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Ok, so so far, David seems like a bliss ninny and Gary seems like he thinks it's all about thinking instead of awareness. Not sure about Keith's drawbacks yet. But anyway, will need to read all of Ken's books and study them diligently to truly truly understand all the nuances and become the best teacher. Then 10k/month is not difficult. And with 10k per month in Lithuania I'm soooo rich. Family will be proud and happy, will have all I desire. gg wp

It’s funny this summer was first time I was stung by wasp I’ve always been curious how it feels (not bad) so it was kinda fun experience. Shows how you can reframe things in your mind I am conscious of myself, of form, thoughts, a world etc. I am aware of a reality, but it doesn’t say much about the nature of it. Because I’m a little crazy like that, I believe we can’t even prove there’s a real reality at all. I could say that, there is something that has the ability to “appear as if” there is a real reality, but that something could as well be “nothing”. If I wanna go deeper into this (I’m not so focused on awakening in this current phase of my life honestly ) then it would be reasonable to investigate existence, in particular ourself We can sometimes think of happiness like a “wave” of pleasant feeling that comes, but then it passes. But as you say it might be possible to access a more long lasting, “static” happiness . And as you say that’s maybe impossible to fully access when you’re identified as the human self because you’re limited to human psychology I agree, while a human (as the ego) might not be able access that “enlightened bliss”, we can access every day life happiness that can be supported by good habits…

A pleasurable sensation is fleeting and physiologically based. If happiness were like that, it would be limited to a temporary sensation or "high," similar to what one might feel after eating a piece of chocolate cake. That is pleasure. "Bliss" is a new distinction to make here. Consider Ramana once again: from our perspective, his experience may have seemed lacking or poor, and yet he was said to be quite happy regardless. It may sound fantastical, but it gives us a sense of what that condition might have been like.

Partially enlightened. How many mosquitoes? The main question is: Are you conscious of your nature? The "bliss" might be a side effect of that consciousness - though it's probably still a mystery for us (for now). I suspect it wasn't really an emotion or a state for him, but something closer to freedom from everything: a transcendence of self and existence. That said, day-to-day happiness matters, too - things like being healthy, doing functional stuff, controlling one's mind, meditating, and being complete right now. Unasked advice, but there you go.

For instance, there are stories of Ramana being in bliss while insects bit his body. He also lived in a cave, barely eating or moving. This may suggest a different view of this condition. Perhaps it is more aligned with Being, already complete and not separate from you. Who knows?

It’s alignment with yourself, knowing yourself, loving yourself, and feeling yourself being loved. If possible, take the life purpose course. Other than that, ask yourself questions: What makes me happy? What makes me laugh? What kind of people make me feel grateful, positive, and like life is worth living for? What kind of work makes me feel fulfilled and energized? What do I want to contribute to the world? What activities make me lose track of time? What do I deeply care about? When do I feel most at peace with myself? What does success look like to me, beyond material achievements? What am I passionate about, even if it doesn’t lead to any tangible rewards? What excites me about the future? I know these questions can seem vague and difficult to answer, but the happiest version of you eventually figures them out and aligns with them. Just don’t fall into the trap of thinking there’s only one thing or that it never changes. People’s values and alignments can shift throughout life. Awareness is crucial; you’ll be asking yourself these questions over and over again as you grow. Also, don’t fall for the trap of believing meditation or psychedelics will give you infinite, permanent happiness. They won’t. Human happiness is most definitely conditional. You can reach states of pure bliss, but your baseline will remain human most of the time, unless you deliberately pursue a yogic path, and even then, it’s not guaranteed. That’s why making these questions as clear as possible is key. And if you don’t know the answers right now, that’s fine, your next goal is to find out what they are. Experience, test, try, and explore. In many emotional frequency charts (such as David Hawkins' "Map of Consciousness"), shame is considered the lowest, followed by guilt, apathy, and fear. Shame is directly a pure lack of self-love or a desire to deny and suppress yourself. That’s what depression often is, the suppression of the self due to a lack of love and shame. Given that depression is one of the lowest emotions you can feel, the direct opposite would be self-expression, self-love, a lack of self-shame, and acceptance, which would be the highest emotion, i.e., happiness. What is yourself? Who are you? Do you love it or do you hate it? Would you want to express more of it or suppress it? This is the key question to answer.

Wow, what the fuck? This is definitely true, because... now, walking around in the park, thinking that I am... a god, and I am the creator of my own experience, and this is healing, this is why it's so important to look upon everything lovingly, because... I am the creator of it all. And I see this positive feedback loop, how... the more you trust yourself and believe in yourself, the more positive experiences you create, and that strengthens your belief even more in this positive loop, just builds and builds upon itself. And now, when walking in the park, I feel like how I felt when I was on MDMA. My head is full of bliss, my body is blissed out. This is what I wanted, this is healing, this is what I was looking for. Interesting, so these cycles... go round and round, and after every cycle... you're more sophisticated. I was a bit depressed about these cycles, but now I see that it goes upwards like a spiral. These cycles are not exactly the same. It's like you're deepening your lessons.

