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Hello my name is Gianna, Glad to have come across the forum. I came across Leo's videos maybe a month ago. I usually do not like to post in forums on the internet but I feel compelled to write a little about myself and something I am looking to work on. I like hearing others perspectives. I have been into personal transformation my whole life but I didn't really realize. But I've actually went intense in personal transformation for the last 5-6 years unraveling a lot of things. Something like this is def a long term process. From my perspective agility is key in personal transformation and you can unravel things for years and still have more to work on and unravel. Many beginnings and ends along the way. Synchronicities are something I am starting to process in life but it takes your perspective in life to a whole other angle that's kinda weird. Something I need to work on is getting better at interacting with others and maybe joining. The more I do the personal transformation work I find myself less likely wanting to interact with others or the hard part is the way I used to interact with others is changing and I'm going through some integration, growth and transitions at this time. It def can get scary. Authenticity is the theme I enjoy. Okay that's all I'll write for now. THanks Leo, I enjoy your videos and passion.
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@Huz88 "Thoughts are virtually silenced" but they are still there in the form of awareness. Awareness is also thought. There is nothing to attain spirtually except the thought that there is nothing to attain Buddha himself is quoted as saying something like this (guess he is quoted as saying something like"he gained nothing from enlightenment" but i dont want to google it now). You can change thoughts and thats all you can do. Everything is as real as you think it is and as important as you think it is. Enlightenment, i dont know what that is but the way i think it someone who thinks he is as special and important as anything in the unverse is someone who is in tune with his existence. About strong sitting meditation i stumbled upon a youtube video of a budhist monk who is a monk since he was 12 or something, meditating all the time duiring his teen years in Sri Lanka. In his early 20s he went to USA and he talked about getting furious on the bus because the bus was full and nobody gave him the seat and in Sri Lanka people stand up for the monks. He said he got so mad he told other monk he wouldnt stay in USA. Took him time to calm down and tame his ego. What i want to show you with the previous example is that you can try to do whatever people tell you should do in terms of meditation but until you understand how useless it all is for thought transformation, it will do more harm than good. The way i think it you are better off thinking about what is meditation and what is thought in its various forms than trying to shut down thought just because of what others think. Write a prisoner with solitary confinement experience about strong sitting meditation and see what he will tell you. Many guys in prison locked up 23 hours a day meditate a lot and get into yoga but they dont become spiritual gurus because of it, or experience permanent bliss because of it. They can think they are out and free through meditation but only for a while. Only the ones who go crazy (crazy meaning unable to function and survive efficiently) will claim they are elightened, special, in perpetual bliss tec etc. I think about how insignificant everything and everyone on earth was before they existed and how insignificant everything and everyone will be after this planet is gone. This thought has always helped me put everything in perspective. Im not special and i will never be. Nobody is. Show me someone who doesnt need to breath to keep the heart pumping and i show you someone unique, special, who has something no mamal in the universe has. Show me someone who claims he never lied or lies and i show you a liar. Here is a video of the monk who told the bus story. One of his videos, i dont know if its the bus one.
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A way to Actualize replied to zasa joey's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
The revenant was certainly very interesting as well. Aside from the bloody things, there was certainly a spiritual message in there. According to Eckhart Tolle it is a good movie when the charachter goes trough a transformation. The ending was quite a pity with the revenge part, better he had forgiven. Loved the movie. -
I lately thought about what stage in the Claire Graves model I am at. I came to the conclusion that I am mostly green or below and I wanted to make clear to myself, what I have to do to move up to higher stages. I'll just share my notes on that topic, as I think that they may be valuable to others. Many of them are excerpts from a Talk of Ken Wilber about integral spirituality (https://youtu.be/H4jcxxJ_0ok?t=39m50s). Feel free to share your own thoughts. What is stage green: a stage of the spiral dynamics model post-modern, pluralistic, relativistic, cultural creative, diversity, participatory can take a 4th person perspective, can reflect on 3rd person perspectives (eg. science), can reach conclusions from a higher level of generality, like: universal truths (like science) are to rigid and too excluding of other types of truths all cultures have their own view and shouldn't be judged on the is no absolute view, every view is relative and pluralistic "You have whats true for you, I have whats true for me. Both views are right, even if they disagree with another." Benefits of this stage: hypersensitivity to imposing values on anybody attention to oppression of anybody (esp. minority) civil rights movements, environmental movement, rights for minorities in religion Problems with this stage (pathologies): postmodernists claim: "All truths are socially constructed. None has universal validity." but postmodern claims, that that is true for all cultures, places, times it claims, that it is universally true, that there are no universal truths (paradox) it believes, that there is no superior view, but that its view is superior to all the alternatives (ignorant) for level Green, THAT is an universal truth (ignorant) What I have to do to transcend: re-accept absolute truths start to see the system of development, that individuals, groups, culture... goes through reshaping my life so that support growths on all lines (cognitive, ethical, aesthetic, spiritual, kinesthetic, logical...) start to see the big picture, meta-theory (like the integral theory) start to see, that stage green is overly idealistic begin to do actual work on consciousness and get direct experiences of truth What is integral (https://youtu.be/H4jcxxJ_0ok?t=1h03m42s): entirely different type of stage (2nd tier), because (in contrast to the previous stages, that see each other as wrong) it sees all the other stages as important part of the process, one has to go through → inclusive, holistic level Spiral Dynamics (stage Yellow) integrated, systemic... individuals are no longer driven by deficiency drives, but abundance drives (Maslow) they are looking for all things integral looking for a spirituality, that deals with a transformation of their own consciousness (paths of waking up)
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Well, this post is from a relative, dualistic point of view.... A creator is rare nowadays. In a way everything is invented already. True creation is the aha-experience, an idea out of the blue. To my knowledge the last real new inventions of the human species were the computer and the discovery of the DNA. And it does not look that soon something major will be invented. In India they also have a weird relation with Brahman, the God of creation. There is only one temple in the entire country dedicated to him. It`s like; `Brahman created everything, now his job is finished`. Makes no sense praying to him.... The preservers are more common in our society. Just think of everything what is called traditional, the status quo, family life, the beaten track and the mentality that comes with it. Being a teenager it`s where you fight against, tear down, break down, revolution. But is logical that without the preserving energy society will collapse. Following the rules will give you prosperity, a decent life and an honest job. In India that`s Vishnu, to many the highest s God., also known as the one who protects you. But a society has to develop, otherwise it will collapse also. That`s where the transformation takes place. And when transforming is not possible there will be destruction, destroying the old patterns. Here the high energy is found, it`s fresh, it`s breathing, it`s promising, it`s new. The transformers take risks, go bankrupt and start again, are creative out of the `Vishnu-energy`. This is Shiva, the rival of Vishnu, also for many the highest God. Delhi and Dallas are Vishnu. Mumbai and NY are Shiva. There is a big difference in energy and culture. So one can say in society there is the eternal battle between Vishnu and Shiva. No room for Brahman anymore. But when one looks at ones own development, actualization and enlightenment, there must be room for all three Gods or aspects. The journey towards the Self is impossible without the creative influence of the Brahman-aspect, the preserving influence of the Vishnu-aspect and the transforming or sometimes even destroying influence of the Shiva-aspect. Would it be possible to say that the balance in our life, our society and the world can only be obtained by giving the Brahman-aspect his right place? In other words, only self realization can do that job?
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The greatest example of being a transformer is storytelling in any medium! Storytelling transforms an idea into concrete reality. For example, creative writing transforms an idea into a written story. Music communicates ideas through sound, passion, and emotions! Film communicates an idea visually! A storyteller acts out the idea on stage and embraces the audience's imagination. Storytelling is the embodiment of transformation!
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Emerald replied to Emerald's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
What is Spacetime or any other place? What is transformation? What is matter? What is past? What is future? Find the now. There are a lot of assumptions in this post. I will debunk them... because I'm arrogant (J/K) but also want to see where it takes me. Transformation- Change- Can there be change? Change denotes movement. Can there be movement? No only the illusion of movement through time. Does time exist? No, only an appearance of time based upon the passing of many present moments. Where is the present moment? I can't find the present moment. There is only a projection of past and a projection of future that are infinitely close together. The present moment exists nowhere. Does the past exist? No, it's only a memory. Does the future exist? No. It's only a fantasy. Where is Spacetime? Is it in the present moment. No, it is only a thought projection about what reality consists of. Where is any place? Place seems to appear within my reality. My reality consists of sights, sounds, sensations, tastes, smells, and thoughts. Place occurs as perceptions that I interpret in this way, only in the present moment. Because the present moment doesn't exist. Place doesn't exist. The current reality exists as a non-point. So, the statement you said could be true. But there is nothing in my present experience that suggests that it is anything else but a projection of the mind. -
Primeval replied to Emerald's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Time is the Transformation of Matter through the Field of Spacetime. It happened, it happens and will continue to happen. All happening right now! -
No, it is a set of techniques to help the person let go of what ever it is she is clinging to or resisting. It's composed of questions that, self-inquiry, help the person in the process of releasing. It's based on the work of Lester Levenson (author of the book: KEYS TO THE ULTIMATE FREEDOM, Thoughts and Talks on Personal Transformation). Kind regards, Chris
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One has to know that gratitude is not only the best but also the easiest habit one can have to be able to change perspective and therefor emotions in every situation. We have the tendency to forget all our inner organs that works without us being aware of, that can lead to powerful mindful meditations in which you take all particular organs and send them your gratitude consciously. Your body and general health benefits directly from the experience of receiving your gratitude. To say I Am grateful for this and that is one thing, to change the feeling of the moment consciously is another thing. Send your gratitude and deeply feel it! This habit can lead to real life transformation by realizing that you are the creator of your emotions, which we usually take as things we can't influence as they seem most of the time that they are happening to us, which is so untrue. In every situation there is something to be grateful for, ain't that something to be grateful for right now?!
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http://www.chenghsin.com/workshop-fall-series.html Peter Ralston has a 4 week retreat this fall. It conists of 4 different workshops: Week 1 Experiencing the Nature of Being Week 2 Pursuing Consciousness through Transformation Week 3 Consciousness Training Camp Final Week Contemplation Intensive It's 4000 USD for the 4 weeks. I have enough money for it and I'm highly considering it. Has anyone here worked with Ralston before, is he the real deal? @Leo Gura you have been to some of his workshops right?
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Once a gentleman came to a doctor complaining that there was something severely wrong with him. He was hurting all over and was very sad but all the tests came out normal. The doctor said, “There is nothing wrong with you. Go to the circus and watch the clown there. He will make you laugh.” The gentleman said, “Doctor, I am that clown.” It is one thing to entertain others and be humorous, but quite another to be happy yourself. Happiness does not come by a talent or skills that you develop. Unless you realize who you are, what the nature of consciousness is through your own introspection, happiness remains a far-fetched reality. The spirit of self enquiry in the true sense which leads to meditation is absolutely essential in this quest for happiness. The 6th century Indian philosopher and thinker Adi Shankaracharya has said that it is dispassion towards the ephemeral and connection with the eternal that brings true joy. In fact, he goes further and asks, ”What joy does detachment not bring?” The word for solitude in Sanskrit is ‘ekant’, meaning ‘the end of loneliness’. Loneliness cannot end by changing company, even if it is more sympathetic and understanding. It can only end when you discover your real nature for yourself. Robin Williams, though he made millions of people laugh, could not end the deep seated loneliness inside him. This shows clearly that only spiritual solace can take you out of despair and misery. External pomp and show, wealth, admiration and adulation are not helpful in dealing with inner discontent. While alive, he made people laugh and in his death, he gave people a message to lift their eyes above the mundane towards something higher. You can bid goodbye to misery by connecting with an altogether different dimension, that I would say is solidified silence, a bolt of bliss and a glimpse of eternity, which is in you as you. You simply have to tap into it. There is little use in having a machine which you cannot operate without a manual. Spiritual knowledge is like the manual for life. Just like to drive a car, we have to learn how to operate the steering wheel, the clutch, the brake and so on, to move towards stability of the mind, we must know the basic principles about our life force