Israel / Palestine News Thread

[Merkabah Star]

 

[Merkabah Star]

lol @ crackhead Barney 😂😂

 

[Karmadhi]

I love how the 300 pages thread about this conflict was closed by Leo and now we have a new thread, basically rebranded where the same people say the same things with barely any agreements.

Humans are hilarious.

[Merkabah Star]

32 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

I love how the 300 pages thread about this conflict was closed by Leo and now we have a new thread, basically rebranded where the same people say the same things with barely any agreements.

Humans are hilarious.

Closing it was a good circuit breaker. 

It’s regrouped and spread out and has toned down as best as possible. It’s a divisive, hot topic. 

Emotions are hard to control. Helps you look at yourself and reflect. 

🤡

 

[Raze]

 

Edited April 25 by Raze

[Bobby_2021]

1 hour ago, Merkabah Star said:

Closing it was a good circuit breaker. 

It’s regrouped and spread out and has toned down as best as possible. It’s a divisive, hot topic. 

Emotions are hard to control. Helps you look at yourself and reflect. 

🤡

 

😂😂😂

Fr.

[Nemra]

6 hours ago, Merkabah Star said:

lol @ crackhead Barney 😂😂

 

I think people don't understand what means a lot and a few. 😁

If either one of them says that some killings are justified, then he or she will be seen as a monster among them, as if they don't justify killings.

Edited April 25 by Nemra

[Vrubel]

...Piers Morgan, still going at it with the same shit over and over again. He is a 21st-century media Carpetbagger haha

[Danioover9000]

@Merkabah Star

7 hours ago, Merkabah Star said:

lol @ crackhead Barney 😂😂

 

   That woman definitely is high on neurosis and narcissism!😂

[Bobby_2021]

It's really telling of the times when Hasan Piker of all is making the most sense in a talk.

12 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Merkabah Star

   That woman definitely is high on neurosis and narcissism!😂

That woman was funny. 😂😂

[Danioover9000]

@Bobby_2021

12 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

It's really telling of the times when Hasan Piker of all is making the most sense in a talk.

That woman was funny. 😂😂

   I agree, and am honestly disappointed Piers the morgue man resorted to poisoning the well of the pro Palestinian side, like he had amnesia and forgot Normand Finkelstein, Osho, Gabor, and others with very grounded reasoning takes about both sides as well as Israel's dark history of oppression and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. So obvious this crackhead woman was a plant to further discredit the pro Palestinians, like why Piers?

   Also IMO this is a great example of ideology, bias and preferences corrupting good faith dialogues, and the need for ego to always win with rhetoric and bad faith tactic other points to death:

   While I have mixed views about Hasan Piker, the harsh fact that many on that panel make him a sane reasonable individual is INSANE to me!🤣 This further confirms and maintains my disdain for Piers the zombie morgue assistant.

   Another reason why studying Spiral Dynamics stages of development(Clare Graves and Don Beck), cognitive and moral development, personality types/traits modals, developmental psychology, 9 stages of ego development(Jane Loevinger), Architypes and shadow selves(Carl Jung), Integral Theory(Ken Wilbur), and study/contemplation of ideology, ideological beliefs indoctrinated by cultural/societal programing, metaprogram, metanarratives, being careful of information ecology one consumes and is leveraged and influenced by big tech and big companies to manufacture consent in population, and increasing one's self awareness of bias and preferences that shapes one's worldviews.  

[Vrubel]

How can peolpe even watch that cringe-fest full and to the end? I could barely handle skimping some snippets. The woman is right when she says that she stands up against lies and hypocrisy, well done for doing so. That gentle pink-haired guy seems to be the most reasonable and genuinely compassionate. Unfortunately, though he totally gets snowed under for he is so gentle. He barely gets a word in but the ones he does hit like bricks of truth. I'm him with a slightly deeper Israeli perspective. 

Edited April 25 by Vrubel

[Danioover9000]

@Vrubel

1 minute ago, Vrubel said:

How can peolpe even watch that cringe-fest full and to the end? I could barely handle skimping some snippets. The woman is right when she says that she stands up against lies and hypocrisy, well done for doing so. That gentle pink-haired guy seems to be the most reasonable and genuinly compassionate though he totally gets snowed under for he is so gentle. He barely gets a word in but the ones he does hit like bricks of truth. I'm him with a slightly deeper Israeli perspective. 

