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All of that is bullshit. I've gone beyond all that. Doubt me all you want. it makes no difference. You guys are so far from God-realization it's sad. It is completely obvious to me who knows what God is and who does not. I can listen to be teacher talk about God for 10 seconds and immediately I know he is not God-realized. What you have to understand is that God is even dreaming up samadhi, cessation, enlightenment, no-self, nonduality, "naty state", nothingness, psychedelics, past awakenings, gurus, RASA, and whatever other spiritual bullshit you are imagining. It's all spiritual bullshit invented by you to keep yourself asleep. Only God is real and you are not conscious of what God is. How can I possibly know all this? Because, I'm God. You'll only understand once you realize that I'm you and that Frank Yang is some clown you've imagined Basically, no one on this forum is fully God-realized. So watch out who you believe. There are many bullshitters here talking about things they don't fully comprehend.

Everything is Imagination. But don't forget: Imagination = Nothingness = Consciousness = Love = God = Oneness = Infinity

Knowing yourself well is the definition of ego jerking lol. It is a trap within itself that ultimately collapses into a paradox infinity/Nothingness. The ego literally wants wishes to validates it's existence by investigation and forming opinions on a perceived belief of what it is. I can't think of anything else that is closer to ego masturbation, though this is not a flaw but rather a design choice. To believe there is only innocence within empathy isn't idealistic. For empathy itself is a double edged blade. The overly empathetic not only suffer needlessly themselves, but their inability to regulate their own self structure without it being tethered to "other" causes the suffering of other. The same, but slightly different, happens with those that lack empathy. I personally believe the usage of the word empathy is counter productive. It was once a label I strongly attached to, but eventually I saw the devilry with the label and what comes with it.

@GreenWoods yeah i agree.in yogic tradition emptiness or enlightened state = god and budhist tradition it is nothingness

Maybe he uses different words to say that God is Nothingness. That realization is not higher than God Realization though.

This night during my dream I put some cyanoacrylate glue on my tongue and tripprd really hard for a few seconds ;D ;D I have experiences like yours quite often now - however I did 5 MeO DMT few times. I can reach similar states with yoga, breathwork or when I'm about to sleep. They have short duration, usually they last up to few seconds. It feels like presence / nothingness / energy without thoughts and any identity - I'm forgetting that I have ever been a human. I know it's super scary at first, but I recommend you to try not to resist anything and let the energy flow freely.

Well Christians and materialists face the same infinite regress where it leaves questions forever no matter how deep you go. Why is there a quark and not infinite nothingness? Replace quark with the God of the Bible and you see it's the same issue. Matter never being created btw, I think just applies to the laws inside the universe. Nothingness cannot ever be separated from somethingness, because only things can be finite and limited. If nothing exists, neither do limitations of any kind, so boom infinity.

