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Thank you, this was really interesting to watch, he is a fitness funny YouTuber that awakened, not your everyday stage green frail hippie spiritual seeker. He also claims that his GF is self-realized since she can remember, here is a text in his Instagram: "Q: DO YOU HAVE A GF NOW? A: Yap. She's also the only teacher I've ever had. Her mind is one of the fascinating universes I've ever came across. Not only on the intellectual and creative level of the brain, she's transcended her mind, meaning she's Awakened to her True Nature since she was 3. If there are musical geniuses like Mozart, it only makes sense to have spiritual geniuses like this one here. You just gotta find them through the IG DM. ~ She told me the 360 degrees Infinite Awareness/Buddha Mind/Christ Consciousness/Natty State has been her default mode for as long as she can remember, and doesn't understand how you can go into a meditation session without instantly blowing up so your sense of "noself" fills up the the Infinite Space. She puts me to shame. She frightens me. She's had all the insights and meditation experiences, Nirvanas, Satoris, Jhanas, gained from all my meditation without much practice. ~ She made me realized a lot of this work is "genetics" and some would say she did the work "previous life". ~ If I can put a finger on it during the instant Samadhi accessed instantly when I'm around her...I think her level of Realization and meditation prowess is up there with Elkhart Tolle and Osho anc Jed McKenna or krishnamurti. and the only difference is this 21 year old computer science major hates talking about "Spirituality"...that which cannot be simpler. Lol. Check out the music I made with her when we first met link in bio. Also working on another video of her 1 month gains at the gym using non-dual awareness."

In hindu mythology it is said that a soul will keep taking incarnation over and over again on this world until it realise itself as the GOD and then only it will become/integrate into pure infinite love, @Leo Gura how this resonates with you based on your experience, will every human being on this planet get merge into pure infinite love irrespective of how much they have awakened while living on this planet ?

@Enlightenment I would say modafanil is less jittery than caffeine. You feel awake (not awakened lol). more effective with less of those unwanted side effects of jittery anxiety ime

I apologize if I have misinterpreted what you said. What I mean is that while you are right saying people that are preaching are not living to their full potential (and thus not very woke), you are only noticing the people that are preaching because the others are... living life to their full potential (and thus probably doing more meaningful things). Mostly, statistically. There are some very awakened people on the forum too, yet they are more focused about helping than talking about themselves IME. That's not me btw, I'm just trying to be right again right now lol

I'm not on the "Love-bus" either. I understand what Leo and others try to explain logically, but I haven't awakened to it. That doesn't mean I don't keep an open mind and I won't accept it if it turns out this way. Don't close your doors. Be open-minded. Just entertain this as a possibility.

@Leo Gura Personally I don't class Ralston as fully awake either, he doesn't seem to have awakened to unconditional love, or stabilized in the Absolute. It's a rare that a student will outgrow a teacher, so naturally they'll only reach Ralson's level of understanding, a bit like Fred's 1-1 students will likely awaken to No-Self, but not go beyond, as that's where he's at. My point was mainly if guys like Rupert Spira, Francis Lucille & Adya focused on 1-1 they'd be much more effective, I've been on some of these guys webinars and it's like your listening to other people's awakening struggles (which has it's value at somepoints) and not your own, it just isn't as direct as it could be. This is not shitting on these guys as I regard them very highly, and it's kind of the 'industry standard' to do it this way. @Hello from Russia He's of course awakened, I just wouldn't class him as finished, if you resonate with him, get what you can from him, but it's likely to fully finish you'll need to move on from him

