Am I an artist

[Ahbapx]

You don't sound like you have a desire for art.

Art is an abstraction, fiction, and fantasy, I think you want to deal with real-time/real-life problems.

 

[BojackHorseman]

11 hours ago, vibv said:

That's completely wrong. If fun is your priority while doing art that makes it a hobby (nothing wrong with having fun though, don't get me wrong).

Art goes way beyond that. Art means you have something in you that wants to be expressed. Art is a process of giving birth and that can be immensely painful.

It is painful but not always. Art can also be just pure fun. Also I'm sure lots of people are expressing something even through "hobby" art. Art is never empty, even if it's low stuff. Granted, some works of art are deserving or more praise than other for how much thought or originality or technicity the person put behind them.

But for me art is not an elitistic word than needs to reach great heights, It's simply about using, well, artistic tools.

To be fair this may be wrong by standard definitions. But me it's the best one.

[Leo Gura]

The pain of art mostly comes from the discipline and consistency required to produce something large and great. It can turn into a grind.

Edited March 14 by Leo Gura

[Reciprocality]

@Chadders List ten purposeful things that you consider purposeful in general or for most people.

Then list the ten last things you found pleasing aesthetically.

 

When you will do your arts, would it be a good idea to know the causes for why each of these twenty things were listed as opposed to other things?

Have you analysed these twenty things already in your past? If you did not then what occupied your mind instead of that analysis?

Edit: I will ask more questions 

Do you have a distinct idea of where you should put a plant in your house in relation to other inventory, do you have a feeling for how many colors becomes too many in a composition whether it is clothes, websites, apps, clocks, houses etc? Are you a perfectionist? Is the forest beautiful to you, if I ask you to imagine the interplay between light, textures and volumes (whatever your mind does when I ask you this) is this an enjoyable experience to you? Do you take others emotions in after having talked with them? Do you see tens of ineffable emotions in the faces of people when you walk past them in the street?

Edited March 15 by Reciprocality

[Reciprocality]

@Chadders I could try to do such an analysis so you get to know what I mean.

 

There is an armchair besides me, it looks like a half-circle from above and like a square from the front and rectangle from the sides, it is very different from most chairs because the back of the chair is barely taller than the stuff you lean your arms on, this makes the chair more compact and less distinctly an armchair.

This makes the chair go well with a varying type of environments or inventories as opposed to the more normally formed chairs, it is also grey which means that whatever colour lits it up will have a similar shade to the lightsource, that brings a second dimension to the chairs minimalism and makes it fit into an even more varied configuration of environments than if it were purple or blue etc.

I used to enjoy this chair before I noticed all these things, now I know why I did it to some extent, but there is one layer beneath all that which is far harder to articulate, which tries to explain why we would like minimalism, homgeneity, simplicity, geometric figures etc but that is for another time.

Edited March 15 by Reciprocality

[Danioover9000]

@Chadders

On 2024-03-13 at 10:47 PM, Chadders said:

I enjoyed watching the video Leo posted with this Japanese anime dude who’s highly creative (can’t remember his name) so I wondered am I an artist?

I’m definitely more on the creative side than a logical one. My power is in being creative and intuitive rather than logical, but I don’t believe I have a burning desire to create art in that way.

I do however have a burning desire to inspire and elevate people’s consciousness to improve collective society and ultimately we both have the same desire, albeit he does it through the medium of art, and I do it through social engagement and communication 

Interesting. Find a way to change the world for the better but through what medium is the question? Art, science, politics, business etc

the desire is the same in all of us at a conscious level but only the medium is different. Find your medium 

   Are you talking about this guy, also @Leo Gura?

 

 

   IMO if you have the desire to create, or draw, or sing, or in my case to draw/freestyle rap, then you're an artist. Don't believe Leo he and even I don't know enough about you to a judgement on your character or if you're an artist. If you have the mind and heart for art, you're an artist. Mastery is a long journey long enough to find who you are exactly in relation to other things around you and what you love doing. No rush!😊

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

Don't believe Leo

I was just going off his own words.

