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Okay but seriously, why does this happen. Cause consciousness wants that to happen. I mean I get sent to love and other higher states of consciousness easily. I can see nothingness and infinity. It’s like a portal opens and I just look through them. Switching so fast makes me desolve myself. I become more pure in all ways the other thing is that when I fall apart it’s like dying and I have to go through that from every meditation. Like come on man and just tryen to chill. Universe says “lol Na bro give me a second” *swoosh* and there goes my sense of self. There goes al of existence. There goes concepts themselves. There “it” goes... Tbh tho, it’s pretty amazing. I have so much love, appreciation and grounded principles. I am me and I love it. I love you too. Its just. When your ungrounded your mind swirls. It’s hard to explain. Your heart beats fast as fuck. Your mind stops or goes extremely fast. Your breathing stops or goes faster and faster. It really feels like that doctor strange video. Just taking about this makes my mind swirl. Good day all. *bows* and exits the stage.

When I start to meditate I feel like just not to a extent. Like 7/10 of this from 20 min of meditation. I start to see infinity and nothingness. My perspective switches so fast, and I swirl. My ego desolves and I’m left bare and naked. You realize that the ground you were standing in falls apart. The reality you believed in doesn’t actually exist. It’s a swirl of everything. You spin and go “I forgot how to think” while your sense suddenly expand into infinity and nothingness. Both and nothing. AND THATS WHY I STOPPED MEDITATING. Fuck.

You can see truth in anything you want and fly in ecstasy of it as long as it feels good to you .No need to feel sad for me, I have explored nothingness probably before you even started to practice. just by the way you write I can tell that your ego is taken ownership of some experience and made whole fantasy out of it.

@PureRogueQ shh, silence. listen, what do you hear? Ah the echo of ones soul? I see. you are just finding yourself. “Ultimate consciousness”. We are using words. Pointing to nothing. That’s why. When we just become. It’s a different ballgame of realizations. it’s ultimately just nothingness/love playing and spinning. So when he put this he wanted to share an insight. It is not foolish in the slightest. To see wisdom means you are wise. To see foolishness means you are a fool. you are a fool again, lovely post @traveler thanks for the share

To a beautiful life. the beauty of the sea, the cool winds which blow across the empty mind. the empty mind which produces something is no longer empty. that something that is produced is nothingness. yada yada have fun and go wild!!!! Wooooo. Lol life’s good and my purpose is no purpose. no mind = empty mind = love = you stillness is a state. Love is being. Beingness is all that arises. All that arises is like the calm grass. The swaying trees. The heavenly sky. the sky, the earth, the sea, the ocean. That which is that which is. Labels on beauty. Mind grows stillness stops. When stillness stops it does not become more still but the opposite. Yeahhhhh life’s pretty good. I am that which is not seen. I am not that which is seen. the eyes cannot see and the ears cannot hear. The heart cannot beat and the mouth cannot breath. the air cannot move and the sky cannot shine. I am a small pebble. The pebble of life and love. ~~~~~

i have invented love meditation, i am not sure if it is something new but anyway i will explain it here. like in nothing meditation where you suppose to do not nothing and if you feel some pain you should do nothing about that here you do something, you just love and accept it! love and accept it to death, love and accept the pain, the itch , the thoughs or anything that is a problem for you till the problem goes away. if a small amout of love doesnt help then you show more love till the problem is gone! you can love it in any way you want , doesnt matters, even in multiple ways. i fell to the nothingness super fast this way , after i just felt great ! gonna do at least 30 days of this kind of meditation

If we’re not our body not our mind and just infinite consciousness, what does our infinite consciousness and true self nothingness need the body and mind for? is conversation purely thoughts from the mind or where does speech and talk originate from?