I'm still yet to find anyone fully Self-Realized from the Psychedelic path, by this I mean Francis Lucille, Rupert Spira, Ramana Maharshi realization. I'm not saying this won't happen in the future, and am open to it, but I mean from here it seems like Psyches give you insights and experiences, but eventually need to be let go, I think you said your experience was like this. Still think working with a teacher 1-1 & transmissions are the most direct path to awakening, and am yet to see any evidence suggesting otherwise. For example Rupert awakened by....spending a lot of time and working with Francis& Francis awakened by.....spending a lot of time and working with Jean Klein. The pattern is pretty obvious among the true advaita teachers, aside from Spontaneous awakenings, but banking on that, is like banking on winning the lottery as your source of income. The reason 99% of Guru's students are not awake is because to suit the masses, the mainstream guys have to talk to big crowds and do group meditations and inquiry sessions, and people get to ask like a few questions on retreats, it's just very sub-optimal. It's like trying to learn an instrument or sport in a group setting, it is nowhere near as effective as working with a coach/ teacher 1-1 where you can go over your own personal struggles, blockages and issues, and actually overcome these, instead of waiting 5 months until the next retreat where you can get a 10 minute answer one time. I am not saying group teachings, and talking to crowds don't have their perks and effectiveness& I'm sure they help a lot of people, it's just working 1-1 would lead to far better teacher/ student results, at least from what I've seen. When you Self-Realize and if you decide to carry on teaching, you would help a LOT more people by directly teaching them 1-1 than with your Non-Duality videos, again not saying they don't have effectiveness and are of course worthwhile, I just don't think they are the best primary focus if you want to help people awaken.

I am not fully awakened (of course), but still I think that the value in books will remain the one of maybe learning new things for your everyday life and passions and to understand maybe some phenomenon within the dream of reality. Unless you'd be able to download all these notions in your mind, even the everyday information on the best recipe without reading it into a book or on politics issues. Am I right? But yeah spirituality books would be useless I guess, unless maybe just to see other people opinions on the matter or to find way to teach betterif you're into that, but for sure not to understand reality anymore

Love you too you awakened bastard. Why you leaving?

I find it so funny that we can't talk about the meta of the meta in these situations. Like there are the people talking about all the materialist stuff, defending their egos and trying the convince people that there is a physical reality through proof and facts. And then there are the people telling them to wake up, It's all a dream, Awaken. They use words to express this which don't do it justice, like asking someone to explain the colour Yellow to them. It must be frustrating and they just say "Just go see it and you'll know"....but we are all trying. But what I'm saying is: I (Which doesn't exist) have had a realization (Which I know is just thoughts and perceptions that don't "exist") that right here doesn't exist. And that it's all an Illusion (Which is something that I'm conceptualizing).....etc etc etc. You see how this is impossible to talk about without picking apart everything that someone says as "they're still using words, they must not be awakened" But what I'm asking is that, in this illusion that we are living in, does anything seem different when you awaken, or is it just a deep knowing that we are living in an Illusion? Like someone can not have words for Yellow, but they go and experience Yellow, and then they say...Oh, Yellow was in front of my eyes this whole time! Yellow is all around me!! But it doesn't change the fact that nothing has changed, just their perception of it. Is Awakening like that? Like an obvious OOOOOHHHHH. It was right here all this time. Or does your whole Reality (which I know is an illusion) change in a tangible (I know nothing is tangible) way? Because if nothing about THIS reality changes, just your contextualization of it does, than how can I know for sure what you and I are experiencing is the same awakening? I know this to be an amazing, impossible, magical, illusory, reality. That I can't find the words to express this to you in a way that I can be sure you're experiencing in the same way as me...

how does it feel and how is your experience ? what were the changes when your kundalini was awakened

So I've been into self improovement for a year now, and meditating daily for ~7 months For the last month I've been doing enlightenment work daily for about ~30 minutes (without psychedelics) I've been trough some really bad times during my story (You can read about it Here If you're interested) To be honest - while meditating approx ~5 months into it, I started asking myself questions 'What is this voice in my head? is it a thought? where did it come from? how was it constructed? why is it talking in my native language only? etc' - basically I got into enlightenment more or less naturally. At this point I choose to believe that I'm not awakened nor am I enlightened. In fact - I've come to a realization that there's no one to become enlightened. There is no me as I use to believe (or simply assume), and on top of that 'I' or 'me' can't get enlightened - if I choose to indentify with this body and the fucking story that was attached to it this whole damn time then only thing that has happened to me is a shitton of shifts in thinking, views and awareness. At this point I've realized that I've always been here, everything I assumed was the outter world and inner world is just one. Since time is relative I've realized that I was actually never born. (this body was physically born of course) Everything is a story, even Leo's theory of enlightenment is a story, god is a story. Every damn-thing I believed and assumed to be true has collapsed, my previous thinking and ways of percieving reality is simply smashed into pieces. I've thought about death in details, a lot, even contemplated and visualized my death. - Not because of these negative emotions, since I'm not depressed - actually I'm quite happy, and aware of being happy makes me kinda less happy, but still happy. lol I feel sick, I'm watching negative emotions flow trough me , and as I'm getting deeper into enlightent it just gets sorta worse. And the worst part of this - there is no turning back, I've stopped doing any work besides meditation for a week now, but I guess this is here to stay. Thoughts?