Edited March 15 by Leo Gura

[Danioover9000]

@Chadders  In fact the more I contemplate your question, and you post a question as a thread here, I find intuitively that you're an artist. As silly/negative this hypothetical is, it's like if I posted a thread with that question 'Am I a/an/like(   )?', and I write that question like that because blank is repetitive but even has meanings to it, I like (   ) instead because you can fill in the blanks with any ego social roles or nouns a self identifies as, but say I ask 'Am I a porn addict?' then go on to shortly describe my situation, some word values, it's likely I've answered my own question with the need to post and share it and seek an answer from other forum users to my porn addiction, like I want the extra affirmation and validation that I am an addict of porn or whatever, or even seek to fulfill a need of belonging like I'm not the only porn addict or addict of whatever in this forum right? Or a thread like 'I have a haunting paranormal problem, what do I do?' or 'I have a needy GF. Am I attracting these types?'

   Among many other developmental factors as well that forms your egoic self you'll live by.

[Danioover9000]

@Leo Gura

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I was just going off his own words.

   Okay then. I think you posted that Japanese guy in the blog, I remember it's him that has made that anime film about planes, I'll see if I can find it.

[ivankiss]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

The pain of art mostly comes from the discipline and consistency required to produce something large and great. It can turn into a grind.

Yes, also, but making art is not exactly like German auto engineering. It's not something you can calculate and brute force, and have amazing results. It requires unspeakable commitment and dedication. Patience. Sacrifice. Knowing when it's not time and when it is time to create. And so on.

That's where the real pain is, I'd say. Because it's not something you can achieve just by consistent hard work. This knowing is not easy to bear for the artist. Sure, the hard work aspect is still there... but true art... that requires far more than just hard work. Not just blood, sweat and tears... but also some magic.

I personally know quite a few artists, who are very consistently making art... that is bad.

Edited March 15 by ivankiss

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

Yes, also, but making art is not exactly like German auto engineering. It's not something you can calculate and brute force, and have amazing results. It requires unspeakable commitment and dedication. Patience. Sacrifice. Knowing when it's not time and when it is time to create. And so on.

That's where the real pain is, I'd say. Because it's not something you can achieve just by consistent hard work. This knowing is not easy to bear for the artist. Sure, the hard work aspect is still there... but true art... that requires far more than just hard work. Not just blood, sweat and tears... but also some magic.

If you put in the work I don't see why you wouldn't get the magic. The magic always comes.

[ivankiss]

8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The magic always comes.

It's just not something you can calculate or brute force. Usually, when you really want it to come, it does not.

[Archie]

On 3/13/2024 at 5:14 PM, Leo Gura said:

No, it's about the pursuit of aesthetic beauty.

Would you consider yourself an artist? One might argue that actualized.org is a form of art but I see it as more of an intellectual project. Do you have artistic hobbies? I know you have been really interested in graphic art. As someone who has both interest in art and more intellectual things it's difficult for me to decide what things I want to commit to and how to allocate my time.

[Leo Gura]

16 minutes ago, Archie said:

Would you consider yourself an artist?

Yes

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One might argue that actualized.org is a form of art but I see it as more of an intellectual project.

It is more intellectual than artistic. Which is why it doesn't fully satisfy me. The reason that is is because I have to stick to what's true, I can't freewheel and make shit up to suit myself. So it's not really about self-expression, it's about being faithful to the structure of reality. In this sense it's more science than art. I have to be careful not to make shit up, which is quite restrictive and uncreative.

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Do you have artistic hobbies?

Yes

Edited March 15 by Leo Gura

[Francis777]

2 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

It's just not something you can calculate or brute force. Usually, when you really want it to come, it does not.