energy. This is the whole science of pranayama. When our prana or life force keeps fluctuating, our mind also goes up and down through the roller coaster of emotions. One cannot handle the mind from the level of the mind. It is for this reason that although counseling or psychiatry seems to help in the beginning, it is not able to provide a complete cure in the longer term. Just forcing positive thoughts on oneself is not enough and more often than not leads to a relapse. Medication like anti-depressants also seem to help only in the beginning and eventually make the person dependent on them rather than free him/her from the tendency. This is where knowing the secret of breath can really transform lives. Breathing techniques like Sudarshan Kriya stabilize our life force and consequently the mind. The inner dimension unveiled by the practice of meditation deeply enriches us and its impact slowly spills over to all aspects of life. As prana rises in the body, one starts to feel a transformation as direct experience and not as a forced mental exercise. One starts becoming happier, creative and more in command of their mind and emotions. Another thing that can be really helpful in coming out of depression is developing an attitude of service. Thinking ‘what can I do for society’, getting involved in a bigger cause shifts the whole focus of life and can take one out of the rut of ‘what about me’. Societies where values of service, sacrifice and community participation are ingrained do not have these issues of depression and suicides. The Sikh community is a great example of this. Life is a combination of happiness and pain. Pain is inevitable but suffering is optional.Having a broad perspective on life gives you the strength to move forward through painful times. Know that you are very much needed in this world. With all its infinite possibilities, this life is a gift for it can become a fountain of joy and happiness not just for oneself but for many others as well.
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It's been a few days but, wow, I've had some POWERFUL and life-changing experiences. My perspective on the world has begun to completely transform. I'm going to have to re-read/listen to a variety of personal development content because I just see things so differently now. I am only through about 2/3rds of the "core concepts" but I believe I have already found my "bliss". It came to me spontaneously one night while lying in bed reflecting on a very unsatisfying and, somewhat unpleasant, conversation with my girlfriend. I was talking to her about some of thoughts related to enlightenment and described this conflict I was having between my "inner demons" which were pushing me to pursue that which would manifest material wealth instead of pursuing enlightenment. Throughout our "conversation" she just sat and stared at me blankly, offering nothing. I had solicited for feedback from her a few times but it was all very cold and forced. This bothered me. A lot. As I was lying in bed I was reflecting on a variety of things related to this experience and why this bothered me so much. But, it just sort of hit me "it bothers me because deep conversations are my thing. Oh, deep conversations are my thing!" The language used to describe this isn't very powerful but it was a moving experience. Deep conversations are something that many people enjoy but I have always sought out friends and strangers alike to better understand what their life-experience is like. A genuine curiosity. Throughout this process I have raised my awareness and become conscious of this. Other people have also recognized this in me as well. I still want to keep my mind open to other possibilities but if nothing else, this has been a great experience for how I could find other purposes should this one not pan out to be as practically applicable. The conversation around enlightenment was triggered by Leo's most recent video about enlightenment and had an enormous impact on me. I was already suppressing the belief that I should be pursuing enlightenment and he pretty much said "you're a fucking idiot if you're not pursuing enlightenment". For a while I was conflicted about how that would fit in with my life purpose but, I realized "Enlightenment wouldn't get in the way of my passion, it would supercharge it". The depth of compassion and rapport that I would be able to develop in conjunction with my natural analytical abilities, ect.. How I've Consumed the Course's Material The method that I have developed has been very effective in saturating my mind with these concepts and I think it has facilitated this transformation. The videos for this course are not downloadable or accessible offline in any way and initially I thought that was kind of annoying but I recognized that this is actually a hidden gift. Here is what I do: First time through, I watch the video seated at my desk, free of distractions. I take notes via a digital notepad and review the notes at the end of the video. I have only skipped notes on a few of the videos as they covered concepts presented in books that I had already read and was very familiar with. Throughout my day I will re-listen to the videos that were particularly interesting/valuable while doing other activities (driving, doing chores around the house, ect..) to make sure that I fully understand the concepts presented. I also have friend at work and my girlfriend who are interested in some of these concepts so, where possible, I teach them about the ideas presented and their application. This way, I have to understand the concepts completely and fully so that I can explain them and answer questions about them. As Leo has mentioned in some of his earlier videos, you need to work the course harder than it is working you. Your results will be proportional to the amount of energy you invest in the program. If you actually want to change your life, it is going to take a lot of work. That's why nobody does it!