Leo, what about reincarnation? Isn't it so that only a fully awakened person goes to infinite love at the point of the ohsycial body's death? And other people keep reincarnation? Did you get insight that makes this information no longer to be true and that everybody go to infinite love forever?

<3 Jon Hopkins is seriously a next level genius in regards to music <3 So much depth, emotion, melancholy and cosmic transendence in many of his tracks. <3 Another great is Four Tet. You don't have to do anything in the grand scheme of things. That's perhaps the horrifying part of this deep God-realization. I see clearly how I actually don't have to do anything, litteraly. I can decide freely what to do, and in the "Absolute End" it doesn't matter what I do. Yet I also saw that God's plan was/is to make me a spiritual vessel that can help people in various ways -- mental issues, waking up. And I thus naturally -- I am God, I know that -- want to help people through psychedelic therapy/psychedelic enlightenment-work. Psychedelics have destroyed me - my stage Orange belief-systems that is. And then I have been reborn through them. Deep healing. First LSD trip 5 years ago initiated stage Green. I integrated all of green. DMT/Ayahuasca/2CB the last year helped me go to stage yellow, which I'd say fully integrated around 1-2 months ago. This 2CB-trip has initiated stage Turquoise for me. In some ways the real fun for me in my life starts now. I see that. My point of all my rambling is that I have extreme respect for the violent and powerful nature of psychedelics. They are dangerous in the wrong hands. On the other hand they have the potential to heal and evolve human consciousness. That's my life purpose; to help make that come true. Psychedelic experiences have shaped me, healed me, and now made me very, very conscious of the fact that I'm God, and that everything is me/God (Oneness). I have woken up. Anyway, you can help people in infinite indirect ways. Art is one way. Even something as "low-conscious" as sports can help people. Everything serves a purpose. Follow your intutition. There are many people with high levels of consciousness who don't go around saying "Hey, I'm God, you're God, everything is God" and yet they are still very enlightened beings in some ways. Just take this muscian, Jon Hopkins. I'm just fucking amazed by his music. We don't call Jon Hopkins a guru. Yet I'd say in one way he is one of my biggest gurus :-) Fuck, even somewhat mediocre-conscious people like my parents - they are also my gurus. Everything is put into your life for a reason. You did it. You created it all. You did it all. Everything that happens in your life is YOUR/GOD's intelligent design. It's so fucking beautiful when you realize that. ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ Yes I do. To summarize how I feel this morning: Grounded as fuck. Light in mind and body as fuck. Very, very sensitive to everything around me - in a beautiful, grounded way. Just listening to a few minutes of this talk - that Leo put up on his blog - - made me cry a bit. Obviously, I'm not in the same "God-consciousness-state" as I was on the peak of my 2CB-trip yesterday night. However, I deeply know that I'm still God. I just know. In that sense enlightenment is not a state. Peter Ralston is right in a sense: it's not a state, enligthenment. It's just a flipping 360 degrees of everything in the way you look at things. In your awareness. The mirror has been turned 180 degrees during the peak experience (yesterday) and now it has turned 180 degrees more and we're back at WaveInTheOcean-consciousness. Full circle. Yet, now I'm complete. I know I'm God and that all is God. It's so beautiful. Fuck, enligthenment/awakening is SO FUCKING OBVIOUS. How could it be ANY other way? How could it? Of course there is only one Self - YOU! Me! God! How could it be any other way? Hahahhahahhaha fuck man. It's so, so , so , so , so obvious that we all miss it. haha >.< Of course I still felt tired when I woke up. I still have "negative" feelings such as being tired and so on. Enlightenment doesn't change the content of your perception. It just changes the way you look at it. At everything. So to look at enlightenment as some sort of a "state" where you don't need to sleep, don't need to eat, don't "need" anything, where you can't feel pain: That's a naive and immature way of looking at it and reflects lack of actual insight. "since you are fully awakened I suppose you would be able to sit down and be alone with “yourself “ / meditate for 10 hours straight? Or at least 3-5 hours ? Am I mistaken to believe that is something an enlightened person could easily do?" Look, I can do anything. Litterally. I can fly. I'm all the birds. I'm already flying. I'm already you. To be a bit more serious -- relatively speaking - the maxmium amount of time I have consciously forced myself to sit down and meditate is 1 hour. I have no doubt that I could pretty easily meditate for "infinite" amount of hours in a row (still getting some sleep, food and so on), but what is the point of that? Meditation as a practice is a technology. An art-form. A way to ground yourself and widen your conscious (both things). However, in another way, you could say meditation is what I'm now doing 24/7. I'm meditating as I write these words. It comes so naturally. That's another thing I have realized this morning. As I said I just feel so light. Everything I do , I just do. No resistance. It's almost like I'm not doing any of it. An enlightened human being can do anything. That's the short answer. And it's scary to be so free. But also beautiful. My call in this life of WaveInTheOcean is to help other people. Do I help other people -- /reach that goal -- by meditating in a cave 365 days a year? Hell fucking no. Will some light daily meditation of 10-30 minutes a day help me in my goal? Hell yes. It will help ground me. After I was finished writing yesterday night here I walked outside in the beautiful early morning night and sat at a bench by a lake, smoked a cigarette and meditated for 20 minutes. These 20 minutes really felt short. Then I walked inside and slept. When you have an ego that's not really spiritually developed/mature, I think ego-death really feels profound/scary/intense. When your ego is very developed spiritually, ego-death is just so natural. I meditated for 20 minutes, and for most of these 20 minutes there were no thoughts. Yet it wasn't very intense. It was just bliss and calm. Grounded me. And I feel it's VERY important for me to stay grounded. Cos I'm naturally a person that gets really excited about the stuff I do. Now I have just become enlightened and there are impulses in me that just want to follow fucking through and go crazy/leave this planet/plane of existence. But I won't do that, no worries, I will remain grounded. <3 Yes, you are very right. I can do that, no problem. That's how it is now. No resistance. No suffering. Sure I could still feel pain if a girl rejected me -- cos that's how my body-mind is wired -- but I wouldn't resist it and naturally, easily get over it. Why would I? I'm fucking God. The girl rejecting me is me rejecting myself! It's all my doing. One of the most profound talks ever: My parents aren't that bad. So that would be super easy:) Even if my parents were bad, it wouldn't be a problem. Sure that would be negative feelings arising in me, but I wouldn't resist them. Why would I ? ;-) Haha. Love your ego. Yes, it is your ego. But that's natural. The ego wants to survive. Everyone on this forum are ego's searching for enligthenment/awakening. And naturally when someone makes a bold post "I'm enligthened - AMA" other egoes easily gets hurt and rejects/resist what the dude writes. I've been there myself. I've been on this forum for a few years now, and I remember all the "i'm God - AMA" posts and I remeber how I felt annoyed and pissed off by them :-) All the people who writes nice things to me/asks geniune questions - to my ego - in this topic, it's easily to see that they are the most conscious. The ones who fool around are just egoes with a narrow consciousness, lack of Self-love, lack of insight, lack of understanding, lack of direct experience :-) I feel sorry for them, but I hope they'll get there. I've been there myself. <3 Don't say sorry for your ego. Let my post piss you off. Let you experience how you also find it funny. To conclude, yes, it feels Good. Amazing. Hehe How can I, as God, fool myself? <3 It's pretty easy actually. We all do it. Now I remember I'm God, so no more fooling around <3 Hey. I am an ordinary human being. I just know I'm God. That's all. I don't want to be a non-ordinary human being. I like being human, for now. But to take the bait, my friend, have you ever wondered about all the chemicals right now flooding around in your so-called sober brain, like right now as you're reading these words? The most prominent/dominating one is called 'serotonin'. It's a natural chemical. A neuro-transmitter. It hits all the receptors in your brain that 2C-B, DMT, 5-MeO, LSD, psilocin also hits. They are all serotonin-agonists. You probably don't know what that means, since your post obviously reflects a deep lack of knowledge about the topic. But anyway, I'll continue, cos this is fun! So you can easily call serotonin a pscyhedelic. Easily. Hell, look at the structure of serotonin. It's nearly identical to psilocin and DMT. The difference between the psychedelics -- serotonin included -- is how they differ in their binding affinity to specific serotonin-receptors in the brain (cos there are many different ones). My question to you, dear observer, is: When will you come down from your serotonion-trip ??? Other questions I want you to ponder: - What is the difference between consciousness and outside physical reality/stuff? - What is the difference between a dream and what we call ordinary, waking reality? - What were you before you were born? - What will happen to you when you die? - What happens to you when you go to deep sleep? Look. You're already hallucinating. You're hallucinating/tripping on serotonin. So am I, right now. We are fucking God tripping, hallucinating herself to believe she is a human being! How fucking hillarious is that, mate? Only difference between you and me is that I know I'm God tripping, while you still pretend to be "poor little me, poor little "the observer". Get out of it, God! Come on! For God's sake! <3 Outside pyschedelics just helps to tweak the serotonin-system a bit, strips you off your ego (it kills the default-mode-network), widens your consciousness and gets you access to your True Self. I have also thought a lot about how I now have zero desire to ever get drunk on alcohol again. Alcohol really lowers your consciousness. And I don't want that. I want to remain in a high state of consciousness as much as possible. In one specific way, however, alcohol may actually widen your consciousness. Namely in the way it sort of makes you less inhibited/less worried about your self-image. This action alone is the sole reason why people drink. ----- Much love to everyone here. That is, to myself <3