I've been rewatching Leo's meditation videos and am very confused. I don't here anybody talking about his vanilla meditation technique anymore. What are the pros and cons to this technique? Why does Leo pretty much dismiss this technique now? From my experience, I did it very consistently for a few months and saw amazing results, I didn't get lost in thought throughout the day and I was so much more present. Eventually I abandoned this technique (it was just too simple) and tried out all the other techniques Leo recommended more highly (like Do Nothing technique and Mindfulness Meditation with labeling). Monkey mind is on full throttle now. Last week I did 4 hours a day for 4 days of Do Nothing Technique and holy fuck, one thought gets me sucked into this super powerful river of concentration spacing me out into this thought. I feel dissasociated. My thoughts are more rampant than ever. I am a lot more neurotic. At least on an individual level. It feels like there is this ocean. It's all encompassing. It's everything. It's basically nothingness. And I'm always there. I'm always this ever present awareness. And now I'm a lot more tapped into that. But on an individual level, my mind is in chaos. It doesn't know how to deal with this ocean. Doesn't know how to live in sync with this ocean. So there's a lot of individual misery I guess. But its subtle. Its almost faded out because the ocean dulls the individual suffering a little. Extremely hard to explain. I don't know what the fuck this is. So on day 5 I decided to go back to 20 minutes a day of Mindfulness MEditation with labeling but that's extremely difficult because I get sucked into these thought streams into this dissasociation mode. Not present. So I'm considering moving back into the vanilla meditation technique (be aware of thoughts and let them go) but Leo's talked sortof negatively about it enough that I'm too doubtful to get back into that even though that technique has brought me much more peace than I've felt any other way. Also, CONSISTENCY. Leo says you can't miss a day of doing a meditation technique. Well how do you switch it up. How much consistent daily practice of one technique is necessary to move onto the next? Can you do multiple meditation techniques at once? THEN there are the meditation books on Leo's booklist which make it even more confusing. Which of Leo's meditation techniques could be considered 'Insight Practices' and which ones 'Concentration Practice'? And Om Swami's meditation book adds trillions of other techniques. How do we balance all these techniques without going crazy? Is it okay to switch up techniques every day? If you have to meditate every single day or you'll lose progress, what the fuck does 'meditate every single day' mean? Does it mean do 1 meditation technique every single day for 10 years or does it mean any meditation technique that falls under a certain criteria must be done every single day for 10 years or for life?

@Origins I'm not sure we can create awareness. On one AI YouTube supposedly an Enlightened One implied that consciousness might incarnate into an AI. Right now I tend to lean toward reincarnation. I'm not sure we ever return back into nothingness. We'll probably always have some kind of vehicle (body) to natigate our reality.

