Sadhguru undergoes emergency brain surgery after ‘life-threatening bleeding’

[BlueOak]

From personal experience. Meditation relieves a lot of issues, and allows increased healing, (focused attention on the area and intent) especially in the deep states someone like this can reach. It affects the internal and external events you'll experience.

Sometimes though life teaches you a hard lesson no matter who you are.

Ignoring your health is a lesson lots of people experience for different reasons. If you've got a concern go get it checked, don't invent reasons why you are not doing, even if you were there last week, go again. Listen to your body, its how you are in this life. I just went yesterday for a minor thing which the nurse said could have been major, so we did a few tests.

Edited March 22, 2024 by BlueOak

[Javfly33]

17 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

This shows the fantasies you guys have about this work.

There should be nothing shocking about this.

@Leo Gura Fantasies? Now you are not making sense. So you basically are saying Yogis have the same state of being that your cashier at Walmarts or what? Is all fake for you? 

Maybe this tools do not work, maybe humans constructed a lie, but the point of it very clear. Nobody is doing Yoga to just be peaceful as someone that comes from a SPA or a relaxant massage. 

For that...yeah, you might better just go to a Spa which is easier and faster.

What you saying about projecting responsibility to the 'imaginary' genetics you once said they were, seems incredibly simplistic and derrotist.

We might as well just stop doing anything, if you basically saying no matter if you do psychedelics or consciousness practices your states of consciousness will not change.  

Edited March 22, 2024 by Javfly33

[BlueOak]

1 hour ago, Javfly33 said:

@Leo Gura Fantasies? Now you are not making sense. So you basically are saying Yogis have the same state of being that your cashier at Walmarts or what? Is all fake for you? 

Maybe this tools do not work, maybe humans constructed a lie, but the point of it very clear. Nobody is doing Yoga to just be peaceful as someone that comes from a SPA or a relaxant massage. 

For that...yeah, you might better just go to a Spa which is easier and faster.

What you saying about projecting responsibility to the 'imaginary' genetics you once said they were, seems incredibly simplistic and derrotist.

We might as well just stop doing anything, if you basically saying no matter if you do psychedelics or consciousness practices your states of consciousness will not change.  

Consider it's a teacher's role to make belief systems more flexible. So if we put Sadghuru up on a pedestal for example, that isn't healthy. Leo is often going to tap at any absolute view you hold. 

If we consider anything absolute, it misses the point of experiencing life or infinity (from every conceivable perspective)

If I were pushing the opposite way, fantasies can cause wars, death, and marriages to fall apart, great loves, joys, you to breathe and be born. The power of understanding Genes can unlock some of the most extreme fantasies imaginable. Even if it's due to human consciousness raising to the point where identities are no longer absolute or fixed. People are more able to choose their life's trajectory, selecting healthy genes before birth to eliminate unnecessary suffering as part of the manifestation of that reality.

*Also you are the guru and the shop clerk.

Edited March 22, 2024 by BlueOak

[Danioover9000]

@Javfly33

6 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

@Leo Gura Fantasies? Now you are not making sense. So you basically are saying Yogis have the same state of being that your cashier at Walmarts or what? Is all fake for you? 

Maybe this tools do not work, maybe humans constructed a lie, but the point of it very clear. Nobody is doing Yoga to just be peaceful as someone that comes from a SPA or a relaxant massage. 

For that...yeah, you might better just go to a Spa which is easier and faster.

What you saying about projecting responsibility to the 'imaginary' genetics you once said they were, seems incredibly simplistic and derrotist.

We might as well just stop doing anything, if you basically saying no matter if you do psychedelics or consciousness practices your states of consciousness will not change.  

   I agree there were a few fallacies made here like the projection argument and ad hominem/begging the question, which once again it all started with a bad framing for this discourse.

   Also yes, some spiritual communities are similarly guilty of ad hominems and question begging, and circular logic, but IMO that is insufficient justification to be demeaning to Sadhguru when he's in this emergency health situation. As far as my guess with Leo's take here? I think he's trying to state there are many degrees of awakening and spiritual experiences, while stating that no matter your genetics for spirituality, your body is still finite and limited, and is still being effected by causes within this world's physicality logic. I'm guessing he's just saying there are hierarchies and orders to these spiritual experiences, in kinds and degrees. I don't think he's triyng to downplay or demonize Sadhguru, dunk on him to prop up his psychedelic spirit methodology or be nihilistic. I could be wrong.

