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Before I found Leo and this community I always thought I was broken. I grew up not really having a strong identity. I mimicked others like characters in my favourite movies, or people I met who seemed to have their shit together. I watched and tried to act like they acted, talk the way they talked, did what they were doing. In the back of my mind I knew that this was all a game, a play, and I was the actor in it. I always felt that there was something wrong with me though. I could feel other peoples egos very strongly and I couldn't understand how they were so sure of themselves and why they got angry about everything and why all their actions were done out of selfishness. I was always in my own head analyzing people and society. I only saw the love in things, I wanted to make everyone happy and comfortable and ease their pain somehow. I used to talk to my family and close friends about not having an identity and they couldn't really understand me. I read psychology and sociology textbooks that stressed the importance of developing an identity in adolescence to move into adulthood like there were concrete "stages" that people had to go through. I got brainwashed into thinking that I was broken, and I missed my opportunity to develop an identity, and that I would be lost forever. This lead me to a long period of struggle and suffering, not really being able to find a purpose or a drive. Everything I did just felt like acting. I picked a safe career that my parents approved of and dated a lot of girls that had very strong egos and problems that I tried to fix (which I couldn't because I didn't understand myself yet). And in all that I was dealing with an inferiority complex that stemmed from the belief of being broken and worthless. Ironically, that sort of became my identity. But since I've started listening to Leo and other non-duality teachers. Things are starting to click into place. I realize that I wasn't broken at all, and that I was just not building my ego at the same rate as everyone else. Because my ego is so weak, I can clearly see what all of you are talking about here. It totally makes sense to me that all we are is a complete fiction, a story, a construct. All the beliefs that I have are so easily broken down now because they were all things that I picked up consciously in the first place and I never held on to them tightly anyways. I've been self-Inquiring and deconstructing beliefs and thoughts for a few years now. It's all starting to come together. I have a strong intuitive sense that this reality is One, Consciousness, Love, Infinity. I haven't awakened yet, and the unknown sort of scares me. I may not have an "identity" but I do have a strong bond to my friends and family and I have a "healthy" fear of death. I don't know if I should even be going further in this path because I've found a lot of relief from deconstructing alone, but I sort of feel like I've peeked behind the curtain and I don't think there is any stopping this train now. ? Anyone else had these identity issues growing up and found answers in Leo's work?

Karma yoga is one of the mainstream yogic paths, usually done with a combination of bakhti and gyan, so he's just wrong here lol. He also seems very ethnocentric. 'dont awaken serpents because serpent bad hur dur'...tf kind of logic was he on about there ahaha. I highly doubt he's awakened, if somenoes looking to this guy for spiritual growth then I'd say they're looking in the wrong areas-but what do I know, I'm not awake .

I’ve watched a fair bit of this bloke and I think it’s difficult to deny he’s on the ball with this stuff. Clearly a different personality type to most awakened people ya tend to come across. But listen to the the things he says and how he talks about it. For me he’s clearly where he claims to be. Gifted I don’t know, as he’s put in a lot of work. Personally I’d say his works paid off more than just being outright gifted. But unless being around the guy and actually getting to know him a bit, then it’s all a bit of guess work I suppose

The Fourth Way in general refers to the inner and outer parts of the centers. Personality is at the outer part of the centers. Contact with the inner parts of the centers reveals essence. Different aspects of essence. Distinguishing Physical Sensation from Essential Substance The capacity to sense oneself must become so refined that the individual can discriminate between physical sensation and the sensation of essential substance. It is not enough that the mind be quiet. It is also necessary for the body to be sensitive. The mind can be quiet while the body is deadened. The body has to be awakened so that the center of sensing, the belly center, can be activated. The belly center, or what Gurdjieff called the physical center, is the center of sensing for all parts of the body. Its deepest function is the subtle sensing, the sensing of essential presence, that the Sufis call the organ for touch. Touch is, in a sense, the most intimate of the physical senses. The skin must be directly against an object to touch it. There is no intermediary medium, like sound for hearing or light for seeing. So this subtle capacity is a very intimate one. Accurately speaking, it is sensing essence by being essence. It is the most direct way of perception. This capacity of touch, connected with the belly center, is very intimately connected with the embodiment of essence. It is the body center; its mode of perception is embodiment. Here, perception as touch, and being, are the same act. So this capacity is the most important one. Essence with the Elixir of Enlightenment, pg. 130 from Glossary page - https://www.diamondapproach.org/glossary/refinery_phrases/belly-center

