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Do you notice how everything in our Reality seams to function like a wave? Light is a wave Electricity is a wave Sound is a wave Quantum Fields are a wave Time is a wave People talk about spiritual frequencies...and frequencies are waves. Everything is push and pull, positive and negative, attract and oppose, up and down. Is this the fundemental nature of consciousness itself? When you are in an awakened state, have any of you been aware of consciousness itself functioning like a wave-like entity?

Imo you only had to write the two above lines, hehe. Sums it up just fine. Yes, you and I are not humans. None are humans. Human persons are just masks. The question is: who or what is wearing the mask? ehehehehe <3 The answer is you and I. You and I are One. Love. God. The Self. Whatever you wanna call it. We could call it the Spaghetti Monster; words are pointless if you want to awaken the Heart (not the Mind, necessarily). We are all <Oneness/Love/God/The Self> manifested as separate strange persons/actors in an external strange world/stage. Yes, we all go around acting and playing and being serious (not realizing we are acting/playing) By being so serious, we lie a lot to each other/ourselves. That's actually all we do, and of course we don't recognize our own lies. Of course, all these apparently separated persons/actors only exist because of survival. From one perspecitive, we are survival machines with only one goal: namely survival: both biologically and socially. People should realize that if this is the case, then this must also imply that there are lots of "things" our consciousness "screens out" because it is not deemed important to our survival. I work in a daycare center. 3-4 year old kids, when they see an ant running around in the sand, they can get extremely excited. "See Thomas, an ant!" they scream and you can see the intense excitement on their facial expression as they follow the ant around in the sand. Do you ever seen adults do this? Perhaps if they are on 3 grams of dried shrooms or some other psychedelic, this could happen But otherwise not so much. Why? Well, most adults already KNOW what an ant is. And they already KNOW that it is fucking unimportant to their survival. So we couldn't give even half a fuck about that ant the 3-year-old kid is so fascinated about. Why do the small kids find the ant so exciting? Because they don't really know what an ant is ((and paradoxically by not-knowing what it is, they in a sense know much more about it than adults do; that's why they are so excited: they are running around in a world of Love/Self/God observing all the strangeness/beauty of themselves, e.g. an ant.)) AND because - and this is important - because they have ALL their survival-needs taken care of by the adults in their lifes. By having all their survival-needs taken care of by others, their consciousness doesn't screen much out. See, small kids have extreme high levels of neuroplasticity and they learn something everyday, they learn LOTS of things everyday. That's also why they need to sleep so much. So much is happening in their brain. This is contrary to adult. We screen the ant out, because we are adults and we have to take care of our own survival, so an ant is not important. However, it is important that we have a job, find a mate, have succces, have sex, have friends and don't get killed. Now, since we as adults obviously screen a lot of stuff out -- and are often not even aware of it -- could there be something REALLY IMPORTANT that we constantly leave out of our stream-of-consciousness?? Not really important as in regards to survival; but important in regards to permanent happiness/peace ?? I'd say yes, and what our consciousness screen out is the otherwise obvious "fact" that everything, every experience, every living thing, every stone, every leaf, is an expression of ourselves and it is Love, it is play, it is Divine, it is not-serious at all, it's motherfucking nirvana, emptiness, Heaven, Paradise. That is fucking why the 3-year-old kid is excited by anything you show her, even a fucking ant. BECAUSE IT'S FUCKING GOD/LOVE! Haha. And when you finally can get this "fact" back into your stream-of-consciousness, you become a child again, in a sense. You are now awakened in heart. We must not forget the mind though. A kid is obviously deeply asleep in mind, since he has close to zero understanding of what is -- relatively speaking -- going on within the dream of life. It's funny: The adults in the day care center have a decent understanding of what is going on inside the dream of life, but they have close to zero clue that life is equal to heaven and heaven equal to life; but the kid "knows" this (until he develops an ego some years later and has to take care of his own survival). <3 Anyway, rant off. I love you James <3 _______________________________ Congratulations, by making such judgmental assessments about a person you haven't even met in real life, you clearly demonstrate to everyone here your own enormous inner ego ... Not that it matters. I love you and your ego <3 . The ego is not the problem. The ego is never the problem. Love the ego. Realize, that whenever you make an assessment --- any what-so-ever, even an assessment such as "I like blueberries over raspberries" --- you are (in a sense) working from ego. And by seeing that, you should also see, that ego is natural. Ego is God. Of course God has different preferences within her avatar-bodies. You see? That there exist preferences is natural -- it is a manfistation of love. If there didn't exist any preferences, there would not exist unconditional love either. All dualities must collapse from the highest perspective. 'preferences' <----> 'unconditional love' -- they are one and the same thing, ultimately. So you making an assessment that James is just a maniac and not-enlightened: that is ultimately perfectly fine! Just know, that by judging 'others' you are always simultaneously also judging yourself. 100%, both relatively and ultimately (hell, even this is just an illusory duality). But existing as a human being implies making certain assessments all the time. That's what we do. Jesus made assessments about lots of things. So did Buddha. Buddha and Jesus just made -- relatively speaking -- more loving and conscious assessments than most other folks do. But it's still play. We are all playing <3 I love you all <3