Day 01 - 16/01/2021 - 30 mins - Morning - Done - Amazing It was really really deep. 30 mins of breathing passed as 5 mins. I was an infinite void of nothingness. It was really peaceful & Blissful. I have no feelings of Body. I detached from my body. And the body was just like a few sensations in that void. My awareness was really sharp. I felt like there were a lot of points opening up in me and at the opening of each point, It was releasing bliss & joy. By discovering my true depth, it was so profound that it made me cry. I felt like a lot of negativity was releasing. I felt very close to God. Day 02 - 17/01/2021 - 20 mins - Morning - Done - Very Good Day 03 - 18/01/2021 - 15 mins - Morning - Done - Good Day 04 - 19/01/2021 - 30 mins - Morning - Done - Good Day 04 - 19/01/2021 - 15 mins - Night (Before Sleep) - Done - Very Good It was amazing. I went into a really deep state of consciousness. I was in a void with no feeling of the body. My Visualisation and imagination power multiplied by 10. Whatever I was trying to visualize or imagine that was manifesting into that void more clearly than the normal state. I was receiving a lot of insights. I was able to experience different states of consciousness. I was able to remain aware while sleeping into Sleeping states. Hypnagogia was a lot more powerful visually. I enjoyed these experiences in that deep state a lot. I was hyperactive psychologically as well. My body was able to sleep but I was still aware of everything. Psychologically it was really hard for me to become unconscious and sleep. After 1 or 2 hours in that state, after all, I slept. Now I have feelings of very different kinds of sleep I experienced last night. I can't explain it. And my dreams were also a lot vivid than my normal routine. Day 05 - 20/01/2021 - 30 mins - Morning - Done - Very Good It was really deep & profound full of infinite bliss. I was void. It was so profound that it made me cry. I felt the closeness of God. I was talking to him. Objects in my visual field were in motion. Breath is optional. I can not die. We are afraid to kill our ego due to our own fears, desires & attachments. Day 05 - 20/01/2021 - 15 mins - Night (Before Sleep) - Done - Good (Vivid Dreams) Day 06 - 21/01/2021 - 35 mins - Morning - Done - Very Good Breathing became automatic after 25 mins. Today I was able to see colorful infinite patterns as well. I was an infinite void. Detached from the body. Flashing lights. I was in pure joy & bliss. At one point I was feeling like my heart was opening and I could feel a really peaceful void in my heart. Currents were running around in my whole body. My body was nothing but a few random sensations inside that void which was me. Day 06 - 21/01/2021 - 10 mins - Night (Before Sleep) - Done - Good The mind becomes hyperactive after the breathing exercise so after this exercise, It's hard to sleep. It takes time to go unconscious. Your awareness becomes Lazer sharp for a few minutes. After 10 mins of Breathing, I detached from the body for a few minutes. And this practice before sleep resulted in Vivid Dreams. But in the morning I forgot most of the dreams but still could recall one dream. Click here if you are interested to read that dream. Day 07 - 22/01/2021 - 15 mins - Morning - Done - Very Good (With Post Breathing Music) I Started Shamanic Breathing while listening following Tribal Drumming: https://youtu.be/BkzA_u9smXU After a few minutes while breathing I started to feel really cold. There was a lot of Tingling in my whole body. My arms & hands are totally numb, Tight, and hard. My whole body started to become so hard that it felt like it’s made of stone. As soon as I stopped doing shamanic Breathing, I held the breath inside. And suddenly it felt like I had detached from my body and had become an infinite void. The feeling of the body transformed into just a few sensations, flowing energy and currents. My Mind & Body was filled with Bliss, Joy & Peace. I could feel that all the blockages and knots in my body are opening and I am becoming more lightweight. I had earphones in my ears from the beginning and then after 5 mins of stopping the shamanic breathing following music started playing automatically in my ears. (I didn't need to come out of the trance to play the music myself using my hands): https://youtu.be/ZdElzvGlZbo I achieved the automatic Music phenomena through the following android app: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.muzical And it was an amazing experience to listen to music in that state of consciousness. I was feeling like I am the invisible being without any physical body floating into this infinite void and that music is the part of that void and echoing in that void. At a stage, I could feel that I am the universe, and then at a stage, I became Music. I was Music. Due to that music different kinds of vibrations were occurring in my body. When the music stopped playing there was amazing peaceful silence & void and I was in the presence of that void. I started to experience flashes of lights, hypnagogia, visualization in the blackness of my eyes. I was able to see silhouettes of some beings in human form, Faces, Eyes looking at me, and then the effects faded away and I was back to the normal state.

So? I haven't yet seen or understood anything in any scientific study that has ever encroached upon the nature of what things fundamentally are... We just break things down smaller and smaller, atoms, quarks, and just keep digging deeper. With "things" there will never be a point where the very nature of the thing will be revealed by the thing. Eventually nothingness must be accepted.

When you look into my eyes do you see nothing? I hope you do. I hope you see everything that you are when our eyes meet. You know this happened to me once. I had no idea what it meant at the time. I just saw something so deep I couldn't see it at all. All I could tell was that he had seen some shit– at least that's what his eyes told me. But I also felt like they were looking at it. I don't know what they're looking at me for I have no idea about nothingness. What I do know is that I have never felt more seen in this moment with eternity. I wanted to say back to it, "I see you too." But again, I didn't know what it was at the time although I did. I knew the feeling it gave and I gave it back. I was with it forever. He for sure had no idea about any of this he just has taken too may trips to the moon. He doesn't know what he knows and now I know what we both didn't know. I know that I hope you see yourself when I look at you. I hope everybody who crosses my eyes meets themselves in eternity like I did in that moment. I hope they meet me there too... we can find the one in one another.

It's simple. Colors and sounds, all consciousness, which imagines scenes or dreams, and then inserts itself into the dream as the main character. We're in a VR-like reality/experience that was designed by consciousness to keep itself entertained for eternity through lifetimes. The color red isn't happening in your brain. It's happening on the screen that wraps around you and your field of vision. Your face is a void and you're projecting the color red (and your entire reality, for that matter) unto nothingness. That's why you can't see your face, because you see the world instead. There is nothing behind the red apple. It's just an appearance in this VR / dreamworld. Three-dimensionality does not exist. It's an illusion of materialism.

