Sadhguru undergoes emergency brain surgery after ‘life-threatening bleeding’

[Salvijus]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

Let's wait and see what Sadhguru says about his condition. I admit I was a bit hasty in jumping to conclusions.

🥲🥹🤧

[Schizophonia]

3 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

This thread is about yoga vs psychedelics? 

I don’t know what ad hominem means but Yea this is not cool. 

The fact is that Sadhguru is skinny fat, has poor speech flow, generally looks stoned, and now we learn that his brain almost exploded.
There is something wrong with him.

23 hours ago, RendHeaven said:

New Orangina bottle shouldn't be too hard to find these days ; ) 

 

[Danioover9000]

@Salvijus

6 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

This thread is about yoga vs psychedelics? 

I don’t know what ad hominem means but Yea this is not cool. 

   No, originally this thread, by the OP is 'Sadhguru undergoes emergency brain surgery after life threatening bleeding.' So in theory it's supposed to mostly be about health issues of the brain, news about Sadhguru and his health condition. Also the Yoga versus psychedelics was being brought up for several pages on, along with other domains alongside the Yoga versus psychedelics that makes me uncomfortable because we're talking about a guy that suffered some aneurism of the brain. We all shouldn't be behaving like this and instead praying for his recovery. 

@Yali

On 2024-03-20 at 0:48 PM, Yali said:

No amount of enlightenment will save you from a lack of health.

https://www.opindia.com/2024/03/sadhguru-jaggi-vasudev-undergoes-emergency-brain-surgery-at-apollo-delhi-bleeding/

 

 

   Technically IMO this is a bad framing by the OP, this should be mostly a health topic. He's shoe horning in enlightenment and spirituality alongside a health event. OP's framing is why this thread is derailing and lowering in quality as time passes on.

   Ad Hominems:

 

Edited March 21, 2024 by Danioover9000

[Carl-Richard]

23 hours ago, Osaid said:

I've gotten that stubborn illness-defying vibe from him before. I think he got sick on a ship once and basically refused treatment from everyone. To be fair it seems he did heal afterwards.

If you'll allow me a moment of starry-eyed idolization of a spiritual guru, it does seem like he has a "third eye" kind of control of it though. He seems to only give in once it's absolutely necessary, which for him is apparently multiple brain hemorrhages deep. And it's not completely mysterious either: people in these states of consciousness tend to be incredibly resilient, and the same can be said of their intuitive foresight (or luck or whatever). If your goal is to run arguably the biggest "spiritual" organization in the world as smooth as a whistle, and you have these qualities, the level of damage or dysfunction where you feel like tapping out will be significantly higher than most people. That said, maybe he got out of his depth and was simply lucky he didn't die.

As for spirituality not being a cure for genetic ailments, it's not like you can avoid a brain hemorrhage if that is what is going to happen, but how you deal with it in terms of healing is very dependent on things like your mental state and general physical health. This is mainstream knowledge now. If you take a course in biological/health psychology, it's all about the fuzzy boundaries between mind and brain: psychosomatic illnesses, functional somatic disorders, subjective health complaints, the placebo effect, mental coping and appraisal being an integral component of the stress response, mental coping and cognitive therapies being used to deal with chronic physical illnesses, mental disorders like PTSD being associated with negative physical health effects like cardiovascular disease, the 7 factors of "resilience" that protect you from disease are mental/social in nature, etc.

Edited March 21, 2024 by Carl-Richard

[Salvijus]

1 minute ago, Danioover9000 said:

Also the Yoga versus psychedelics was being brought up for several pages on, along with other domains alongside the Yoga versus psychedelics that makes me uncomfortable because we're talking about a guy that suffered some aneurism of the brain. We all shouldn't be behaving like this and instead praying for his recovery. 

Oh okay

[Yali]

5 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

Technically IMO this is a bad framing by the OP

Bad framing in what sense? @Danioover9000

The point is that even enlightened individuals are not immune to the suffering that results from health problems, which is a completely valid point to make. And something that many people need to be reminded of.

Edited March 21, 2024 by Yali

[Danioover9000]

@Yali

Just now, Yali said:

Bad framing in what sense? @Danioover9000

The point is that even enlightened individuals are not above a lack of health.

   Bad framing because you introduced 'Sadhguru undergoes emergency brain surgery after ‘life-threatening bleeding’', but then followed by the qualifier of 'even enlightened individuals are not above a lack of health.' so which is it? A discourse of the health crisis, or a discourse of undermining spirituality? All the while when being fully aware that Sadhguru's life is hanging by the thread of neuroscientists and surgeons trying to save his life. Do you have any semblance of morality or human decency by trying to insinuate an insult towards him? Are you aware you are kicking a person insensitively when he's fighting for his life right now? Is the reason why you made this thread just to attack and stir up drama among some users here who follow Sadhguru? This is why your framing of this entire situation is a bit bad faith and causing some users here in-fighting, which also causes more moderator work to manage this thread, see?