Ego means a lot of different things to me in different contexts. It actually depends on who I'm talking to a lot as well, hehe. Cos I'm very much aware of the meaningless'ness of all words (i.e. their illusory nature), i.e. that all discussions (oral or written) are games, language games. Anyway, if I could myself objectively define what all words meant, without giving any fuck to anyone else' thoughts on the matter (which you cannot do, but let's pretend) then the word 'ego' would mean this to me: 'you' = <Love/The Self/God/Consciousness/The Universe/Nothingness/The Absolute/Etc.> 'self' = <person/body/mind/human being/conceptual self> If you can become conscious of all ego inside you, you will realize that the person, you think you are, is: game/play/illusory/a character. The personality/selfhood/human body/mind in itself is NOT the "problem" here. Thoughts and emotions are in themselves NOT the problem. The "problem" is identification with thoughts and feelings, believing that they tell something absolutely true about your true nature. They don't. They are play. The goal is NOT to remove ego. The goal is to BECOME CONSCIOUS of ego and loving it. Love = Understanding = Becoming More Conscious = Transcending = Letting Go = Accepting = Being If your goal is to "remove something", then you are in a process of: nihilism, self-hate, seriousness, denial, resistance, depression (the opposite of free expression), 'holding on', 'attachment' (you are so attached to yourself; you take yourself so seriously that you believe something should be changed about you)) ... which is no good for you. Your goals should always be: More Love, More Understanding, More Consciousness, More Dissolving/Transcending (NOT REMOVING ANYTHING, LET IT BE AS IT IS!:D), Letting Go. ---------------------------------------------------------------- "Not all egos are the same. Would you agree?" In regards to the above definition, I just made, I'd say both yes and no. The essence/nature of ego is always the same: tension and holding on emotionally/conceptually to the idea of being 'a poor little me' stuck in an external cold world. However, the way it functions/appears within different persons is different. Ego/The Devil is sneaky as FUCK and can take on many, many forms. Enneagram type 5's ego fixation is greediness towards understanding: we want more, more, more. More concepts, more understanding. Never getting fullfilled, never thinking we are good enough to interact in the world. All types have different ego fixation. I think Enneagram is very, very, very useful and interesting, obviously as you can see :-) The ego fixation is each core type's way of protecting themselves against their deep truamatic feelings: i.e. their feelings of separateness/mortality. Paradoxically, the holding on to 'protection', i.e. the holding on to 'the ego fixation' is exactly what creates the feelings of separateness and mortality. So what do we got here? A self-fulfilling loop that never ends; unless you manage to step out of it/let go (hello meditation, hello psychedelics). ............ Anyway, not all persons are the same, obviously. We are all strange, unique and different. That's Love. That's Good. Personality is not a problem. Personality is not ego. Personality is -- like everything else -- an expression of the Intelligence/Infinity/Oneness of Love. -------------------------------- "Someone who has an inferior ego structure will have a completely different path of deconstruction or surrendering from someone who has a superior / narcissistic ego structure. I think that is a very important thing to be noted." Sure, we have different ego-fixations, and therefore we "need" different "things" in order to get out of these self-fulfilling loops. However, the essence/nature of every loop is the same: resistance and holding on to the idea of being a separate self stuck in an external world, especially with emotions "that tell you that it is true" (it is not: the external world is just as much you, as your body-mind/persona is you; i.e. Oneness is what is). "That is why a certain spiritual path might work perfectly fine for one person and not work at all for another. Not only that, but it can also be damaging and it can further perpetuate unconscious ways of being." Agreed. We must all follow our own way to truth. _____________________________________________ "Love is the one doing the loving - so to speak. The 'ego' does not have to do a thing. I would describe the process as 'coming back' for yourself. Or 'looking down' on yourself from Heaven - so to speak. That is Love honoring the experiencer." Agreed <3 Looking down on yourself from Heaven - I really dig that! When you can manage to do that, at all times, you are awakened (in my selfish book:D) <3

@JosephKnecht Thanks Joseph, awakened experiences is something it's difficult to 'touch on' without it having its own video but I get your point I would have liked to know more about which books, literature, learning methods you used to start your meditation journey. Sometimes it is nice to do a good "literature study" before you embark on a long journey that would last for years. <- This is great advice - thanks!

"Identification with the egoic mind is the sickness and Samadhi is the cure... The Saints sages and awakened beings throughout history have all learned the wisdom of self surrender. When you pierce through the Veil of Maya and let go of the illusory self what is left" -- Samadhi (Maya illusion of the self)

I am not awakened yet, so I am not completely sure about this... but... Does total infinity mean that every movie, book, game, fantasy, etc. is actually real? Is EVERY POSSIBILITY lived through by God / an ego / a subject / a conscious being? If so, how fucked up is that?! I know I will get there someday but for now, I cannot imagine how I would be able to actually love, enjoy, or accept such infinite degrees of suffering, pain, darkness, etc. This blows my fucking mind... Is it even possible for a human to be neutral about or enjoy something unimaginable horrible or is there always a limit to one's tolerance as long as one is in this limited human form? What are the craziest ramifications of total infinity you realized?

