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@Vipassana Why don’t you analyze the situation of farmers and working class people in India or the rape that recently happened or the countless times human rights are being violated by the government? Bollywood actor’s suicide < billions of poor people.

ignoring the various dogmas in the video I thought this poem was very motivational and made a lot of sense. I’ve been thinking a lot on ego development and realized that it may be possible to skip multiple stages simply by being in solitude as our egos develop relative to the world. for my own personal experience I skipped a couple stages due to a very strong existential Crisis that brought me to suicide. So I know it’s possible for others.( but hopefully in a less painful way) although if you skip stages it may take you sometime to reorient yourself. I know for myself I spent a very long time regressing and coming back simply because I didn’t know what to think of my new differences within my consciousness. It also isn’t helpful when our society is not very supportive of these higher strategist, and, Construct and, unitive stages. You can begin to doubt and question yourself, and even begin to think you’re simply arrogant or crazy as you try to express things to others in your life. You want to communicate with them like you did before on the same level but you realize overtime there is a profound disconnect that doesn’t allow certain truths to be discussed. So it can take some time to even realize this. I know for myself I just thought it was a matter of explanation or maybe I myself was missing something, and as a result old defense mechanisms would come up, ego backlash from the stress of the disconnect, and loneness. Taking the leap from pluralist to strategist and onward can be very difficult while holding together relationships. It’s not to say that it can’t be done, but taking some time in solitude is probably valuable as you take the leap.

@Preety_India great analysis of the indian familial demographics. I don't have any objections about what you mentioned about the cultural because but I am living through it. I have invested some time and my family has invested alot of time analyzing the events that occured before, during and after the supposed suicide & now seeing how the mumbai police responded to it. This is the shame with labeling everything a conspiracy, the Truth can be turned upside down.. even if its just a kernel. I think the Truth will come out. Bollywood gundas have gotten away with alot of shit & people are tired of it. As far as what you said, that was quite a bit of projection but I cant prove you wrong. There is no way I can put together months of analysis in a single thread.

