Sadhguru undergoes emergency brain surgery after ‘life-threatening bleeding’

[Ishanga]

3 hours ago, Davino said:

The deal is he abused himself to the point of an emergency brain surgery. He lacked the self-love to take care of his own body when it was asking for help and decided to numb it with drugs to keep going on till it got unsustainable.

Yes, surely nobody is questioning his level of commitment. Just some blindspots and improvements in his way of commiting to some vision. A more healthy commitment. Although Sadghuru's personality has always been like this.

With the Dylanalinga project the situation was much worse. The closest attempt to consecrate a Dylanalinga took place almost one thousand years ago in Bhopal. The process, though grand, failed in the final stages. Sadghuru really wanted to make such a rare linga with all the yogic energies encapsulated in it and didn't care dying for it.

Look the before and after in just 8 months. Her wife decided to leave the body after finishing the Dylanalinga. Most people were certain Sadghuru would do the same a few after.

 

So there is no surprise really. Sadghuru has always immolated himself for the projects he believed in. Although, I do not share such approach and in a way lacks self love, but he seems to be like this.

 

 

Yes he abused himself for others, that's a problem now? Don't we have free will to do what we want with our lives? You seem to think otherwise, or are judging... He's always said "Don't Look Up to anyone, Don't Look down on anyone, Just see them the way they are!", now its not his fault that the ppl that follow him see him as this or that, he's said many time he doesn't care about the stuff he is doing, its just fulfilling a need that's all, he could go and do nothing and still die in Bliss, he's also detailed the fallacy's of what most ppl think a Devotee is, its not the ones kissing his feet or bowing and talking in a certain way when in his presence, then doing something otherwise when not in his presence, being a devotee is being Devoid of Self, I think he demonstrates that quite well..

His Wife Mahasamadhi happened just BEFORE the consecreation of the Dylanalinga was completed, not after, it almost killed him then, and yes he was supposed to not live beyond 42 but here we are:)

oh Sadhguru is anti Self Love, for him that makes the ego stronger, he advocates creating a state of Bliss as Your baseline state, and to be Loving!!

Edited March 23, 2024 by Ishanga

[Ishanga]

6 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

It seems that sadhguru has noble and authentic intentions, but that does not mean that he is not deluded. I would say that he has become deified. He has become a world celebrity, and he is still human. Lately he was saying strange things and with a false touch. Any human is susceptible to corruption, even without realizing it. People thought sadhguru is a demigod on earth, and I see a smart and ambitious guy with a normal level of awakening 

What Strange things? He comments on many things, it amazes me that he still does this sort of thing, he's been going at it, and answering the same dam questions over and over for over 30yrs, of course some will find something that may sound strange or contradictory, which is good in some ways, but that stuff is a very very small part of his actions and intentions, its just public relations, to keep the general public at the least interested in him, in his last life the public was super scared of him, he was too intense!

[Breakingthewall]

21 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

What Strange things?

It depends on what you consider strange. He said that he has contacts with aliens, that he knows their past lives, that people who die in accidents enter a hellish realm of existence, that Indian rituals after death can send the soul of a dead person to one place or another depending on the degree of kinship of whoever makes them, that there are temples in India where entering is dangerous for women because of the energies that exist in them, and many other things that deserve doubts for me

[Ishanga]

16 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

It depends on what you consider strange. He said that he has contacts with aliens, that he knows their past lives, that people who die in accidents enter a hellish realm of existence, that Indian rituals after death can send the soul of a dead person to one place or another depending on the degree of kinship of whoever makes them, that there are temples in India where entering is dangerous for women because of the energies that exist in them, and many other things that deserve doubts for me

Maybe there is a mis understanding... The event at Kalash, there was something there that even surprised him, he doesn't quite say what they are, but they are not Human sort of existence or life essence, and tried a method to find out more but it had to be stopped...When ppl die he says that the state You are in at the moment of death affects your afterlife (bodily death that is), and that with higher states of consciousness in living state, you can choose your next body in the next bodily life cycle..not sure about the hindu ritual stuffs,,,,and the temples not meant for women, he says that some temples are made in ways where its more beneficial for men, and visa versa too, temples are like energy recharging stations, they can be calibrated in way I guess, he's a master at that stuff for sure...

[Breakingthewall]

5 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Maybe there is a mis understanding... The event at Kalash, there was something there that even surprised him, he doesn't quite say what they are, but they are not Human sort of existence or life essence, and tried a method to find out more but it had to be stopped...When ppl die he says that the state You are in at the moment of death affects your afterlife (bodily death that is), and that with higher states of consciousness in living state, you can choose your next body in the next bodily life cycle..not sure about the hindu ritual stuffs,,,,and the temples not meant for women, he says that some temples are made in ways where its more beneficial for men, and visa versa too, temples are like energy recharging stations, they can be calibrated in way I guess, he's a master at that stuff for sure...

