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It’s just random self expression coming from a place of occasionally viewing suicide as an escape from this current life where in particular the future doesn’t look bright I don’t really feel joy . Most of the time I’m neutral or just so slightly worse than neutral

https://www.axios.com/2025/07/07/jeffrey-epstein-suicide-client-list-trump-administration This is pretty freaking funny ngl. Seeing MAGA conspiracy freaks twist themselves into knots finding reasons why their god-saviour Trump wouldn’t release the same list he’s obviously on is fantastic.

What does a Solipsist thinks about that? Can a Solipsist kill himself?

You need treatment to deal with serious illness. However, if your disease isn't understood such treatment may not quiet exist. Such as with fibromyalgia or MA. Then you can at best hope to manage the symptoms. But the degree of severity is everything. You don't amputate if you have a cold. How do you actually know that your situation can't be treated? Have you checked? I'm just trying to understand. My issue really is that I don't think suicide is grounded in reality 99% of the time. It is almost always due to a myopic view of emotional isolation and impulsivity.

I see. If it is an "invisible" illness than it can be harder to get good treatment. I have a relative with fibromyalgia. I have seen how exhausting chronic pain is first hand. There is mental component to it though. Her autism makes her hyper-fixate in a way that causes stress, which the nervous system overreacts to. The doctors recommend treatment that help her handle her symptoms better on a personal level in addition to other things. No one can stop you if you decide to actually kill yourself. But it doesn't make sense to kill yourself if it is only temporary because you will naturally want to live when you are in state of relative ease, IE. not depressed, mentally ill, etc. If you get better you'll want to live, but you'll rob yourself of that opportunity permanently by committing suicide. I do actually think suicide can be an answer in certain extreme cases, but those are situations where the problem is deemed permanent thus a permanent solution is proportional. I assume that you are young and that you haven't had much contact with mental health professionals, therefor I would recommend the position that you don't actually know if your problem is permanent. It is more than likely something that can be worked with or at least managed. Life is worth living, you just don't have the mental health to appreciate it at the moment. The thing about depression is that it is self-reinforcing. Depression makes you wait for motivation before taking action, but motivation actually comes from action, so you never end up acting and stay depressed. You have to act first before you get motivation. That is how you beat depression very broadly speaking. You need a degree of grit to be happy as a person otherwise you end up subject to the whims of your mind.

The way we glorify “success” in this culture is rotten at the core. We treat billionaires and “self-made” moguls like saints, when in reality most of them got there by exploitation, hoarding, and stepping over the bodies of the people who made their wealth possible. If anything, those sitting on obscene amounts of money should be shamed — not worshipped. Nobody actually stops to ask what “success” even means. In most cases it’s nothing more than slapping a gold-leaf bandage over a deep wound of lack, inadequacy, or trauma. My own father worked himself to the bone in online business for over a decade, clinging to one major client. In the end, a divorce, a biased court system, a failing business, and crushing humiliation drove him to suicide. Decades of “hustle” left him with nothing but stress and despair. That’s what blind pursuit of “success” can really buy you. And yet we’re told, “Start a business! Be an entrepreneur!” — as if the mere act of monetizing something is inherently noble. If you’re not truly passionate about what you’re offering, you’re just cranking out more hollow junk to sell to people who are doing the same thing. It’s a hamster wheel of meaningless production, low-quality goods, and spiritual rot. We’ve built a world where cafés, doughnut shops, and clothing brands compete not on quality or creativity, but on how cheaply they can slap together another disposable product. We overproduce mountains of garbage, waste obscene amounts of food, and still work ourselves into early graves. Worse, people confuse money with wealth. Hoarding currency is not the same as having the resources, skills, and community to live well. You can own ten mansions and still only live in one bedroom. You can eat only so many steaks. You can’t make love to a million dollars. And when you die, the money won’t follow you — but the relationships you neglected, the time you wasted, and the spirit you corroded will be your real legacy. This greed-driven model isn’t even how nature works. In a healthy body, the brain doesn’t hoard all the blood and oxygen for itself while the rest of the organs starve — but that’s exactly how billionaires treat the rest of humanity. The hoarding is pathological, and it’s killing us. Industrialization and consumer capitalism have sold us a lie: that government and corporations “give” us freedom. In reality, they’ve replaced meaningful trades, local production, and community life with corporate dependency, debt slavery, and constant overwork. Before this system took hold, people worked less, owned their land, and had deeper spiritual and social lives. Now? We’re atomized, medicated, pacified with porn, scrolling, and disposable entertainment — all while politicians and CEOs line their pockets and tell us it’s progress. Look around: the dating market is commodified like everything else. Relationships are disposable, judged on earning potential rather than character. Influencers like Andrew Tate are worshipped for flaunting cars while contributing nothing of spiritual or cultural value. Billionaires throw grotesque parties that shut down entire city streets while homelessness festers outside. And somehow, we cheer for them. If Jesus said it’s easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven, I believe him — because I can’t think of anything more spiritually corrosive than worshipping money while ignoring the suffering of others. We’ve traded community, craftsmanship, and spirit for cheap goods, hollow status, and Instagram illusions. And we call that “success.”