Also, just a note to myself: I'd say even the awakening of the heart is a spectrum. Of course some people are better at freely expressing themselves than others. I just had a major breakthrough upwards in this spectrum during my awakening. Like the glass got so full of love that it spilled over. But it's still a spectrum, and I can still improve my free expression. It's interesting to talk about what free expression even means. Free expression of what? Of yourself? Well, there is no self. So of what? Of course it's free expression of the absolute (i.e. Love/God). That's all. Everything that happens from all people -- even Trump -- are (in the Absolute Sense): Free Expressions of Love. You don't even have to say 'Free', because Love is per definition Free if it's absolute. However, the difference, relatively speaking, between the free expression of Jesus and Trump, is that: - Jesus is Love's Free Expression as it is --- i.e.: no-self, freedom, love. - Trump is Love's Free Expression of "the relative opposite of love/freedom": i.e. ego, limitation, hate. --- But even that is Love, of course. ------------------- Also (this is, as everything I write, just purely a conceptual framework for understanding what is happening within myself btw): of course when you combine the awakening of the heart and the awakening of the mind together, there happens something beautiful that is not just the sum of these two indiviudal conceputal parts. You get ACTUAL Freedom. Actual Liberation. Actual Love. Actual no-limits. An actual almost constant feeling of there being no self. An actual almost constant feeling of Oneness. You understand who you are and you express yourself freely, not just either. ------------------------- Now, I'm getting very selfish, but I can still only laugh at the people who blindly believe that enlightenment is equal to no ego. That's the worst nihilistic, awakening of the mind-only-trap, you can fall into believe. See: there is nothing wrong with ego. We are all Love in human-person-avatar-form. This implies that there will certain perferences (and you could call preferences a symptom of ego), i.e. there is still ego-energy. The difference between 'bad ego' and 'good ego' is simple: Consciousness. The more conscious you are of ego, i.e. yourself and all your sneaky selfish tricks, the more you can express yourself freely and the more you know yourself = the more "enligthened" you are, i.e. on a higher plance of conscious you are. Also notice this: you only understand something if you uncondtionally love it / accept it. As long as there is a tiny bit of resistance towards something, a tiny bit of 'hate', non-acceptance: then you don't understand it either. Understanding = Love , and this is where my conceptual framework of dividing awakening into heart and mind collapses (just like all dualities must). <3 Notice, that EVERY single time you make an assesment about something, i.e. I like blueberries more than raspberries, you are - in a sense - being egoic. What does ego mean in latin? "I" . As long as you still produce sentences, written or oral out of your mouth, you are working from an 'I'-perspective, i.e. from ego. Let me repeat: from a spiritual/awakening/enligthenment/liberation-perspective, all that matters here is whether you you are conscious of this or not. Conscious of all ego inside you? Enlightened. Still unconscious of something? Not fully unenlightened. Can you ever be fully conscious of all the ego inside you? Of course not. The mouth can never fully eat itself. The eyes can never fully see themselves. That's great. It'd be boring if you could know everything. So in that sense, enlightenment can be viewed as a never ending path. Especially also when you start defining yourself ( "I" / ego) as not just what is insider your bag of skin, but also as everything around you. Your thirst for understanding )(LOVE!) becomes infinite, and you can always understand more, love more <3 Understanding = Love So all the dudes on this forum who keep making assesments about whether x or y is awakened or not: It's all fine, there are no problems with it. EXCEPT if you unconsciously think you can make such judgments without being egoistical. Look, I do it too. I'm egoistical as fuck. My enlightenment has in a sense made me more egoistical. Ego is going amok. It's just loving, conscious ego. I know I am nothing and everything at the same time. I know if I call you a moron I'm calling myself a moron. But therefore I'd still like to call myself a moron sometimes. Also yes, everything I just wrote here are concepts and are egoistical concepts. Concepts can per definition NOT not be egoistical. Everything ever written on this forum by anyone has been written from an ego-standpoint, from "I". But no problem. As long as you love it. As long as you are conscious of it. Heck, even if you are deeply stuck in ego/hate/limitation/depression and make unconscious projections 24/7: even that is Love, that is fine too... absolutely speaking... relatively speaking it's pretty bad I must admit. <3 Ultimately, Ego = God . No difference. Non-duality 101, you know? <3 Also realize, everything I just wrote here, whether you vibe with it or not: It's nonsense. It's meaningless words repating themselves, and you thinking you understand or not, agree or disagree. I love you <3