I know exactly how you feel. Around 6 years ago I suffered from terrible anxiety. It was so bad that I thought my brain wouldn't be able to handle it and I will descend into madness, which of course only made me more afraid because I didn't want to go mad. I couldn't sleep, I couldn't work, I couldn't talk to people it was hell. At one point it got so bad that I was more afraid of the anxiety than of actually dying so I contemplated suicide to stop the fear. I think this is the moment when I slowly started to realize that this wasn't really about survival but about my mind trying to figure out what's the absolute worst thing that can happen so that I could give it permission to rest. So I kept getting better and better and producing horror movies in my head. What if this, what if that. But how do I know this, how do I know that. How can I trust my senses, how can I trust my thoughts, what to trust bla bla bla. Absolute paranoia... Suffice it to say that this period of my life left me with hardcore trauma that I am still recovering from (successfully). The good news is that the anxiety is gone completely and guess what I am still alive. I don't remember the exact journey I had to go through to solve this but I remember a few cornerstone events which dissolved the problem. 1. I started taking magnesium and ashwagandha (this doesn't address the cause of the problem but helps the brain calm down as you work through your issues - it really works) 2. I met this psychotherapist/spiritual teacher and I told him how I am completely uncertain of what's real and what's not and how I can't stop doubting everything and he told me this: "If you are going to doubt everything you should also doubt your doubting as well." This was the first Eureka moment I had. I had been so immersed in my doubting that I had become incapable of actually observing what I was doing in my mind. It was now doubting for doubting sake. I had convinced myself that just because I am capable of conceptualizing a doubt in my mind this must be somehow valuable, but this was no longer rooted in my direct experience of reality, it was just me creating horror movies in my mind. His advice was so powerful to me that I felt instant relief. 3. I realized that doubts are simply the byproducts of beliefs. Whenever we adopt a certain worldview that's not based on our direct and honest experience but on some belief system, doubt starts creeping in because deep down we know we have never experienced that particular information that we've put there and we become afraid that we might be delusional. As we start letting go of those core beliefs, the corresponding doubts fade away as well. You see doubts aren't really capable of proving the belief true, only experience is. Doubts are just alarms that something is "fishy" in our world view. At the time I was a big Buddhist nerd and I had filled my head with all kinds of beliefs about what reality is, what the senses are, what experience is, what the mind is yada yada yada, but it was all doctrine not experience but I was clinging to it because I had invested so much time researching it that I didn't want to let it go. One day I just got sick and tired of believing shit that wasn't in my experience and I started letting go of that whole nonsense. I decided that I am no longer interested in other people telling me what the world is, but instead I was interested in directly experiencing what the world is for myself through honest inquiry based on experience, not fantasies, concepts and belief systems. I completely let Buddhism go and released another layer of mental instability. 4. I decided I wanted to visit this spiritual master in India that I had resonated with, so I did. I went on a solo trip to India for 40 days. We did satsang every day except for weekends. It was a direct experience inquiry as you go method that allowed me to uncover the awareness behind the thoughts and feelings - something many people report to have discovered after long years of meditation. Essentially I experienced this facet of my mind that was always the same regarding of what else was happening - whether I was afraid, or depressed, whether I was happy or sad it didn't really matter, there was this "silent awareness" place in my mind where thoughts and emotions had no foothold. It wasn't nothingness either, it was simply awareness. And it provided massive relief for me because the experience of it was of something really healthy, really stable, really reliable as opposed to the volatile storm of doubts, fears and madness that the lower facets of mind were. I could go there whenever I wanted and knowing that I no longer had to be a slave of my thoughts this alone deleted a massive portion of my anxiety. Once I came back home from India my mom said I was a completely transformed person. And I knew it because I never had a panic attack since then, and trust me it wasn't for lack of problems in my life. 5. Transcendental meditation - A really simple technique that you do twice a day that allows you to release stress, restore a harmonious state of mind, and give yourself a break. This teaches you that you don't need a reason to give yourself permission to let go and relax which is one of the reasons why we are so attached to fear - the belief that we need something else to give us permission to let it go. Don't cling to logic, logic is just a tool. You are more than your logic you can give yourself permission to relax for no reason, don't diminish yourself to just one of your faculties. 6. Watch Sadhguru and Eckhart Tolle on YouTube, They are cool guys who will gently guide you to a more harmonious state of mind which transcends this fear based living. So to summarize - I am still capable of fear but I never have generalized anxiety or panic attacks anymore. The good healthy fear somehow knows when to come on its own and protect me when I need protection - it doesn't require me bringing it up through my thoughts. I am not too concerned with survival either because I am not even sure that's a thing to be honest. I have discovered higher dimensions of experience such as inspiration and purpose which have become more important to me than survival. Ironically enough I am not acting in any reckless or self-destructive ways at all. I am embracing harmony in everything that I do and that's way more effective than being afraid. Don't resist the fear, don't resist the anxiety allow yourself to feel the fully. If you are afraid you will die, don't resist it, don't try to hide from it or suppress it, just be afraid you will die and see what happens it just flows through you like a jolt of electricity and disappears into the nothingness it came from. You realize it was never substantial, just some radio noise your brain picks up and lets go. It's liberating in fact it even becomes exhilarating the fear of death is completely transmuted into a little bit of excitement that flows through you. If you are really stuck in madness right now, don't despair, no matter how bleak it seems it really is you causing it, no matter how much you want to believe that your situation in life justifies your suffering it's really you causing it. Keep at it and soon you will transcend the need to hurt yourself this way. And most importantly remember this: Just because you have a thought, doesn't mean you have to believe it. You are the master not the slave. Cheers and good luck.