@Leo Gura Evening Leo (from Australia) Brilliant interview today ! I have a few hours remaining due to work, I'll keep this advice in mind, personally I don't drink, and in your interview you mentioned you'd go out and party and stuff and it frustrated me because I'm opposite of that to a degree - Anyways, you've clearly had experience, and your response that I don't need money is motivating, I've read Mark Manson's book called Models multiple times, and still not a lot of tangible success, but maybe it is overrated (except its in music, movies, t.v. and port easily accessible), I gotta get out there ,,, Thanks for taking time out to respond, I think the ability to make posts with a collective community is extroadinary unlike other interesting spiritualists I enjoy following, but all fasinating, I also have one question but no response is cool, infinite intelligence may eventually provide an answer, Alan Watts says we're all selfish, and its powerful to acknowledge that, and to try and not be selfish is still a selfsih motive, I've heard you discuss selflessness, and I 100 % get what you mean when one might become that and slip into infinitity as such, fasinating, but this has been a question if its really possible to be selfless, or maybe you mean selfless as in not having a self, therefore I guess becoming 'nothingness/love' so fasinating !!

My friends I am truly despaired and in need of an external point of view on my life so far, I can't ignore it anymore. I feel helpness and I don't know what to do. This summer I started to have backlashes of suicidal thoughts. One day I was so low: I went in a camp with a knife and I called my country's suicide hotline for giving this life a last chance. I called twice but they did not respond. I don't reccomand a similar experience. Since then I talked about it only to my girlfriend and a friend and that has helped a little bit. I feel judged by people, I feel that I'm not in the way I'm supposed to be but at the same time I don't know "how" to be. I started my self-help journey when I was 16 (now I'm 19). Since then I watched a lot of Leo's videos, read about 50 books of the booklist and still do that daily (I started the booklist about a year ago), I take copius amounts of notes, I journal twice a day, make affermations, meditate, do cold showers... I devoted myself to make my life better but the only thing that I want right now is to end my life in brutal ways. I feel like I should not consume media, but create media. The only thing I do is sell custom t-shirts online. That earn me some money but I don't feel original and when I do the creation does not sell. I feel guilty because I'm chasing money and success; I know that they won't make me happy but I keep on doing that. I feel like a failure because my success comes from a single artwork and even if I put a lot of effort in expanding my business and creating more I don't get results. I also fear that one day I will be betrayed by my girlfriend, even though things are going well with her. I feel like I'm not enough for her. This week I wanted to be alone and focus on my work. But I ended up finishing my goals early in the day and then have nothing to do. I don't know I should I spend my time because I feel guilty in watching videos, tv series, ecc... I meditate and contemplate on what I am but not understanding what awereness, nothingness and God are. Staying with the not knowing and the confusion drives me crazy. I can't explain to myself why the only solution seems to kill myself. I try so hard to prevent that, but no matter what I do I feel like a failure and basically I'm living my life in a confirmation bias upon which I search for reasons and situation to prevent feeling like a failure and by doing so basically confirming that I am one. Sorry I know this is rough and a lot to digest but I needed a toilet where to puke all of this. Most of the times I feel good and happy to live my life but sometimes this shit happens and nothing seems to help. Feel free to tell me any thought that you have had

God = Existence = Nothingness. Therfore God can't die. But when God imagines to be a human, God dies in some sense. Because God completely shapeshifts into that imagination. There is nothing behind the scenes, when God imagines to be not-God, all of God becomes not-God. In that way God can escape its eternity in some sense. But actually, not-God is still God, because all there is is God, therfore God can't actually become not-God. God can only create the illusion of becoming not-God (eg. human), and because imagination is reality, it becomes true in some sense. It's a bit paradoxical.

it's a real mindfuck to think about that. eternity ... the mind shudders, rejects the idea. There is no such thing as a beginning of God, since God is nothing. it was always there, because it is always right now, time is apparent. we are the pure, unfathomable and timeless nothingness that rejoices in its infinity. There is no before or after, there is only that, now, the totality

Oneness = Nothingness

@Adamq8 those were basically my insights with psychedelics as well. It can be total clarity. Which may also feel like total insanity from the egos point of view, but it may feel very true as the experience is happening. But that is the last mindfuck I realized about psychedelics. No matter how significant and true something feels and appears to be on psychedelics, still does not mean that it is. The sense of what's true is just another parameter of consciousness that gets turned up by psychedelics. In the end, even these seemingly most true insights dissolve into the nothingness/consciousness they came out of. I also agree that it is easy to fall into traps with psychedelics precisely because the insights one has on them feel so significant and true. Doesn't mean they are.