   Which woman are you referring to that stands against lies and hypocrisy here/ If you say the blonde woman then you've lost instantly.

[Vrubel]

The Jewish women. For women, it's more excusable to act out a bit I understand her but arguing with loudmouthed idiots is a game that's not winnable. 

[Danioover9000]

@Vrubel

7 minutes ago, Vrubel said:

The Jewish women. For women, it's more excusable to act out a bit I understand her but arguing with loudmouthed idiots is a game that's not winnable. 

   Sorry, but if you represent Israel it's a disgusting place then if they have to lie to themselves this deeply.

[Nemra]

13 minutes ago, Vrubel said:

I understand her but arguing with loudmouthed idiots is a game that's not winnable. 

The opposite side probably thinks the same. Can't they also act out?

[Nivsch]

10 hours ago, Merkabah Star said:

lol @ crackhead Barney 😂😂

 

The pink haired guy is great. Very calm, fair and reasonable.

Emily (the Jewish one) has indeed for a moment attacked Hassan too much when wasn't necessary, but she is quite right in her claims and most of the time answered to the point.

Hassan kept repeating buzz words without explaining them. I understand he tried to show points about the Palestinian's problems that are real, but didn't succeeded much with that and always regressed to false slogans.

Piers was fair too.

Edited April 25 by Nivsch

[Vrubel]

26 minutes ago, Nemra said:

The opposite side probably thinks the same. Can't they also act out?

I am not for acting out or lashing out either way. One has the responsibility to keep his emotions in check. Write angry letters but do not send them instead send a constructive level-headed letter. Class and gentleness as shown by that pink-haired guy should win out. 

Of course, the whole debate show is so deeply sensationalized. Piers Morgan acts all outraged at the guests when they misbehave but I bet when the recording ends his mood changes in an instant to being all gleeful as he knows this shitshow will be good for ratings. But the problem lies in the wider culture, as an outsider, it's very apparent to me how loudmouthed, Polarized and uncompromising Americans are. This is a sickness of society. 

[Danioover9000]

@Nivsch

22 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

The pink haired guy is great. Very calm, fair and reasonable.

Emily (the Jewish one) has indeed for a moment attacked Hassan too much when wasn't necessary, but she is quite right in her claims and most of the time answered to the point.

Hassan kept repeating buzz words without explaining them. I understand he tried to show points about the Palestinian's problems that are real, but didn't succeeded much with that and always regressed to false slogans.

Piers war fair too.

   I partly agree that the pink hair guy was a bit calm, fair and reasonable, until he has moments of emotionality and was trying to attack Hassan's claim on the whole hostage situation from HAMMAs when IDF also were holding West Bank/Gazans as hostages in the past and current situation too, so it's a hypocritical point.

   What claims was that blonde Jewish-sorry Israeli Zionist-woman right on in the panel?

   Why are you cherry picking Hassan as just repeating buzz words when he was also trying to explain those buzz words, and was being interrupted by said blonde woman and even Piers?

   How was Piers fair when he invited the Crackhead woman in the intro to poison the well for the pro Palestinians and present them as crazy deranged lunatics when there are some valid points being made against the IDF's actions in this current event in Gaza? From destroying 80% of Gaza, to using more dumb bombs than smart bombs on hospitals, and finally to Israeli defense minister and even Netanyahu using genocidal language to smear all of Palestinians?

   

[Danioover9000]

@Vrubel

18 minutes ago, Vrubel said:

I am not for acting out or lashing out either way. One has the responsibility to keep his emotions in check. Write angry letters but do not send them instead send a constructive level-headed letter. Class and gentleness as shown by that pink-haired guy should win out. 

Of course, the whole debate show is so deeply sensationalized. Piers Morgan acts all outraged at the guests when they misbehave but I bet when the recording ends his mood changes in an instant to being all gleeful as he knows this shitshow will be good for ratings. But the problem lies in the wider culture, as an outsider, it's very apparent to me how loudmouthed, Polarized and uncompromising Americans are. This is a sickness of society. 

   Of course you'd only want a level headed, apathy like letter of complaint, and a world where all protests are calm, peaceful and depressed-robotic, where all protestors are flowers that are well behaved because you don't want to EVER feel any empathy or compassion for the other side's misery right?

   Reminds me of this videos;