I have combined both. I realized that I can try to vape the 5-MeO Oxelate that I have thought is only used for plugging, and when I tried to vape it, it gave the same effects. Since then, I've taken out the vape when I felt like I could use it. Up until now, I wouldn't say that I have had "full-blown Ego-death". More like all things getting reduced into one. More like, realizing that imagination is the basis of all of existence. I will post a trip report about that. Leo, you should say "Whenever you get the urge to do weed, do it, but add some 5-MeO to the mix! The brain fog from Cannabis actually gets neutralized by the clarity of 5-MeO. It's like 5-MeO is pure clarity, such that all the illusions melt away. But the effects of cannabis are kind of "foggy", where we tend to for example forget our thoughts. When you are really high on cannabis, then go try some 5-MeO. It clears everything up and gives the high a tinge of ecstasy. Also, it seems to me that the Cannabis makes the 5-MeO last longer (in combination) and the visuals get affected to become more beautiful. The cannabis visuals are kind of subtle, as when one is looking at a white wall, it gives the effects of as if we were looking at one point on that wall being sober - kind of "applying" certain patterns onto the canvas, but in a subtle way, as if it were a template without content, structure without content. Combining 5-MeO (vaping) with Cannabis sort of fills that visual structure with more content. At one point, I was seeing eyes! As if certain strategic points of my visual field became eye-like. The thing that is the anti-dote to fear when it comes to 5-MeO, is that 5-MeO approaches nonduality, which makes reality simple. And simplicity is the essence of bliss. How can one be afraid when there is like nothing to be afraid of? And at that point, bliss occurs. Or at that point, I should've taken another hit from the vape , to fully merge with the nothingness so to speak. The worst thing that can happen with fear is if the thoughts, emotions, and actions are under the control of fear. So, the worst thing that can happen is if we act on that fear, which reinforces the emotional state and the thoughts. Acting on fear is basically to panic, and to let the panic snowball. Fear is emotional and triggers certain thoughts. The key to fear is to be the observer of those thoughts and feelings, without ever acting out. This is what we call "surrendering", just observing, just observing. One can do this several times to get the hang of it. That's what I'm doing with the 5-MeO right now. In preparation for a big ceremonial breakthrough down the road...

@dalink You're describing it very vaguely, but maybe we have the same thing. Whenever I let myself become absorbed by "IT" I instantly become afraid. However If I continue into the emptiness, the fear of dying comes up as a nauseous pain in the chest area, my skin feels weird and it beats me to the ground, I remember the nothingness that's behind it, but it's hard to "push through". It's like your Body pulls the last alarm saying you shouldn't go through it. I always tell myself, fuck it, next time I am going to do it, going through no matter what and then I become a little bitch as soon as it beats me to the ground into the foetal position. I fucking remember what's behind it. DPDR is spiritual enlightenment. Psychosis isn't. However psychosis can occur.

Am I on the right track? When you sense that you are on your way of waking up and realizing who you truly are, I always feel TERRIFIED and I'm having difficulty in getting beyond that point. The idea that all of my belief systems, worldviews etc are a mere sketch and ultimately not real and to see 34 years of conditioning just vaporize into nothingness kinda makes me loop into the idea that I'm on my way of getting a psychosis and not an awakening experience. I suppose I'm curious to know if I am on the right track, and that pushing beyond will not lead to a psychosis but rather to an unbelievable peaceful presence.. Thank you for reading this and thank you for any inputs.

Yes, this obvious. For someone as cognitively contemplative as Leo, this should be very very obvious. But I suspect he is nervous about being a bad debater. Despite all the pickup stuff, he still has traces of social awkwardness, like in his Martin Ball video where he speaks a lot less eloquently than usual. When it comes to "Professor" Dave (is he a real professor?), you can be good at balancing equations and teaching physics concepts while still having a garbage unintelligent view of reality, ie. the idea that anything exists outside of Consciousness. His consciousness is low, otherwise he'd see the lack of boundary between nothingness and Malkhut. And if Leo was a cult leader (he can't be here because most Actualized.org followers very high critical thinking skills), he would have a harem or a Waco compound set up by now. And Leo has never advocated suicide. That's just moronic.

Say the Enlightened Ones are correct and all reality is only imagination, or dreamstuff. What happens after death? Does one return to the nothingness from which one came? Or does one enter into another imagined reality in the astro worlds? Say our body/soul/mind/memory is held together by intelligence. Why would the intelligence defuse into nothingness? Could intelligence that holds the body/erthric together continue holding aspects of it together after death?

