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These are definitely patterns that can be noticed. Men have a lot of (often arbitrary and harmful) expectations placed upon them. There is particularly an expectation to compete on some random patriarchal hierarchy and to always be strong and suppress their emotions. I don't envy men for this. It's harder for men to grow themselves emotionally and psychologically because so many circles still expect men to just "man up" and bottle their emotions. And men are also viewed as being somehow less precious of a life than women and children. On top of this, men will often police other men's masculinity. So, it is no surprise that the male suicide rate is so high. So, I mostly agree with her perspective on men as I have noticed these patterns. However, men do have many advantages over women in terms of the power structures in society as they have high expectations projected upon them instead of low expectations projected upon them like women do. But it is these same high expectations that put men in a situation where they must hide their vulnerability, thus leaving them with a disadvantage in relation to their inner life. Now, as far as critique goes... because of her making this a "man vs woman" thing, I question her motives. And I've seen references to her in other videos where there's a lot of pro-man/anti-woman sentiments. And it is clear to me that she has some issues with feminine repression and internalized misogyny. I suspect that she gets a feeling of power out of being a loophole woman that isn't like the other girls. And if you go on videos like this with women sharing these videos that are sympathetic to men and that are anti-sympathetic to women or anti-feminist, you'll find cadres of men praising/worshipping them in the comments. When I was a child/teen, I used to do some version of the same thing, where I'd say that men have it worse than women and that women are worse than men and guys would gush over me. And I felt like I could have more power in the situation that way by appealing to guys. And it was something that made it possible for me to feel like I was an honorary guy and feel like I was escaping being like a girl... like I was going to be seen in a different light from all other women and escape the fate of being a member of the weaker sex. And it also, in my jealousy and misogyny towards other girls, made me feel more desirable than them because I'd get more positive male attention. It's like I could view myself in a special category of my own where I could deny my girlhood and identify more with the perspective of maleness to avoid being trashed on and disempowered for being a girl. I had internalized misogyny and saw women as inferior to men, and so I could do this to escape my own judgments of inferiority by seeing myself in a different category from other girls/women all together. Like there were three gender designations: men, women, and Emerald. And this lead me to repress my femininity and to exaggerate my masculinity. I wanted so desperately to be a girl that wasn't a girl. And this lead to a lot of deep wounds around my feminine side. So, I look at this woman, and I see myself where I was half my life ago with my own internalized misogyny. And a response to disempowerment and trying to feel like queen among men, where I would be able to distance myself from the inferior gender that I didn't want to see myself as and to ally myself with what I saw as the superior gender. And then I could impress guys with my feminine charms and masculine sympathies and have the power to make them respect me... leaving me superior to women and a true equal to men, but with the added benefit of being aesthetically female. I could be a man on the inside and thus superior personality-wise and a woman and the outside and thus superior... like a man wrapped up in a prettier package. All of this to escape my self-hatred, feelings of inferiority, and internalized misogyny. But yes, she is correct with what she's saying. Men do experience that. But I suspect she wouldn't be willing to accept that the roots of male disposability are patriarchal expectations... the same thing that creates her very own internalized misogyny.
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I agree with a lot of her points in regards to men having this pressure to be provider. I have watched other videos by this woman because she occasionally pops up in my tiktok. She does have some points, but there is a lot of internalized misogyny on her part (not referrring to this particular video but she has the whole iM nOT liKE otheR giRLs / pick me mentality) My thing with MRA is that a lot of people in this group advocating for men's issues have a valid point but they have a tendency to demonize feminism for those problems instead of seeing them as ways the patriarchy also screws over men. The whole provider archetype is a product of the patriarchy and the gender role that the patriarchy presents. Women get the short hand of the stick because of them having their rights and agency taken away but even though men have the upper hand, the system ultimately doesn't work for them either. Men are expected to suck it up, avoid expressing their feelings, and supress their emotional needs. That's why there are also higher suicide rates for men because they are less likely to open up and get help or embrace their vulnerabilities in order to connect with others and have a support system. MRAs see these issues and the disposability of men and assume that feminism is making things worse when actually most feminists do address this concern. This concern is addressed by the notion that the feminine is typically repressed and denied for both men and women. The feminine, emotions, and vulnerability is seen as weak and that hurts everyone including men.
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@Preety_India Its possible, i think there is a aspect that is more primitive for base survival and another layer that is adaptive that can override it. Like suicide is fighting a very strong primitive wiring, why it makes it so hard. Theres got to be some aspects that are general fixed and the rest is adaptive. Celebrities vs Porn stars have some aspect that is general fixed attractiveness and the rest is preference.