It is. Sure, I appreciate ppl in here playing devils' advocate towards dudes and girls seeking enligthenment. Cos that is what is often needed to make them see the irrationality of their "logic" (this contradicts what I just said before, I know:D) . Human beings are inherently irrational creatues. All the logic we apply to our feelings is just "our feelings' way" of distancing ourself (concept-self) from ourself (feelings). We are emotional creatues. We are feelings. We are not thinking creatues. Sure, humans have the unique ability to be able to think and be self-conscious (= live in concepts). So in that sense we are thinking creatures BUT. Feelings ALWAYS come first. It's the top priority. It is what is, in a sense. It is "real", while thinking/concepts is not. All that matters in a human life is ultimately to become happy. We all seek permanent happiness. If you think you can get it by external factors (which 90+% of ppl do,), you'll never be really happy. We have to go an inner journey (spirituality) and find our true self; there lies true happiness. Awakening of the Heart = constant non-resistance towards any feelings/impulses. Free expression is now possible. Before awakening of the heart there is pretty much only depression (no free expression) in a human life, except for fleeting moments of pure expression (= merging with the Now). Awakening of the Mind/rational thinking = understanding the Truth relatively/conceptually/rationally, i.e. that we are all One (pretty easily obtainable for INTP's and 5's in Enneagram by the way). 90+% of adult humans are forever asleep in both mind (rational thinking) and heart (non-resistance towards feelings). All animals -- and also human babies -- are born "awake" in Heart, but completely asleep in Mind. Animals are forever stuck asleep in mind (i.e. this is what makes them forever awake in Heart, you see?). As human babies grow to become teenagers they become insanely asleep in Heart (development of ego-energy), while remaining pretty much still asleep in Mind, as well. However, all humans have the potential to awaken in both Heart as well as Mind. And this is important. Awakening of both = what I consider to be an actual enlightened woman / man. Awakening of Heart only and close to zero Mind = what we could call a Zen Devil in an outward destructive way. He lacks understanding of what he has awakened to. This is pretty much the same as becoming an ape in a suit, even more ape-like than normal ppl who are still asleep in Heart, you see? Because now there is no egoic constraints (no ego energy; ego can be "good as well" in regards to making us civilized; ofc you don't need it when both mind and heart is awakened), no problems of self-image (since you intuitively, emotionally know you are not a self; you just don't understand the logical ramifcations of this, since you are still asleep in mind). This means that a dude who is awakened only in Heart and almost zero Mind could actually express impulses that are "bad", not in accordance with "The Law of Oneness"; such as for example rape, and I don't know what. I mean, I think all guys have fantazied about raping at least once in their life (lets get real, many times for most probably). It can turn on us, fantasizing about it (destructive masculine energy, hello), but we usually get embarrased afterwards, because of problems with our self-image as "good person". It is "good" that we get embarrased about it, even though the embarrasment comes from ego-energy. If we didn't get embarrased about, such as a dude who has awakened in Heart but not Mind, we could actually react to such impulses and do horrible things ... to ourself... because the women you then rape is of course ultimately also you (Oneness, hello). Awakening of Mind only = what we also could call a Zen Devil, just in a more civilized way, a more inward destructive way. This is basically what nihilism is. You adopt a mindset of "nothing matters" cos you conceptually know it's all game (it's all one). However, you of course don't FEEL that. So you are still depressed as fuck. Awakening of Mind and not Heart may be what "Dark night of the Soul" is all about. In that sense, Awakening of the Mind can also impact you emotionally, just in a "bad" way, until the suffering you then go through leads you to awakening of the Heart :-) Awakening of the Mind - without Heart - can also easily lead one to gigantic spiritual egos, cos you may conceptually think you are enlightened and got it all figured out, while you still emotionally of course feel like a separate self, which means your projected enlightenment onto yourself is very fake and dishonest (even if you don't even see that dishonesty, cos you're so detached from your emotions in your swimmingpool of nihilism). I think there are many dudes who follow Leo, who are probably somewhat awakened in Mind, but still lacks the Heart. The Heart is the toughest part, especially because the Awakening of the Mind in a sense hinders it (and in another sense doesn't, of course). I don't even know if it's possible to awaken in Heart without Mind first. I did Mind first (gradually over the past 5 years, while my Heart finally exploded ~1 month ago). I think Mind is an infinite spectrum, whereas I see Heart as more black/white, but that just how it felt to me). When you have awakened in both mind and heart you do express yourself freely, but with one important rule always in mind: "The Law of Oneness" (you know conceptually, intuitively and emotionally that all other human beings are you, so of course you won't hurt them, as hurting them is 100% equal to hurting "yourself".) Again, if you were only awakened in mind, you could per definition still not express yourself freely (due to ego), and if you were only awakened in heart, you could per definition still hurt others/yourself, since you lacked understanding (you *FEEL* as a no-self-God, but you don't really understand what's going on). This is why it is so important to try to awaken both parts. Of course theory and books and videos from masters (Leo, Eckhart, Alan Watts, Spira, Matt Kahn) are VERY important in regards to awakening of both, especially the Mind. But the Heart can ultimately only be awakened with direct experience. Even Awakening of the Mind requires direct experience (just not in the same ultimate way), or it at least helps a lot. The deep mystical thing about the direct experience needed for the awakening of the Heart, is exactly that: what is it that is needed to awaken the Heart? I can describe conceptually what is needed, but even that misses the point entirely LOL (cos it's not conceptual). It is sort of inherently mystical. As if it is pre-determined by Intelligent Love which characters that will awaken the Heart, and which that won't. As if whatever method that worked for you only worked for you because it was predetermined. I.e. I used psychedelics, primarily Ayahuasca and 2C-B, to awaken my heart, but to say that I was awakened BECAUSE of them is not nessecarily true. There are probably countless people who have done AYahuasca and 2C-B without ever having woken up in Heart. Psychedelics are obviously just tools put into the dream my Me/You/God/Love for a very specific purpose. Just like everything else by the way. Psychedelics work for some, and for some it does not. However, even for those where it does not work, it really does still seem to just have plain healing properities in regards to regular self-development and treating mental illness. It's like psychedelics are a built in Self-Correction tool. Of course they can also do damage/be misused. Of course. It obviously happened to WaveInTheOcean without WaveInTheOcean's doing. TO even talk about WITO's doing is falsehood. There is only one Self. The Self's doing is all there is. Which is the same as Love's doing, God's doing, etc etc etc. Oneness Oneness Oneness. So yeah i didn't have anything to do with it. It just happened. That's also how it felt during the peak of my last 2CB-trip. It didn't come from me. It was synchronicity upon synchronicity upon synchronicity to infinity. All life is of course 100% synchronicities, cos it's God's dream! However, during that 2C-B trip that was only what I saw clearly: only synchronicites. Only intelligent loving 'doings' is possible in this dream. Even what we outwardly perceive to be 'bad' is 100% good. Of course. <3 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ .......... ........ ...... ..... ........ Great song right? .... ... ... .... Now what is the name of the song? The name of the song is obvious (it's right in front of your eyes), but you miss it. Why? Due to unconscious pattern-recognition built into you. "Ego" works in pretty much exactly the same way. And it is - more or less - the same mechanisms that hinders everyone from remembering that they are the Absolute. Ego = social survival mechanisms. Ego isn't a thing. Of course it's dream. But relatively speaking, we could say that 'ego' is all that in your avatar-character (person/separate self) that makes you believe that you are that character, i.e. a separate self, a human being, a poor 'little me' stuck in an external, physical, cold world that could not care less about my existence, which scientists say is a biological accident. Ego is all that energy and tension inside you, that makes you insist (at least emotionally) that you exist as a separate self that will eventually die.

