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Even though you may not commit "full" suicide, we kill ourselves with many behaviours: bad eating, no sport, uncalibrated sleep patterns and so on. This I call microsuicides. So I would challenge the notion of binary suicide and contrast it with a progressive spectrum that may lead to its climax voluntarily or death may arrive through other ways nevertheless.

Why love life more than death? Why love your particular distinction of body and not love its dissolution? That's Love Love doesn't solve suicide Relatively maybe Absolutely? Not really Love is Infinite and embraces all that is Depends on the standpoint of Suicide, many different paths may lead to the contemplation of committing suicide God itself We are arm wrestling ourselves

How dare you judge that someone's suicide is illegitmate?

@Leo Gura i mean yeah sometimes suicide is legitimate, if you have a serious health problem which makes you suffer a lot and no way to fix it.

Thanks @shree Interesting! Yeah, it was quite a pain in the ass. The other part was my father didn't really have the sensitivity to know which stories of the old testament are definitely not meant for children. And he constantly reminded me that we already live in "the end times". In those times, christians get killed, locked away and tortured. Problem: "if you deny Jesus, Jesus will deny you" (bible). So under extreme torture, according to him you should stay strong and stay true to jesus. Of course my creative fantasy was beginning to imagine all kinds of horrors. In my mind I tried to invent different suicide methods that can work even with a completely fixated body... So these were my prospects as a five year old: Either you get tortured to death and resist the temptation over and over again to end that by denying jesus or you get tortured forever Or in short: How you forge a serious philosopher Now I really love my parents and see how they acted out of love, they were worried about me and my future. They didn't know better. And of course, it was actually me pranking myself. Such a great bullshit I could convince myself of for a while! Wow!! 🤯

@Leo Gura Why did you contemplate so deeply suicide in your path till finding peace in yourself?

Perceived Lack of Autonomy or Control, Isolation and Loneliness, Persistent Mental and Physical Health Issues, Suffering and Hopelessness, Fear of a Meaningless Existence, etc. People who consider suicide often experience a pattern of inescapable suffering. Imagine being abducted and taken to a secluded island where you know no one will ever find you for 150 years, and you are tortured every day. Wouldn't you be tempted to end it all to escape the unending agony? This is similar to what people who feel trapped by their suffering experience. They feel as though there is no escape, no end to the pain, and no way to change their situation, which can make the idea of ending their life seem like the only option.

What you do, what you do, what you do to me? Always fucking up my energy What you do, what you do, what you do to me? You bring me down but you're the remedy When you get me fucked up It's impossible to come down, oh What you do, what you do to me? You make me feel something when I don't feel much You make me feel alive Adrenaline rush I'm your junkie, suicide love I'm your junkie, suicide love Suicide love I don't want somebody else (But it's killing me to keep you) Is this heaven is it hell? (Somewhere in the middle where I meet you) I tried to say goodbye But I don't ever wanna get off this ride I don't want somebody else (I don't want somebody else) Got my camera roll looking like her onlyfans Getting kinda hard to believe that I'm her only man She want brand new titties, damn That's gon run me fifty bands How I'm supposed to save up For this house and a mini van You make me feel something when I don't feel much You make me feel alive Adrenaline rush I'm your junkie, suicide love I'm your junkie, suicide love Suicide love I don't want somebody else (But it's killing me to keep you) Is this heaven is it hell? (Somewhere in the middle where I meet you) I tried to say goodbye But I don't ever wanna get off this ride I don't want somebody else (I don't want somebody else) Tears like bullet shells falling to the floor Dopamine addict it don't matter what's the source You wanna be mine but I can't be yours So why do I keep coming back for more? I don't want somebody else (But it's killing me to keep you) Is this heaven is it hell? (Somewhere in the middle where I meet you) I tried to say goodbye But I don't ever wanna get off this ride I don't want somebody else (I don't want somebody else) I don't want somebody I don't want somebody I don't want somebody else (Suicide love) I don't want somebody else (I don't want somebody else) I don't want somebody else (I don't want somebody)

@Someone here One of the biggest causes of suicide is depression. You feel very numb in this space and life does not feel worth it

"from an existential perspective" is an entirely ambiguous, and open for interpretation suicide is always done practically and occurs for practical reasons. the person is in so much pain, usually their own creation, and out of ignorance and a lack of perspective, end it, because deep down we all know death is the end of suffering, not intellectually, nor is it guaranteed, it's beyond all that.

