Open AI CTO Interview (Sora videos)

[Bobby_2021]

On 3/20/2024 at 10:24 AM, Leo Gura said:

Obviously all these AI companies are at the very minimum scraping the entire public internet and every major social media platform for their data. And then on top of that they are probably accessing paywalled stuff.

Accessing it is not illegal. You could make a moral case for why it shouldn't. But all of that is in public domain. You can access it and scrap it. It is against their terms of service but it's not illegal. 

It becomes illegal if you post is on your name as it is. If you use that content to generate content that is creatively adding on top of it, then it isn't even a moral issue. 

Sort of like you can post reaction videos to the videos of other creators. But you can't post their content in your name as it is. 

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P.S. anyone who wants their content removed from their training set can have them removed. Or get any compensation for any financial damages you had to incur by them stealing your content. But none of that probably did happen. People are okay with it since they are getting more value from getting their data trained on AI rather than not training and not having an AI. 

Edited March 21 by Bobby_2021

[Leo Gura]

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Accessing it is not illegal.

For paywalled stuff, I would say it is.

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If you use that content to generate content that is creatively adding on top of it, then it isn't even a moral issue. 

One aspect of Fair Use doctrine is that you can't use someone's work to profitably compete with and replace their work.

The New York Times is suing OpenAI for this very thing. We'll see how that plays out. OpenAI scraped their paywalled articles.

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P.S. anyone who wants their content removed from their training set can have them removed

That's BS. It is not easy to get your content removed from these AIs.

Edited March 21 by Leo Gura

[Bobby_2021]

30 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

For paywalled stuff, I would say it is.

They surely might have paid while accessing it. Once you get the content on your computer, you are free to scrap it. All they can do is to ban you for doing it. 

30 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

One aspect of Fair Use doctrine is that you can't use someone's work to profitably compete with and replace their work.

The New York Times is suing OpenAI for this very thing. We'll see how that plays out. OpenAI scrapped their paywalled articles.

Can't say much about this since this case is one of a kind.

The burden of proof is on NYT. 

But you can use the content from someone else, if you are significantly altering their content and creatively adding on top of it. That's basically generating *creatively new* content even if it uses the existing ones as input.

That's like using a paywalled article to quote and giving your own analysis on a blog post or article. Significant alteration take place such that it's impossible to detect any similarities with the original one. 

30 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

That's BS. It is not easy to get your content removed from these AIs.

I am saying you can put a case to sue them to get your content removed.

The reason it's impossible to remove them is because the content undergoes significant alterations before it's fed into the model. The content as such doesn't even exist in a way that retains it's original identity.

Which is the whole point.

But hey you are free to sue them. 

Edited March 21 by Bobby_2021

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

They surely might have paid while accessing it. Once you get the content on your computer, you are free to scrap it. All they can do is to ban you for doing it.

But not for massive profit.

I can't buy a porno and start reselling it to you guys as part of Leo's Ultimate Porno Collection.

Believe me, if I could I would.

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I am saying you can put a case to sue them to get your content removed.

That's really scummy though. Most people can't afford to sue a trillion dollar company.

All these AIs will require a YouTube-like take-down form.

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[Bobby_2021]

14 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

But not for massive profit.

I can't buy a porno and start reselling it to you guys as part of Leo's Ultimate Porno Collection.

Believe me, if I could I would.

But they are NOT *reselling* content exactly as it is. That would have been despicable and illegal. You cannot get any content from any AI that resembles anything from NYT or track back to it. 

14 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

That's really scummy though. Most people can't afford to sue a trillion dollar company.

They don't want to sue them since they did not incur any financial damages. If there were any damages, that would have been really scummy.

Instead it's the opposite. Massive value has been pumped into the economy. That's anything but scummy.

Programmers can now get work done faster. Researcher can do their work faster. Massive value. Why would you want to decrease the power of these models by removing data from their training sets.? 

It's not enough to prove that there was a violation of contract. You also have to prove some harm has been done. Nothing of that sort has happened here. So there isn't even a moral case against AI. 

Edited March 21 by Bobby_2021

[Davino]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I can't buy a porno and start reselling it to you guys as part of Leo's Ultimate Porno Collection.

Believe me, if I could I would.

Oh so this is the real reason why you are not sharing your collection with us you bastard ahahahhaha

I could answer so many things but I'm just laughing my ass off to your comment, omg I'm crying.

I imagine your last gift to humanity after many breakthrough contributions like the alien awakening course and jailbreaking your mind. You finally die of old age and your close ones gather to open your safe deposit box to find in shining Golden letters: 

Leo's Ultimate Porno Collection

 

[Davino]

2 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

But they are NOT *reselling* content exactly as it is. That would have been despicable and illegal. You cannot get any content from any AI that resembles anything from NYT or track back to it. 

That's what they will base their defense on probably. That the material was built on and improved not shared exactly, which does not violate copyright. So it will be the job of the NYT to prove such relationship

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, Davino said:

Oh so this is the real reason why you are not sharing your collection with us

OF COURSE!

[Davino]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

OF COURSE!

I always though it was because of privacy, so that we didn't know what you jerked off to. All this time your hands were tied by the law.

Leo the porno connoisseur always wanted to share his gems with us. Glad you have set the record straight.

 

[Leo Gura]

If I could legally sell my porn collection I would just retire on a tropical island and never work again. It's that good.

Edited March 21 by Leo Gura

[Davino]

Yeah keep doubling down on your statement

[Danioover9000]

@Davino

44 minutes ago, Davino said:

Yeah keep doubling down on your statement

   That's always the problem with sunk cost fallacy, you just keep on sinking down and down...

[Bobby_2021]

10 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

OF COURSE!

Just make it public and we will send you "donations". 

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Just make it public and we will send you "donations". 

Don't encourage devilry.

[Bobby_2021]

47 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Don't encourage devilry.

Ok. No donations for you. 

[lostingenosmaze]

On 3/21/2024 at 7:40 AM, Leo Gura said:

I can't buy a porno and start reselling it to you guys as part of Leo's Ultimate Porno Collection.

 

On 3/21/2024 at 10:33 AM, Leo Gura said:

If I could legally sell my porn collection I would just retire on a tropical island and never work again. It's that good.

Telling us/sharing sources is not the same as selling it, you know. Just say the names or leads and we'll help their businesses as much you did 🤌🤌

Edited March 26 by lostingenosmaze

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, lostingenosmaze said:

Just say the names or leads

That's not how it works.

[Felliks]

Leo is into some freaky shit