[CosmicExplorer]

6 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

but how you deal with it in terms of healing is very dependent on things like your mental state and general physical health. This is mainstream knowledge now. The course I just took in biological psychology was all about the fuzzy boundaries between mind and brain: psychosomatic illnesses, functional somatic disorders, the placebo effect, mental coping and appraisal being an integral component of the stress response, mental coping and cognitive therapies being used to deal with chronic physical illnesses, mental disorders like PTSD being associated with negative physical health effects like cardiovascular disease, the 7 factors of "resilience" that protect you from disease are mental/social in nature, etc.

Things like neuroticism are just as much genetically dependent as schizophrenia or obesity

[Carl-Richard]

1 minute ago, CosmicExplorer said:

Things like neuroticism are just as much genetically dependent as schizophrenia or obesity

But are genes for brain hemorrhages dependent on genes for neuroticism?

[Osaid]

6 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

If you'll allow me a moment of starry-eyed idolization of a spiritual guru, it does seem like he has a "third eye" kind of control of it though. He seems to only give in once it's absolutely necessary, which for him is apparently multiple brain hemorrhages deep. And it's not completely mysterious either: people in these states of consciousness tend to be incredibly resilient, and the same can be said of their intuitive foresight (or luck or whatever). If your goal is to run arguably the biggest "spiritual" organization in the world as smooth as a whistle, and you have these qualities, the level of damage or dysfunction where you feel like tapping out will be significantly higher than the majority of people.

I'm not really making any judgments or assumptions about him because the truth is I have no idea what he thinks or what his intentions are. I'm just reporting what I have personally noticed about him. It seemed like he really didn't care about the pain until the last second, like you said. And he has healed himself every time. And it is a rare occurrence to begin with. So good for him I guess and I hope he recovers well. Will be interesting to see him back later on.

[Yali]

7 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

so which is it? A discourse of the health crisis, or a discourse of undermining spirituality?

The point I’m trying to make is that even enlightened individuals are vulnerable to suffering if they lose their health. Nothing about that argument is of bad faith, but you seem to think so. @Danioover9000

[Princess Arabia]

6 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Yali

   Bad framing because you introduced 'Sadhguru undergoes emergency brain surgery after ‘life-threatening bleeding’', but then followed by the qualifier of 'even enlightened individuals are not above a lack of health.' so which is it? A discourse of the health crisis, or a discourse of undermining spirituality? All the while when being fully aware that Sadhguru's life is hanging by the thread of neuroscientists and surgeons trying to save his life. Do you have any semblance of morality or human decency by trying to insinuate an insult towards him? Are you aware you are kicking a person insensitively when he's fighting for his life right now? Is the reason why you made this thread just to attack and stir up drama among some users here who follow Sadhguru? This is why your framing of this entire situation is a bit bad faith and causing some users here in-fighting, which also causes more moderator work to manage this thread, see?

oh my, no need to go there. Now you're unnecessarily doing the same thing you're accusing him of which I see no wrong doing on his part. Expect these conversations to happen with a famous individual and I don't see anyone here taking Sadhguru's health condition lightly. 

[Yali]

1 minute ago, Princess Arabia said:

I don't see anyone here taking Sadhguru's health condition lightly. 

No one is. @Danioover9000 is simply projecting.

Edited March 21, 2024 by Yali

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, Yali said:

No one is. @Danioover9000 is simply projecting.

I'll just leave it at that so this doesn't get too out of context and dragged on. I'll just say, I don't see where what you said was so out of place as you were merely speaking from your own thoughts about the situation. 

[Danioover9000]

@Princess Arabia

32 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

oh my, no need to go there. Now you're unnecessarily doing the same thing you're accusing him of which I see no wrong doing on his part. Expect these conversations to happen with a famous individual and I don't see anyone here taking Sadhguru's health condition lightly. 

   Yet there are some users here taking his health condition making light of his situation while sneaking in their bias and hate for spirituality and Yoga/psychedelics. I just find his title misleading from his post. He should have titled it like 'Are Gurus really immune to health issues? The case of Sadhgurus situation', and appropriately context it that way formally and tried to frame it without being so triggering, but there's this misleading relationship between his click bait title to his framing of the post. It's logical that his first post sets the tone and conversation forwards which increases the probability of insults, name calling, low quality threads, derailing, and so on bad forum behavior, inviting unnecessary drama, as evidenced by how many mods and the admin himself being here. But I'll back off and leave this thread as it's clear this'll not last the distance. 