You need to understand a lot of things about Indian society. Indian society has a lot of toxic masculinity in it. Boys aren't raised properly or in a healthy way. They are raised as cash cows. Parents only care about how much money he will bring into the family. The father does not care about the son's issues. The mother is never allowed to speak her opinion so she simply obeys the father With Sush, he is the prime example of toxic masculinity. He was suffering from deep psychological issues that were inherited from his mother because she had similar issues and she died a similar way. Now Sush already suffered from the trauma of the mothers loss. But he was suffering as well. Most mental health patients don't suddenly commit suicide in their 20s, it takes time for them to reach the breaking point. It usually happens in mid 30s or mid 40s..that's when the mid life crisis hits and people with psychological issues can't deal with stress unlike normal people. Now in his case, his symptoms were getting worse and worse with time. His family is acting supportive because he is dead. But there was nobody with him at the time of his death. His medicines were not even delivered by his family but by a private agent. He relied on his girlfriend for support but she knew that his symptoms are gradually spiralling out of control.. She took him to a good doctor but his family still did nothing for him. His girlfriend was the only one who took him for hospital visits. His family is hiding all this because they don't want to look guilty. They want someone to blame to feel better. And Indians are too scared to talk about their own family. Sush had lot of money so even if he donated a huge sum, that wouldn't be a cause of his suicide. He was very generous with money. His main concern was his mental issues.. He knew that with such issues he can't continue working for long. Now because society is such a way that men are not allowed to cry. They are considered weak if they cry, this was the main problem with Sush. He as a man was not allowed to feel weak. He did not tell anyone about his issues out of shame and guilt. He did not have the confidence to seek help or tell people that he was anxious or depressed because people would call him a weak man and as a movie star he would lose his position if he appeared depressed, so he had to always put on a show that he was happy even if his symptoms were getting worse. With the doctor's treatment his issues were slightly improved for some time, but mental health issues are such, that symptoms are controlled only for some time and they tend to reappear. It's very hard to beat and being a public figure makes it tougher to get privacy and people with such issues need a ton of privacy, now in Indian society there is a huge stigma and shame for mental illness, combined with toxic masculinity where a man is not allowed to express weakness, this is double shame, plus the family always wants the son to keep making money and the pressure for success is very high in Indian families, so the boys don't want to disappoint the families, so triple shame. Now being a celebrity means he is supposed to be happy all the time, so a lot of public pressure and no peace of mind. And the fear of losing career if he tells his problems openly. And in India, the mental health resources are close to zero, you hardly find a good doctor and going to such a doctor is considered a very shameful thing because it's like the person has a huge problem, when in reality it can be easily resolved with good treatment. So he was trapped from all sides by a high pressure Indian family structure and the pressure from the industry, and the third class social mentality of shaming men for their weaknesses and bullying mentality of Indian society, bullying men for their failure, even an average Indian guy feels like a failure in life if he is not able to earn enough, he will be bullied by the father to get successful in life Compounded by all these social and medical factors (poor health resources, no doctors, Unempathetic attitude to mental issues) there is the suicide of Disha that happened right one week before his. That caused him massive anxiety. And you know how the Indian system is. The police will not do the work properly and pin the blame on someone, there is no democratic process or lawful process, they will simply find some scapegoat to blame and arrest and close the case immediately. There is mentality to find someone to blame for anything instead of taking collective social responsibility because that means hard work that the government people don't want to do. Sush felt very insecure and scared that he will be blamed for her suicide which is natural in Indian society. His own suicide is being blamed on others. He had do much anxiety over her death that he was constantly Google searching every news article on her for the whole week. He was already suffering from issues and now his anxiety went through the roof. He was ordering the medicine from his agent secretly, he became frustrated and committed suicide. Now the family didn't care what his issues were, neither in life, nor in death, they wanted no responsibility, they wanted to act like they were grieving his death and his loss meant a big loss financially to them so they wanted to blame someone and make it look like murder. That way they don't have to feel guilty for not supporting him. This is the story and not the story fed by media. The media is presstitute. They want trp and money out of his story so they make a big drama out of it but nobody wants to give peace to his soul. He was a victim of ruthless Indian society that only cares for success and wealth and toxic orange. But looks at anything outside this box as loser or failure. You don't understand it because you're not looking at the bigger picture. The only way to bring peace to his soul is to stop Indian fathers from shaming or pressuring the sons, reducing the toxic orange mentality, removing the shame associated with depression and other issues, getting better medical support for people without shame, making parents aware of their own health issues that can pass to children, giving proper resources to men to feel stronger mentally so they don't break down, not giving them pressure for success understanding men's heath issues and resolving men's issues, not treating the man like a cash cow, helping men to integrate the Feminine, some Indian families don't even allow the guy to date because they want to control his life or hold back his income, and the men are not allowed to join sports as a child, because sports is important for mental health, but the family wants him as a cash cow, so they tell the guy to only study and become a nerd, don't give him resources to become a full man, understanding male needs and issues and then helping them to become stronger in life so they can face real life situations which is not done by Indian families, also accepting male weakness rather than shaming it at the same time giving him resources to become strong, men should be allowed to play and work at young age to become independent, men like to work because it gives them a sense of importance and pride. But the indian system doesn't allow him to be independent, they don't allow him to have his own house, he is kept attached to the family like a little boy, so he does not grow mentally, he is always dependent on parents for everything, unable to face life on his own, this makes him mentally weak, because he is always sheltered by the father and controlled by the father, and even the mother, and so the boy's mental growth is not proper so even if a little bad thing happens in their life, a small setback and they commit suicide because they are not prepared by the families to face ups and downs of life.. It's a social structure designed around wealth and toxic orange success and this is the reason why such men finally commit suicide