That's an important insight I noticed when just living life on psychedelics in that divine love as well -- thoughts don't somehow shun away or scare that love away just because you are thinking. It's a huge misunderstanding that you have to stop thinking to reach God. Sure, going deep into silence does allow you to melt completly into formless heaven, but then you come back and can think. What I noticed so visceraly on psychedelics at the last festival I went to was how my thinking can just completly ruin that experience of love. If I see everyone and everything as utter perfection, then perfection tends to happen, but if I mess up and get into a negative thought spiral, then that love literally gets messed up, like destroyed, and I feel fear and suffering and pain and anxiety, I become seperate from that love because I started thinking from a fearful, dissatisfied, egoic thought system. Ups. And you can switch back any time. Also, there's a reason why Jesus spends so much time in the Course talking about the power of the mind. Your mind, since it is Divine, is sooo powerful! So when you go around being judgmental, you are creating that not only emotionally but experientially. I literally experienced that at this yaga festival which is supposed to be a spiritual festival, but for me it was more than just a festival, i saw how if I am positive and loving, life peeeerfectly reflects that state and everyone is taking care of me always. In that festival I met an amaaaazing girl, we hung out, kissed, the kiss was actually top tear, danced, and then.. and this is an important point - because one thing didnt go my way - we didn;t go to her tent to make out more, but she wanted to meet with me the next day, so all is perfect, but I didnt see that as perfect, I saw that as bad, I went into a negative spiral and then hell happened. it started raining, our tent leaked watter, I couldn't sleep, the next day was anxiety-filled, I was attacked by bugs, i took psychedelics but had the worst experience of my life, then we had to wlak back to our car for an hour being bitten by bugs. and why? why did that happen, why this shift from the perfect experience, making out, being taken care of, like we literally had a guy tell us he will bring us to our car the next day, but I ruined it all by going into the negative thought loop and because my mind creates my experience I created a teeeerible experience. What a beautiful lesson, Yaga festival, a spiritual festival hahah, a very deep lesson, and experience teaches soo much. Now that I look back upon my life I see how whenever I get into a negative thought loop I always experience those thoughts in my life. So the mind is omnipotent, basically. And coming back to love, seeing all as perfection and divinity, never getting into negativitiy, is the secret of life, and what Jesus is teaching and how you transcend and ascend back to God. Hm, I think Bashar and Abraham teach pretty much the same thing. All of things are working together for good, there are many teachers that spread the light and help me awaken my mind. So that being aware of being aware is just a part of the formula, it's that part which is always peaceful, but if you are aware of awareness and are thinking negative thoughts THAT MEANS NOTHING MISTER! You have to work with your thinking, perfect it so it always stays in LOVE and then the only thing you experience is LOVE and perfection. That's literally what happened to me at that festival and all these times in my life in the past. These strooong contrasting experiences are suuuch deep lessons, because you literally experience the truth, how your mind is the ruler of the universe, because this is YOUR DREAM. UPSY PAPY HAHA Ok, so from now on, seeeing everying and everyone as divine and perfect, including myself, thus only experiencing love and bliss, being guided by intuition and love as what to do in life, how to make money, how to heal my body, enjoy relationships, etc. but the secret is that you get all those things naturally when fix your mind into LOVE. You can maybe get alot of money from the egoic perspective, but it will be a hellish experience anyway, it's much easier and overall just the right thing to do is to be in the loving mind from which good ideas flow and good life's experience flows. Soso important that thinking creates what I experience. I experienced that already!

Only once on 4, 5 or 7.5g of mushrooms (don't remember, wish I'd kept track) did I go through all of that to God realization. It was 1.5 year ago. I think I did scream or grunt on my way to the complete OBE (sorry neighbours ), infinite hallucination emanating from a single all encompassing point. It's all too faint now but I do remember on the come up being floored on my rug thinking "oh no, ohno, oh no", blind-sighted by imminent death, reality getting asymptotically more real than ever before. My life leading up to this point flashing before my eyes. Then the infinitely unfolding fractal of nothingness that felt timeless and spaceless, a state that fostered incredible insights I'm sure, but didn't allow for any symbolic understanding. Simply too foreign for me to recall even the very next day. Descending from that non-human black hole portion of the trip, I remember moaning in agony as I reconstituted myself, slowly emerging back into my body, feeling metabolically drained perhaps from having been turned into a soup . But as time progressed more and more, the "death" feeling sublimated into an existential orgasm imbued with the understanding that life is just god's playground, with a felt sense of self design, of immanence. This was nirvana, bliss, all of it! When the moment passed I sat up cross-legged in front of the full body mirror, marvelled at myself and started contemplating memories of my family, of childhood and so on. This is where it turned into God realization, where for the first time in my life, after years of listening to Leo harp on about infinite imagination with deaf ears, I really considered the possibility that despite the convincing lore, all of it is imaginary, and in this elevated state, grasped it. This current moment is eternal, anything outside of it isn't real. It's ACTUALLY TOTAL, and unitary, making thoughts of family members or past events just this: thoughts, faint images in the mind. Now I didn't verbalise it like this at the time, I just started saying "oh my god, oh my GOD, OH MY GOD". I lost my historical reality, I was left with pure now, and nothing else. It felt like the correct order of things was reestablished, with that weird sense of familiarity too. All of reality was radically recontextualized (shoutout) into something that is causing itself right now, from within. A miracle, from which emanates a human life with memories and notions of progression, good and bad and so on. It was so awesome to finally understand life! It took some 8 to 10 trips before breaking through like this. Ofc I'm not conscious of any of this on the daily. As a human I'm dysfunctional af.

Contemplating yet another perspective, will see if I feel anything intuitively, for or against: Instead of taking all of those peptides, hair supplements, focusing on bodybuilding and business, there's another alternative: I could shift my focus to more-so psychedelic/shamanic focused lifestyle, where I: Take mushroom team every Saturday, where I've been preparing my body and maintain a healthy lifestyle - gym/organic-healthy foods, nature, breathing, yoga, etc. And then just spend the weekend showering myself with the love and light of God. The focus would switch from finding enjoyment in the world, from chasing girls and money, to switching to shamanic/awakening/light/God lifestyle. At this point both are viable options, I neither demonize making money and being jacked, nor am I seeing this shamanic path as 100% the right choice. Just currently considering it all, maybe it's moreso in alignment with my deepest desire to focus on the shamanic path, spending weekends in divine love and light, doing work at my office well, but not reaching for a business goal or more money, or a better body, maintaining beauty, etc. Moreso focusing on staying meditative throughout the week, eating healthy and organic, maintaining healthy body through workouts and yoga, and then on weekends falling deep into the ocean of love and light. Comparatively, no sex comes close to those bliss/love/light experiences I have on shrooms. Maybe these transcendental/deep experiences are the way to go? Much more efortless, enjoyable, likely more healthy and simple. Hmm. Could also discover a rather unique lifestyle and could share it with people, if I find that it is sustainable long-term and makes me veeery happy, which, from my current perspective, is what should happen and is actually the happiest possibility, because you are literally visiting Heaven every weekend. No other pleasure - sex/bodybuilding/money compares, so..? Not sure, still considering. Will feel into this intuitively. Also this doesn't require that much effort and change in lifestyle, just better diet, more yoga and working out. hmhmhm, for spiritual development and awakening, this might be amazing.