[Ishanga]

15 hours ago, BlueOak said:

From personal experience. Meditation relieves a lot of issues, and allows increased healing, (focused attention on the area and intent) especially in the deep states someone like this can reach. It affects the internal and external events you'll experience.

Sometimes though life teaches you a hard lesson no matter who you are.

Ignoring your health is a lesson lots of people experience for different reasons. If you've got a concern go get it checked, don't invent reasons why you are not doing, even if you were there last week, go again. Listen to your body, its how you are in this life. I just went yesterday for a minor thing which the nurse said could have been major, so we did a few tests.

There's really no such thing as "Meditation", in Yoga and Indian Spirituality, there are many forms of Sadhana or Spiritual Practices, Shiva/Adi Yogi is said to have said there are 112ways for a human being to become Realized/Enlightened, Buddhism is just 1 of those methods... What You want is to be Meditative, which is a basic state of Ease within Yourself, when this happens the natural Intelligence that is a part of You and the entire Universe comes more into Your Awareness, there are many methods to make this happen..

For the Avg person, yes if something feels wrong go see a doctor or health specialist, for other sorts of ppl maybe this is not what is the right thing to do..,Stallone has said many times that after he is done with a project (mostly when directing) he usually gets sick, its like it was being held back then it comes after the goal is achieved, its the same for ppl like Sadhguru, he probably knew exactly what was happening but put his commitments before his health, this is the way he is, others may not want to do it like this, that is their choice, there is no right or wrong here, but when on a mission of sorts, and your determined to get something done, the body has a way to make itself alright until the mission is over...

[Ishanga]

9 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Javfly33

   I agree there were a few fallacies made here like the projection argument and ad hominem/begging the question, which once again it all started with a bad framing for this discourse.

   Also yes, some spiritual communities are similarly guilty of ad hominems and question begging, and circular logic, but IMO that is insufficient justification to be demeaning to Sadhguru when he's in this emergency health situation. As far as my guess with Leo's take here? I think he's trying to state there are many degrees of awakening and spiritual experiences, while stating that no matter your genetics for spirituality, your body is still finite and limited, and is still being effected by causes within this world's physicality logic. I'm guessing he's just saying there are hierarchies and orders to these spiritual experiences, in kinds and degrees. I don't think he's triyng to downplay or demonize Sadhguru, dunk on him to prop up his psychedelic spirit methodology or be nihilistic. I could be wrong.

The simple fact is the Leo has no idea what Sadhguru is about or what he is trying to do, he thinks he does on a Intellectual level looking from afar, but he really doesn't know what is what in this regard, so he make assumptions which have no credibility!

[Yimpa]

46 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

The simple fact is the Leo has no idea what Sadhguru is about or what he is trying to do, he thinks he does on a Intellectual level looking from afar, but he really doesn't know what is what in this regard, so he make assumptions which have no credibility!

[zazen]

52 minutes ago, Bandman said:

isn't the whole idea of yoga to engineer your own inner system?

Are you being cynical about being able to learn to control your own state and body?

Yoga can orient and guide your body's existing systems and structures toward a state of bliss, but it doesn't reconstruct or re-engineer those systems and structures. It doesn't grant immunity from the world. 

The focus shouldn't be on magnifying such assertions to the point they hinder practitioners. Especially if many of them already harbor superstitions, belief in miracles, and a mythic interpretation of religion. 

[Salvijus]

"About volunteers not being payed"

The thing is. Sadhguru himself is not being payed. All the resources are being invested in to fulfill the Vision that includes a better life for All on the planet. The ones that are being payed and benefited by their work are us actually. The lazy grumpy people complaining on the internet. 

Edited March 23, 2024 by Salvijus

[Danioover9000]

@Ishanga

14 hours ago, Ishanga said:

The simple fact is the Leo has no idea what Sadhguru is about or what he is trying to do, he thinks he does on a Intellectual level looking from afar, but he really doesn't know what is what in this regard, so he make assumptions which have no credibility!