@Vipassana You need to understand a lot of things about Indian society. Indian society has a lot of toxic masculinity in it. Boys aren't raised properly or in a healthy way. They are raised as cash cows. Parents only care about how much money he will bring into the family. The father does not care about the son's issues. The mother is never allowed to speak her opinion so she simply obeys the father With Sush, he is the prime example of toxic masculinity. He was suffering from deep psychological issues that were inherited from his mother because she had similar issues and she died a similar way. Now Sush already suffered from the trauma of the mothers loss. But he was suffering as well. Most mental health patients don't suddenly commit suicide in their 20s, it takes time for them to reach the breaking point. It usually happens in mid 30s or mid 40s..that's when the mid life crisis hits and people with psychological issues can't deal with stress unlike normal people. Now in his case, his symptoms were getting worse and worse with time. His family is acting supportive because he is dead. But there was nobody with him at the time of his death. His medicines were not even delivered by his family but by a private agent. He relied on his girlfriend for support but she knew that his symptoms are gradually spiralling out of control.. She took him to a good doctor but his family still did nothing for him. His girlfriend was the only one who took him for hospital visits. His family is hiding all this because they don't want to look guilty. They want someone to blame to feel better. And Indians are too scared to talk about their own family. Sush had lot of money so even if he donated a huge sum, that wouldn't be a cause of his suicide. He was very generous with money. His main concern was his mental issues.. He knew that with such issues he can't continue working for long. Now because society is such a way that men are not allowed to cry. They are considered weak if they cry, this was the main problem with Sush. He as a man was not allowed to feel weak. He did not tell anyone about his issues out of shame and guilt. He did not have the confidence to seek help or tell people that he was anxious or depressed because people would call him a weak man and as a movie star he would lose his position if he appeared depressed, so he had to always put on a show that he was happy even if his symptoms were getting worse. With the doctor's treatment his issues were slightly improved for some time, but mental health issues are such, that symptoms are controlled only for some time and they tend to reappear. It's very hard to beat and being a public figure makes it tougher to get privacy and people with such issues need a ton of privacy, now in Indian society there is a huge stigma and shame for mental illness, combined with toxic masculinity where a man is not allowed to express weakness, this is double shame, plus the family always wants the son to keep making money and the pressure for success is very high in Indian families, so the boys don't want to disappoint the families, so triple shame. Now being a celebrity means he is supposed to be happy all the time, so a lot of public pressure and no peace of mind. And the fear of losing career if he tells his problems openly. And in India, the mental health resources are close to zero, you hardly find a good doctor and going to such a doctor is considered a very shameful thing because it's like the person has a huge problem, when in reality it can be easily resolved with good treatment. So he was trapped from all sides by a high pressure Indian family structure and the pressure from the industry, and the third class social mentality of shaming men for their weaknesses and bullying mentality of Indian society, bullying men for their failure, even an average Indian guy feels like a failure in life if he is not able to earn enough, he will be bullied by the father to get successful in life Compounded by all these social and medical factors (poor health resources, no doctors, Unempathetic attitude to mental issues) there is the suicide of Disha that happened right one week before his. That caused him massive anxiety. And you know how the Indian system is. The police will not do the work properly and pin the blame on someone, there is no democratic process or lawful process, they will simply find some scapegoat to blame and arrest and close the case immediately. There is mentality to find someone to blame for anything instead of taking collective social responsibility because that means hard work that the government people don't want to do. Sush felt very insecure and scared that he will be blamed for her suicide which is natural in Indian society. His own suicide is being blamed on others. He had do much anxiety over her death that he was constantly Google searching every news article on her for the whole week. He was already suffering from issues and now his anxiety went through the roof. He was ordering the medicine from his agent secretly, he became frustrated and committed suicide. Now the family didn't care what his issues were, neither in life, nor in death, they wanted no responsibility, they wanted to act like they were grieving his death and his loss meant a big loss financially to them so they wanted to blame someone and make it look like murder. That way they don't have to feel guilty for not supporting him. This is the story and not the story fed by media. The media is presstitute. They want trp and money out of his story so they make a big drama out of it but nobody wants to give peace to his soul. He was a victim of ruthless Indian society that only cares for success and wealth and toxic orange. But looks at anything outside this box as loser or failure. You don't understand it because you're not looking at the bigger picture. The only way to bring peace to his soul is to stop Indian fathers from shaming or pressuring the sons, reducing the toxic orange mentality, removing the shame associated with depression and other issues, getting better medical support for people without shame, making parents aware of their own health issues that can pass to children, giving proper resources to men to feel stronger mentally so they don't break down, not giving them pressure for success understanding men's heath issues and resolving men's issues, not treating the man like a cash cow, helping men to integrate the Feminine, some Indian families don't even allow the guy to date because they want to control his life or hold back his income, and the men are not allowed to join sports as a child, because sports is important for mental health, but the family wants him as a cash cow, so they tell the guy to only study and become a nerd, don't give him resources to become a full man, understanding male needs and issues and then helping them to become stronger in life so they can face real life situations which is not done by Indian families, also accepting male weakness rather than shaming it at the same time giving him resources to become strong, men should be allowed to play and work at young age to become independent, men like to work because it gives them a sense of importance and pride. But the indian system doesn't allow him to be independent, they don't allow him to have his own house, he is kept attached to the family like a little boy, so he does not grow mentally, he is always dependent on parents for everything, unable to face life on his own, this makes him mentally weak, because he is always sheltered by the father and controlled by the father, and even the mother, and so the boy's mental growth is not proper so even if a little bad thing happens in their life, a small setback and they commit suicide because they are not prepared by the families to face ups and downs of life.. It's a social structure designed around wealth and toxic orange success and this is the reason why such men finally commit suicide