I've often found that the method for getting the "magic", has always been through momentum, you surrender and go about your day until that first little bit of inspiration hits you and your mood lifts, then you just ride that kicker all the way up into fantastical states of creativity and flow. Like rolling a snowball on the ground.

The method in this case is just very unorthodox and unpredictable so it doesn't seem like a method at all. The way to replicate the magic is just being mindful of when it first hits you and then not squandering it. A bit like learning how to lucid dream!

Accept that its going to hit you when you least expect it and your not trying, then just practise making space for it to flourish when it does.

As for the hard work and grind, that is separate and comes after the inspiration, when your trying to materialise it.

[Yimpa]

Speaking of Miyazaki, here are his thoughts about AI from many years ago

 

[OBEler]

On 13.3.2024 at 11:47 PM, Chadders said:

I enjoyed watching the video Leo posted with this Japanese anime dude who’s highly creative (can’t remember his name) so I wondered am I an artist?

I’m definitely more on the creative side than a logical one. My power is in being creative and intuitive rather than logical, but I don’t believe I have a burning desire to create art in that way.

I do however have a burning desire to inspire and elevate people’s consciousness to improve collective society and ultimately we both have the same desire, albeit he does it through the medium of art, and I do it through social engagement and communication 

On 13.3.2024 at 11:47 PM, Chadders said:

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Just in comparison: I can call me an artist. Not only saw me everyone as an artist in school, It's imprinted in my genes. My family and ancestors were almost all artists. Me and my sisters were the best in scool for art. We had this skill independently developed and everyone in our family had his unique style for making art. So we did not copied each other.

I wanted to be a comic book creator in my early childhood, then a video game developer. In my free time I consumed art and created art just for fun. For example I created a full RPG with over 600 hours of development just to play it through myself when it was finished. So I did not created it for anyone or for any other reason than for just for the sake of it.

When I play video games I am often stunned how beautiful some areas are. I can spend hours just at looking at the beautiful world without making any progression in the game. For example in world of Warcraft I was often just aimlessly walking around, consuming the intelligent design of this artificial world. For 10 hours straight. 

I work now as a software developer, which can be pure art if you design new software from scratch (not only maintenance work).

 

 

Edited March 15 by OBEler

[vibv]

15 hours ago, ivankiss said:

Yes, also, but making art is not exactly like German auto engineering. It's not something you can calculate and brute force, and have amazing results. It requires unspeakable commitment and dedication. Patience. Sacrifice. Knowing when it's not time and when it is time to create. And so on.

That's where the real pain is, I'd say. Because it's not something you can achieve just by consistent hard work. This knowing is not easy to bear for the artist. Sure, the hard work aspect is still there... but true art... that requires far more than just hard work. Not just blood, sweat and tears... but also some magic.

I personally know quite a few artists, who are very consistently making art... that is bad.

What is bad art? Art and bad exclude one another.

Art is always an expression of the Divine. The artist becomes a funnel through which Creativity with a capital C is channelled. The job of the artist is to develop the needed technical skills to be able to produce what is given to them, and on the other hand deepen their connection to that creative Intelligence that goes way beyond the personal human level.

When you say bad you may mean that they're not good ad their craft. As I said, it's their job to develop that craftsmanship. I would go as far as to call it their duty!

What makes an artist an artist is having that connection I've talked about and then acting on it.

Edited March 15 by vibv

[ivankiss]

52 minutes ago, vibv said:

What is bad art?

Boring, uninspired, meaningless, lifeless, motionless, tells no interesting story, does not provoke any thoughts or feelings, does not stand out in any way kind of art.

I like what you said, but still, there is bad art. All around you. In fact, the majority of what we call 'art' is bad. Only a very few rare gems stand out.

As an artist, you need skill, yes, but you also need much more than just that. A true artist is awake as fuck. And that's not an accident.

 

[gettoefl]

art is any widget on which you scribble your signature

and for that and that reason only people want it

they don't want your goods

they want a piece of you

that's what art is

i am a part of you

because

i have a part of you