   Careful, you also are committing those fallacies yourself with your claim's of @Leo Gura's character, assuming Leo has no idea and knowledge about Sadhguru and his actions. It's true that most users here are belittling Sadhguru and his spiritual methods despite knowing from OP the health issue he's currently facing, but Leo seems less guilty of those fallacies...other than when he brings up psychedelics. and ranks spiritual experiences. 

[Danioover9000]

@Bandman

3 hours ago, Bandman said:

isn't the whole idea of yoga to engineer your own inner system?

Are you being cynical about being able to learn to control your own state and body?

   I would claim that Yoga, just like Chinese medicine, alternative medicines, is great for dealing with soft/subtle issues of the mind/body that western scientists and western medicine today struggle with, yet Yoga and alternative medicine is bad when dealing with hardcore/obvious physical damages to the mind/body that western medicine can treat for. Main issue here is people on the other side blindly believing that yoga can help you regrow your lst arms, or bones, or replace your legs magically, yet that's a dangerous assumption and belief to make.

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Salvijus said:

"About volunteers not being payed"

The thing is. Sadhguru himself is not being payed. All the resources are being invested in to fulfill the Vision that includes a better life for All on the planet. The ones that are being payed and benefited by their work are us actually. The lazy grumpy people complaining on the internet. 

It seems that sadhguru has noble and authentic intentions, but that does not mean that he is not deluded. I would say that he has become deified. He has become a world celebrity, and he is still human. Lately he was saying strange things and with a false touch. Any human is susceptible to corruption, even without realizing it. People thought sadhguru is a demigod on earth, and I see a smart and ambitious guy with a normal level of awakening 

[Salvijus]

22 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

People thought sadhguru is a demigod on earth, and I see a smart and ambitious guy with a normal level of awakening 

It is good that you have your own perception. Everyone is free to have their own opinion of a person based on their level of understanding and perception. This is good. And I'm not interested in interfering with that.

However there some topics that I find interesting that have potential for exploration and new insight. Like: the differences between slavary and volunteering, or the beauty of a devotee and surrender, the role of a shepherd on one's path and its depth and possiblities etc. This is where the gold of discussion is to me. 

Edited March 23, 2024 by Salvijus

[Breakingthewall]

57 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

However there some topics that I find interesting that have potential for exploration and new insight. Like: the differences between slavary and volunteering, or the beauty of a devotee and surrender, the role of a shepherd on one's path and its depth and possiblities etc. This is where the gold of discussion is to me. 

The question is where the true will to serve ends and where the ego begins. It is very difficult to say, sadhguru seems authentic on the one hand, but on the other hand he treats people like children, he automatically places himself in a position of superiority, which many see justified, since he is an enlightened being, etc., but perhaps it is not so enlightened and has a big ego that is fueled by gratitude and admiration. is this impossible? For believers it is sacrilegious, but seeing how human nature is, it is quite likely. What I know is that he says a lot of strange statements, and seems that he tries to do paliative care for people, not real awakening, because they are kids not capable to reach so high lever, reserved for him

Edited March 23, 2024 by Breakingthewall

[Davino]

On 22/3/2024 at 0:40 AM, Ishanga said:

Can they have things happen to them like in Sadhguru's case? Yes. Maybe he knew this was happening and let it happen anyways to keep his commitments?

The deal is he abused himself to the point of an emergency brain surgery. He lacked the self-love to take care of his own body when it was asking for help and decided to numb it with drugs to keep going on till it got unsustainable.

On 22/3/2024 at 0:40 AM, Ishanga said:

When he was building and consecrating the Dylanalinga, his Wife was involved with the process, she took Mahasamahdi just before they were completed with it, they had a 6/7yr old daughter at the time, he went on and finished it (there were 3 ppl involved, him, his wife and another person), so that is his level of commitment

Yes, surely nobody is questioning his level of commitment. Just some blindspots and improvements in his way of commiting to some vision. A more healthy commitment. Although Sadghuru's personality has always been like this.