Hey there, hope all is well. I will try not to make this post too long but there are some things that I wonder and constantly ask and research about myself regarding reality (or Absolute Infinity as Leo calls it) that I can't seem to find an answer to. And really I feel like close to no one wonders about it for some reason. Anyway, here we go: I assume there are a few things about Infinity that we can all agree with, and that is that it is absolutely infinite, it's paradoxical, it's nonsensical, it's unlimited and not bound by anything at all as it all there is. Basically, if we were to reduce it to language or concepts it's more like magic and divinity than it is science or equations A.K.A. it cannot be understood. Now here comes the tricky part... apparently reality is infinite because it has nothing to bound it otherwise it wouldn't be the ultimate reality. At the same time, it is everything and nothing. 'Nothing' being absolutely nothing at all; void of qualities. What then, is the "everything" side of it according to us? I feel like people describe their "infinity" trip report experiences as simply never-ending/eternal rather than IT being infinitely many more. And by that, I don't mean the usual "time is infinite", "space is infinite", "everything that can happen exists simultaneously" that I've read many many many times over. No. I mean like there being infinitely many more beyond what we can conceive. People describe Absolute Infinity as either a multiverse of universes or an infinite amount of finite things. And boom there you have it, that's it that's Absolute Infinity/Reality. If it is unlimited and has nothing to be bound by then there should be many more "things" than a 4D Space-Time Universe even in all its different configurations. Infinitely so. People say "everything that can be, is", the "can" being restricting. In infinity, there shouldn't be no "can be's" because there's nothing outside of it to bound the "can's", rather, it should be "everything is because it is", point. I read a trip report here, saying that the matter that created the universe did so because it had nothing else to do and nowhere else to go. Couldn't just "God" decide to wipe it if it wanted to? It could just create it back from the nothingness if it wanted to at some point. It doesn't have to make sense because something can come from nothing, just because, for no reason at all. What I'm trying to say is, Absolute Infinity and the "why is reality the way it is?" question do not blend together. It is because it is and it is also infinitely more, and not. And beyond. Or at least it should be. What is beyond the "can be's"? What is beyond the "it is this way because XYZ excuse"? Why is it either duality or non-duality and not infinitely more in between those states as well as previously and after them? Why is it either good or bad and not an infinite amount of other "emotions" that are no better or worse than the 2 main ones we know and can experience? Why would reality be a fractal and not infinitely beyond it? Why would Absolute Infinity be the ending point and not something beyond it? Surely we can't conceive there being something beyond Absolute Infinity because we can't understand it but we don't have to... and who's to say there isn't? If you can't make sense of what I just said: is Absolute Infinity a complete mystery in the sense that at some point after "my" death or multiple deaths I will no longer wake up in this Universe as a human and instead be or experience something that we as humans have absolutely and will never have any point of reference for? No spatial dimensions, no senses, no concepts, etc (what we could boil down our existence to)... and despite this, whatever this other thing is it wouldn't be abstract, it would be... something else entirely? And then something new again and again ad infinitum. Or, is Absolute Infinity simply Dual/Non-dual 4D Space-Time Universe(s), self-repeating for eternity because there's nothing else that could've been? This contradicts what some describe this Infinity to be like. I'd love the input of people who feel, think, or are completely sure they've experienced "All-That-Is" or "Absolute Infinity" whatever that may be for them. Thanks!

I mean sure you're right but we can still talk about it relatively. I don't really need to know exactly how it works, why it does and etc. I just want to know if it can pull (or is) infinitely many more out of its own nothingness that may have 0 to do with its current finite experience (Universe, Finity, Duality). Like is this the only form of finite existence that can be? I doubt it, but if it is so then why?

@The0Self You saying it's impossible to know nothingness ? but how do you know that it's impossible to know isn't that itself knowing what's not knowable ?