Do you still feel done /fully awakened now the next day? since you are fully awakened I suppose you would be able to sit down and be alone with “yourself “ / meditate for 10 hours straight? Or at least 3-5 hours ? Am I mistaken to believe that is something an enlightened person could easily do? i also suppose you would be able to maintain a healthy relationship to a romantic partner if that it is what you wanted to - completely free of suffering because you wouldn’t have to deal with the ego stuff and also be able to take the other person in completely as yourself.. would you be able to do that now or am I mistaken for taking that as enlightenment? also.. would you be able to stay at your parents house for a weekend or maybe a week - and stay in this mindset or would you be tricked back into old patterns? And if you would, could you still “claim that you are done “ is the “done-enlightened-state” final/enduring/stable? your post pisses be off incredibly much. It is very fun to experience. I don’t know why, guess it’s just my ego.. look forward to the experience of done-ness if I ever will be as hard working in my enlightenment work as you must have been and ever reach it. Can imagine it feels really good.. but well.. shouldn’t care about too feel good or not.. sorry ego again..

Yes you did it! Welcome home to the world of the Self. That feeling of "everything is the self" shows you have awakened for real. Update tomorrow or in a few days how it feels.

Hey interesting. My old teacher, he first started doing high dose LSD trips in the 70s. He would do every Friday, for about a year. Then on one experience he had an awakened or non-dual experience. It was an experience of enlightenment. Once he experienced that, it changed him. He knew it was the real thing, and he dedicated his life to achieving it. The next day, after that experience, he came back to reality, he was no longer enlightened. He knew LSD wasn't going to bring him there in a permanent way. He started practicing Zazen under Philip Kapleau, and didn't touch LSD again. He spent 10 years living alone, in rural isolation, just meditating. He eventually got it. I asked if it was like the LSD experience, and he said yes, but in some ways it's even better, as it's unshakable now, it's real and doesn't go away. Now I think 5-meo is actually unique, it's quite different in how profound it is. I think it's incredibly valuable to give one experiences that transcend duality, and can supercharge one's meditation practice. One of the risks is that it's so profound that it can be another form of attachment. This idea that one must get there, or live from that place, that's another form of attachment. It lacks a certain maturity, it lacks equanimity. When you meet a true elder, someone who has really walked their path and garnered wisdom, you can feel a quality of presence and being that is very embodied and mature. I don't think one can shortcut that, and I think one needs that to be balanced. There is a deep humility, there is a knowing of responsibility, there is a careful sense of speech and action. I think undoubtedly that psychedelics and even deep states of meditation can be used as another form of spiritual materialism, another distraction from Dukkha (suffering/unsatisfactoriness). I can personally say that I was deeply unsatisfied, I felt a deep sense of restlessness at all times, a lack of connection, a lack of joy, a feeling of melancholy... I was attempting to escape this state, to go beyond it with psychedelics and meditation. They worked for a time, but the feeling would always return, and ultimately I just had to accept it and see if I could still live a meaningful life in spite of it. I am now understanding the value of going through such hardships, a real sense of wisdom and maturity is garnered over time. It's very difficult, and I would have taken any way out, but luckily nothing worked and I was forced to accept it and live through it. I've been taught patience, and it's been a hard lesson.