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Monika i was looking at the number of topics already on the forum, 13 pages i think, and looking at the titles of those topics tell a lot about forum members and where they are. Monika, solutions only work for those who first can hear the solution without their programing and false belief system shutting it down, most people hear according to what they believe, their belief limits their hearing, Most will not go against their belief system to implement change. Most already think they are more awake than they are. Just reading other peoples text will tell you where they are by the questions and remarks that they make. Once awakened the self realized not only know themselves but know all others as well. To a self realized being, the lives of others is an open book, seen at a glance. There is only a very small percentage of people who will ever take a real solution seriously doesn't matter that it is coming from a person who has walked the path ahead of them. There are so many newage theories and philosophies today there is nothing but mass confusion. I have been involved in two or three chat rooms on the internet for a number of years, talking about consciousness, personal growth, liberation from the insanity of the human condition and generally instead of taking you seriously, most who are running on programing and belief are just waiting to give you their opinion and instead of trying to understand the real solution that you are giving, they say well that is your belief or that is your opinion, they don't even realize that all they have is belief and opinion trying to talk to real life experience. The reality is that only a handful of the people in your lifetime will awaken to the reality of life and who and what they are, most of it will be rationalized, intellectualized, and many will actually believe they are awake, in reality they have no idea what awake means, have no idea of the transformation that happens to a person when they awaken and become self realized. Honestly most of it has become nothing more than a social forum with people expressing their opinions on things they know nothing about. I know this may sound harsh to you and many others but once awakened you can no longer accept the nonsense and you cannot help people by giving them more nonsense, and when you give reality you get accused of being to harsh or talking over the heads of other people. I am not trying to discourage you, go for your solution forum, and when you do observe everything, the questions asked, the answers given, look for living experience and not opinions and belief, observe the difference. The living experience of a human functioning as the fictitious identity that they have created, and the living experience of a human who has made the transition from the human being to the being of consciousness that we really are, are a world apart, but then they tell us there are many levels to all of this, that there are many paths, and journeys which never seem to have a real destination or expectation of arrival at a destination but leaves everyone with an excuse for where they are, and this is normal behavior in a world of human beings with fictitious identities. I realize that all things change moment by moment and that consciousness is in a process of evolution, I also know that when reality sets in the illusions and dreams dissolve and everything changes because you are no longer a human being but a being of consciousness that observes life and functions from that space of being. Having said all that, good luck with your proposal and your own personal growth.