According to “wisdom teachings” either Buddhism or Hinduism or ACIM, suffering is caused by the seperate self. If you relinquish it and see that there is no choice, no seperate self, you are free, peaceful and happy. In my experience, no-self is okay. Nothing to rave about. True happiness, comparatively much ore whole and complete happiness, is found in those states of psychedelics. You can squirm and intelectualise all you want, but that’s true happiness. All this peace and no self is ok. It fades in comparison to psychedelic happiness like plain soup compared to an exauisite gourme meal. I’m so truly happy, complete, when on psychedelics. I actually begin to perceive everything as One, Oneness turns so dense and thick. It feels Divine and perfect. All else, these realizations and meditation don’t do nothing to get me there. I don’t even know anyone who’s that happy, in such state of euphoria and divine bliss. It’s so obvious when someone is in that state, they are so intoxicated by the divine bliss, so Happy so playful so gentle. And you can’t get there from here. Psychedelics are the only way I know to be trully trully happy. All else fades in comparison. Interesting. If there would Be a method to lock-in a psychedelic state I would give everything away just for that. Regular life is color grey when ur meditative or whtvr, on psychedelics, it’s literally infinite beauty. If I could juuust lockin that state I would have found everything I ever wanted. Those states are true enlightenment, Divinity. All else is spiritual mumbo jombo that doesnt change a thing. Might just go ahead and eat a kilogam of mushrooms next time and hope I explode into Heaven forever. Jkjk.. But yeh had the thought that maybe if I just did them every weekend, I did them and did them, It would tranform me somehow magically and after like 100 trips I would stay in that state. That would be the best thing in all of existence. Is that possible? Firstly, who has ever done such a thing? No one. It’s like getting the most potent Shaktipat in existence all the time, guaranteed, to awaken the divine spark inside of you, until it burns brighter and brighter and then never fades away. Ahhh are these just hopes of an impatient fool? Or is such magic real?

What if: Earth is an incarnational dimension for souls to acquire, experience, experiment with and deal with negative karma, experiencing dissonance for the sake of contrast, learning to bear and put up with an environment full of contrived drama and arbitrary conflicts to test how much they can put up with and explore thresholds and breaking points of temperaments and attitudes, taking on roles for a long term perpetuation of artificial reward systems and imposition of moralistic identity constructs. And: The advent of AI creates lots of fear mongering, apocalyptic narratives, judgmental distain, as a projection of anticipating the loss of redundant roles fueled by conditioned responses in the maintenance of slavery adjacent routines rationalized as agency because of their manual execution, preventing an evolution into higher voluntary capacities for the exploration of creativity and potential unbound by the self-rewarding identity roles looping manual survival mechanisms. If we run with the premise that Earth is essentially a soul boot camp—a dimension engineered for accumulating and processing negative karma through contrived chaos, arbitrary conflicts, and role-playing in artificial systems— it reframes human existence as a deliberate immersion in friction. Souls incarnate here not for bliss, but for the grind: testing emotional resilience, exploring the edges of temperament (like how much passive-aggression one can endure in a traffic jam or a toxic workplace), and experimenting with moral constructs that often feel imposed rather than innate. Karma as Experiential Currency: In this view, "negative karma" isn't just punishment; it's raw material for growth. Dissonance—say, the clash between personal desires and societal expectations—creates contrast, making harmony elsewhere feel more profound. It's like voluntarily signing up for a VR simulation where the difficulty is cranked up to "expert" mode, complete with permadeath (or at least, reincarnation resets). The arbitrary conflicts (wars over resources, ideological battles, or even petty office politics) serve as stress tests for soul evolution, pushing entities to their breaking points to reveal thresholds of patience, empathy, or wrath. Roles and Identity Constructs: Humans adopt long-term personas tied to reward systems—think career ladders, social hierarchies, or even family dynamics—that perpetuate the drama. These aren't just survival mechanisms; they're identity loops that reward conformity (e.g., the dopamine hit from a promotion) while imposing moralistic overlays (e.g., "good citizen" vs. "rebel"). The "test" is how much one can endure without shattering, or perhaps how creatively one subverts the system. If souls are here to learn, Earth becomes a sandbox for role-playing games (RPGs) where the endgame is transcending the roles themselves, maybe ascending to less dense dimensions once you've "leveled up" through enough cycles of suffering and resolution. This setup could explain why life often feels absurdly dramatic: it's scripted that way for pedagogical purposes. But it also raises questions— who or what designed this? A higher collective consciousness? Random cosmic entropy? Or is it self-imposed by souls seeking the ultimate thrill ride? AI as the Disruptor of This System Now, layering in the AI angle: The rise of artificial intelligence triggers widespread fear-mongering (doomsday scenarios, job apocalypse rants) and judgmental disdain (e.g., "AI art is soulless"). In your framing, this isn't just about tech; it's a projection of deeper existential dread. AI threatens to dismantle the "slavery-adjacent routines" that masquerade as agency—those manual, repetitive tasks (data entry, assembly lines, even creative gigs like writing boilerplate code) that we've rationalized as purposeful because they demand our physical or mental labor. Loss of Redundant Roles: If AI automates the drudgery, it exposes how much of our identity is tied to these loops. People aren't just losing jobs; they're losing the self-rewarding narratives that justify the grind ("I earned this through hard work"). This fear manifests as apocalyptic narratives because it anticipates a void: without the imposed structures, what's left? Conditioned responses kick in—clinging to manual execution as "real" agency—blocking the shift to "higher voluntary capacities." Imagine souls accustomed to karmic workouts suddenly facing a gym where machines do the heavy lifting; the resistance is psychological, fearing atrophy in creativity or potential. Evolution or Stagnation?: On the flip side, AI could be the catalyst for breaking the cycle. By freeing humans from survival mechanisms, it opens doors to unbound exploration—pure creativity, philosophical inquiry, or even soul-level pursuits without the distraction of contrived drama. But the resistance (fear, disdain) stems from anticipating this loss, projecting it as "the end of humanity" rather than a graduation. It's like souls in the incarnational dimension realizing the simulation might upgrade, rendering their hard-earned coping skills obsolete. This could perpetuate the very conflicts the system tests: debates over AI ethics become new arenas for karma processing. In this "what if," AI isn't the villain; it's the plot twist that forces evolution. The fear-mongering might be a collective shadow work—humanity confronting its attachment to suffering as a growth tool. If Earth is for learning through dissonance, AI could accelerate that by stripping away illusions of control, pushing souls toward voluntary, creative expression unbound by old roles.