Could be that he is not awakened, some people like to do some exercises and just keep it at that, reap some benefits and stay rather ordinary. Spiritual masters are not normal and don't seek to be liked, so most people like to avoid them as the plague.

Thanks for the thoughtful feedback. I'm aware of most of the things you're talking about. It's not news to me. Regarding Shinzen Young, I have had extensive hour-long private questioning sessions with him about the nature of reality. His answers to my questions left me unsatisfied and given my deepest awakenings I can tell that he is not fully Awake. I don't see that he has an understanding of what Infinity is and what God is. And his students are certainly not deeply awakened. You could follow him for decades and never realize the things I have realized. Shinzen Young does not understand Mahasamadhi. He thinks it's a fake out done by holding your breath and killing yourself. Lol Be careful who you follow and take as Awake. Yes, of course states are not stages. I have never claimed they were. I don't claim to have reached the highest stages, but only the highest states. But also, this difference is completely irrelevant from the point of you of Truth/Understanding. It doesn't matter what stage you're at when you are in an Infinite state. If fact, there is no such thing as stages. All stages are simply states. It's just a question of how long your state lasts. It could last 1 second or 100 years. The privileging of one over the other is itself a bias of the mind. You may think my path is dangerous, but also don't forget how dangerous your path is. The danger of never fully awaking up. This proves my point. If these people failed by using traditional methods, then what hope do you have of success using those methods? There is no collective to awaken. There is only your awakening. The collective is that part of your dream which you invented to keep yourself asleep. Full awakening is a very radical thing. You don't want it.

@traveler In my experience; enlightenment has no past to awaken from and no future to be awakened to. Light is all there is. *big conscious breath*

@Nahm thank you so much for a very detailed answer. However, I don't think that you can deny the existence of separation and ignorance (even if it's illusory) within the finite forms of the Self, even if you are talking from an awakened POV - imagine being born to slavery and indoctrination having no clue of the absolute truth whatsoever - it's simply being dismissive

@dimitri Just because there are awakened people in the ether web (or whatever) doesn't mean that every mind is free of delusion.

@SamueLSD My spidey sense tells me so, yes. @DrewNows Awesome! Thanks! I too have been feeling an attraction towards the world of occult lately. Exciting stuff! There's ALOT tho. Only flirting with it for now. I was also recently reminded of the predominant element in my current experience; Fire. I wish to transcend the cycle of burning out and reigniting. So all there is is The Eternal Flame. Fire is the truth of my personal self, that I know for sure. I am dedicated to mastering it, sooner or later. Anyhow... About to hit the sheets now, will check the vid when awakened. Much luv.

There’s no cause to anything, it just does Leo It’s inevitable, eventually shit hits the ceiling and there’s nothing to blame but the system (ourselves as the government) for the ineffective means at which It destroys itself (or ripples). I’d rather look at it as individuation rather than devolution I do try to avoid the drama, moved on. But it’s a must sadly, for those who feel they have something to offer, I see it to be just another mask like the status quo and political pushes (powers that be) Your influence is great here in guiding the awakened, painting a picture to bring us through fear and into unity beyond difference, back to balance. Appreciate your view

Why did jesus claim to be only begotten son of god? Why mohammed claimed to be the last prophet of god? How can awakened people make such claims which seem so absurd? How much truth is in these claims or these just fabrications/misinterpretations or perhaps misunderstanding of metaphors by their early followers?