@Preety_India @Akemrelax @ajai Kali Yuga ?‍♂️ Ill shut up now ? everything I said was from a point of privilege of not being in India amongst the midst of devilry. I value Indian culture & radical leftism in India is becoming hyper irrational in my opinion. Maybe I need to study the politics of my own country before thinking about politics of the neibhoring country. From what I've innerstood, its alot corrupt in Nepal. SSR was a self actualizing individual & with very little intellectual effort, you can clearly see that it wasn't a suicide. I shall now retract from this thread and repent for my ignorance.

@Vipassana sushant did commit suicide. And Modi is not needed in India. He is a joke. Because of him, I can't say he is joke on Twitter. That sums it up.

That whole thing is a red herring to distract the masses from actual problems like poverty, rapes, farmer ordinance ,etc. That is like the best example of a silly conspiracy theory. Lol Whether it was a suicide or not will be determined after the investigation is done, but there is no need for silly speculations, especially be the media houses. Modi is a fascist.

@Preety_India Are u not aware of whats going on with Sushant Singh Rajputs murder case in India? One would be a complete a complete fool to believe that it was actually a suicide. Politics is dirty buisness especially when it is predicated upon hierarchy & these people have 101 tricks up their sleeves to fabricate the Truth. This case will lead to mass civil unrest in India if the Truth doesn't come out about these rats. Shout outs to my mans Modhi.

I inhabit this meat suit, temporarily. I was out of body so many times. Misery and psychological pain can also make the soul want to leave, but i always come back, because i leave the body intact, one day the body will rot, the spirit will fly away I have contemplated suicide hundreds of times, I dont see a point in this hell anymore. The God I am probably got bored, decided to go through hell idk. But i am tired of this game, there is no love here, no purpose nothing. I know what I am i don't care even if i die tomorrow. I was offered death on a pedestal, yet when my soul flew away it remembered it's identification oww I remember a human life and i came back... Dammit It is why i reply to this topic, i feel the same way as the author. But knowing i can't really die... killing myself is also pointless.

I feel ya, man. I've always had issues socially too. Big reason I do enlightenment work. When my core is rock solid I can 'fart' in a social setting and everyone thinks it's cute. God forbid I ever go through a valley though. Social suicide.