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nahtanoj replied to infinitelovegodetc's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
The worst trip on weed was getting this thoughts that suicide was ok it got me freaked out because I have never ever think of suicide or trying it. I love this life. Idk where that come from maybe it was some shadow part of me speaking. Crazy stuff. -
Exactly. I too have thought about commiting suicide in the past, and one thing that I found helpful in those moments was imagining that I had already killed myself - and that now I am simply a wandering spirit on this earth that has literally nothing to lose anymore. From here on out it's all just a game; every road is open to me, I can try out anything without fear of loss or failure, nothing can actually harm me because I am already dead. (Which in a sense you are, if you think about it... you will definitely die sooner or later, so the sentence has already been handed out and the gavel has been pounded, so to speak, which sort of makes you a dead man walking. And as grim as that might sound at first, it is actually an immensely liberating thought if you really let it sink in!)
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You're wrong about it. Please don't say it is nobody. That's veru close minded to say. Yes there is little to no survival agenda involved in Game B. But that does not mean nobody does it. Have you heard about lovers dying for each other or commiting suicide together? Have you heard about true stories of a couple who hang around even when the other person got cancer or lost a leg in an accident or is completely disabled? Of course for the healthier partner it's a huge burden to carry but they find emotional satisfaction in doing so. It's not like a game but a relationship with great emotional intensity. A very good example of game B is this video
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@Dunnel Maybe i took this to literally. I read his past posts to get an idea of his issues before commenting. Its surprising but hes a rational type that thinks hes always smarter then the comment hes reading. Everything people write is wrong sais his "rational" thinking mind. Stuck in a endless self defeating rational loop. He needs to recognize that his thinking process just drove him into a pit. Therefor proof his thinking mind is not worth listening to. “We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.” Albert Einstein Communication does not work with him, hes to clever, he can run circle around any topic. Hes using the same thinking that got him into this mess, it wont work, it needs to be thrown out the window and relearned from scratch. Ive been to the end of suicide/dispair and back, bed ridden for years, the only thing that got me out of it was a paradigm shift. Im betting its the same for him.
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Nowadays i no longer need to justify my ethics, as i have come to find i never could justify any of it, only connect causes to effects and act congruently, of course until the exceptions emerge in existence which before it i could not even attribute an essence. Suicide is a being ending itself, but it is in what the action itself IS NOT but in its context we can make rationals, ideas and theories regarding the oughts and oughtn'ts of the action. And thereto judge them by means of our values (wherever they may be acquired). What do you believe happens if you made it an end today? Or rather, what won't happen? Let us piece out some effects to their causes without fooling ourselves they came justly.
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There is massive poverty in my country India and other Third World countries. I myself came from extreme poverty. I might lose my job next month and I don't have much left because of my piling medical bills. The medical conditions are also a result of working hard under stress for many years. The education system is stressful and brutal. I cannot think of the horrors of poverty again. There is no security for the poor, the rising prices means its too hard to get a place to rent. Real estate prices are sky high. A lot of businesses are shutting down because of corona including the place I work at. There are no stimulus packages in my country. I think a Universal Basic Income is greatly necessary in poor countries to get people out of poverty.. Also most jobs are procured by men in my country. Women are offered much less pay or not offered the job at all. Most women struggle to get a job in my country because of the gender dynamics always being in the favor of men. This causes a lot of women to be forced into arranged marriages for survival. It's a tough situation to be caught in. Most people don't prefer to have daughters and daughters are generally considered a burden by most families. My idea is that a universal basic income in my country and other similar countries would be a great way to lift people out of poverty and offer them some hope in terms of survival. I also think there should be a strict population control agenda put in order by World Health Organization or similar entities to control the overpopulation in India and other eastern countries that are overpopulating the planet. The population in my country is too hard to cope with. Traveling is difficult. If you're at the doctor's office, there are just too many people. The doctors get tired attending to so many people. Too many suicides because of despair and joblessness and family issues. I think India is stuck in a rut. Stage Blue Dogma and corruption is eating out the system alive. It causes massive suffering because nobody cares about the environment or the community or social issues. People tend to become extremely selfish. The downside of such Universal Basic Income is that people will keep producing more kids. Which leads to more unemployment, strain on resources and more poverty. If people are incentivised to get an income without producing more kids, and care more about community and environment, a lot of our problems in third world countries can be handled. The population