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That`s hard... Just some words of my Guru; Once a gentleman came to a doctor complaining that there was something severely wrong with him. He was hurting all over and was very sad but all the tests came out normal. The doctor said, “There is nothing wrong with you. Go to the circus and watch the clown there. He will make you laugh.” The gentleman said, “Doctor, I am that clown.” It is one thing to entertain others and be humorous, but quite another to be happy yourself. Happiness does not come by a talent or skills that you develop. Unless you realize who you are, what the nature of consciousness is through your own introspection, happiness remains a far-fetched reality. The spirit of self enquiry in the true sense which leads to meditation is absolutely essential in this quest for happiness. The 6th century Indian philosopher and thinker Adi Shankaracharya has said that it is dispassion towards the ephemeral and connection with the eternal that brings true joy. In fact, he goes further and asks, ”What joy does detachment not bring?” The word for solitude in Sanskrit is ‘ekant’, meaning ‘the end of loneliness’. Loneliness cannot end by changing company, even if it is more sympathetic and understanding. It can only end when you discover your real nature for yourself. Robin Williams, though he made millions of people laugh, could not end the deep seated loneliness inside him. This shows clearly that only spiritual solace can take you out of despair and misery. External pomp and show, wealth, admiration and adulation are not helpful in dealing with inner discontent. While alive, he made people laugh and in his death, he gave people a message to lift their eyes above the mundane towards something higher. You can bid goodbye to misery by connecting with an altogether different dimension, that I would say is solidified silence, a bolt of bliss and a glimpse of eternity, which is in you as you. You simply have to tap into it. There is little use in having a machine which you cannot operate without a manual. Spiritual knowledge is like the manual for life. Just like to drive a car, we have to learn how to operate the steering wheel, the clutch, the brake and so on, to move towards stability of the mind, we must know the basic principles about our life force energy. This is the whole science of pranayama. When our prana or life force keeps fluctuating, our mind also goes up and down through the roller coaster of emotions. One cannot handle the mind from the level of the mind. It is for this reason that although counseling or psychiatry seems to help in the beginning, it is not able to provide a complete cure in the longer term. Just forcing positive thoughts on oneself is not enough and more often than not leads to a relapse. Medication like anti-depressants also seem to help only in the beginning and eventually make the person dependent on them rather than free him/her from the tendency. This is where knowing the secret of breath can really transform lives. Breathing techniques like Sudarshan Kriya stabilize our life force and consequently the mind. The inner dimension unveiled by the practice of meditation deeply enriches us and its impact slowly spills over to all aspects of life. As prana rises in the body, one starts to feel a transformation as direct experience and not as a forced mental exercise. One starts becoming happier, creative and more in command of their mind and emotions. Another thing that can be really helpful in coming out of depression is developing an attitude of service. Thinking ‘what can I do for society’, getting involved in a bigger cause shifts the whole focus of life and can take one out of the rut of ‘what about me’. Societies where values of service, sacrifice and community participation are ingrained do not have these issues of depression and suicides. The Sikh community is a great example of this. Life is a combination of happiness and pain. Pain is inevitable but suffering is optional.Having a broad perspective on life gives you the strength to move forward through painful times. Know that you are very much needed in this world. With all its infinite possibilities, this life is a gift for it can become a fountain of joy and happiness not just for oneself but for many others as well.
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The idea of faith came to my mind while at gym, exhausted at the moment and decided to go few reps further. The will power at that moment is so concentrated just at one thing, to accomplish it. I felt so powerful. It lead me to think, what is that power? I wonder, it is the faith. Where faith come from? what faith actually is? I questioned, i believe, faith is inherited from the mother, the sufferings and determination at the point of giving birth. Your survival was built upon the mother's willpower. That's also a transformation of the mother's life. It is the source of true power. Make sense?