You have to go way deeper. If you really dont think, nothing never happens. Thats what enlightenment is. Realization occurs that you are already what you are and where you are as always been, forget about birth, not even moved nor began. Thats why meditation is must. Specially living in darkness and silence at least more than couple years. If you think that now is life, instead of non duality, this is not even close to enlightenment. @GreenWoods @PureRogueQ This what enlightenment is. You no longer operate from ego, just control the ego. No longer think as ego, you become the moment and just thoughts arises. Ego is just a device to connect to duality. Identification with 1 thought brought back entire duality (for ego). Therefore no longer identification with thoughts, only when it is necessary (because survival needs never goes away). No longer day dreams, future expectations. Being the moment and completely free. When you so called close your eyes, there is no time, you nor universe, just nothingness. And become the freedom and moment. Do you think after nirvana, you still operate as a normal human being? ? so what is the enlightenment for, mental masturbation? ? Guys these sentences are not you put down, but make you realize enlightenment is way deeper than your current consciousness level. Be aware of this and dont be stuck in your current level.

This is your problem. Understanding the 3 characteristics cannot be accomplished through the intellect, only through hardcore practice. When your concentration becomes so stabilized onto the present moment that you start seeing underneath the fabrication of perception, you'll understand impermanence. Perhaps "nothing" is permanent like you say, but honestly, who knows? What is nothingness? What is the present moment? Why would some very reputable dharma teachers claim that even the present moment is empty? I don't have any answers. No one will through a forum. The only way to find out is through the radical responsibility of a rigorous meditation practice.

@Tim R sorry for rambling. How did you get to that conclusion? Well, if reality is nothingness, but here we are, perceiving "things", would it be that these things are made of nothing ... what else can it be?

@LastThursdaysomething is nothingness structured. they are not opposites since they are basically the same, the question would be: is the "act" of structuring something? it is like a thought, therefore it is not something in the material sense, but I would not call it "nothing" either. the only possibility that nothing has a structure is that it really does not have it ... that it is an appearance. But where is the difference between real and appearance? There is not. Appearance became real in the moment that it is Structure is shape? I'd say yes. But there is a difficult question: how the nothing thinks?

Birth has never happened. Birth, death is just a thought itself. Now is before birth and after death (if you dont think). Nothingness is now. There is no such a thing as going or coming back. Instead of thought process. There is no such a thing. Anything you say is something that you have learned, including yourself. Knowing is the greatest illusion, including knowing the word of “illusion “. These stuff just comes from so called knowledge, if you never learn yourself , including birth, can you born?

When I say "it" I mean reality that we live in. Not the "it" that Enlightened Ones refer to. I'm just talking about the "real" world or what Enlightened Ones would call the illusion or dream. When I say "work" I'm referring to the universe as we know it. The "first" quantum partical that spin out of infinite nothingness to "work" i.e. to be able to reiterate itself so all things could be created by it. Any other partical wouldn't work and dissolve or not work. Not have the precise mathematical that could reiterate until the entire universe could be created from it.

@LastThursday structure means there is something rather than nothing. non-structure is nothing. nothingness structures itself in patterns of increasing complexity, forms that create and dissolve, from a hydrogen cloud to a human brain

I have a theory. When one looks at the odds they go astronomical, like 1 out of 1 plus a thousands of zeros after it for just one thing to happen. Let's say you have a universe creating machine. Let's say all that's really needed is one quantum partical to act a certain way. One partical to spin out of intelligent infinite nothingness with a certain mathematical spin that reiterates itself. Everything in our known universe could be created on that one simple equation. Like a fractal.

This is unbelievably complex. But I like the fact that Vedic philosophy, Kant's ideas and Vaknin's current philosophy called 'nothingness' all coincide together in terms of their core concepts. Of course, Leo has his own philosophy and it would be nice to see his answer on this.

You are infinite nothingness, that is also infinite Love. You are the only being in existence, and are eternal and immortal. You only exist Now, as time and space is in your imagination. All of Reality is you dreaming. You created this dream from nothing, and gave yourself amnesia to experience what's like to be a 'human'. Although sharing this explanation with 'others' can raise some eyebrows, which is why most don't talk about it with others. Leo has much better indepth explanations in these videos: