. I condemn HAMMAs and the Israel eight wing Zionists for creating this situation to begin with. Honestly it pisses me off how much the top 10% of Israel Zionists are getting away with devilry like this, creating conditions for HAMMAs and other terrorist groups! If I was Rome I'd crucify both of them for causing such misery and suffering for most normal folk! 

[Nivsch]

33 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

IDF also were holding West Bank/Gazans as hostages in the past and current situation too

Is skewed policy to the favor of the Jews in West Bank though not fair and need to change, comparable to 133 people being held in hamas tunnels might get murdered (many of them already) at any moment?

Edited April 25 by Nivsch

[Vrubel]

32 minutes ago, Nemra said:

That's not exclusive to Americans.

You judge them as an outsider and they judge you as an outsider.

Not exclusive but most apparent.

Holy shit, I did another snippet skimping, from timestamp 30:50 shit hits the fan. How can somebody behave this shamelessly classless? Of course, the bar was already set by a literal crackhead at the beginning. I'm not gonna lie, I'm getting sucked in here haha.

I get it now! Piers is a genius. He is a Brit who moved to America to not only profit from a war but most crucially to wittingly exploit the unhinged loudmouthed mannerisms of Americans for maximum profit. The pink-haired guy who was so contrastingly gentle was also a Brit. Coincidence? I think not. (;

Edited April 25 by Vrubel

[Nemra]

17 minutes ago, Vrubel said:

Not exclusive but most apparent.

Watch non-American news then.

Do you watch that kind of news to justify your perspective about Americans and also about the war when they don't agree with you?

(I'm not trying to trap you in any way, just asking)

Edited April 25 by Nemra

[Raze]

18 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

Is skewed policy to the favor of the Jews in West Bank though not fair and need to change, comparable to 133 people being held in hamas tunnels might get murdered (many of them already) at any moment?

no, But it is comparable too

- Hundreds of Palestinians have been killed by settlers since the war started, 2023 prior to oct 7 was already the deadliest year for Palestinian children, keeping in mind 2022 and 2021 were deadly as well

- The blockade on Gaza kept 40 percent unemployed, a huge amount hunger scarce, and the thousands killed in IDF bombardments such as operation caste lead which resulted in the majority of Palestinian youth having PTSD symptoms. Blockading is considered an act of war in international law.

- The IDF keeps hundreds of Palestinians in prison without charges and now some are reporting they’ve had limbs amputated. 

In addition, most of the hostage danger is probably coming from the IDF onslaught, some freed hostages reported as much, and three were shot to death by IDF trying to escape. 

[Danioover9000]

@Nivsch

26 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

Is skewed policy to the favor of the Jews in West Bank though not fair and need to change, comparable to 133 people being held in hamas tunnels might get murdered (many of them already) at any moment?

   Is this before or after IDF kept Palestinians prisoners without charge, indefinitely, and some getting limbs amputated?

2 minutes ago, Raze said:

no, But it is comparable too

- Hundreds of Palestinians have been killed by settlers since the war started, 2023 prior to oct 7 was already the deadliest year for Palestinian children, keeping in mind 2022 and 2021 were deadly as well

- The blockade on Gaza kept 40 percent unemployed, a huge amount hunger scarce, and the thousands killed in IDF bombardments such as operation caste lead which resulted in the majority of Palestinian youth having PTSD symptoms. Blockading is considered an act of war in international law.

- The IDF keeps hundreds of Palestinians in prison without charges and now some are reporting they’ve had limbs amputated. 

In addition, most of the hostage danger is probably coming from the IDF onslaught, some freed hostages reported as much, and three were shot to death by IDF trying to escape. 

 

[Vrubel]

1 minute ago, Nemra said:

Watch non-American news then.

Do you watch that kind of news to justify your perspective about Americans and also about the war when they don't agree with you?

Piers Morgan show is not "news". It's sensationalized debating. That's why I am so cavalier about it. 

[Bobby_2021]

Piers is a complete idiot. Look how he behaves like a child.

 

[Nemra]

 

7 minutes ago, Vrubel said:

That's why I am so cavalier about it. 

Got it.

But you do have to expect that others will feel the same way about you. The proof is that people here are shocked by your perspectives, just like you, which doesn't mean they are correct or incorrect.

Edited April 25 by Nemra

[Bobby_2021]

Words you are not supposed to use as a NYT journalist.

https://theintercept.com/2024/04/15/nyt-israel-gaza-genocide-palestine-coverage/

Most news media are propaganda sources to feed you with the information they want you to think.

Edited April 25 by Bobby_2021

[Vrubel]

44 minutes ago, Nemra said:

Got it.

But you do have to expect that others will feel the same way about you. The proof is that people here are shocked by your perspectives, just like you, which doesn't mean they are correct or incorrect.

I am not "shocked" by other people's perspectives. I can definitely see that if you have a certain bias you can very conveniently play this game of hyperboles, lashing out, demonizing and blaming Israel for absolutely everything, of course, all without ever having the slightest consideration for Israel's perspective. Decent people will always stand against such things like pink hair guy. 

