Sadhguru undergoes emergency brain surgery after ‘life-threatening bleeding’

[Ishanga]

1 hour ago, Salvijus said:

Nice

Now that is interesting and honest perspective to read. 

I feel inspired to propose a few ideas for contemplation tho. 

First. Is Sadhguru (or any enlightened being for that matter) in need of self love to begin with? Or physical wellbeing doesn't matter to him. Perhaps body is just an instrument to him to do certain work. So as long as it is functional it is good enough. So he patched up a few holes in the instrument here and there with painkillers and whatnot. And it's all good. Perhaps he doesn't take the deterioration of the body very seriously. Only to the extent it is needed to do the work he's doing. 

Just an alternative perspective for contemplation here. 

No need for self love, yes he takes care of the basics for himself, eating proper food and stuff, but he for sure is Purpose driven (even though he sort of doesn't like to use that terminology, again I think he is sort of in a "Don't do what I do, but do what I say" sort of situation), and maybe it is determined by a time limit of sorts.... Look Leo has health problems, he doesn't near work the same sort of schedule that Sadhguru has over the last 30yrs, so why give any creds to what he has to say about this situation when he himself is in bad health, lol... Shit happens, I'm sure Sadhguru will be hopping on the horse once again doing what he does regardless of what anyone says!

[Carl-Richard]

9 hours ago, Alexop said:

I remember Sadhguru saying to his audience: reduce sleep, I sleep around 2 hours a night. That one turned me off and never watched him again, that kind of advice is even worse than the mainstream gymbuddy advice. He is conscious but he seems disconnected from reality. 

I doubt he ever gave that as a prescription. Rather, your need for sleep will naturally drop when you develop a calmer baseline state.

Edited March 24 by Carl-Richard

[Davino]

2 hours ago, Salvijus said:

Is Sadhguru (or any enlightened being for that matter) in need of self love to begin with?

Of course. The race for Love is existential. An Awake knows this and spreads it like perfume. In loving other loves himself and in loving himself loves others.

2 hours ago, Salvijus said:

Or physical wellbeing doesn't matter to him. Perhaps body is just an instrument to him to do certain work. So as long as it is functional it is good enough. So he patched up a few holes in the instrument here and there with painkillers and whatnot. And it's all good. Perhaps he doesn't take the deterioration of the body very seriously. Only to the extent it is needed to do the work he's doing. 

That's a poor rationalization.

Listen... Love your body, love your mind, love your psyche, love death, love your spirit, love consciousness, love your very own Self, love "I", love All of Existence, love all that is, you are all that is, I am all that is, in Infinity I abide as Self-Love.

When this is failed to be lived we run into problems. If anything, Sadhguru's surgery is the living reminder of this. And it's okay, we love our own mistakes, we love our own imperfections and those of others. It is out of love that we speak and for Love alone. This is a race for Love, drill it into your self. Now, I wanna say that I love you. Whoever took the time to read this, thanks, I love you too

[Salvijus]

4 hours ago, Davino said:

That's a poor rationalization.

I thought it was pretty good 

[Davino]

1 hour ago, Salvijus said:

I thought it was pretty good 

Definition:

Rationalization is a defense mechanism (ego defense) in which apparent logical reasons are given to justify behavior that is motivated by unconscious instinctual impulses.  It is an attempt to find reasons for behaviors, especially one's own.

Edited March 24 by Davino

[BlueOak]

On 3/22/2024 at 11:12 PM, Ishanga said:

There's really no such thing as "Meditation", in Yoga and Indian Spirituality, there are many forms of Sadhana or Spiritual Practices, Shiva/Adi Yogi is said to have said there are 112ways for a human being to become Realized/Enlightened, Buddhism is just 1 of those methods... What You want is to be Meditative, which is a basic state of Ease within Yourself, when this happens the natural Intelligence that is a part of You and the entire Universe comes more into Your Awareness, there are many methods to make this happen..

For the Avg person, yes if something feels wrong go see a doctor or health specialist, for other sorts of ppl maybe this is not what is the right thing to do..,Stallone has said many times that after he is done with a project (mostly when directing) he usually gets sick, its like it was being held back then it comes after the goal is achieved, its the same for ppl like Sadhguru, he probably knew exactly what was happening but put his commitments before his health, this is the way he is, others may not want to do it like this, that is their choice, there is no right or wrong here, but when on a mission of sorts, and your determined to get something done, the body has a way to make itself alright until the mission is over...