problem itself has turned into a stiff bottleneck causing massive unemployment and exploitation as desperate people turn to desperate measures. I learn about suicides daily. Some of my friends committed suicide because of unemployment and they come from middle class families and they couldn't deal with the pressure of mounting financial distress. People seem to understand the gravity of the situation only when the gun is turned on them. As long as the gun is on another person's temple, nobody cares. People just let others fall through the cracks. The question is how long is the suffering in third world countries going to continue. Every leader elected is either stage Red or stage Blue and there is no leadership, no solving issues, either they make problems worse through corruption or they are simply indifferent and choose to turn a blind eye. The conditions in third world countries are nightmarish. There is no insurance from government and even if it exists, it's all namesake. Government hospitals are a joke and private clinics raise a huge bill. There are hardly any psychological resources for people, extremely few psychiatrists per capita. The nation is dealing with a silent wave of depression as a result of decades of poverty and crisis. Child abuse is rampant. Rape is rampant. There is no safety or any concept of social security. Law enforcement is a joke. There is no 911....just no public security services. You only rely on your family and most family dynamics are shitty. There are no social services to ask for assistance from in case your family kicks you out or harasses you. Just recently an actor committed suicide a week ago because of family harassment.. It's like a daily story. Everyday Someone ends up as the victim in this Russian Roulette. People turn a blind eye to each other's problems because they don't want to disturb their cushy positions. People are used to seeing suffering and simply ignoring it. There are no social security benefits in case things go south in your life. No cover. No protection. Government erected buildings for any sort of hope are a joke because they are unclean with no electricity, no basic facilities and no resources. I think a major overhaul is needed in third world countries because most people feel trapped by virtue of being born in such unfortunate circumstances. It's not someone's fault if they are born in such environments. But living in a third world country is a total nightmare and I feel sorry for anyone who feels trapped like me in such countries.
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I don't know what to do. I really feel there are too many trapped souls in my country. Too many abused children. Too much going on. Last week an actor in my country committed suicide due to family issues. After learning about it, I had a mental breakdown because it mirrored my situation in some ways. It's hard to live in a country where the government doesn't give a shit about you. Unemployment and population are at their peak. Too many rapes. Bad stuff. Like bad juju everywhere. Feel a constant sense of helplessness and threat.
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There are no social services here Last week I called a suicide hotline and they never picked my calls. It's like there's nobody there.. My mental and physical condition has been deteriorating to the point that I might have to give up my job. The family pressure to get married is too much. My family's unsupportive dynamic sucks I battle a health condition that I won't discuss here, that's the only thing that I keep off limits. It's too tough to survive and I often thought of suicide many many times.
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https://ennyman.medium.com/a-lesson-from-29-golden-gate-suicide-attempts-a42f4ef3f970
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Please tell me what you are going through. I know someone who attended suicide. He was glad that he didn't follow through. I wish I was there with you but I hope you can at least tell us what going on.
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I've also heard this guy, perhaps several, who've tried committing suicide but failed said that, when they jumped, they immediately regretted it. Also, I know you said you were done with practical advice, but have you looked into or tried any heavy metal detox stuff? I've heard people can really suffer, even emotionally, from heavy metal poisoning, and maybe with just that "simple" fix, it might alleviate lots of suffering that you've been battling using purely psychological methods. When maybe, it was simply the wrong approach to the issue. I hope you feel better and well. Maybe here's some reasons to stay. We love you.
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@Dunnel I will give you a good reason to live. A good reason to live would be that all the best human beings throughout history of humanity did not want you to commit suicide. I am sure this enough.
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I believe that Angels exist. Angels. I don't think I can take it any longer. Maybe some angel can take me with them and liberate me from my pain. It is difficult. Life is difficult. I can't take anymore. And I don't have the courage to commit suicide. I feel helpless and trapped. I wish my soul could be set free from this terrible world I was born into. I don't find peace. My soul wants to be done with this world for good. My soul cannot take the strain of life. I wish I could die right now but I can't because I don't know how to off myself. I have no way of living in this world of demons and vampires and people who look trustworthy but are actually cunning and manipulative and fake. Nobody wants to do shit. CALLING ME A DRAMA QUEEN DOESN'T HELP ME. CALLING ME ANYTHING DOESN'T HELP ME. I'M FED UP WITH FAKE FRIENDS. I'M FED UP WITH FAKE LOVERS AND FAKE BOYFRIENDS WHO ONLY WANT TO USE ME. I'M FED UP WITH FAKE FAMILY MEMBERS. I'M FED UP WITH THE DEVIL WHO DESPERATELY WANTS ME DEAD BECAUSE I FEEL HIS PRESENCE LAUGHING AT MY PAIN ALL THE TIME I'M TIRED OF LIFE.... TIRED OF ALL THE ABUSE.