With the Dylanalinga project the situation was much worse. The closest attempt to consecrate a Dylanalinga took place almost one thousand years ago in Bhopal. The process, though grand, failed in the final stages. Sadghuru really wanted to make such a rare linga with all the yogic energies encapsulated in it and didn't care dying for it.

Look the before and after in just 8 months. Her wife decided to leave the body after finishing the Dylanalinga. Most people were certain Sadghuru would do the same a few after.

 

So there is no surprise really. Sadghuru has always immolated himself for the projects he believed in. Although, I do not share such approach and in a way lacks self love, but he seems to be like this.

 

 

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

The question is where the true will to serve ends and where the ego begins

Everyone should judge for themselves. Everyone will have their own perception and it's okay. 100 people will have 100 different perceptions of the same person based on their own level of insight and wisdom.

I'm not interested in debating who has the most accurate perception of the situation. I'm rather interested discussing and exploring topics that foster self-reflection, contemplation, intellect, challenge our ego etc. That way it's much more fruitful. 

Edited March 23, 2024 by Salvijus

[Danioover9000]

@Davino

54 minutes ago, Davino said:

The deal is he abused himself to the point of an emergency brain surgery. He lacked the self-love to take care of his own body when it was asking for help and decided to numb it with drugs to keep going on till it got unsustainable.

Yes, surely nobody is questioning his level of commitment. Just some blindspots and improvements in his way of commiting to some vision. A more healthy commitment. Although Sadghuru's personality has always been like this.

With the Dylanalinga project the situation was much worse. The closest attempt to consecrate a Dylanalinga took place almost one thousand years ago in Bhopal. The process, though grand, failed in the final stages. Sadghuru really wanted to make such a rare linga with all the yogic energies encapsulated in it and didn't care dying for it.

Look the before and after in just 8 months. Her wife decided to leave the body after finishing the Dylanalinga. Most people were certain Sadghuru would do the same a few after.

 

So there is no surprise really. Sadghuru has always immolated himself for the projects he believed in. Although, I do not share such approach and in a way lacks self love, but he seems to be like this.

 

 

   So now you're expanding your argument towards Sadhuru's health condition to include one of the causes as lack of self love, other than over working, taking too many pain killers, among other points?

[Danioover9000]

@Salvijus

53 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Everyone should judge for themselves. Everyone will have their own perception and it's okay. 100 people will have 100 different perceptions of the same person based on their own level of insight and wisdom.

I'm not interested in debating who has the most accurate perception of the situation. I'm rather interested discussing and exploring topics that foster self-reflection, contemplation, intellect, challenge our ego etc. That way it's much more fruitful. 

   From the band wagon fallacy, to appeals to popularity and generalization, to even the false dichotomy, 'Everyone should judge for themselves. Everyone will have their own perception and it's okay.', how is it okay that '100 people will have 100 different perceptions of the same person based on their own level of insight and wisdom.'?

   Why are you not interested in debating who has the most accurate perception of this situation? Especially when we have some users who make crazy claims about Sadhguru's spirituality and health situation, some users accusing Sadhguru is over working and ignored his health therefore unfit to be some enlightenment Yogi, some claiming this severe health crisis is nothing and that he can heal it via mind eye powers, some psychedelics users even demeaning him here and causing these 2 spiritualist groups to moral and spirit grandstand each other... 

[Salvijus]

33 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

Why are you not interested in debating who has the most accurate perception of this situation?

I meant to say fighting and defending your perception over others is futile because everyone sees according to their own level of development, self-awareness and purity of mind. And it's bad taste to impose your view on others anyway. 

I believe encouraging/fostering/promoting deeper self-reflection, deeper contemplation, deeper awareness, deeper honesty is the only worthwhile thing to do. And this will naturally lead in better judgement and perception of the situation. Plus it's not confrontational. We all get to be friends that way, yey!

 

Edited March 23, 2024 by Salvijus

[Breakingthewall]

3 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

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1 hour ago, Davino said:

Her wife decided to leave the body

I'm sorry to be skeptical but I read that and alarm bells go off everywhere. mashamadi? First, is that real? Second, was the wife a mystic on the level of Ramakrishna and people like that? who says it? It sounds like marketing, superstition and lies