Everyone's experience is different. If you don't have much experience with energetic work or body awareness you might not believe or appreciate this:

During intensive meditation, I have energy that runs through my fingers, to the point I feel like they want to pull apart, but are also too heavy to move. I do heal during meditation, I feel muscles relax, headaches go, the body expels gas, and gives me an accelerated healing of ailments. I can tune in to myself, and line up what happens in the day (not I the greater intelligence outside this body), to avoid unnecessary things happening. It doesn't stop problems or challenges, but it does avoid something unnecessary happening. This, in effect, makes the day flow better and any problems heal faster.

What it can't do (or I can't do) is correct a big defect, I can ease the soreness in my shoulder for example and avoid hurting it more during the day, but I can't remove the scar or operation I had. So if I was Sadghuru I would have tried to meditate the headache away at first, oxygenating the head can also help (head rolling techniques) or breathing exercises.

Its not wise to avoid getting a condition treated, unless he for some reason concluded that missing those appointments was a worse result than the resulting problem (and future missed engagements). I don't have the experience of knowing exactly what's going on inside myself, though I get hints from intuition, body awareness, and dreams.

[Danioover9000]

@r0ckyreed

19 hours ago, r0ckyreed said:

Because a lot of them are stuck in the Spiritual Matrix. I am actually thinking about writing a book about this very topic. Jed McKenna has been the only one I have heard articulate that concept well in writing.

   Oh, so it's a race against time then? Who'll right their spiritual book first: Rocky or Leo?

[Danioover9000]

@Davino

13 hours ago, Davino said:

I've been reflecting these days about it. I wanted to give him some space out of respect and also get some clarity on the topic before talking.

I think it all boils down to self-love. Sadhguru when has a vision is willing to involve himself to death. Which you may think as something honorable, but it is not. It is in fact counter productive. It is by self-love and caring for your well being that the vision you have in mind becomes reality in the best way possible.

Beyond this, I disliked very much that he took painkillers and sedatives to just numb the feelings and keep his schedule for a few days more. He did it out of integrity for others but lacked the integrity towards oneself and his own health. I wasn't expecting this behaviour from Sadhguru.

 

   Alright, so you think it's his lack of self love. You now factor in over working, 'willing to involve himself to death', and disliked very much that he took painkillers and sedatives to just numb the pain...so if this is true, then would it be more accurate for you to say him taking painkillers/sedatives too much, and overworking too much has contributed towards his brain hemorrhage far more than his apparent lack of 'self love'? 

   Never stated I found self love or lack of self love, and even overworking honorable. Also you raised a good point here: 'He did it out of integrity for others but lacked the integrity towards oneself and his own health.'. Are you saying that Sadhguru is too selfless, and should have been more selfish enough to care about himself more than others around him? The main issue here really is too much selflessness and not enough selfishness?

[Salvijus]

10 hours ago, Davino said:

Definition:

Rationalization is a defense mechanism (ego defense) in which apparent logical reasons are given to justify behavior that is motivated by unconscious instinctual impulses.  It is an attempt to find reasons for behaviors, especially one's own.

There are many possible interpretations of the situation. I still think the one i proposed could be valid. Not out of defense but out of exploration of what's out there. And what makes sense and what doesn't. That's why I enjoyed your take because on some level it sounds logical. But there is logic in what I wrote aswell. I hoped you'd be able to appreciate it... 

Edited March 25 by Salvijus

[Ajay0]

On 3/24/2024 at 2:36 PM, Davino said:

I've been reflecting these days about it. I wanted to give him some space out of respect and also get some clarity on the topic before talking.

I think it all boils down to self-love. Sadhguru when has a vision is willing to involve himself to death. Which you may think as something honorable, but it is not. It is in fact counter productive. It is by self-love and caring for your well being that the vision you have in mind becomes reality in the best way possible.

Beyond this, I disliked very much that he took painkillers and sedatives to just numb the feelings and keep his schedule for a few days more. He did it out of integrity for others but lacked the integrity towards oneself and his own health. I wasn't expecting this behaviour from Sadhguru.

 

Sadhguru seems to have an understanding of present times and coming events. 