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@Leo Gurahave talked to 4 psychologists. Talked to my parents many times. Tried the spiritual work. Sick of materialism. Tried suicide hotline, was hot garbage. Have no patience for my own bullshit anymore. Thanks for your videos. I might wake up tomorrow taking some sane decisions, but for now I feel pretty determined to jump off and break my legs. I know I could do more, of course. But Ive tried for so many years.
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It's tough to watch humanity. I was suicidal again today. So I clicked on a video about suicide.
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If I'm free how is it so that I can't escape life? I changed my job to a one which it kills me. I can't sleep well and it hurts my back. The work is mindless too. I'm slowly losing my mind. So I thought in quitting everything, to avoid the suffering that this situation is producing. But then when I thought about quitting, i doubt I can't because I can't surrender the attachment to material goals I want to achieve, and attachment to my family not suffering my loss ( I wasnt planning to suicide, but just let go of everything. For once be free...) So I'm damn if I do and I'm damn if I don't . What do you think about my situation?
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Suicide is selfish, therefore you can only die and go to Unity as opposed to reincarnation when you least expect it.
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AtheisticNonduality replied to soos_mite_ah's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
@Hardkill No, the nineties had left/right culture wars (Marilyn Manson, etc.), Kosovo wars, Monica Lewinsky, Columbine, Kurt Cobain's suicide, and other stuff. Still not as bad as what comes after the nineties... -
Breakingthewall replied to deci belle's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
the desire to awaken is what leads to awakening. the ego knows that it must die but it cannot make itself die. the search for something external to act as a trigger is the only option that the ego sees for its suicide, since it cannot cause its own death. artificially created experience, if complete, occurs when it is have to. It is also artificial to sit for hours to silence the mind or to self-observe the slightest thought. they are manifestations of the same thing: the will to wake up. the ego itself realizes the trap that it means, and assumes that the only solution is its dissolution, but it does not know how to leave, since the fact of wanting to leave reinforces it even more. He needs a gun, put it to his temple, and pull the trigger -
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When I will commit suicide, all those who tormented me, abused me, they will go to hell for eternity, my soul will never rest in peace. There will be retribution. my soul will never rest in peace. I will scream in deepest agony. There will be retribution. my soul will never rest in peace. I will scream in deepest agony. There will be retribution. my soul will never rest in peace. I will scream in deepest agony. There will be retribution. my soul will never rest in peace. I will scream in deepest agony. There will be retribution. my soul will never rest in peace. I will scream in deepest agony. There will be retribution. my soul will never rest in peace. I will scream in deepest agony. There will be retribution. my soul will never rest in peace. I will scream in deepest agony. There will be retribution. my soul will never rest in peace. I will scream in deepest agony. There will be retribution. my soul will never rest in peace. I will scream in deepest agony. 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And then it was September 2015. I was feeling extremely lonely. I was living alone at the time. I had my second ex. We weren't getting along a relationship I was eventually going to break in 2017 mid June. And I begged and fell on my knees. In a moment of despair, I suddenly gave up and wanted to die, I wanted to commit suicide, I wanted to be gone. I had lost my dad years ago I had lost my pet. I had lost everything. I didn't want to live for anything. And I felt my boyfriend didn't love me. I wanted to end it all. Nobody loved. Not my mom. Not anyone. No one cared if I would have been gone. I prayed to Christ for strength. I prayed for hope. Then suddenly. Things changed. I felt warmth. I rose. I remember sitting. Thinking. It was different. Next day my mom called me to tell me that she is coming over to my place. I felt nice. At least I won't feel alone. I felt like God had given me a sign. He wanted to tell me that I was going to be okay After that whatever happened was nothing short of a miracle. I began to be heavily influenced by spirituality. I was suddenly propelled in this direction where I would constantly question everything around me in a spiritual context. Everything has had to have an answer, a meaning. I started collecting journals. I bought a few diaries. I began scribbling and writing in early 2016. It was january 2016. I got my journal and began writing, not online, but in my physical journal. I had no idea Actualized Org existed at the time. I would sit in a corner, huddled into a space and keep writing. I would write endlessly. A lot of stuff I wanted to write about. I didn't want to stop. I wrote throughout 2016. I wrote nearly 10 diaries that year that I still have in my cabin. Then in 2017 I broke up and had health issues. I met Joseph at the end of this year. I came across Leo's video in around my birthday and then I decided to join the forum the day after my birthday. This was 2018. I went straight to the journal section and began journaling. My spiritual quest began that year 2018 and never ended. I wrote throughout the year.