[Danioover9000]

@Yali

39 minutes ago, Yali said:

The point I’m trying to make is that even enlightened individuals are vulnerable to suffering if they lose their health. Nothing about that argument is of bad faith, but you seem to think so. @Danioover9000

   Because of the difference in how you worded your title to your post. Please reflect on those differences.

38 minutes ago, Yali said:

No one is. @Danioover9000 is simply projecting.

   If I'm simply projecting? Again, look at how you titled your post to your post. But I'm done, this thread won't last.   

[Ishanga]

Can Enlightened Ppl get in Car Accidents? Yes.  Can they have things happen to them like in Sadhguru's case? Yes. Maybe he knew this was happening and let it happen anyways to keep his commitments? Maybe not, I don't know, but it seems to me that he is a person that likes to keep his commitments at most any cost.  When he was building and consecrating the Dylanalinga, his Wife was involved with the process, she took Mahasamahdi just before they were completed with it, they had a 6/7yr old daughter at the time, he went on and finished it (there were 3 ppl involved, him, his wife and another person), so that is his level of commitment, although I did hear he did take her passing very hard on certain levels..

I also think, even though he says allot of miraculous things, like you can have 100% of Your destiny in your hands, its a "don't do what I do, but do what I say" sort of situation, his life obviously is not the same as most of ours, he's obviously on a grand mission or plan on a large scale, so I wouldn't spite him for saying somethings and not doing it like that for himself..He can access most any dimension of existence that he wants, but as with anything it takes practice and intention, if that is not his intention then it is not available to him at all times, if he makes it his intention then it is. His intention is pretty clear, to help as many ppl (like You and Me, regular folk) live higher quality lives, and if one want to go beyond that and live to their highest possibility in this lifetime rather than many, its that simple!

 

Some of the talk here is pretty petty, shows allot!

Edited March 21, 2024 by Ishanga

[Danioover9000]

@Ishanga

56 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Can Enlightened Ppl get in Car Accidents? Yes.  Can they have things happen to them like in Sadhguru's case? Yes. Maybe he knew this was happening and let it happen anyways to keep his commitments? Maybe not, I don't know, but it seems to me that he is a person that likes to keep his commitments at most any cost.  When he was building and consecrating the Dylanalinga, his Wife was involved with the process, she took Mahasamahdi just before they were completed with it, they had a 6/7yr old daughter at the time, he went on and finished it (there were 3 ppl involved, him, his wife and another person), so that is his level of commitment, although I did hear he did take her passing very hard on certain levels..

I also think, even though he says allot of miraculous things, like you can have 100% of Your destiny in your hands, its a "don't do what I do, but do what I say" sort of situation, his life obviously is not the same as most of ours, he's obviously on a grand mission or plan on a large scale, so I wouldn't spite him for saying somethings and not doing it like that for himself..He can access most any dimension of existence that he wants, but as with anything it takes practice and intention, if that is not his intention then it is not available to him at all times, if he makes it his intention then it is. His intention is pretty clear, to help as many ppl (like You and Me, regular folk) live higher quality lives, and if one want to go beyond that and live to their highest possibility in this lifetime rather than many, its that simple!

 

Some of the talk here is pretty petty, shows allot!

   I agree. If we hold spiritual masters, Zen monks, Buddhists, Gurus, and so on on a higher standard, or a high standard, we should respect them to some degree. If we respect @Leo Gura and his work here, then we should extend that same standard to Sadhguru and other spiritual masters that have their higher calling. Tangent but this whole thread is like this due to how it's setup from the beginning so no surprise it's this petty.

   I don't even know why this is in the society/political/government sub forum, this SHOULD BE IN THE HEALTH FORUM!🤦‍♀️ 

[Yali]

@Danioover9000

I haven’t read through most of the replies on this thread, so I’m not really sure what drama you’re speaking of. All I know is that I copied the title of the linked article and made that the title of this thread.

[Ajay0]

17 hours ago, ZenAlex said:

He was in such incredible pain that none of his techniques would suffice and he needed the help of science and technology.

Due to his heavy work schedule he did not want to waste time resting and recuperating, and that's why he used sedatives and painkillers. It actually showcases his commitment to his vision and ideals.

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This should enlighten everyone as to why it is compassionate to allow assisted suicide at times because there's only so much anyone can bear, regardless of there level of mental discipline.

A yogi can leave his body at will. Yogananda and Lahiri Mahasaya left their bodies at will. It is known as Mahasamadhi  (a yogi's conscious exit from the body).

If Sadhguru wanted to leave his body he can do so any moment considering his abilities in this regard. He has no need for 'assisted suicide'.

There is a tradition of  voluntary suicide in eastern religions known as Sallekhana, but this is something that should be attempted only in extreme old age or highly diseased state of an irreversible nature, when there is no other option for healing and attaining proper health . 

The young and healthy are forbidden from Sallekhana, as it would amount to cowardice and unconscious action on their part.