This is about the fact that you aren't the body... You could be a soul that came here to experience this and on the absolute level it is certain you are god experiencing yourself... So you might feel bad after dying..especially knowing you can't really die and you just threw away a body you inhabited for no reason... You might also remember why you came here. Then you might come back in a similiar situation. I have also thought about suicide, but finding god, going out of body etc I understood the consciousness that is the real me can't die. So for real think about it. What if your consciousness is immortal?

https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3zynw/twitter-says-you-cannot-tweet-that-you-hope-trump-dies-from-covid I was going to post this in the Trump COVID thread but I felt it was important enough to highlight it in a new thread. This is good news IMO. It shows that social media companies are waking up to the impact they have on people's behaviours and are taking that responsibility more seriously. I feel like we could finally be learning the lessons of toxic unrestricted internet sites that lead to people committing suicide, ending political careers, getting authoritarians put into power, etc. and are putting rules in place to make the internet more conscious, healthy and useful.

The bipolar guy probably did not come across as needy. Funny, a lot of people with mental illnesses are very attractive. Do that meditation that I told you about where you think about her for ten minutes a day, including half that about having sex with her. This will allow for your inner child to indulge and allow gut you to emotionally detach. The thing with the suicide hotline is that those people are usually socially awkward and can’t even help. Well, now is the time for a deep dive! Get to know who you are. Create a living, healing relationship...with yourself.

I am in a very bad emotionall state right now, maybe the worst i have had in my life. I am restless and cannot sit still. I have OCD and suicidel thoughts are in abundance these couple of months and especially this current week. I think that i am going crazy and started take some pills to dull my mind, they are without a prescription so i guess they are not something serios. I dont want to kill myself because i am very attached to my friends and people i know and also where would i go? I think that i will end up back here so what is the point of suicide. I dont know what to do every day for me is a challenge.. I JUST WANT TO BE NORMAL....

It was definitely not unexpected but stubbornly I wanted to work it out. This is a girl with many options so I'm easily replaceable. Her ex was bipolar so I was thinking if a bipolar guy can attract, why can't I? Anyway, I notice I'm over-analysing. I should just accept with didn't match and move on but emotionally I can't. Life is really getting unbearable at this moment and I called the suicide prevention phone number. Not that I was seriously contemplating it but I really needed to talk to somebody. I understand that I have to go inward. I'm still wallowing in my misery at this moment. Perhaps I should push myself to finish taking notes from this topic and get to work. Until this point I only did inquiry and contemplation to foster communication between my various shadow parts.

https://www.near-death.com/experiences/suicide/will-i-go-to-hell.html

@INIT I am glad that you are still here to reply to us. From what you are saying it seems like your existence by itself is an unpleasant thing, why do you think that? You say that you have no idea what you are or what anyone else is, but you also say that if you would've committed suicide your body would not be there. Does that mean you would not be there also, or does that just mean that the body would not be there? Is that body yours, is it you, or what is that body? Maybe you wouldn't be insane for not knowing who you are, who is there to judge? The others that you also do not know who the hell they are? You say that 'if this is not insane, I have no idea what is'. So does that mean this is a limited concept and outside of the concept 'this', there are also concepts that are not insane? Or are all concepts insane? Could you live without concepts, could there just be no concepts? For there to be a concept of 'I', there does not have to be an actual 'I'. There can be a concept of a monster under the bed without there being a monster under the bed. But the concepts can make you turn off the lights and sprint to bed asap. What makes 'you' different from the 'monster under the bed' idea? Again, who is there to judge? You are talking as if 'you being' was a bad thing. Maybe you cannot unsee that, maybe you can, have you tried? When people call you crazy, does that immediately suggest that they cannot relate? Have you actually gave them the chance to relate in the first place? In order for someone to relate to someone else, there has to be a certain someone, right, and someone else to relate to. But what if there could be a believed thought of a 'false I' and overlooked 'true I', whatever that is, what would that mean? Would that for example bring up the possibility that someone could act as if they were not themselves and then if someone wanted to relate to them, they would just be missing the target by relating to the false I of the other person? Do you think it is possible that this is what is happening? You really don't need to understand anything, it's a matter of choice. One does not have to seek understanding if they don't want to.

Two years ago I contemplated suicide. Today I'm the most grounded, joyful and "alive" I've ever felt. I look back now on that time of immense darkness with nothing but love, for it created who I am today. Keep the faith, @Leilani. I know it doesn't feel like it right now, but one day you'll look back and see that what you're going through is all a gift in disguise. Remember that the universe works in mysterious ways. Thanks for sharing your heart. Love you.

NO! There is nothing loving about killing oneself. Do not romanticize suicide. I do feel compassion for those who take their own lives away -- because it means that the pain was so intense that the person could not put up with it anymore. It is a tragedy. Seek help! Feel free to PM me if you feel like talking. How can you be so sure about that?!

What an opportunity for you right now! I too was at the lowest low before I had my first awakening. Also with what I labelled a “terrible childhood” where I was sexually abused. I was thinking about suicide quite seriously even looking up ways to do it. I was 43yrs old. Byron Katie and Eckhart Tolle also woke up whilst suicidal - Tolle at 29yrs and Katie at 43yrs. Theirs was instant enlightenment though. Their words and books have brought me out of another low this year and I share some of their words. “I discovered that when I believed my thoughts I suffered, but when I didn’t believe them I didn’t suffer and that this is true for every human being. Freedom is as simple as that. I found that suffering is optional.” Byron Katie “Life isn’t as serious as the mind makes it out to be.” Eckhart Tolle To realize that you are not your thoughts is when you begin to awaken spiritually. Eckhart Tolle Death is not the end of suffering if we die suffering. At the end of the day it doesn’t matter if you end this life or not. You’ll continue to come back until you fully wake up. Which will happen. It’s just whether it happens in this life time or not. I am editing this to add an answer to your actual question and the answer being that there is no loving way to end your life. Love would see you asking for help and receiving it. Even screaming out “Please help me”. This is love, to yourself and others.

I was wondering - why do some people who have discovered their purpose like Amy Winehouse and Anthony Bourdaine and Robin Williams etc get depressed and commit suicide anyway? Whats lacking there?

There have been historical societies which venerated suicide - kamikaze in WWII springs to mind. But the consensus from Near-Death studies and spiritual texts is that a young person seeking to escape working through personal challenges via suicide will have to face them again in some other lifetime or other form. Hence, it cannot be advised (separate to the issue of voluntary euthanasia). And we are by no means here forever anyway. The best advice I can give is to 'die before you die'.

I can talk you through why I'm personally Anti-Lockdown / Against the nonsensical restrictions in the UK, I'll start with the restrictions. Personally, I think it goes a lot deeper, but Leo has made it clear 'Conspiracy Theories' are not allowed to be discussed on this forum, so I won't mention the deeper reasons. 10PM Curfew for Pubs- Lmao, this is probably the stupidest thing Boris (our PM) has ever done, all it creates is more- house parties, field parties, raves, crowded streets with zero security and social distancing, this will only heighten crime as well. Not to mention cripple the hospitality industry which has been shown to only be responsible for 5% of cases here, mostly of ages between 18-60, where the risk of dying is minimal. Also, if you go to one of these venues, you surely know the risks you are taking? Just cripples an industry for no reason really. 6 People Rule- Again, makes little sense to me why you can meet up with 5 friends but if you meet up with 6, you face a fine lol. Masks mandated in shops 24th July- At the 'peak' nobody wore masks, at the lowest the virus had been, suddenly they were mandated in shops, after our health advisor actually advised against wearing masks before this as in his words- ' the evidence shows they have little effect, and can actually do more harm than good in many cases.' Hm. New mask rule- This is the best one. You walk into a pub / bar etc with the people you're with, with your mask on, you get to the table and take it off, you then have to put them on again to leave the venue, just to take them off as soon as you're outside. Literal madness. Due to these new restrictions LOTS of people have turned their back on even listening to the Gov, and are not complying, even many police officers have said they have no way of enforcing most of these rules. Lockdown: Measures like this have NEVER been used for healthy members of a population, originally it was to protect the health service, but then continued for months afterwards. Now, people believe lockdown is the solution to this issue until a Vaccine comes, people forget we have a Vaccine for Flu and that still kills 100,000s a year. Asymptomatic Transmissions- https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-study-weak-asymptomatic-coronavirus-transmission , if anything it seems there is more chance of the virus spreading rapidly when a household member contracts it and everyone is cooped up inside, more so than passing someone for a few seconds when you are Asymptomatic. Remember, this was one of the basis for worldwide shutdown, without a true investigation into it. Destruction of small businesses & livelihoods- While trillion $ corporations have been thriving, small businesses are struggling more than ever, and this will likely be one of the worst recessions in a very long time. I feel if the population was asked at this point, most would be happy to open everything up, and those who wanted to shield themselves could do, and just limit contact between those leading normal lives, and the extremely vulnerable. The chances of dying for a healthy member of the working population is very minimal- Being realistic most people will not die from this, unless they have underlying health conditions / 75+ in age. Therefore, why are we not simply promoting natural health to the general public, what supplements to buy, best exercise routines, Wim Hof breathing, usage of Sauanas, etc etc? And, then protecting those it is actually dangerous for. I know the response will be 'but some 24 year olf who was perfectly healthy died of Covid' and, yes, I get that, but are those rare cases worth shutting down the world for? I can show similar examples of Flu deaths for perfectly healthy teenagers and young adults. Long term implications- In my opinion, the long term implications will cause far more suffering and problems than the virus will. I believe people often underestimate how much suffering & even death extreme poverty can cause, homelessness, mental health degeneration, suicides etc. If you think long term, I genuinely feel this could've been handled in a very very very different way to incoming economic doom that will lead to devastating effects in millions of people's lives. While suicides may not have doubled, they certainly have increased. We have had days in the UK where suicide has caused more deaths than Covid. That brings me on to my last point- Recalculation of deaths & testing issues- I have spoken to several Doctors at cricket, and read enough accounts of people stating how the Covid death figures are very generous. As in, you test positive Today, die of something completely unrelated in the next 28 days, and go down as a Covid death, or have stage 4 cancer, test positive for Covid, and again die 'of' Covid, even though, you were already dying. In regards to testing, the original inventor of the PCR test said his test should not be used in the diagnosis of infectious diseases, so why is it being regarded as the Gold standard? - https://www.weblyf.com/2020/05/coronavirus-the-truth-about-pcr-test-kit-from-the-inventor-and-other-experts/ This is without factoring in the lesser effects it is having on people, such as the extreme fear and anxiety. I know perfectly healthy 18-20 year olds who are afraid to leave their house & go for a walk still because of the Media & Social Media making this out to be WAY worse than it actually is. My mum for example has often said she doesn't know if she will ever go back to mixing with people and often feels live isn't worth living anymore. I don't see that maximization of Love & Consciousness. But, we all have different opinions on everything. Personally, I feel this should've been used as an opportunity for Governments to push healthier lifestyles, teach about nutrition on national levels, help people understand Vitamins & Minerals, learn about breathwork, learn how to boost your immune system naturally, while focusing on helping the Vulnerable & Elderly do the same & of course protecting them. But, at this stage, I don't think these restrictions are the solution for the vast majority of the population. My question to Pro-Lockdown folks, when does it all end? When we get a vaccine? When we get down to 0 cases? When we realize you can't suppress a virus forever. What about when there is spikes in years to come, do we continuously shut down the economy over winters? Are we going to do the same for Flu outbreaks? (50,000 excess deaths in 2018 from flu in the UK, but it never got mentioned) I'm sure you will all disagree with me, and call me 'low conscious' and selfish, or a murderer or whatever the latest insult is, but I just don't agree with quarantining healthy people, sorry, and think there are much smarter ways to deal with this. Instead of people actually evolving and becoming healthier, more conscious beings, people think a Mask & Vaccine is the be all, end all. While they continue to smoke, eat fast food, remain overweight and do nothing to improve their health, that is just very backwards to me. P.S. If anyone wants to have a chat about the deeper reasons behind all this, feel free to message me!