People who commit suicide just don't find any meaning in living anymore it's as simple as that I know it because I've committed suicide myself so in that case I should know it better than anyone I'm experienced in this field

What is nothing? It means Not-things. In other words, not a thing. For something to be a thing it is composed of 2. Two is the smallest thing that can exist in the universe. Therefore..anything that is a thing is not a thing but something that you put there to make a thing. That is the essence of nothingness. Existence is a thing. Therefore, it is not you. It is something that you put there. For anything to continue, to change it must be a thing. Motion is a thing, change is a thing, energy is a thing. Experience is a thing. Thought is a thing. Those “things” are not you. You put it there. It is simply an idea. Ideas don’t exist until you put it in existence using matter, energy, space and time for the purpose of creating an experience. Essentially, Existence is a game(thing). You vrs You(note: you vrs you is a thing). Experience is the result (also a thing). With this data in mind, you can realize god is the Creator of ideas. And the creator of things. And the Creator of problems. A problem is simply a contest. One idea vrs a counter idea. Shakespear’s Hamlet once pondered… is suicide better than an unfortunate life? “To be, or not to be. That is the question.” [Hamlet Act 3, Scene 1] Well, he was on to something. However, I would like to change that for a second. After all questions and decisions are simply two parts of a problem. If you know the solution, you don’t have a problem after all. To be or not to be. That is the decision. It is choice we make with every action, thought and activity that we face or encounter. Are we going to be the cause, creator and master of our existence and experience or the effect of it? Every action has an opposite and equal reaction. Existence is simply a disagreement whither to be or not to be. Every play the game as a child where one kid would say.. yes. Yes. Yes. And the other says. No. No. No? You split one half of your existence of an idea to say yes I AM GOD the other half says NO I AM NOT. Your job as a life entity is to decide whether I am or I am not. To the extent that you know you are god without exception… you will know god. To the extent that you don’t know that you are god… there are areas in your life where you have given into the argument that you are not god. You have parts in this “thing” you call existence that are dead. To be is to live. To not be is to die. Here is an exercise: 1. Spot a problem that you have. 2. Write down something about that problem you can easily face without avoiding or flinching(to be).[what can I confront?] 3. Write something down that you would prefer NOT to easily face without avoiding or flinching(not to be).[What do I prefer not to confront?] 4. Repeat the first 3 steps until you have a realization. (I suggest you start with an easy, nonthreatening problem; a minor problem… but you can easily do the process with a “larger problem” if you are brave.) You will find that although you know that you are god to some extent and god does exist. There are many ideas and opinions and decisions that you hold on to that make you believe you are not god because there are things in your human life that you prefer NOT to BE,DO and HAVE. After all God in their native state have no limitations… right? The simple reason any person can not easily define god and know God is because they are holding on to some idea that they are not god. They refuse(are unwilling) to admit they are god that they are source, creation, cause and knowingness. After all, we know that god knows all and sees all… but what if god refuses to look? Then God simply is pretending that he isn’t god because he refuses to look and create blinders and barriers to the knowledge he is god.

3: I have quite a few suicidal thoughts. I don’t suffer enough nowadays to take action on it, but I do see it like this potential way out when I can’t bear it anymore and nothing seems to work. Someone posted a thread asking why people commit suicide. I think a more interesting question would be why people don’t. I sometimes hear about horrible things people go through, for example recently I read about cluster headaches which is described by some as worse than childbirth. Also trigeminal neuralgia is up there. I’ve been browsing forums just a little bit for people who have this. I don’t understand how they keep going, if there is no treatment for them , have they not tried to kill themselves? How ? If I had so much pain that it’s like I’m giving birth over and over again I don’t know how long I’d live. I know trigeminal neuralgia is called “suicide disease” and cluster headaches are called “suicide headaches “ so there are probably people who do kill themselves by it, but I’m more fascinated by those who don’t.