I don't say absolutely no about what he says, but I have very serious doubts about whether everything is being invented to get people's attention. If so, for me he is a liar, there is no middle ground, or total truth, clean and untainted, or liar without any real value

[Breakingthewall]

@Ishanga but maybe I'm wrong and some lies are needed if the results are real and good for the humans. 

[Leo Gura]

The point is not to judge Sadhguru, the point is simply to take care of your health, not be a workaholic, and not think of yourself as magically invicible.

Why you guys gotta make this so complicated?

[r0ckyreed]

49 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Why you guys gotta make this so complicated?

Because a lot of them are stuck in the Spiritual Matrix. I am actually thinking about writing a book about this very topic. Jed McKenna has been the only one I have heard articulate that concept well in writing.

Edited March 24, 2024 by r0ckyreed

[Alexop]

I remember Sadhguru saying to his audience: reduce sleep, I sleep around 2 hours a night. That one turned me off and never watched him again, that kind of advice is even worse than the mainstream gymbuddy advice. He is conscious but he seems disconnected from reality. 

[Yimpa]

@Alexop The meta lesson is to not sacrifice your own authority or autonomy onto any guru or teacher figure. 

[Davino]

14 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

So now you're expanding your argument towards Sadhuru's health condition to include one of the causes as lack of self love, other than over working, taking too many pain killers, among other points?

I've been reflecting these days about it. I wanted to give him some space out of respect and also get some clarity on the topic before talking.

I think it all boils down to self-love. Sadhguru when has a vision is willing to involve himself to death. Which you may think as something honorable, but it is not. It is in fact counter productive. It is by self-love and caring for your well being that the vision you have in mind becomes reality in the best way possible.

Beyond this, I disliked very much that he took painkillers and sedatives to just numb the feelings and keep his schedule for a few days more. He did it out of integrity for others but lacked the integrity towards oneself and his own health. I wasn't expecting this behaviour from Sadhguru.

 

[Salvijus]

3 hours ago, Alexop said:

I remember Sadhguru saying to his audience: reduce sleep, I sleep around 2 hours a night. That one turned me off and never watched him again, that kind of advice is even worse than the mainstream gymbuddy advice. He is conscious but he seems disconnected from reality. 

Mmm... 

I believe if you payed more attention next time you'd realize just how much you misinterpreted the whole messenge around sleep. 

Edited March 24, 2024 by Salvijus

[Salvijus]

2 hours ago, Davino said:

I've been reflecting these days about it. I wanted to give him some space out of respect and also get some clarity on the topic before talking.

I think it all boils down to self-love. Sadhguru when has a vision is willing to involve himself to death. Which you may think as something honorable, but it is not. It is in fact counter productive. It is by self-love and caring for your well being that the vision you have in mind becomes reality in the best way possible.

Beyond this, I disliked very much that he took painkillers and sedatives to just numb the feelings and keep his schedule for a few days more. He did it out of integrity for others but lacked the integrity towards oneself and his own health. I wasn't expecting this behaviour from Sadhguru.

 

Nice

Now that is interesting and honest perspective to read. 

I feel inspired to propose a few ideas for contemplation tho. 

First. Is Sadhguru (or any enlightened being for that matter) in need of self love to begin with? Or physical wellbeing doesn't matter to him. Perhaps body is just an instrument to him to do certain work. So as long as it is functional it is good enough. So he patched up a few holes in the instrument here and there with painkillers and whatnot. And it's all good. Perhaps he doesn't take the deterioration of the body very seriously. Only to the extent it is needed to do the work he's doing. 

Just an alternative perspective for contemplation here. 

Edited March 24, 2024 by Salvijus

[Ishanga]

4 hours ago, Alexop said:

I remember Sadhguru saying to his audience: reduce sleep, I sleep around 2 hours a night. That one turned me off and never watched him again, that kind of advice is even worse than the mainstream gymbuddy advice. He is conscious but he seems disconnected from reality. 

This is not advice, he never told ppl to sleep only 2hrs a night, I've watched most all his sharings, he said that when Your energies rise up, and you master that art of being at Ease in your daily life (accepting, responding, living now=no stress response), then you sleep quota will go down automatically, he never said to force yourself to only sleep 2-4hrs a night, your misunderstanding!

[Ishanga]

1 hour ago, Salvijus said:

Nice

Now that is interesting and honest perspective to read. 

I feel inspired to propose a few ideas for contemplation tho. 

First. Is Sadhguru (or any enlightened being for that matter) in need of self love to begin with? Or physical wellbeing doesn't matter to him. Perhaps body is just an instrument to him to do certain work. So as long as it is functional it is good enough. So he patched up a few holes in the instrument here and there with painkillers and whatnot. And it's all good. Perhaps he doesn't take the deterioration of the body very seriously. Only to the extent it is needed to do the work he's doing. 

Just an alternative perspective for contemplation here. 