I remember watching a September video of his predicting a new turbulent event.  October came and the Hamas terrorist incident killing over a thousand Israelis took place on October 7.  I was impressed, and I know that such a psychic ability exists having witnessed the same in other accomplished yogis . 

Sadhguru senses the energies around the planet, and this could be a reason for his highly demanding schedule , possibly to arrest any negativity attaining critical mass levels.

His 'save the soil' campaign saw him riding 30000 km around the world in a hundred countries to create awareness on the matter. 

https://demonerosso.dainese.com/explorer/save-soil-sadhguru-motorcycle-journey

He has also spoken on the Ukraine and Hamas conflicts as well. The prospect of a nuclear war and holocaust is also high. 

This could be a reason why he drives himself hard to address strategic issues though it involves neglecting his own health. Just as a soldier would gladly give up his health and life to protect his country if needed, Sadhguru is doing the same for the world which is a laudable thing.

He is setting an example that might inspire young leaders to take up the planet's causes.

Edited March 25 by Ajay0

[Javfly33]

On 22/03/2024 at 9:41 AM, BlueOak said:

Consider it's a teacher's role to make belief systems more flexible. So if we put Sadghuru up on a pedestal for example, that isn't healthy. Leo is often going to tap at any absolute view you hold. 

If we consider anything absolute, it misses the point of experiencing life or infinity (from every conceivable perspective)
 

@BlueOak you have a point on that. 

The truth lies somewhere probably between sadhguru claims and Leo denial. We all kinda exploring the limits of infinity, I think Leo limits infinity when he takes that derrotist mentality. And sadhguru is try to see how unlimited it can be. 

I mean... isn´t mahasamadhi itself just the proof for oneself to verify Truth is real?

Everything is imagination...if we imagine limits they become reality.

Yesterday morning I entered 5-meo-dmt state doing shamavhi. In the same intensity. Absolute non-dual boundless clarity Reality is me. But Leo would say that is impossible .... well he´s obsessed with the limits of infinity. But infinity has no limits. We are creating them .

Edited March 25 by Javfly33

[Salvijus]

I want to write something thought provoking. 

Neem karoli baba. A miracle worker, King and highly embodied being of love consciousness. Known to do supernatural things that defy logic. Died in a hospital with some diseases in the body. 

Master Chao Kok Sui. One of the greatest healers of all times, have healed dozens and dozens of patients of all kinds of diseases. The are cases where people from a wheel chair would start to walk after his interference. Had many health problems in the body himself and died prematurely because of it. 

J. Krishnamurti. A prophecied prodigy by the theosophical society. A messiah of God levels of love consciousness. Died with pancreas cancer. 

Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. Known as a god of love with extraordinary spiritual capabilities, knowledge and perception. Died with cancer. 

Vivekananda. Another legend in spiritual circles. Died at 39 with many health problems. 

Ramana Maharshi. Died with cancer. 

These are some that I can think of of the top of my head. I feel confident somehow that if you did more research on this. You'd find an endless list of similar cases. 

Now why am I sharing this? I was hoping this would challenge people's perseption as to how many factiors there are in human health and how complex the whole thing is. Perhaps we don't know all the answers of what makes a person healthy. And what are all the laws (visible and invisible) that determine health that extend far beyond just 'overworking' or 'lack of self care' lol

I like one perspective on this subject as I heard one sage express his thoughts on "why enlightened beings get sick" he sayed, "the body itself is a disease..." wow. Quite a powerful thought. I was thinking for myself recently about this subject. Perhaps not to get sick is a violation of physical laws itself. Once you're on earth, you're bound to get some dust, there's no escaping it. 

For what it's worth. Sadhguru we if discount his brain incident, is probably one of the most vibrant and healthy individuals out there exceeding many norms in what the body can do on a daily basis. So that is also an interesting piece of data if you think he wasn't taking care of himself enough that should challenge that view perhaps. 

Edited March 25 by Salvijus

[Ishanga]

1 hour ago, Ajay0 said:

Sadhguru seems to have an understanding of present times and coming events. 

I remember watching a September video of his predicting a new turbulent event.  October came and the Hamas terrorist incident killing over a thousand Israelis took place on October 7.  I was impressed, and I know that such a psychic ability exists having witnessed the same in other accomplished yogis . 

Sadhguru senses the energies around the planet, and this could be a reason for his highly demanding schedule , possibly to arrest any negativity attaining critical mass levels.