You are not awakened. You have to be awake to You to understand it. This conversation ends. Thank you.

Its possible but the only way you can discover for yourself is to experience a nondual experience. You are assuming or entertaining there are separate universes. The sheer act of looking outside instantaneously creates another universe. Its the ego that is looking ahead that is the creator. It will be a never-ending loop until you realize in full circle its you. Sure there might be aliens, and if they ever get in contact with us, despite them being more technologically advanced than us they will be more primitive compared to a human that has awakened. If they never woken up to the importance of the observer then they can be considered less advanced metaphysically and spiritually. This will hold true even if the alien race created earth and humans eons ago.

Spiritually Awakened people are Love drunkards.

God doesn't exist, yet God does exist. It is you. But you are not God. Now quit the word games.:D become the absolute whatever it is (you already are it, only you don't see it, cos you aint seeing clearly.) Human ppl are in the same position as a thinking fish swimming around in the ocean looking for this absolute, divine and mystical thing called Water. The Fish Bible talks about it. The thinking fish swims around all life either unconsciously (stage orange) or consciously searching for it (stage blue, green), but he never finds it, exactly because it is right in front of his eyes. All that hinders you from becoming the absolute is rational & emotional beliefs about what it is. You already are it. All that hinders you from seeing it is all the mud in front of your outward looking glasses. Look inward instead while simultaneously letting go of mud (concepts). Letting go is the same as loving. Take one more psychedelic and stop dicking around. Sure, concepts/rational thinking is needed for the mind to awaken. But I'm talking about awakening of the heart, which is much, much more massive in its emotional impact on your dream-avatar-character (i.e the separte self/person you *know* you are, at least still emotionally for 90+% of peeps on this forum.) Sure, you *know* conceptually that you are God, but emotionally you are still lost as a separate self, which really is what matters the most in my own egoic conditions of whether a person is awakened or not..., now don't tell me a person cannot awaken. If you wanted to, then realize I was consciously talking very contextually within the dream itself Everyone, shut the fuck up, embrace not-knowing (i.e. let fully go of yourself/ALL of your ideas), love yourself and everything; then take a psychedelic. And then we don't have to talk anymore (ofc we will still do it for kicks ? but we'll all be on the same page more or less). Also Ivan, i dont know if you see it or not (emotionally speaking). Maybe you do see ? Of course, it is not nessecarily black/white, this emotionally <either getting 'it'> (this Oneness/Love-thing) or <not>. It could be a spectrum. Except it is actually not, I'd say, but I may be wrong. Anyone care to put their thoughts on this???