If people are "shocked" by my perspective that tells more about them than about me. 

Edited April 25 by Vrubel

[Nemra]

@Vrubel

Do you think people here don't care about the Israelis pov?

Also, do you think you care about Palestinians pov?

1 hour ago, Vrubel said:

I can definitely see that if you have a certain bias you can very conveniently play this game of hyperboles, lashing out, demonizing and blaming Israel for absolutely everything, of course, all without ever having the slightest consideration for Israel's perspective.

People here, just like you, believe that they see through.

They think you're so biased that you can't see beyond your perspective.

Do you think that only you, as an Israeli, can understand this situation correctly and/or without being biased?

(I'll stop, as I don't want you to think I'm targeting you, and you don't have to answer if you don't want to) 

Edited April 25 by Nemra

[Danioover9000]

   IMO reasonable take by Asmongold here:

   Which I mostly agree because Piers Morgan was character assassinating Hasan here, and bad faith tactics and manipulating him, and presenting some false dilemmas and false dichotomy here. Main point I agree with Asmongold is moral condemnation, which most people seem to assume it means a person is only allowed to morally condemn one group only, and not assume that some members of the same side can also have the mental capacity to also denounce morally parties on the same side as them. For example I can morally condemn HAMMAs for some of their genocidal language and the Oct 7 atrocity just as much as I can morally condemn Israeli Zionist devils for their genocidal language and 80 plus years of genocidal language and ethnic cleansing and the Al Nakba. Assuming that there's only 2 options, and there's only 1 group/person/thing to morally condemn is false.

[Merkabah Star]

5 hours ago, Vrubel said:

How can peolpe even watch that cringe-fest full and to the end? I could barely handle skimping some snippets. The woman is right when she says that she stands up against lies and hypocrisy, well done for doing so. That gentle pink-haired guy seems to be the most reasonable and genuinely compassionate. Unfortunately, though he totally gets snowed under for he is so gentle. He barely gets a word in but the ones he does hit like bricks of truth. I'm him with a slightly deeper Israeli perspective. 

You have crackhead Barney vibes to me.

😂

[Danioover9000]

@Bobby_2021

3 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Piers is a complete idiot. Look how he behaves like a child.

 

 

   Completely agree, Piers Morgan is a fake lefty and a parasite, abandons the UK to grift in American soil. He is immature and ideologically biased and makes the guest look more mature minded. Piers Morgan appears adult in the room, yet when guest lays down the facts maturely, this disturbs him. He's a man child, in denial, how wild YouTube allows this little bile to file. I'll, as Slim Shady's child, point out Piers's ancestry: Morgan La Fay.

[Nivsch]

@Raze I still see key differences.

hamas always try to kill civilians directly.

IDF try to kill terrorists and to maintain an order and stability in both areas, while in its way to do so it, in some cases, acts a bit too loose on the weapon when faces operational chaos, using the surviving and saturated from threats brain to help it justify being so when facing those operational difficulties and sense of threat, to shortcut its work, out of an excuse/assumption that it can't be done otherwise.

Edited April 25 by Nivsch

[Karmadhi]

2 hours ago, Nivsch said:

hamas always try to kill civilians directly.

 

 

2 hours ago, Nivsch said:

DF try to kill terrorists and to maintain an order and stability in both areas, while in its way to do so it, in some cases, acts a bit too loose on the weapon when faces operational chaos,

How come if Hamas is so much prone to killing civilians the ratio between civilians and soldiers killed is quite similar.

Hamas killed 2x civilians than soldiers, you claim IDF is similar.

You also called such a ratio 'acceptable in war".

If Hamas cared about killing civilians so much, wouldnt the ratio be like 10x more civilians than soldiers?

Also dont you think some of the civilians dead, got caught in the crossfire? I mean IDF killed 3 Israeli hostages in Gaza  because on the heat of the moment people make mistakes and stuff happens.

Perhaps some of those 800 confirmed civilians died during the fighting between IDF and Hamas? 

If IDF did such mistakes in Gaza, why not here too?

We still lack proof of how many were massacred without restraint compared to how many died in crossfires.

I am not denying some civilians were intentionally targeted and massacred, but we lack the concrete number.

Perhaps it is 300? 100? 500? Who knows...

 

 

 

Edited April 25 by Karmadhi

[Raze]

 

 

 

[Leo Gura]

5 hours ago, Nivsch said:

I still see key differences.

hamas always try to kill civilians directly.

IDF try to kill terrorists and to maintain an order and stability in both areas,

That is the difference between those without and those with power. Using terrorism is not necessary when you are in a vastly dominant position. But you have to look at how Israel maintains its dominant position: through lies, propaganda, political manipulation, war crimes, funding of terrorist groups, and theft of land. When you allow yourself all that, who needs terrorism?

Edited April 26 by Leo Gura