His 'save the soil' campaign saw him riding 30000 km around the world in a hundred countries to create awareness on the matter. 

https://demonerosso.dainese.com/explorer/save-soil-sadhguru-motorcycle-journey

He has also spoken on the Ukraine and Hamas conflicts as well. The prospect of a nuclear war and holocaust is also high. 

This could be a reason why he drives himself hard to address strategic issues though it involves neglecting his own health. Just as a soldier would gladly give up his health and life to protect his country if needed, Sadhguru is doing the same for the world which is a laudable thing.

He is setting an example that might inspire young leaders to take up the planet's causes.

Well saidf! Yes, there's lots of things I imagine going on in his life behind the scene's which few know about, why publicize it and create drama, it takes away from what his plans are, so he goes on, coitizing it and his work ethic and commitment is so strange too me, doesn't make sense and comes from a egoic place imo!

[Davino]

14 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

so if this is true, then would it be more accurate for you to say him taking painkillers/sedatives too much, and overworking too much has contributed towards his brain hemorrhage far more than his apparent lack of 'self love'?

Those are manifestations, ramifications of his lack of self-love. Why did he behave the way he did it? Go to the source and see what it is for yourself

14 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

Are you saying that Sadhguru is too selfless, and should have been more selfish enough to care about himself more than others around him? The main issue here really is too much selflessness and not enough selfishness?

Don't go into philosophy domain here. You have a body, take care of it. That's all.

You know you are not your car, your self is not the car you drive, yet you feed it gas, clean it and bring it to the mechanic when it stops working properly. You don't keep pushing the gas pedal till it break downs and the mechanic has to repair it in the middle of the street. In the same way, your body is the vehicle of consciousness, the instrument of consciousness. Take care of it, stop making this more complicated than it actually is. Selflessness does not exclude loving your own body, nor it is selfish to take care of yourself and stablish healthy boundaries. This is how God would actually manage his own life, exquisite balance is the mark of the wise.

[Davino]

8 hours ago, Salvijus said:

There are many possible interpretations of the situation. I still think the one i proposed could be valid. Not out of defense but out of exploration of what's out there. And what makes sense and what doesn't. That's why I enjoyed your take because on some level it sounds logical. But there is logic in what I wrote aswell. I hoped you'd be able to appreciate it... 

This is not about being right, logical, explanations or perspectives. This is about the Truth

[Salvijus]

10 minutes ago, Davino said:

This is not about being right, logical, explanations or perspectives. This is about the Truth

Yes I agree. But the purpose of exploring different perspectives with an open mind is done exactly for the purpose of challenging our current understanding and gain deeper insight, wisdom, clarity into Truth of the matter. So. It's all good

Edited March 25 by Salvijus

[Razard86]

On 3/24/2024 at 8:37 AM, Ishanga said:

No need for self love, yes he takes care of the basics for himself, eating proper food and stuff, but he for sure is Purpose driven (even though he sort of doesn't like to use that terminology, again I think he is sort of in a "Don't do what I do, but do what I say" sort of situation), and maybe it is determined by a time limit of sorts.... Look Leo has health problems, he doesn't near work the same sort of schedule that Sadhguru has over the last 30yrs, so why give any creds to what he has to say about this situation when he himself is in bad health, lol... Shit happens, I'm sure Sadhguru will be hopping on the horse once again doing what he does regardless of what anyone says!

You are very attached to Sadhguru. You are very invested in defending him. He doesn't need you to defend him. Also a friend once told me a wise saying "A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still." You aren't going to be changing anyone's opinion of him. Also the moment you accuse another person of judging, you are guilty of the same thing. There is a difference between judgment and discernment.

Me telling someone it isn't advantageous to drink poison isn't a judgment. Me telling someone they are a fool for drinking poison isn't a judgment. Me telling a person they are evil is a judgment. The line between discernment and judgment is thin, but it exists for a reason. Sadhguru isn't perfect, like all humans he has flaws. Without flaws there would be nothing to do. Without flaws there wouldn't be Isha Foundation, Save Soil, Actualized.org, etc. Flaws are there so we have something to work on.

[Danioover9000]

@Davino

36 minutes ago, Davino said:

Those are manifestations, ramifications of his lack of self-love. Why did he behave the way he did it? Go to the source and see what it is for yourself

Don't go into philosophy domain here. You have a body, take care of it. That's all.