You can have both, but absolute happiness only comes from true Self-Realization. Then everything else is simply an expression of this happiness, love and understanding. I don't think Leo is anti-success, I think he just advocates conscious success with things like his LP course and using your talents for good, which when done properly will bring you lots of material success, which it's great to enjoy! The point is success alone will not bring lasting absolute happiness, BUT it can be very enjoyable and a great way to spend your life when done consciously, after all life is a game to be enjoyed, spend it how YOU want to, not how Leo wants to, we're all unique beings after all. You could definitely be an enlightened athlete or musician, and I'm sure over the next few decades we will see more and more of these beings in all walks of life helping to transform their own fields in the best ways possible, Sadhguru talks about the beauty of Sport a lot actually. Spirituality for centuries has remained in the fringes of society, we are only now so lucky to have Non-Dual teachings on our fingertips, 30 years ago you had to order a book and wait weeks just for than nagging question to remain unanswered, now we have an abundance of teachers and teachings at the click of a button, as a result more and more people will become interested in this work, and more and more 'normal' awakened beings will emerge from all walks of life, it certainly is an exciting time to be alive

? The main difference is that between waking up through the mind or waking up through the heart - I'd say. Mind is all masculine, indeed. But it's also the very thing that's holding many back. Look around... Toxic masculinity is by far the dominant energy, in all ways possible. Things must be balanced out. One does not fight fire with fire. Integration of both 'aspects' is what results in a well - balanced, awakened being, imo. Loving and Wise. - Not just one or the other.

Before I found Leo and this community I always thought I was broken. I grew up not really having a strong identity. I mimicked others like characters in my favourite movies, or people I met who seemed to have their shit together. I watched and tried to act like they acted, talk the way they talked, did what they were doing. In the back of my mind I knew that this was all a game, a play, and I was the actor in it. I always felt that there was something wrong with me though. I could feel other peoples egos very strongly and I couldn't understand how they were so sure of themselves and why they got angry about everything and why all their actions were done out of selfishness. I was always in my own head analyzing people and society. I only saw the love in things, I wanted to make everyone happy and comfortable and ease their pain somehow. I used to talk to my family and close friends about not having an identity and they couldn't really understand me. I read psychology and sociology textbooks that stressed the importance of developing an identity in adolescence to move into adulthood like there were concrete "stages" that people had to go through. I got brainwashed into thinking that I was broken, and I missed my opportunity to develop an identity, and that I would be lost forever. This lead me to a long period of struggle and suffering, not really being able to find a purpose or a drive. Everything I did just felt like acting. I picked a safe career that my parents approved of and dated a lot of girls that had very strong egos and problems that I tried to fix (which I couldn't because I didn't understand myself yet). And in all that I was dealing with an inferiority complex that stemmed from the belief of being broken and worthless. Ironically, that sort of became my identity. But since I've started listening to Leo and other non-duality teachers. Things are starting to click into place. I realize that I wasn't broken at all, and that I was just not building my ego at the same rate as everyone else. Because my ego is so weak, I can clearly see what all of you are talking about here. It totally makes sense to me that all we are is a complete fiction, a story, a construct. All the beliefs that I have are so easily broken down now because they were all things that I picked up consciously in the first place and I never held on to them tightly anyways. I've been self-Inquiring and deconstructing beliefs and thoughts for a few years now. It's all starting to come together. I have a strong intuitive sense that this reality is One, Consciousness, Love, Infinity. I haven't awakened yet, and the unknown sort of scares me. I may not have an "identity" but I do have a strong bond to my friends and family and I have a "healthy" fear of death. I don't know if I should even be going further in this path because I've found a lot of relief from deconstructing alone, but I sort of feel like I've peeked behind the curtain and I don't think there is any stopping this train now. ? Anyone else had these identity issues growing up and found answers in Leo's work?

Karma yoga is one of the mainstream yogic paths, usually done with a combination of bakhti and gyan, so he's just wrong here lol. He also seems very ethnocentric. 'dont awaken serpents because serpent bad hur dur'...tf kind of logic was he on about there ahaha. I highly doubt he's awakened, if somenoes looking to this guy for spiritual growth then I'd say they're looking in the wrong areas-but what do I know, I'm not awake .

I’ve watched a fair bit of this bloke and I think it’s difficult to deny he’s on the ball with this stuff. Clearly a different personality type to most awakened people ya tend to come across. But listen to the the things he says and how he talks about it. For me he’s clearly where he claims to be. Gifted I don’t know, as he’s put in a lot of work. Personally I’d say his works paid off more than just being outright gifted. But unless being around the guy and actually getting to know him a bit, then it’s all a bit of guess work I suppose

The Fourth Way in general refers to the inner and outer parts of the centers. Personality is at the outer part of the centers. Contact with the inner parts of the centers reveals essence. Different aspects of essence. Distinguishing Physical Sensation from Essential Substance The capacity to sense oneself must become so refined that the individual can discriminate between physical sensation and the sensation of essential substance. It is not enough that the mind be quiet. It is also necessary for the body to be sensitive. The mind can be quiet while the body is deadened. The body has to be awakened so that the center of sensing, the belly center, can be activated. The belly center, or what Gurdjieff called the physical center, is the center of sensing for all parts of the body. Its deepest function is the subtle sensing, the sensing of essential presence, that the Sufis call the organ for touch. Touch is, in a sense, the most intimate of the physical senses. The skin must be directly against an object to touch it. There is no intermediary medium, like sound for hearing or light for seeing. So this subtle capacity is a very intimate one. Accurately speaking, it is sensing essence by being essence. It is the most direct way of perception. This capacity of touch, connected with the belly center, is very intimately connected with the embodiment of essence. It is the body center; its mode of perception is embodiment. Here, perception as touch, and being, are the same act. So this capacity is the most important one. Essence with the Elixir of Enlightenment, pg. 130 from Glossary page - https://www.diamondapproach.org/glossary/refinery_phrases/belly-center