I find it more fascinating how people don’t commit suicide when I hear some of the horror they go through , like what keeps them going

Thanks for everything Leo. Maybe its not the final station, but it makes me think the ultimate reality and consciousness can never be realized, which is akin to what Islam and Sufism teaches. If you can awaken ever deeper, the ultimate can never be known. But hey, maybe im wrong. Its just all too much for me, you're a radical dude. I want to add that anyone reading this, who thinks actualized is some kind of suicide cult, thats extremely wrong. No, Leo's teachings are not good for people who are suicidal or extremely stuck in life, but that is simply because Leo thinks and teaches that nihilism is true. But the dominant view of western contemporary philosophy is also that nihilism is true. So that would make the entire west a suicide cult. Leo has always teached a love for life and to not harm the body, and Leo has even on many occasions shed tears of Love in his videos, for the beauty of life and consciousness. Plus, the idea that an open forum, where anyone can criticise Leo all they want, like this is anywhere close to a cult is a ridiculous idea. Yes, you could say that Leo's stance on solipsism might cause people to justify their suicide, but i would counter this with saying that western contemporary nihilism is no different. Even if you kill yourself, your parents will only suffer infinitessimally short compared to the void that is ahead of them. So theres really no difference in that regard anyway.

OCD can be pretty serious. I have a form of it; obsessions are so strong in OCD that it can dramatically impact one's quality of life and mental health. So I understand how it can cause suicide. When something doesn't go right (most of the time, just a tiny detail in the eyes of anybody else), I get very strong reactions and obsessive thoughts about it. I can't distract myself because I am completely consumed by my thoughts. They are extremely intrusive and won't go away. I stop living normally for a few hours or days, until the thoughts and emotions slowly pass. I resist changing my mind or using a technique to calm my obsession so strongly because it feels so wrong. It’s really hard to understand, even for me, because this is not who I am most of the time; it’s my mind and extreme stubbornness controlling me. I think that I have a very deep aspiration to realize something meaningful in this life and that I am particularly strong and capable of enduring prolonged suffering. If I weren't, I would have already commited suicide. OCD obsessions are very hard to live with and often come with depression… for good reasons. So from my experience, OCD can cause serious suffering and lead to suicide if not taken care of, especially in times of crisis.

It would be wise to seriously contemplate what suicide is.

You make some good points, fair enough. I know we all want to have fulfilling relationships that work with our belief systems and are in harmony with the rest of our lives. I don’t deny there were problems then with power imbalances in the “good old days.” I can’t say things are equal now either though. Maybe unfairness and injustice are just a natural feature of relationships we have to accept, ever changing. Because it is dishonest to say things are somehow better now. I’m tired of the feminist dialogue trying to play the victim and rewrite history as if every woman was suffering in their relationships then. There is no possible way to know things are somehow better now. It had it’s challenges then and men have their challenges now. Seeing how year in and year out more men are committing suicide, lonely, incels, twitch tv viewers, but men are told to suck it up and there isn’t an issue here. I’m pointing out its way better to date abroad for the majority of guys, and be desired for just being a normal fun guy on a continuous changing path of transformation. I’ve checked out. I’m not dating on western terms and no it’s not because I want a sex object. I want an actual feminine woman. Different powers but balanced and equal in harmony. Yin Yang ☯️ I am tired of seeing continuous info that this is “just a man problem” where they just need to hit the gym and better themselves. This is something everyone should be doing regardless. This is a society problem where things are now out of balance in the other direction.

Thanks . Just curious..why did you decide to share this after 4 months of the suicide? He said clearly in the post that he is contemplating suicide. Leo and @Michael569 have tried to help him out .. I'm clueless about this specific disease. But from his description it was such a nasty experience I would imagine. Anyways i wish him all the best in whatever place he is in right now and for you to find a releive from negative emotions.

@Salvijus it's very heartbreaking. Reading that post and now his suicide incident..im literally shedding tears right now ..my day is ruined.