Which ego? :-) Where is it? Can you show me, please. Where does it exist? What is it made out of? What does it look like? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am fully aware that, ultimately, there is absolutely "no one" who ever wakes up. But for the love of God, we live inside the dream, and if this forum has to have any purpose, we have to collectively accept that it is possible for any characther inside the dream to wake up..., wake up as in the sense that it's God waking up through these characters to itself. I have realized I am God/Love, I know I'm God, and I'm directly aware I'm sitting here on a forum talking to myself. Right now. The question is, are you? If not, how come? Wake up There is no one here To even say God is here is ultimately false. All we say with words is completetly and utterly false. The Truth can't be spoken. Instead, the Truth can only be something you become/directly experience. Become it then. Experience it. But what? You say, you don't know what it is. But I tell you: YOU DO! IT IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR EYES. That's how obvious it is! Like a fish swimming around in the ocean, looking for "water", that's what we are all doing, pre-awakening. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes, I know it's pointless to write "I'm awakened", cos all it will do is create resistance in all the other egoic victim-minds sitting here. It's better to show than tell. However, in this case with this dude, bashing Connor's videos, and acting like he himself knows what's up and down -- when he obviously does not -- I thought, hell, why the fuck not. At least I hope I can provocate some emotion inside him, hate,... that he can at least be honest about that. Honesty is key. Can you guys at least be honest? Where is the ego, now, again?

You are very, very confused. Let me try to break it down for you, even though you will resist what I'm saying with all the ego you can confjure up (makes me question why I do this, but what the fuck, why do anything at all, one might say). 1. You say you don't look down on him, then proceed to obviously look down on him. Hilarious 2. Where am I defending him in my post exactly? Quote me 3. I could not give a bigger fuck whether or not he is awakened. Really. All I'm doing here is pointing out how fucking amazingly funny it is that you - on the other hand - is not giving a fuck about it, hehe. What I give a fuck about, though, is the wisdom of the words he is spitting out in his youtube-vidoes lately. Focus on the words, instead of the person. His latest video is basically 21 minutes of pure truth-dropping. I love what he's saying. I don't give a fuck about whether or not he is awakened, although to me, he is one of the most awakened dudes I've come across lately. It's fine that you disagree, but I'm just blown away of the wisdom in this video: 4. " I was in it for the development of health, weight gain and euphoria of exercise" . Oh right, you were, I forgot that So why did you want to develop better health and gain weight? For what purpose, exactly? If you say "to have a healthier body", then I ask again: Why do you want to have a healthier body? If you say "It feels nice", I may ask: "Why do you want it to feel nice?" Who wants to have a healthier body, who wants it to feel nice? Also why the fuck gain some muscle, anyway? Not to impress the girls, that's for sure, right? 5. I haven't watched his earlier videoes except of just skimming through his old channel, and by looking at the video thumbnails I can clearly see that only people who were still very much stuck in orange would watch these kind of videos. 6. "Hierarchies in this work are delusional." Oh, they are? In which "work", you say? So Trump was as equally awakened/liberated/enlightened/selfless as Jesus? Is that what you are saying? 7. Anyway, let's for a moment pretend that all humans on Earth are on the same level of consciousness -- no hierachies as you say -- and then look at what you wrote: "He completely adorned the superficiality of the gym lifestyle, which I found to be demonstrably depreciate it. " If there are no hierarchies, how come you call something as innocent as "gym lifestyle" superficial? Is it really any more superficial than you and me sitting on an internet forum discussing whether or not a random dude could be awakened or not? Is it more superficial than a man sitting in a cave meditating 24-7-365 ??? If yes, why? If no, then why call it superficial? Superficial according to who's standards? Superficial in regards to what, exactly? 8. "My estimation is that he is stuck in the territory of self-concept and ego, through which his rants are taking place and subduing others. Hence, his dualistic rants and pontificating." Why do you even spend time conjuring up an estimation of him? If he's just talking random dualistic ego-shit out of his mouth, why do you even care to attack him at all? If it's so obvious that he's talking nonsense, why do you take so much of your sweet time to attack the obvious? "territory of self-concept and ego" .. which territory exactly? There is no ego, ultimately speaking. You can't find it, cos it doesn't exist. Of course, relatively speaking there is ego. ((( Ego is all that in our personalities/mind which keep on insisting that We (We = Love = God = Consciousness) are not Love/Oneness but instead an isolated human being, a separate person, a 'poor little me', lacking something, and fearing the brutal cold, outside world, which will us no good. ))) ... ...Which also means that, relatively speaking, it makes perfect sense to talk about different levels of consciousness. Yes, ultimately speaking, we are all One, and Trump = Buddha = Love = Me = You. ... But it doesn't really make any sense at all to try to speak of the ultimate truth, really, because words can only point to it, nothing more. We can't state the truth with words, only talk about it. To get the truth, one must directly experience it, become it. So let's get some relative truths on the board now, shall we,: This dude has awakened to Oneness. I am awakened, too, and therefore my opinion on the matter is infinitly more valuable than your egoic, selfish, victim-mindset-beyond-obvious-shadow-projection critique of him. That you call his recent talks in his videos for "dualistic rants" makes me question if you have ever read a spiritual book or watched a spiritual video. Maybe you have. And maybe, instead, you are just insanely mad at yourself and him. For obvious reasons. And mad alone can't do it. You probably feel justified to feel that you should always be more "spiritual mature" than a guy who has made a living of posting "empty" Stage-Orange-content on a Youtube-channel. So not only are you mad, you are jealous, deeply sad (deep inside) and full of resentment. You feel like a 'poor little me', which is now imposing his beliefs to the this meaningless forum, about whether or not some random dude is awakened. Like it fucking matters. So therefore, if you want me to brutally honest, you are deluded and confused beyond what I thought was possible for someone on this forum to be. (Ultimately speaking, this means that I am that, and it saddens me, but it's also hilarious). Really, what is happening here, is that Connor is just expressing himself freely. He couldn't give a bigger fuck what you and I think of him. And what are you doing here? All you do is talking him down and criticizing him. For what fucking purpose? Stop masturbating around in your own egoic circle-jerk-victim-mind and start expressing yourself freely, like he does. Write/do something that means someting to you and the world, really, instead of just talking other people down. Yes, I'm also talking you down now, but I have to talk low-conscious-ego-stupidity down when I see it. Sure, get mad at me, that's the best thing you can do. The fucking least you can do. The most honest thing. Express yourself as freely and authentically as you can. Don't resist it. Be fucking mad. Be mad at Connor for having gotten ahead of you on "the spiritual journey". Be mad at me for being an arrogant prick towards you right now. Be fucking honest with yourself. Honesty is the least you can practice. I honestly haven't read a more dishonest post -- than this one of yours -- on this forum since I joined. At least be fucking honest with yourself, brother. Much Love <3

Haha how did I know you would assume such a thing in defence of him ? Firstly, I never insinuated that I am above him or look down upon him. No one is above nor below anyone. Hierarchies in this work are delusional. You have superimposed this as an opinion. No that is not an accurate assessment. You’ve made an extremely naive assumption in stating that. I’ve never really been fond of Conners work. He always embellished egocentricity and pig headedness when it came to the fitness lifestyle. It was more about the “looks” and it’s perks than the investment factors that underlined it. I was in it for the development of health, weight gain and euphoria of exercise. He completely adorned the superficiality of the gym lifestyle, which I found to be demonstrably depreciate it. And now he assumes he is single handedly “awakened” having been deluded for a copious number of years. His fooling himself. I doubt your assertions on the matter. My estimation is that he is stuck in the territory of self-concept and ego, through which his rants are taking place and subduing others. Hence, his dualistic rants and pontificating. Be open to such a possibility that he may not be what you’ve so recently assumed he is, which from the mounting evidence seems highly probable.

"Simply because, one does not awaken, awakening awakens to itself. " I like that, thank you. I agree very much. Good answer. ------------------------------------------------ So you were a gym/stage-orange/PUA-junkie (like Connor). But now you have moved pass that and are now spiritual (stage green/yellow/turquoise w/e). And now you "look down" on Connor -- your former "teacher", who you then saw to ultimately be a noob (spiritually talking). Seems like classical psychological unconscious projection to me =D "Awakening is not an instant bypass, it requires meticulous and arduous embodiment. Far more than that of a single mystical experience." I agree. But could it be that Connor -- like you have -- have actually been interested in awakening/spirituality for +3 years and that he just recently (1-2 months ago) got a "breakthrough" ? ... ...And that you for some unconscious reasons simply cannot be open to that possiblity? :-D Be open at least. As you say, what does "awakening" even mean?. There is no one here to awaken. Connor has not awakened obviously; Awakening has awakened to it self, as you say; this is always the case <3

@Jacobsrw sorry I have not read the whole thread, but may I ask, how come you have watched so many of Connors earlier stage-orange videos? (personally i have never heard of him until last month). also what does "awakening" mean to you? when are you truly awakened? are you awakened? <3

@Jacobsrw So if i unterstood you right, materialism and hedonism cannot go hand in hand with spiritual growth because it reinforces the self. So here is something to think about young boy: Connor had this spiritual growth preciesly because he had this materialism and hedonism too much. He even said in his last videos that this was the main reason he went into depression because this hedonism did not make him happy. So he was in a desperate situation, he had everything materialistic thing possible and he realized this will not make him happy at all, which gave him the spiritual growth he has right now. You see, hedonism and materalism can make you a very spiritual person in the end. The more he was invested in hedonism, the more it was clear how hollow this is and parallel his pursuing in spirituality awakened more and more

@JacobsrwAt least I can it more than you. You can do everything with consciousness, so even eating meat and enjoy life can therefore very spiritual. Think about it Another fact is, that not all your acting must be spiritual, lol I dont say he is awakened. But what you said, that his spiritual side is fake because he did not show it the videos before, that is what I want to show you that your conclusions could be wrong

@LfcCharlie4 Thank you very much. Ok, I think you are right with just theories confusing the heck out of me and that I should just start practicing, which I have btw, but I was just still too confused that I lacked the motivation and I had to get some answers from people who are awakened like you so thank you. One last thing though, if everything is just imaginary, don't you ever have the feeling of what's the point?

@Seraphim first of all, thank you very much. Second of all, have you already been awakened that you say this?

Hey there, Before I continue, I would like to point out that I have NOT experienced awakening yet. This information comes from watching many videos from Leo. Also, my state of confusion that lead to no drive/purpose/motivation is NOT blamed on Leo, but myself. I am actually very grateful for having stumbled upon this topic. However, to get to the point, Leo has stated many times that there is no self and that we are EVERYTHING (non-duality), the absolute you. I know I haven't experienced it yet, but if there's only one thing, who's controlling me right now? Who's typing right now...well, yes, Winny, but apparently I'm just a fiction, imaginary and that confuses me. This leads me to think "why bother?" What's the point of doing anything if there's no Winny? (Winny is my name btw :D) I script for my youtube videos every single day and I have a dream, but now I just ask myself "why bother?", I practice law of attraction, but now I say "why bother?". I'm having a more negative attitude towards life. I mean seriously, if there's no self, then who's doing everything? If there's no free will then I can just be lazy. There's also another video where Leo says that yes, even though there's no free will, you can still be productive...I'm just so confused by everything. There's no meaning to anything and if I want to pursue my dream or purpose, isn't that doing it for the ego? which apparently is imaginary because the ego is a part of Winny. I need your HELP! I really would like to have motivation again to pursue my dream or to do anything productive in general. It would be nice if I got an answer from someone who is awakened, to clarify this for me.

@Parththakkar12 I get what you're saying. Because I have a healthy relationship with a very close girlfriend, I can see what you're talking about. We meet give each other emotional support, if the other wants it. We love each other completely and without judgement. So this is what the Reiki master told me when I was gone. "Relationships are based on conditional love. Only you have the power to offer yourself unconditional love." I think unconditional love is the love that is absolutely needed. There's probably a percentage to gauge happiness out there. And I'm sure there is a portion that is reserved for conditional love, i.e. community, close friendships (I'm leaving romantic relationships out of this, for now) But from what I understand, unconditional love of the self is what should be focused on until you have put your thoughts (ego), in their rightful place. Any outside interference will make you lean too heavily on others. And @Elham I see this as a trend. Leo is introverted. However I feel he was introverted prior to awakening. Here are my thoughts that could be incorrect, but, I believe if you are truly awakened or enlightened or have successfully killed your ego, you would be neither, or you would be 50/50. Because if only the one that sees, exists, then you are fully living in the present. It wouldn't matter if you were around others or not around others. You would simply, be. You would not have a preference as to "I like being alone" or "I like to be within a loving community." I can't speak on where Leo is at or if he's still introverted. But his awakening should have taken care of introverted-ness. He may isolate himself more to explore deeper stages of consciousness or whatever drugs do, but I would hope if he was not working on his thoughts (ego), he would be fully comfortable in a room full of people.

One thing is I noticed: I feel like there has to be some 'spiritual handbook' or manual out there available underground to make a business out of spirituality, because when he became "awakened", his videos are exactly word for word describing enlightenment or awakening in an almost almost too good fashion. Almost came out sounding like Leo out the gates. Without prior investment in spirituality, how did he cough up all that info in a short amount of time without referring to something? I hope some of you see right through this facade because you might have to dive deeper into your spiritual work if you find this convincing or real lol.

Aha! Notice that in the Ancient Egyptian picture in the previous post the snake is encircling the heart and the head. It could indicate that the ouroboros symbolizes awakened kundalini energy between the mind and the heart, not between the 7th and 1st chakras. There are also pictures of pharaohs from Ancient Egypt with cobras coming out of their foreheads. The claim is that the cobra represents authority: It's also interesting that the funeral mask of Tutankhamun has both a cobra and a vulture coming out of the forehead. Kundalini is often describes as two serpents coiled around the base of the spine. Wikipedia says: "the royal insignia of a cobra (Wadjet) and vulture (Nekhbet), symbolising Tutankhamun's rule of both Lower Egypt and Upper Egypt respectively." That may represent two different aspects of kundalini.

Love this! The power of flow and fluidity. It truly emanates in the throughout ones being so powerfully if they allow it to. Dancing is one such act I find fascinating. In some ways I see people being in their most awakened state when just mindlessly dancing. Had they known that the essence of life is a dance maybe they wouldn’t depend on a club in which to do it.

He is strongly deluded about what it's like to be awakened/enlightened

@DreamScape So your kundalini awakening was not difficult ? I have read many story of people having traumatic experiences when their kundalini awakened, that now I have sometimes a small fear that popes up in my mind when I am having a strong experience. I would like to know if only some people have it rough or most people Also have you some experience with psychedelics ? I am curious to know if it changes things in that regard after the kundalini awakening.

You said that you are awakened but since you trivialize everything, from my perspective you are nothing but a lazy arrogant ass talking about things that you cannot comprehend yet. And don't tell me about Truth because it wipes its ass with you as a toilet paper. Enjoy the matrix ?

Hello brother. I'm happy on your behalf to hear that you too have awakened. Yes, I like your wording. We are still infants. However, I must say I already feel pretty much like a grown-up capable of enjoying and watering this beautiful garden of God (i.e. my garden), we normally call life. I have to say, my integration is going pretty smooth. Dno why. Always in the past, after trips, I have found integration very, very difficult. Especially after my Ayahuasca-trips. It took time. Now it just seems to happen without me doing anything. Of course me writing a lot on this forum is how I sort of integrate it a bit. But I don't even -- most of the time -- feel like it's me writing these messages. It just happens. I follow you 100%. My thirst for life is infinite/unlimited, right now, it seems. It's sort of scary to have so much "creative force" inside you, and so much freedom. The world is literally at my feet and it is OF COURSE beautiful beyond beautiful... but also a bit "wauww-let's-just-relax-for-a-bit-shall-we":-)

The issue about self and others (especially regarding boundaries) has been a kind of a motif of my life, so I appreciate the topic. I've been thinking about if Ken Wilber's pre-personal-trans logic can be utilized in these issues to pinpoint your own stage. Especially pre-trans fallacy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Wilber#Pre/trans_fallacy), where spiritually awakened people are mixed up and mix themselves up with conventionally religious people. In this case, I've been thinking about people who are selfless because of harsh childhood conditioning, and they push their own needs to the shadow and never issue them. They feel like they are the most developed people for doing this, even though they actually are at the lowest rank. When people integrate and transcend (not spiritually bypass and shove it to the shadow!) their selfish needs, they evolve up to the highest level: genuinely selfless stage.

@Aaron p There is no way to know how much awaken someone is in this forum. They may or may not be awake more than Leo. Two possibilties that Leo is trying to pull off. One he is trying to push people's buttons to test their own ego and the other is Leo is biased. Someone can be completely awakened and may not be able to articulate it as well as someone like Leo or a great salesman like Tony Robbins.

An ego can be infinitely free, infinite in its understanding of its own unreality, infinitely Loving, infinitely selfless. This is an awakened person I'm describing, right there. Also: as the ego sees it's unreal/that its true nature is everything, i.e. it identifies itself just as much with every other being on the planet as with its own private body..., naturally you could then say that the ego is still *just as selfish* as it's always been: now it just defines itself as EVERYTHING! :-) The all-encompassing ego. The person who knows that he is nothing and everything. The awakened person. Infinite Selfishness = infinite selflessness "Love says 'I am everything.' Wisdom says 'I am nothing.' Between the two, my life flows"