Which ego? :-) Where is it? Can you show me, please. Where does it exist? What is it made out of? What does it look like? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am fully aware that, ultimately, there is absolutely "no one" who ever wakes up. But for the love of God, we live inside the dream, and if this forum has to have any purpose, we have to collectively accept that it is possible for any characther inside the dream to wake up..., wake up as in the sense that it's God waking up through these characters to itself. I have realized I am God/Love, I know I'm God, and I'm directly aware I'm sitting here on a forum talking to myself. Right now. The question is, are you? If not, how come? Wake up There is no one here To even say God is here is ultimately false. All we say with words is completetly and utterly false. The Truth can't be spoken. Instead, the Truth can only be something you become/directly experience. Become it then. Experience it. But what? You say, you don't know what it is. But I tell you: YOU DO! IT IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR EYES. That's how obvious it is! Like a fish swimming around in the ocean, looking for "water", that's what we are all doing, pre-awakening. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes, I know it's pointless to write "I'm awakened", cos all it will do is create resistance in all the other egoic victim-minds sitting here. It's better to show than tell. However, in this case with this dude, bashing Connor's videos, and acting like he himself knows what's up and down -- when he obviously does not -- I thought, hell, why the fuck not. At least I hope I can provocate some emotion inside him, hate,... that he can at least be honest about that. Honesty is key. Can you guys at least be honest? Where is the ego, now, again?

You are very, very confused. Let me try to break it down for you, even though you will resist what I'm saying with all the ego you can confjure up (makes me question why I do this, but what the fuck, why do anything at all, one might say). 1. You say you don't look down on him, then proceed to obviously look down on him. Hilarious 2. Where am I defending him in my post exactly? Quote me 3. I could not give a bigger fuck whether or not he is awakened. Really. All I'm doing here is pointing out how fucking amazingly funny it is that you - on the other hand - is not giving a fuck about it, hehe. What I give a fuck about, though, is the wisdom of the words he is spitting out in his youtube-vidoes lately. Focus on the words, instead of the person. His latest video is basically 21 minutes of pure truth-dropping. I love what he's saying. I don't give a fuck about whether or not he is awakened, although to me, he is one of the most awakened dudes I've come across lately. It's fine that you disagree, but I'm just blown away of the wisdom in this video: 4. " I was in it for the development of health, weight gain and euphoria of exercise" . Oh right, you were, I forgot that So why did you want to develop better health and gain weight? For what purpose, exactly? If you say "to have a healthier body", then I ask again: Why do you want to have a healthier body? If you say "It feels nice", I may ask: "Why do you want it to feel nice?" Who wants to have a healthier body, who wants it to feel nice? Also why the fuck gain some muscle, anyway? Not to impress the girls, that's for sure, right? 5. I haven't watched his earlier videoes except of just skimming through his old channel, and by looking at the video thumbnails I can clearly see that only people who were still very much stuck in orange would watch these kind of videos. 6. "Hierarchies in this work are delusional." Oh, they are? In which "work", you say? So Trump was as equally awakened/liberated/enlightened/selfless as Jesus? Is that what you are saying? 7. Anyway, let's for a moment pretend that all humans on Earth are on the same level of consciousness -- no hierachies as you say -- and then look at what you wrote: "He completely adorned the superficiality of the gym lifestyle, which I found to be demonstrably depreciate it. " If there are no hierarchies, how come you call something as innocent as "gym lifestyle" superficial? Is it really any more superficial than you and me sitting on an internet forum discussing whether or not a random dude could be awakened or not? Is it more superficial than a man sitting in a cave meditating 24-7-365 ??? If yes, why? If no, then why call it superficial? Superficial according to who's standards? Superficial in regards to what, exactly? 8. "My estimation is that he is stuck in the territory of self-concept and ego, through which his rants are taking place and subduing others. Hence, his dualistic rants and pontificating." Why do you even spend time conjuring up an estimation of him? If he's just talking random dualistic ego-shit out of his mouth, why do you even care to attack him at all? If it's so obvious that he's talking nonsense, why do you take so much of your sweet time to attack the obvious? "territory of self-concept and ego" .. which territory exactly? There is no ego, ultimately speaking. You can't find it, cos it doesn't exist. Of course, relatively speaking there is ego. ((( Ego is all that in our personalities/mind which keep on insisting that We (We = Love = God = Consciousness) are not Love/Oneness but instead an isolated human being, a separate person, a 'poor little me', lacking something, and fearing the brutal cold, outside world, which will us no good. ))) ... ...Which also means that, relatively speaking, it makes perfect sense to talk about different levels of consciousness. Yes, ultimately speaking, we are all One, and Trump = Buddha = Love = Me = You. ... But it doesn't really make any sense at all to try to speak of the ultimate truth, really, because words can only point to it, nothing more. We can't state the truth with words, only talk about it. To get the truth, one must directly experience it, become it. So let's get some relative truths on the board now, shall we,: This dude has awakened to Oneness. I am awakened, too, and therefore my opinion on the matter is infinitly more valuable than your egoic, selfish, victim-mindset-beyond-obvious-shadow-projection critique of him. That you call his recent talks in his videos for "dualistic rants" makes me question if you have ever read a spiritual book or watched a spiritual video. Maybe you have. And maybe, instead, you are just insanely mad at yourself and him. For obvious reasons. And mad alone can't do it. You probably feel justified to feel that you should always be more "spiritual mature" than a guy who has made a living of posting "empty" Stage-Orange-content on a Youtube-channel. So not only are you mad, you are jealous, deeply sad (deep inside) and full of resentment. You feel like a 'poor little me', which is now imposing his beliefs to the this meaningless forum, about whether or not some random dude is awakened. Like it fucking matters. So therefore, if you want me to brutally honest, you are deluded and confused beyond what I thought was possible for someone on this forum to be. (Ultimately speaking, this means that I am that, and it saddens me, but it's also hilarious). Really, what is happening here, is that Connor is just expressing himself freely. He couldn't give a bigger fuck what you and I think of him. And what are you doing here? All you do is talking him down and criticizing him. For what fucking purpose? Stop masturbating around in your own egoic circle-jerk-victim-mind and start expressing yourself freely, like he does. Write/do something that means someting to you and the world, really, instead of just talking other people down. Yes, I'm also talking you down now, but I have to talk low-conscious-ego-stupidity down when I see it. Sure, get mad at me, that's the best thing you can do. The fucking least you can do. The most honest thing. Express yourself as freely and authentically as you can. Don't resist it. Be fucking mad. Be mad at Connor for having gotten ahead of you on "the spiritual journey". Be mad at me for being an arrogant prick towards you right now. Be fucking honest with yourself. Honesty is the least you can practice. I honestly haven't read a more dishonest post -- than this one of yours -- on this forum since I joined. At least be fucking honest with yourself, brother. Much Love <3