According to many channelings, God or Source were in a state of nothingness, it was just being. But then came the idea to experience something more than this being. So then the Mother and Father God were created from that source, and they created angelic creator gods that created more and so on. Go into a deep Samadhi meditation and see for yourself!

@IAmReallyImportant No. Don't worry, I scored high as well, but I have HFA not psychopathy. There are too many variables, all people are too unique for simplified tests like this. All the actually important values: like, not screwing people over, caring if you see animals/humans abused, ect, I agree with. A psychopath would not care. I feel more emotional range as well. I love my pets. I love my family, even if they get on my nerves. I did come from a very messed up home, but I have come very far from where I used to be when I was younger. I worked on it. Some of the questions are things a person has done in the past and it doesn't take account of the changes a person can make in their lives over time. I acted in ways that were unempathetic, but when I felt the results of my actions I did not like what I saw and made adjustments. I continue to do this, but I'm not very skilled at it unless I know a person or a pet very well. Then I can build a library of what to do and eventually I do feel more authentic. I think when I am calm and in a good place that I am very nice and agreeable. As for darkness, it's not something to mess with unless you accidently find it, and you have to use it purely for good, or it monkey paws on you later down the road, karmically. It has to choose you. An initiation with it. And it's more of an impartial judge than anything else. Ignorance, childlikeness, illness, that isn't used against you if you find it, just general true malice. There is a lot of wiggle room when it comes to darkness. If you use it wrong it will devour you in some way later on down the road through karmic retribution, though. I've experienced this as a cosmic warning before, for messing with things I wasn't supposed to. It's hard to explain. It is like a material, the material magicians and alchemists use. It's an energy , just like anything else and has a bad reputation, or is turned into something angsty or Hollywood - but it's simply a more "thick" boomerang manifesting energy. It's also a nothingness, that can sometimes come in through a personal tautology.

Sounds finite, but then again, why "that can be imagined" if it is unlimited? Or is it only so relative to our perspective? Is God simply an infinitely bigger version of a human mind that can "run" paradoxes and be composed out of nothingness? Yep, I understand that's what it's composed of, but let's please stay within relativity here. I know in absolute terms this discussion and whatever God is or isn't is pointless which is why I'm not talking in absolutes. Well the different types of psychedelics yield different experiences and while you may get to this conclusion on say 5-Meo or NN-Dmt you could get the complete opposite of love from say Salvia. Unless you mean "Love" in absolute terms where a child getting mutilated is an act of love. But like I said, from a relative standpoint this isn't it. Okay, why is it that way based on your experiences? If the answer is that it "couldn't have been any other way" then what exactly is it bounding it to be a certain way if there can't exist anything outside of it to do so? And if we go by the "Love and Good are absolutes" and "reality is designed to maximize love" premise which really is just to be at peace with itself regardless of what's going on then there shouldn't be a limit or any absolutes in any other sense simply because it's cool with whatever is going down. How exactly do you experience Absolute Infinity if it's really infinite unless it's simply a finite amount of things being repeated over and over again to a point where you're like: "oh ok this is it then"? And I'm not actually making distinctions I do understand that everything is one but whether it be by perception or else reality holds different attributes and/or qualities. Language simply fails me here. True, I remember you saying this: "The craziest part is that space and time are just two of infinitely many aspects of infinity. Infinity is not subject to space or time. Those are finities." Which really is what I've been trying to say all along and if we go by this then you're agreeing with me I believe... I just think that it's dumb to think that Infinity is simply a 4-D Space-Time Universe program with biological agents running itself start to finish over and over again ad infinitum and boom that's it. This is also would contradict another thing you said about it which was: "No wonder the mind cannot grasp it. It's infinitely beyond the mind. A billion minds working for a billion years will never even make 0.00000000001% progress towards grasping it." If it were simply: Good and Love are absolutes, the universe is it, time is eternal and self-repeating... boom. Then I see no reason why a billion minds working for a billion years couldn't figure it out lol. By the way, you said a lotta other things about it which were beautifully put and really moved me. Cheers.

I’d be interested to hear about when you close your eyes and materialism disappears, how as consciousness we can experience physical experience through the eyes of others (so to speak), is there a level of consciousness that a self can retain itself whilst being aware enough to the point that he/she can experience other as one? Will ego/identification always be the final illusion before absolute oneness? I guess I’d like to know how God can experience at all if it is completely selfless, if there is no attachment to even itself.. Infinite nothingness vs infinite somethingness. what’s the actual evolution of universal spirit and why does anything have preference?

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