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jjer94 replied to Emerald's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Ralston actually talks a bit about this in his book Pursuing Consciousness. He calls self-realization as "having enlightenment experiences" and self-negation as "transformation". Basically, he says that enlightenment experiences can help speed the process of transformation, but they are not a substitute for transformation. I agree for the most part. You may realize Truth in a flash, but your entire self-structure full of neuroses and hidden beliefs will likely still be intact afterwards. His bottom-line contemplation is an excellent tool for chipping away at that self-structure (that one's in The Book of Not Knowing). Also, writing/journaling can be used to uncover your psychological hang-ups. Even during meditation you can sometimes become aware of self-agendas. I'm sure you'll be able to find at least one technique out there that fits your preferences! -
werlight replied to JevinR's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Nomad @JevinR @Leo Gura Yes. Our purpose in life is to remember and experience who we are. That is the purpose of expression, of form, of creation. It is our ultimate gift of love. To remember and experience the beauty that we ARE. It is so powerful that it generates an internal transformation that inevitably changes the way we perceive ourselves as well as the way we perceive the people and the world around us. It is an extremely beautiful process. Enlightenment is meant to be experienced by EVERYONE, not only a few luck or special people. Humanity is finally starting to look inside instead of outside to find the truth. This is why enlightenment is accelerating. More and more people are looking inside and discovering the beauty that they ARE. This is why your question becomes very relevant and very important. There is a lot of confusion out there about what enlightenment IS and the impact it has in your life. One misunderstanding comes from the fact that most of the enlightened people we know and read about have (or are) dedicating their lives to teach others. Which is great. The problem is that now when we hear about an enlightened person we immediately assume he/she has to be a teacher. This is not necessarily true. The world needs enlightened teachers, but also enlightened fathers, mothers, executives, politicians, workers etc.. The world needs love, compassion, understanding and peace. Every single one of us needs to find this inside ourselves if we want to see this in the world. The reason is very simple. What we see outside is a reflection of what we have inside. I have to run now.. but I will be here and continue to answer any questions that come up. I'm only here to help. -
werlight replied to Anton Rogachevski's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@cetus56 @Emerald Wilkins in these (mini) experiences you get brief glimpses of this extended reality and yes they are VERY beautiful. @AngeArthur I think these experiences are important because they spark your curiosity, you realize there is something more to yourself and to reality. They are kind of a reminder and an invitation to look inside ! Every enlightenment is probably a bit diferent it depends on your life situation and past experience. During enlightenment what happens is that you experience (sort of become) your essential true nature. That side of you that shined a bit of light during these (mini) experiences reveals itself completly. you become IT. The level or joy and love you experience is off the charts. You kind of melt in loving tenderness and light surounds you completly. You feel as if you are becoming pure light. Its as if every cell in your body cryies in Joy and you feel deeply deeply loved and blessed. The Enlightenment experience triggers an internal transformation that can last months or probably even years. I would divide it in several fases. First fase: Is the deep deep sense of happines, completness and grace. This lasts months. Your vibration alignes with Love and compassion. That is how you vibrate all day. Second Fase: Deep emotional healing and liberation. You sort of face your past demons and all your past emotional baggage is washed out of your system. Past emotions simply cant stay inside you any longer. This is not an easy process. It is painful to face your past emotions. Fase 2 happens during fase 1. Fase 3. Remembering. You get tremendouse insights about life, humanity, the universe, nature of reality, creation etc.. In other words, you remember the original plan. The reason for everything. But its more remembering than learning. Fase 3 also happens during fase 1. Fase 4. Deepening of compasion and increase in empathy. It almost like you can read the emotional state of people. Feel tremendouse love. Fase 4 also happens during fase 1. Fase 5 Finding Balance. You start to realize that you are not meant to vibrate only like love and grace all the time. You are human also. You accept your humanity again but this time you love it and accept it completly. You kind of integrate everything. You still keep an underlying feeling of gratitude and grace that never leaves you. etc .. This is just a quick summary. Its important to understand that enlightenment is and experience but it is also a process. -
Leo also mentioned that different aspects of your life will be at different stages related to each other, so you could be more advanced in some things while underdeveloped in others, which is ok. There are also overlaps of stages, so the whole system gets quite complicated. Take the course, if you're ready for it - it could be a solution to a transformation dilemma for that particular aspect.
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Green has already done the work. Their focus has shifted from "I" to "We" and now use their personal transformation resources for social transformation from the bureaucratic model of protecting the institution at the expense of the individual needs of the human being, to reorganising the institution to protect the individual needs of the human being. If you are still focused on personal transformation then you are not at the green stage.
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You are absolutely right thank you. Even befor I made a big transformation I allways had this pride and high self asteem even if I wasn't confident.
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werlight replied to Khin's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
For me enlightenment is experiencing who you really are. In essence. You become pure light and pure love. It is also the transformation process that comes after. Nirvana or paradise is the bliss, the ecstasy, the state of mind, the realization and the peace that you get and stays with you every single day of your life after enlightenment. -
I feel you!! I can't stress how awesome this is. I am working with coaches and NLP trainers on my working hours. Having coaches or/and an NLP trainers as a coworkers with whom you spend 8h a day is priceless! I've never experienced so much transformation in such a short period of time!! You answered your own question, Indeed. How does working on something take you to fantasy land? I would strongly disagree. Perhaps you meant to say something else?
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Following are words of UG. 1.To be yourself is the easiest thing. And you don't want to be in your state. You'd rather be somebody else, imitate the life of somebody else. That's your problem. To be yourself doesn't need any time at all. But you talk of timelessness, which is a mockery. To be yourself, do you need time? To be a good man, to be a marvelously religious man, to be in a state of peace, to be in a state bliss, naturally you need time. That will always be tomorrow. When tomorrow arrives, you say, "All right, day after tomorrow." That is time. [I am] Not [talking about] this metaphysical or philosophical thing. I am not talking about metaphysical time and timeless. There is no such thing as the timeless. 2.What takes you away from your state is this movement in the direction of wanting to be in some state other than yourself. To be yourself doesn't need time. If I am a village idiot, I remain a village idiot. Finish. I don't want to be an intelligent man. Even if my neighbor takes advantage of his extraordinary intelligence and exploits [me], good luck. What can I do? To accept the reality, this is the reality of the world. There is no other world. There is no other reality, ultimate reality. This is the only reality. You have to function in this world. You can't run away from this world. How can you run away from this world? Because you are that world. Where you can you go? Hide yourself in a cave? Yes, you are taking your thoughts wherever you go. You cannot run away from your shadow. It's there all the time. So, you can't do a thing about thought. That's all that I am saying. When you realize the absurdity of all your effort to do something about the thought -- it's creating the problem; it's misery for you; you can't do anything -- when you can't do anything, when you realize that you can't do a thing about it, it's not there. You are not using it [thought] as a means to get something for you. 3.I want to say this again. You desire. If you do not want anything, there is no thought at all. You understand? Wanting is thinking, it doesn't matter what you want -- want self-realization, want God-realization -- you want anything, that means you have to use this instrument. These are not your thoughts, these are not your feelings. You may not like it. They belong to somebody else. You want to make them your own. You have unfortunately made them your own. That's why you ask all these questions. Why do you ask all these questions? These questions have been put before to so many people -- all the sages, saints and saviors of mankind, the holy men dead and alive. They are all ready to answer. They have composed a lot of lullabies. You go and listen to them and go to sleep, if you want to. That's what you are interested in. You want somebody else to pat on your back and say, "Oh, fine, just fine, you are doing very well. Do more and more of the same and you will reach the destination you want to arrive at." 4.You want comfort. You want affection from the person you are living with. You want this, that and the other. But what you want to get -- the GET of all the 'gets' -- you are not going to. That [what you want to get] is in relationship with your enlightenment, your freedom, transformation and all that kind of thing. There is nothing to get from me or from anybody. You want to be at peace with yourself. You will not get anything from anybody. All this is disturbing the peace that is already there. Your idea of peace is altogether different. 5.Because there is a constant demand on your part to experience everything that you look at, everything that you are feeling inside. If you don't do that, 'you' as you know yourself and as you experience yourself is coming to an end. That is a frightening thing. You don't want to come to an end; you want continuity. All the spiritual pursuits are in the direction of strengthening that continuity. So, all your experiences, all your meditations, all your sadhana -- all that you do is strengthening the 'self'. They are selfcentered activities. Whatever you do to be free from the 'self' is also a selfcentered activity. The process you adopt to attain what you call 'being' is also a 'becoming' process. So, there is no such thing as 'being'. Anything you do -any movement, in any direction, on any level -- is a becoming process.