Haha how did I know you would assume such a thing in defence of him ? Firstly, I never insinuated that I am above him or look down upon him. No one is above nor below anyone. Hierarchies in this work are delusional. You have superimposed this as an opinion. No that is not an accurate assessment. You’ve made an extremely naive assumption in stating that. I’ve never really been fond of Conners work. He always embellished egocentricity and pig headedness when it came to the fitness lifestyle. It was more about the “looks” and it’s perks than the investment factors that underlined it. I was in it for the development of health, weight gain and euphoria of exercise. He completely adorned the superficiality of the gym lifestyle, which I found to be demonstrably depreciate it. And now he assumes he is single handedly “awakened” having been deluded for a copious number of years. His fooling himself. I doubt your assertions on the matter. My estimation is that he is stuck in the territory of self-concept and ego, through which his rants are taking place and subduing others. Hence, his dualistic rants and pontificating. Be open to such a possibility that he may not be what you’ve so recently assumed he is, which from the mounting evidence seems highly probable.

"Simply because, one does not awaken, awakening awakens to itself. " I like that, thank you. I agree very much. Good answer. ------------------------------------------------ So you were a gym/stage-orange/PUA-junkie (like Connor). But now you have moved pass that and are now spiritual (stage green/yellow/turquoise w/e). And now you "look down" on Connor -- your former "teacher", who you then saw to ultimately be a noob (spiritually talking). Seems like classical psychological unconscious projection to me =D "Awakening is not an instant bypass, it requires meticulous and arduous embodiment. Far more than that of a single mystical experience." I agree. But could it be that Connor -- like you have -- have actually been interested in awakening/spirituality for +3 years and that he just recently (1-2 months ago) got a "breakthrough" ? ... ...And that you for some unconscious reasons simply cannot be open to that possiblity? :-D Be open at least. As you say, what does "awakening" even mean?. There is no one here to awaken. Connor has not awakened obviously; Awakening has awakened to it self, as you say; this is always the case <3

@Jacobsrw sorry I have not read the whole thread, but may I ask, how come you have watched so many of Connors earlier stage-orange videos? (personally i have never heard of him until last month). also what does "awakening" mean to you? when are you truly awakened? are you awakened? <3

@Jacobsrw So if i unterstood you right, materialism and hedonism cannot go hand in hand with spiritual growth because it reinforces the self. So here is something to think about young boy: Connor had this spiritual growth preciesly because he had this materialism and hedonism too much. He even said in his last videos that this was the main reason he went into depression because this hedonism did not make him happy. So he was in a desperate situation, he had everything materialistic thing possible and he realized this will not make him happy at all, which gave him the spiritual growth he has right now. You see, hedonism and materalism can make you a very spiritual person in the end. The more he was invested in hedonism, the more it was clear how hollow this is and parallel his pursuing in spirituality awakened more and more

@JacobsrwAt least I can it more than you. You can do everything with consciousness, so even eating meat and enjoy life can therefore very spiritual. Think about it Another fact is, that not all your acting must be spiritual, lol I dont say he is awakened. But what you said, that his spiritual side is fake because he did not show it the videos before, that is what I want to show you that your conclusions could be wrong