No need for self love, yes he takes care of the basics for himself, eating proper food and stuff, but he for sure is Purpose driven (even though he sort of doesn't like to use that terminology, again I think he is sort of in a "Don't do what I do, but do what I say" sort of situation), and maybe it is determined by a time limit of sorts.... Look Leo has health problems, he doesn't near work the same sort of schedule that Sadhguru has over the last 30yrs, so why give any creds to what he has to say about this situation when he himself is in bad health, lol... Shit happens, I'm sure Sadhguru will be hopping on the horse once again doing what he does regardless of what anyone says!

[Carl-Richard]

9 hours ago, Alexop said:

I remember Sadhguru saying to his audience: reduce sleep, I sleep around 2 hours a night. That one turned me off and never watched him again, that kind of advice is even worse than the mainstream gymbuddy advice. He is conscious but he seems disconnected from reality. 

I doubt he ever gave that as a prescription. Rather, your need for sleep will naturally drop when you develop a calmer baseline state.

Edited March 24, 2024 by Carl-Richard

[Davino]

2 hours ago, Salvijus said:

Is Sadhguru (or any enlightened being for that matter) in need of self love to begin with?

Of course. The race for Love is existential. An Awake knows this and spreads it like perfume. In loving other loves himself and in loving himself loves others.

2 hours ago, Salvijus said:

Or physical wellbeing doesn't matter to him. Perhaps body is just an instrument to him to do certain work. So as long as it is functional it is good enough. So he patched up a few holes in the instrument here and there with painkillers and whatnot. And it's all good. Perhaps he doesn't take the deterioration of the body very seriously. Only to the extent it is needed to do the work he's doing. 

That's a poor rationalization.

Listen... Love your body, love your mind, love your psyche, love death, love your spirit, love consciousness, love your very own Self, love "I", love All of Existence, love all that is, you are all that is, I am all that is, in Infinity I abide as Self-Love.

When this is failed to be lived we run into problems. If anything, Sadhguru's surgery is the living reminder of this. And it's okay, we love our own mistakes, we love our own imperfections and those of others. It is out of love that we speak and for Love alone. This is a race for Love, drill it into your self. Now, I wanna say that I love you. Whoever took the time to read this, thanks, I love you too

[Salvijus]

4 hours ago, Davino said:

That's a poor rationalization.

I thought it was pretty good 

[Davino]

1 hour ago, Salvijus said:

I thought it was pretty good 

Definition:

Rationalization is a defense mechanism (ego defense) in which apparent logical reasons are given to justify behavior that is motivated by unconscious instinctual impulses.  It is an attempt to find reasons for behaviors, especially one's own.

Edited March 24, 2024 by Davino

[BlueOak]

On 3/22/2024 at 11:12 PM, Ishanga said:

There's really no such thing as "Meditation", in Yoga and Indian Spirituality, there are many forms of Sadhana or Spiritual Practices, Shiva/Adi Yogi is said to have said there are 112ways for a human being to become Realized/Enlightened, Buddhism is just 1 of those methods... What You want is to be Meditative, which is a basic state of Ease within Yourself, when this happens the natural Intelligence that is a part of You and the entire Universe comes more into Your Awareness, there are many methods to make this happen..

For the Avg person, yes if something feels wrong go see a doctor or health specialist, for other sorts of ppl maybe this is not what is the right thing to do..,Stallone has said many times that after he is done with a project (mostly when directing) he usually gets sick, its like it was being held back then it comes after the goal is achieved, its the same for ppl like Sadhguru, he probably knew exactly what was happening but put his commitments before his health, this is the way he is, others may not want to do it like this, that is their choice, there is no right or wrong here, but when on a mission of sorts, and your determined to get something done, the body has a way to make itself alright until the mission is over...

Everyone's experience is different. If you don't have much experience with energetic work or body awareness you might not believe or appreciate this:

During intensive meditation, I have energy that runs through my fingers, to the point I feel like they want to pull apart, but are also too heavy to move. I do heal during meditation, I feel muscles relax, headaches go, the body expels gas, and gives me an accelerated healing of ailments. I can tune in to myself, and line up what happens in the day (not I the greater intelligence outside this body), to avoid unnecessary things happening. It doesn't stop problems or challenges, but it does avoid something unnecessary happening. This, in effect, makes the day flow better and any problems heal faster.

What it can't do (or I can't do) is correct a big defect, I can ease the soreness in my shoulder for example and avoid hurting it more during the day, but I can't remove the scar or operation I had. So if I was Sadghuru I would have tried to meditate the headache away at first, oxygenating the head can also help (head rolling techniques) or breathing exercises.

Its not wise to avoid getting a condition treated, unless he for some reason concluded that missing those appointments was a worse result than the resulting problem (and future missed engagements). I don't have the experience of knowing exactly what's going on inside myself, though I get hints from intuition, body awareness, and dreams.