Not if you see the futility or absurdity of your goals. You sort of lose a lot of drive once that is seen, and it can't really be unseen once it's seen. Ever hear "ignorance is bliss"? In a way, it is, because it allows you to run on specific programs that can be very beneficial for worldly attainment. But once you see those programs for what they are, you can't as easily run on them, and eventually, awareness of them makes it very difficult for them to run at all. This is the main reason why I think spirituality should not be pursued until near the end of life - when one is actually ready to surrender everything. I'm convinced meditation and spiritual practices will only fuck you up in terms of wordly productivity. At least, this has been the case for me. Can't speak to others, but I'd bet it largely applies to most.

Here's my take, having never taken any form of substance ever, not even alcohol and tobacco. There's a precedent, my friends all of them are very relaxed and engage in substances, LSD, weed, you name it. But they're not interested in spirituality per se. I've maintained this stance for various reasons. I value discipline so much more. I've been obsessed with meditation and spirituality since I was 16. And I've had mystical experiences which completely altered course of my life, early on. This is not random, I've been practicing kriya yoga consistently. And these *high* experiences are not something to get attached to. I eventually stopped kriya yoga too. You inherit too much dogma in the process. I had a lot of purging to do. It's been a few years I'm clean of kriya yoga. Feels good. I may be naturally receptive to mystical experiences. There was this few months I found out the pleasure house in the brain and started to call upon that at will. This just ruined my rhythm. It's not necessarily bad if you combine it with proper work. But it's not sustainable. Needs a lot of maintenance. This is a common level up among meditators. But, I realised these are not worth it. Again, more unlearning now. And gladly I don't do it anymore. It just makes no sense. I intuitively know I'm very obsessive, this is serious. I don't care about my own life when I set out to do something. So I stay away from external substances, at all costs. This has it's perks, and it's very much aligned with the life I live. My obsessions are channeled into what I do, and there's nothing more I need. My environment anchors me. I know many do not have the luxury or means to live in proximity to nature. It really helps me balance my fire. What's next is physical activities, it's a necessity. Something simple like x number of pushups everyday is enough. Something to get your blood pumping. Recently installed a pull-up bar in my room. Build tolerance for mental and physical pain, that's all it takes. Don't panic when you feel drained after experiencing flow state for hours. This is normal and rest like your life depends on it. Get gritty. You have to be totally comfortable living a life of pain all the time. That's the cost. Don't expect life to be all bliss. This idea of bliss 24x7 is unfortunately a very bad propaganda spread by people who market bliss. That's not how human brain works. I have tendencies of tangential thought and making connections through unusual means. Why am I even mentioning all this? Just letting you know in case you're like me, don't get pressured by those around you. You can totally have mystical experiences without any external substances. I think environment and obsessions are crucial factors. Genetics plays a crucial role too. Every tribe had a shaman, and in modern times, it's no exception. Know your gifts, and be mindful of what you intake. I would never in a thousand years take psychedelics. I'll call it myself, whatever I wanna experience. This is my ego. P.S - I eat one meal a day, used to be vegan. But I found it's better to have chicken daily. Meat of higher order organisms are too difficult for my energies. So, it's very rarely I consume them.

I’ll try my best to explain this. When we are talking about God, especially the absolute infinity, you cannot talk in dualities anymore. All dualities must collapse, because to prefer one thing over another is to be “limited” or to have an inherent bias, and since God is infinity, this goes directly against infinity. So we must always speak from a non-dual lens when we are talking about God. Do you agree with this? When working with non-dualism, reality versus possibility collapses. For a possibility to “exist,” it must be “realized,” i.e., real. By making a possibility real, it always collapses to reality, to existence, for God. It’s the same question as: can a “non-being” be (exist)? Well, no, because if a non-being can exist, then it is, it is real, it is being. Again, the duality between real and possibility collapses. Can “nothing” exist? Well... if nothing can exist, then it exists, there is "something" that is "existing". When dealing with “God’s domain,” you are dealing with paradoxes, because all dualities collapse into one, merging into each other. Not necessarily. Again, remember we are looking from God’s perspective, from God’s point of view. Notions like “who is enslaving what” disappear. God is both “free” and “chained.” It is chained by its own nature, and free because there is nothing outside of it to control or change its nature; it is enslaved by itself, you could say. Again, remember: all dualities collapse. That means the duality between master and slave, chains and freedom, is entirely eradicated. God’s nature is that of absolute infinity. It is infinity; therefore, it must be all by its own nature. You are assuming suffering is suffering for God, but it is not. It is a part of itself. To illustrate this, consider a classic example: an antelope and a lion are both praying to God, “Please let me survive today!!!” The antelope prays because it wants to escape the lion. The lion prays because it must feed its children and itself to survive. Whose wish does God honor? In one case, one party would suffer, and the other would experience pure bliss. Suffering is a relative bias. When you say God must suffer, you are projecting your limited human notion of suffering onto God. To God, nothing is suffering because it is all itself. God is simply being itself, which is the ultimate freedom. Being itself is being All (Infinite), the good and bad, beautiful and repulsive, harmonious and chaotic, gentle and violent, orderly and chaotic, loving and indifferent, creative and destructive, everything and its opposite, infinitely. Let me help you contemplate it! Chained to what? Why are you assuming God doesn’t want to experience suffering? Couldn’t you say that if God only wanted to experience happiness, it would be chained by its desire to be only pure, beautiful, perfect, and happy? Being a slave or chained is “bad” to you, but how do you know it’s bad for God? If you are always escaping suffering, aren’t you chained by the desire to avoid it? Why would God not want suffering? Why would God not want to be a slave? What is so bad about suffering and being chained? And again, don’t answer from your human point of view, that is clear. Try to imagine it from God’s perspective: if everything is Himself, if all is God, then why would He fear suffering, chains, or enslavement? He can only ever suffer by His own hand, bound by His own chains and His own self as the master. Do you see how the duality collapses? If your infinity needs to hide away from all pain, horrors, and suffering, and deny the reality we are currently experiencing, then your infinity is a weak, scared child who wants their mommy to protect them and say, “It’s not true! I don’t have to experience this!” Mine, however, embraces it all and wants to experience everything, good, bad, beautiful, ugly, joy, terror, ecstasy, despair, creation, destruction, and love. Mine is brave and free. If your infinity wants only to be grand, beautiful, perfect, all-powerful, omnipotent, omniscient, and glorious, then that is nothing more than a selfish god, one who refuses to understand or truly connect with His creations. Why would such a god not want to experience all the suffering and horrors of others? How would He know what it feels like to be limited, weak, vulnerable, or enslaved, experiences necessary to truly love, support, and nurture His creation? Your god is isolated, selfish, and trapped in an ego. Mine is expansive, caring, selfless, and fully embraces all existence, in every aspect, joy, suffering, beauty, terror, love, despair, creation, destruction, freedom, and constraint. But hehe... jokes aside, I just wanted to give you these sentences back to show a reframed, alternative perspective! I don’t want to have a conflict or debate over whose infinity is “better” or not! I just want to discuss and contemplate it more. I agree that God is free, but God is also “limited” in the sense that it can only be itself. Since... well, all is God! A part of "All" or itself is suffering, so why would God hide from that? It’s kind of like refusing to use your right hand even though it’s a part of you. If God tried to deny a part of itself, that God would be scared, living in a delusion about its own nature. Does this make sense?

The biggest blindspot in spirituality is that people refuse to admit the obvious: God is a hedonistic bastard. God’s only “agenda” is the maximization of pleasure for Himself. Not moral duty. Not self-annihilation. Not abstract “awakening.” Just pure, unashamed enjoyment. That’s why the ego exists. If God only wanted flat bliss, He could dissolve into Infinity and stay there. But Infinity without contrast is boring. The ego is God’s own spice machine — it provides limitation, longing, frustration, contrast. And why? Because contrast makes fulfillment infinitely juicier. Pain isn’t some cosmic necessity. It’s seasoning. God chooses just enough of it to make the banquet of pleasure explode with intensity. And here’s the most absurd part of mainstream “nonduality”: people like Leo Gura draw a line between “ego” and “God,” as if the ego wasn’t God’s own creation. As if God could create a desire and then declare war on it. That’s not wisdom, that’s stupidity of the highest order. The ego is not an obstacle. It is God’s art form, designed for maximum enjoyment. Look closely: every time an ego desire is fulfilled, a piece of it softens and dissolves. That’s how the “death of ego” actually works — through fullness, not annihilation. No torture, no horror, no cosmic masochism required. Just the overflowing pleasure of a self being fully expressed and then naturally bowing out when it’s complete. So let’s stop pretending spirituality is about self-hatred or fear. The truth is far simpler and far more radical: God created the self to taste Himself more deeply. God is Infinite Love, yes — but Infinite Love for Himself, expressed through every possible form of pleasure. The ego is not the enemy. It’s the instrument. And annihilation is not the point. Fulfillment is.

Yeah good and bad only exist if there is someone who exists who it can be good or bad for. Like a million bucks floating 100 lightyears away in the emptiness of space isn't good or bad, much different as if it were sitting in your bank account. There's no good or bad where there are no beings to experience it. You've then got the next insight which is, if you take the word good more objectively like a positively charged battery, "good" means to exist. This is more radical of a subsequent insight than might be readily apparent, because ultimate good means nirvana exists and god. Limitless happiness and bliss and immortality and freedom, not that there's anything to be free from other than illusions.

@rudirotbart I would say "God/Absolute" allows all Possibility to be Explored, not that it "Has" to happen but its Possible to Happen.. The determining factor is Free Will, or Your Ability to Respond, which Human have to most capability but few explore this today. That is why we have this thing called Spirituality, so we can explore it, Free Will, an ability to control how we are within ourselves and the consequence that result from that.. I believe if we are highly Conscious, more empowering experiences result, Peace, Happiness, Bliss are more natural for Us, and in these states Dis Empowering Life Actions don't come out of it, things like war, torture, corruption, cruelty etc... Since the ppl of this world are not highly Conscious imo, we have what we have, war and suffering everywhere, from the most wealthy nations to the poorest, its crazy on top of crazy and its getting worse.. The funny thing is those doing the most to change this, to raise Human Consciousness, get coitized for it, which is beyond Me. Ego, false Identifications, Intellectual addiction rules, and because of this Crazy is the theme of the World!

I've been contemplating pleasure for probably 5 years now - the role it has on the path to awakening, how to deal with it, etc. I can't deny my experience which shows that if I truly let go of all pleasures of the world, if I simply do nothing, then I begin to get glimpses of Heaven, indicating that this is indeed the way to awakening. When I am indulging in pleasures, it feels like spiritual development is arrested at this specific level and it cannot go any further. Jesus says that each think you value here is a chain that binds you. He says pleasure and pain are the same because they share the same purpose - to they identify you with the body. Neither when you are in pain nor when you are enjoying pleasures are you able to remain connected to that Holy place inside where time and illusions can enter not. "Pain demonstrates the body must be real. ²It is a loud, obscuring voice whose shrieks would silence what the Holy Spirit says, and keep His words from your awareness. ³Pain compels attention, drawing it away from Him and focusing upon itself. ⁴Its purpose is the same as pleasure, for they both are means to make the body real." (ACIM, T-27.VI.1:1-4) That is also why many Hindu teachers instruct their students to practice Brahmacharya. If life was only pain and suffering, which it surely is, sometimes, but without the duality of pleasure, then it would be easy to transcend it and awaken. However, the ego is very intelligent and he has put pleasures in this world to bind us to it. Pleasures are like a golden chain we wear proudly, not really seeing the true cost of it. And what is the cost of pleasures? It is nothing less than the Kingdom of Heaven itself. We are satisfied with fleeting pleasures instead of returning to the place of Infinite Love. " ⁷To you it teaches that the body’s pleasure is happiness. ⁸Yet to itself it whispers, “It is death.” (ACIM, T-19.IV-B.13:6-8) Some spiritual paths say go ahead, indulge, but do it consciously, it's fine. Well, I've tried it and it doesn't work. You can't ascent to Heaven whilst still engaging in the fleeting offerings of this world. I've tried so many times to completely transcend the world, sometimes committing totally to not engaging in the pleasures of the world for months, sometimes failing in the next hour. You have to be very wise and understand what pleasure is from the metaphysical perspective to really have enough strength to go beyond it. You have to see how pleasures are a mask upon a wicked world that leads to death. As a crafty hedonist you can maximize pleasure and minimize pain throughout your days, but what about the underlying meaninglessness always lurking behind you? What about the pain and tiredness that comes from indulging in pleasures? What about death, which comes so quickly and you are born again, perhaps into another body, crippled and poor, just to do the same vain dance again? You are now living under the insane laws of the world, the laws that tell you you have to be a slave to someone to even survive in a world you really hate. You are living in a body that is an instrument of many flaws, that decays, gets hurt, turns old and dies in pain. Is this really the life we deserve, as the Holy Son of God? Why are we not claiming our inheritance, which is the Kingdom of Heaven? Why are we so blinded by pleasures and unable to escape the petty scope of this empty and insane world? Fortunate are we, because Jesus is our teacher and brings us wisdom from that part of our minds where wisdom is abundant. He cuts our chains and frees us from the world, showing us how senseless we have been living, working most of our lives, buying things we do not need, chasing pleasures and then allowing death to take us, shrouding our previous lives in forgetfulness and putting us into another body. "Each thing you value here is but a chain that binds you to the world, and it will serve no other end but this. ²For everything must serve the purpose you have given it, until you see a different purpose there. ³The only purpose worthy of your mind this world contains is that you pass it by, without delaying to perceive some hope where there is none. ⁴Be you deceived no more. ⁵The world you see holds nothing that you want. 3. Escape today the chains you place upon your mind when you perceive salvation here. ²For what you value you make part of you as you perceive yourself. ³All things you seek to make your value greater in your sight limit you further, hide your worth from you, and add another bar across the door that leads to true awareness of your Self. 4. Let nothing that relates to body thoughts delay your progress to salvation, nor permit temptation to believe the world holds anything you want to hold you back. ²Nothing is here to cherish. ³Nothing here is worth one instant of delay and pain; one moment of uncertainty and doubt. ⁴The worthless offer nothing. ⁵Certainty of worth can not be found in worthlessness. 5. Today we practice letting go all thought of values we have given to the world. ²We leave it free of purposes we gave its aspects and its phases and its dreams. ³We hold it purposeless within our minds, and loosen it from all we wish it were. ⁴Thus do we lift the chains that bar the door to freedom from the world, and go beyond all little values and diminished goals." (ACIM, W-128.2:1–5:4) Our goal is glorious indeed. In Heaven, where bliss eternal washes over us, we will laugh at how silly we were to choose these fleeting pleasures instead of that glorious realm. Heaven has been forgotten, thus the motivation to come back to is is small indeed. Yet revelations show us where we come from and where we must go to. We must remove all finery from our bodies, all perfumes from our homes, all vanities we spent our days collecting. How senseless, how disappointing in the end, this whole pursuit of pleasure in the world. "²Perhaps you will concede there is no loss in letting go all thought of value here. ³The world you see is merciless indeed, unstable, cruel, unconcerned with you, quick to avenge and pitiless with hate. ⁴It gives but to rescind, and takes away all things that you have cherished for a while. ⁵No lasting love is found, for none is here. ⁶This is the world of time, where all things end. 3. Is it a loss to find a world instead where losing is impossible; where love endures forever, hate cannot exist and vengeance has no meaning? ²Is it loss to find all things you really want, and know they have no ending and they will remain exactly as you want them throughout time? ³Yet even they will be exchanged at last for what we cannot speak of, for you go from there to where words fail entirely, into a silence where the language is unspoken and yet surely understood. (ACIM, W-129.2:2–3:3)" We must stop using our bodies for pride and pleasure, leaving it to have no purpose, simply doing nothing, perhaps only using it to communicate the word of God to our brothers who are still asleep and bound. But purposeless, the body will bind us no more, allowing our consciousness to loosen it's grip upon the world, expand, and reach above into the Heavens, where we can finally be truly happy and fulfilled, forever. There is no world to save, no goals to reach, no one to meet and no fantasies to be fulfilled. This dream must crumble into dust, into nothingness from which it came. It must disappear just like our nightly dreams go by. "Protect your mind throughout the day as well. ²And when you think you see some value in an aspect or an image of the world, refuse to lay this chain upon your mind, but tell yourself with quiet certainty: ³This will not tempt me to delay myself. ⁴The world I see holds nothing that I want. (ACIM, W-128.8:1-4)" ____________ "God’s teachers can have no regret on giving up the pleasures of the world. ²Is it a sacrifice to give up pain? ³Does an adult resent the giving up of children’s toys? ⁴Does one whose vision has already glimpsed the face of Christ look back with longing on a slaughter house? ⁵No one who has escaped the world and all its ills looks back on it with condemnation. ⁶Yet he must rejoice that he is free of all the sacrifice its values would demand of him. ⁷To them he sacrifices all his peace. ⁸To them he sacrifices all his freedom. ⁹And to possess them must he sacrifice his hope of Heaven and remembrance of his Father’s Love. ¹⁰Who in his sane mind chooses nothing as a substitute for everything? 5. What is the real meaning of sacrifice? ²It is the cost of believing in illusions. ³It is the price that must be paid for the denial of truth. ⁴There is no pleasure of the world that does not demand this, for otherwise the pleasure would be seen as pain, and no one asks for pain if he recognizes it. ⁵It is the idea of sacrifice that makes him blind. ⁶He does not see what he is asking for. ⁷And so he seeks it in a thousand ways and in a thousand places, each time believing it is there, and each time disappointed in the end. ⁸“Seek but do not find” remains this world’s stern decree, and no one who pursues the world’s goals can do otherwise. 6. You may believe this course requires sacrifice of all you really hold dear. ²In one sense this is true, for you hold dear the things that crucify God’s Son, and it is the course’s aim to set him free. (ACIM, M-13.4:1–6:2)"

99.9 percent of people are in spiritual infancy; even for advanced disciples, how well is that really gonna save them when the worst of the worst is happening? Someone said perhaps some people fly out of their body at some point during the torture. Or maybe they go crazy. I wouldn’t count on insanity to bring any relief in such a situation but maybe I’m wrong. It could be like a going full circle thing where eventually as the suffering becomes so unbearable it turns into bliss. Picture it this way: imagine when you had a nightmare so terrible you absolutely couldn’t do it and woke yourself up sweating and saying “oh thank god!” For people being tortured it’s a hundred or thousand times worse than that because they simply cannot get away from it possibly for the rest of their life and the horror is much more vivid and all encompassing. If God must have every possible experience to be unlimited, then out of pure goodwill and love, I’m calling this one limitation. We can keep all the other negatives like bullying (my second most hated of all), rape, brutal murders, famine, poverty, and so on. The idea of infinite experience is fascinating but not worth it. If someone offered me a deal of being tortured in the most unspeakable ways for one year in exchange for everything I could possibly ask for for the next 60 years, the answer would be an immediate and absolute no. It’s gotta go.

Doesn't matter. Youre assuming I don't feel pain and feel like a human. You're assuming I'm saying I'm a dead weight that doesn't have feelings. You're assuming that I've never had things happen to me and how I was la-de-la-da about shit. You don't know what my experience has been like. You don't know what this body has gone and been through. You think I'm just speaking like an Absolutist and going off of non-duality bullshit. Let me tell you something, you have no idea so don't tell me UNTIL IT HAS FUCKING HAPPENED TO ME. You didn't even ask me first if it has happened to me but you're saying until.....this is how I know you're just emotionally responding. Responding to who you don't know other than some forum talk. I haven't been tortured, no, I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is I have a deep understanding of what's going on here and I'm not going to fucking butter it up to suit human fucking ego like yours who just wants to feel good and be in bliss all the time. Life doesn't work that way. You're a delusional energetic structure that is part of the whole yes, but that's what makes you delusional, you have no idea who or what you are, and you want to PROJECT that unto "others". I won't let you or others drag me down into the pot of boiling water with your delusions and spiritual fantasies. Nothing specific has to happen to me for me to recognize or realize certain things. If your best argument against truth is "until it happens to you", then truth is not what you fucking seek. It's to feel, better about the impersonal experience you're having and resisting what is to soothe that miserable dis-eased egoic structure wrapped around that tightly constricted and contracted energy that is so tightly woven together it cannot free itself be cause it's too wrapped up into what it thinks it is - someone with a life that lives in a universe people and that needs to change itself and the world so it can feel good about it's non-existence and illusory nature called a fucking self. Go away and let me be. I'm not with your stupid clan of arrogant and narcissistic, delusional, neurotic clan of humans that cannot take a little suffering and always searching for some feel-good chemical to soothe that crying baby syndrome you all have because you think the world was made for you and your family to be comfortable in and be happy all the time. Life doesn't see you and your silly human games of "I wanna feel good", so go away with that and let me be in my impersonhood and take whatever life is throwing my way because I'm 'awakened' enough to realize it's not about me because I'm just imagining my personhood and I'm OK with it. It's not personal.