You know you are not your car, your self is not the car you drive, yet you feed it gas, clean it and bring it to the mechanic when it stops working properly. You don't keep pushing the gas pedal till it break downs and the mechanic has to repair it in the middle of the street. In the same way, your body is the vehicle of consciousness, the instrument of consciousness. Take care of it, stop making this more complicated than it actually is. Selflessness does not exclude loving your own body, nor it is selfish to take care of yourself and stablish healthy boundaries. This is how God would actually manage his own life, exquisite balance is the mark of the wise.

   I'm not going into philosophical domains here. I'm just pointing out your logic here, that Sadhguru's lack of self love is a consequence of too much selflessness towards others, and him overworking and taking pills, according to your argument here. And you sometimes slippery slope and switcheroo between lack of self love to taking too much pills/overworking.

   I understand you making a hypothetical that I'm not some car or body and I'm some souls here, but I won't engage with that. I'm more interested in your framing of Sadhguru and his situation, and how some users here extremify to either ends here. If it's true this is 'how god would actually manage his own life', albeit so many hidden assumptions in that statement alone, if that's true then why did you your earlier posts took a more aggressive stance against Sadhguru and his situation? Why did you allow yourself this sunk cost fallacy and over commit to it? A more stronger and careful take would've been to state your position, state Sadhuru's situation with more care and not take sides too strongly, that you should've stated how this is a spectrum of spirituality/health that must be actively balanced.

[Danioover9000]

@Razard86

18 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

You are very attached to Sadhguru. You are very invested in defending him. He doesn't need you to defend him. Also a friend once told me a wise saying "A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still." You aren't going to be changing anyone's opinion of him. Also the moment you accuse another person of judging, you are guilty of the same thing. There is a difference between judgment and discernment.

Me telling someone it isn't advantageous to drink poison isn't a judgment. Me telling someone they are a fool for drinking poison isn't a judgment. Me telling a person they are evil is a judgment. The line between discernment and judgment is thin, but it exists for a reason. Sadhguru isn't perfect, like all humans he has flaws. Without flaws there would be nothing to do. Without flaws there wouldn't be Isha Foundation, Save Soil, Actualized.org, etc. Flaws are there so we have something to work on.

   From sunk cost fallacy, to mind reading, to projecting, to ad hominem, and generalizing, and making false equivalences and false dilemmas, what point are you trying to make here? Is your main point that Sadhguru overworked and took too many pills and ignored his health issues, or that regardless of himself overworking that he's a guru and yogi, a spiritually gifted person so he'll heal far quicker?

 

   Also why are you making a false conflation between judging and discernment? Those words are both different AND similar in meaning, so why are you cherry picking the words meanings here?

[BlueOak]

4 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

@BlueOak you have a point on that. 

The truth lies somewhere probably between sadhguru claims and Leo denial. We all kinda exploring the limits of infinity, I think Leo limits infinity when he takes that derrotist mentality. And sadhguru is try to see how unlimited it can be. 

I mean... isn´t mahasamadhi itself just the proof for oneself to verify Truth is real?

Everything is imagination...if we imagine limits they become reality.

Yesterday morning I entered 5-meo-dmt state doing shamavhi. In the same intensity. Absolute non-dual boundless clarity Reality is me. But Leo would say that is impossible .... well he´s obsessed with the limits of infinity. But infinity has no limits. We are creating them .

So light hits the prism of earth and we see a small band of what becomes visible. With meditation, substances, and certain practices like the third eye, or work on intuition you can see or interact with more. Certain technologies allow other things to be used or manifested on earth from further afield, infra red or ultra violet for example.

Mahasamadhi for me lets me leave the body and be my greater intelligence or 'capacity', which is available to be after this life if we want it, or we can go around again, by altering small details like we would tweak a melody in production.

We do create limits yes, but can you see this implies a level of detachment?

I would say you are the limit, or you are the object, obstacle, success, movement, answer etc. It doesn't look like it some days, especially at our lowest in a passive state, but then our state of mind/being would be the limit in that case.

Other people can often be the answer, because our bias is our past, and often to grow we need to look at their perspective of viewing this light hitting the earth and showing them infinity through another lens. Sometimes we don't need any other perspective at all, but often some skill is lacking, a mistake they made can be learned from, some knowledge, or an item we need produced etc.

 

Edited March 25 by BlueOak