@OBEler Although I don't like that he is being labeled as mentally ill, that is the main reason why he committed suicide. He was one of the most rational and intelligent people I have ever seen. Except when it came to his obsessions—he was very stubborn and insisted that these were not obsessions but real, objective problems. But in any case, thank you for sharing this. I really appreciate that you wanted to help him.

I'm sorry man. I hope you find peace. Be aware of the narrative you're telling yourself about your role in his suicide. ALL depends on what you're telling yourself. All of your emotions. It's not your fault.

I'm just going to snap here cause nothing makes sense a anymore and I can't fight my thoughts and feelings. Ban me if you need to. I don't know what to do anymore. Fuck words. Fuck humans. What are they so proud of themselves ? Words are nothing. Thoughts are nothing. What a joke. All wrong. Something's not right. I've reached an end. Human activities and thinking are not satisfying anymore. My whole soul is itching, there's nothing else to do. I'm speaking like I've seen it all but it's not even that. I didn't. I'm probably the person that have seen and done the less things on this forum. Yet I say all this. But it's true. I feel it, the world is dissolving around me, I don't even know how to explain all of this. I don't matter. I'm sorry. Angry vent. But it has to get somewhere even if it's useless. If you can still feel things and like things, please cherish this. Every second. It seems like I can't anymore and it's the absolute worse feeling. Goodbye. Maybe. Probably. (No worries, no suicide. I'm too weak for that)

You can access states of total bliss in meditation, but afterward you are still an animal that must kill to eat. The only way to stop being one is to commit suicide, so it's better to accept the game, see it for what it is and play it as best as possible. What other option could be?

The Oil-rich arab nations have small populations which can be easily managed as well as having a very good police to population ratio. Saudi Arabia have a population of 36 million and a strong police to population ratio of 386. The Shariat law with penalty of beheading for rape serves as a strong deterrent. However the poor quality of the obsolete legal system and laws means that the victim can be further punished as the supposed perpetrator, and the actual perpetrator can escape with minimal punishment. As per Shariat the raped victim must also produce four adult males who have witnessed the crime to validate her charges. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/nov/17/saudiarabia.international https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-24438375 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Saudi_Arabia https://www.reuters.com/article/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/saudi-women-try-suicide-to-escape-social-pressure-idUSL12894106/ The media, unlike that in India, is highly regulated and subject to censoring by the monarchical government so as to filter out the bad news if any that can be injurious to the government's prestige, and strict constraints placed on the journalists freedom of speech and action. The murder of the reformist Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi by Saudi government agents is a glaring example in this regard. Khashoggi was a progressive journalist who advocated for reforms in the country and was critical of the ruling royal family. Khashoggi wrote in his last column, posthumously published, that "what the Arab world needs most is free expression" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Jamal_Khashoggi The same goes in dictatorial China as well, which in 2023 was the biggest global jailer of journalists. https://apnews.com/article/china-press-censorship-hong-lai-2caeedd86717ef4667ada868abf67eba In less economically developed middle eastern nations lacking oil resources, primitive and tribal traditions prevent the ensuring of full justice to the rape victim. Rape is considered dishonorable to the family's victim and at times the victim is shot dead by her relatives, or even forced to marry the rapist. https://www.jurist.org/commentary/2017/05/mais-haddad-arab-world-laws-protect-the-rapist-not-the-victim/ https://www.missingperspectives.com/posts/sisters-of-strength-unveiling-the-global-tapestry-for-womens-rights-from-the-mirabal-legacy-to-unheard-voices-in-the-middle-east/ https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/belief-that-honour-killings-are-justified-still-prevalent-among-jordans-next-generation-study-shows So the prevention of crimes against women and children requires not just a healthy police to poulation ratio of 222 and more, it also requires an adept and flawless legal system which efficiently and quickly delivers justice to the victim and punishes the perpetrator; ethically conscious lawyers, journalists and social activists in abundance to ensure that the laws are updated and not obsolete, implemented meticulously and law-breakers reported and punished. A value-based culture that deifies or humanizes women rather than dehumanizing or objectifying them is also part of the solution.