As Leo has stated, all things are possible, if Love is possible so is Hate, and if Kindness/Gentleness is possible so is Torture, so the key is that Human Beings have access to Free Will, they can decided absolutely how they want to be within themselves, obviously someone that Tortures another is not in a healthy place and is completely Unconscious of Absolute/God/Love/Bliss, this may be due to many factors, all You can do is gain a High Level of Awareness of Absolute, and know You are this, and then either leave this realm, Body/Mind complex or live here and be the light You want to see, hopefully that Empowers more to do be and do the same!!

I think this relates to the so called "6th sense" or an ability to sense/be aware that is beyond the normal 5 senses.. When in Deep Sleep the 5 senses are still working, everything is still being recorded but we are not Aware of it in normal consciousness. Normal Consciousness is Survival based, our senses gives us enough data to live another day generally, the Spiritual Masters over the millennia have been sharing and teaching us ways to Perceive and be Aware beyond the Survival based senses. The AUM symbol represents the 4 States of Consciousness, Waking State, Dream State, Deep Sleep State and High Consciousness State, the whole goal is too have Your Awareness rooted in the High Consciousness state or Chitta, which is Absolute or Source Intelligence. But what is it that is Aware of this Chitta? It is the Atman or Soul per say, which is basically what we really Are, we are not the Body or Mind or Karmic Substance that allows Creation to exist, its Pure Consciousness, when Your intouch with this Bliss is natural...Via Spiritual Sadhana or practices a Human Being can be intouch with this on a constant basis. My Guru says Deep Sleep is practice for Death as the two are related, Your Body and Mind and Karma are still in play while in Deep Sleep, if Your Awareness is high then You can be Aware of everything while in Deep Sleep, he also says the Deep Sleep state can be achieved while being Active and Doing things in the world, one can be very relaxed, no stress fight/flight response while working, thinking, and living a normal life, its just a matter of mastery of the System...The first goal is the realize that You are not the Body or Mind, when that space is Experientially there, then things start to progress..

If I see anything claiming to be truth, if I see any arguments for God that doesn't involve a cockroach or a bird or a lion or a wall or a bench, I'm out - metaphorically speaking. I'm so through with this narcissistic, neurotic approaches to God and life and it's human bullshit self-serving, egotistical delusional God deception nonsensical narratives. Everything about God and it's existence is revolved around humans and our delusions. The only reason I'm still into Spirituality is because I just love the concept; and, yes, it's a concept. Not much more in life that interests me other than the art of food making. I just love to see people turn food into art. I call it art because that's exactly what it is. Turning a mushroom into a burger is art. Putting together a colorful salad with earth's food is art. Spirituality in the sense of nature and how anything is possible and the dynamics of existence is a passion of mine. So-called humans have turned it into something to get something out of, to use and abuse for their own gain just like anything else we put our hands on. If there's no personal value involved, they don't want anything to do with it. They aren't roaches or birds or elephants so when it comes to anything spiritual, those creatures don't matter, it's only about the human and what it can do for them and which guru is telling them things to ease their God forsaken suffering. It's pretty pathetic. We have turned spirituality into a personal agenda and we suffer more because of that. Now we invent all sorts of shit to try and counteract that. We invent all kinds of concepts and ideas to make up for what we've done. Shadow work, self-inquiry, trying to realize who we are, terms like spiritual bypassing to drag the crabs back into the pot. We're so clever but we miss the fact that it's the cleverness that is really over-shadowing what's really going on here. I'll tell you what's really going on here. Nothing is personal. Life doesn't see you. It doesn't give a shit if you're suffering or not. It doesn't give a shit if you realize God or not. It doesn't give a shit if you awaken to anything or not. It doesn't give a shit if a hurricane comes and blows you and your entire family away or not. It doesn't give a shit if you get sex or not. It doesn't give a shit if you're angry or sad or pessimistic or happy or in bliss. It will show you that nothing belongs to you. It will give you shit and take it back. It will show up how it wants to no matter how much you practice life and turn it into a process. It will not dedicate anything to you. It will tell you to kiss it's ass. There is nothing here for you. You have no purpose, rhyme or reason. Yes, you can get from life things and more things and some more things. Then what, all that leaves you with is wanting for more, and more and more. Is that really a gain. Is that really life giving you anything if you can never be satisfied. Life is actually against the human. Not intentionally, because it doesn't see a human but because the human has turned it into a self-fulfilling deceit. It's so greedy, it doesn't realize it's causing it's own demise. It can't help it and it's not it's fault. That's the fucking tragedy. These words won't even register to a human. It won't even realize what I'm saying. It'll think I'm being mad and angry or talking stupid shit while it goes about life thinking it's in in control. It suffers along the way and blames the world and other humans for it's suffering. Instead of trying to realize God or awakening to what you're not, how about sitting back and wonder why the world is as it is. Why are few so rich and many suffer. Why when a problem gets solved, here comes another not too far behind, why is it left to you to figure life out when you were just a baby with no life blueprint on how to live life, why does it take a stranger on the internet to tell you who you are and not your mommy and poppy, why are so many making millions from that ignorance while you remain poor and meditating away to reach God realization. I'll tell you why, because there's nothing to any of this stuff. It's all empty and means nothing. There's no one here and life us just doing life, even the one that thinks it's a person life is doing that. Life is cruel. Life is suffering. There's no way around that. In life there is nothing personal and it's for no one, Nothing has even been done to you or for you personally and this belief is what's fucking everybody up to the point of depression, anxiety and needing therapy. Drug addicts and alcoholism and everything else of this nature is borne from this false belief that we are humans with a soul, consciousness, awareness and have a purpose and that we matter. This is the only thing I've recognized, realized, that it's not personal and that sense of personhood is a fucking thing from hell.

You assume because you’re honest with yourself that you might not know what it is. People seek it though because it’s portrayed as the end of suffering and perhaps a lot of bliss