I have neurological issues that cause physical pain. Doctors haven’t came to a definitive diagnosis yet. Meds don’t help. Suicide can simply be because someone can’t bear their suffering. Even if the suffering isn’t permanent per se it can still be going on for a long enough time. If someone is suffering in unbearable ways, why does it matter that maybe in 2 years it will improve? It’s still unbearable in the present moment and for a long enough time. Some may not find it bearable to go through at all On top of the physical stuff I’m in this constant 24/7 state of feeling like I almost don’t exist at all, like nothing exists almost, severely empty, slightly depressed, like I’m walking around in almost a void. Zero emotion, zero libido, romantic nor sexual (that’s why I can’t date for example). Meds don’t help it either. I can have a positive thought but the thought is so weak, it doesn’t change my state both mentally or physically. A thought cannot create a positive emotion, it cannot fulfill me, it doesn’t have that power. That’s how it is for me at least. I find that the reason I haven’t killed my self yet is that it hasn’t gotten to an unbearable point yet The mental part is bearable. I can handle being empty and slightly depressed and devoid of emotion, libido and human connection. The physical has been kinda bearable too. But it could get worse Until then I’m holding on.

I didn't understand. By pick up i mean go to flirt with girls on the street or in clubs. What does what people actually do in real life, statistically, have to do with the threads guys make here Are there only people who pick up here, and does it only work btw Yes, men with brains full of dopamine thank you after your performance. Does that mean prostitution is a good thing on a large scale I can say "oh yeah" after smoking crack, is smoking crack good for the community or me in the long run. Will they get depressed if they don't have access to this It's not a need like drinking or eating, in fact as a man you have an interest in not ejaculating Yes and I didn't commit suicide, or get into drugs, or become a human wreck even though I suffered from insomnia. Honestly for me it's hopeless and pathetic because it prevents you from becoming stronger but whatever. Does that negate what I said On the contrary, yes, precisely as I said above, I'm fine even though I'm a virgin and I've drained my vital energy with a lot of sleep deprivation, stress, steroids (for a few months), and medication. I'm living proof that these are essentially whims. What isn't a whim, however, is not having to eat; it just so happens that I mentioned escorts by chance, but I'm much less interested in them than in many other professions. I repeat myself.

Are you physically ill? That changes the picture quiet a lot if you are dealing with chronic pain. My understanding of suicide is that it is usually an escapism where you percieve there to be no other alternative to one's suffering due to a malignant outlook and a lack of affirming experiences from others, IE. A lack of love. My stance is that suicide is disproportional relative to the issue at hand. It's a permanent solution to a temporary problem that can change within a year. When I recommend this position I assume you have the health and ability to change your outlook and circumstances, which most people do. If that is not the case then lets make that explicit. All I'm really saying is that you should count your advantages first so you have a more accurate picture of your situation. In my experience, suicidal people are very emotional and highly cynical of their situation in a way that isn't necesarilly accurate.

I have also found changing your mindset can help in overcoming some of the suffering. But then it’s also so ingrained in us to feel negative about certain circumstances so it can be hard to stop the mind. Emotional numbness is a symptom of the state I am in. I am slightly depressed and that’s also a symptom of the state I am in. The enjoyment I feel from connecting with people on here is like a 1 out of ten in strength. It’s really weak. I have a subtle wish to live To answer since you asked I am alone sometimes but it doesn’t bother me. I can talk about my struggles to my family but I don’t feel the need to. I don’t have much of a need to talk about it at all. I have a more casual view of suicide than the average person. I believe it’s up to me so I don’t mind having things around that could help

If you're able to commit suicide, that means you're strong. To be sble to kill yourself. You're not weak. you're strong.

I recently went through a bout of academic burnout and I remember experiencing a niggling little thought of perhaps I should just kill myself. I immediately dismiss it as just a sign of stress. I know that if I focus on it it'll only be more severe in my mind. It is an emotional symptom to a period distress, but rationally I knew the stress would go away in a matter of days. Talking to my parents about my stress and feeling a sense of connection made me feel loved and calmed me down. The default state is not wanting to kill oneself but wanting to feel serene and happy. Both a sense of peace and of play. Suicidal ideation is the mind seeking to escape a situation it perceives as inescapable. Where you feel you have no agency to change your circumstances. It is a coping mechanism in my opinion. When I went through my period of feeling suicidal in my early 20s, what made it stop was a) taking more action and isolating less, b) finding allies/realizing that I am not alone, and c) steer my mind away from negative and suicidal rumination. You have a certain degree of influence over your mind. When my mind was spiraling into suicidal thoughts I would tell myself that I don't need to kill myself, that it is not helpful to think about, and that I can change my situation. The rumination was what was causing the majority of my suffering, so "banning" that essentially relieved me immensely. In hindsight, I felt really alone and I lacked emotional support for an immature mind. I was afraid of not being loved so I isolated myself. You describe that you have "no self" or something and that you don't experience the wants and emotions of "normal people". It sounds like you are just emotionally numb to be honest. I'm not too knowledgeable on emotional numbness since it not something I ever really had to deal with, but I believe it is an arm of depression. I have a depressed friend who once threw 4 stacks into a dodgy crypto currency just to see if he would feel anything. Apparently, it can get silly. But looking through this thread, you seem to clearly enjoy connecting with people, so I don't believe you are actually entirely devoid of a wish to live. So I ask, do you feel alone? Do you have anyone to talk to about your struggles in person? Not necessarily about your suicidal tendencies, but in general? You might not feel comfortable to have an emotional talk with someone, even your closest allies, but as have grown as a person I felt more and more comfortable just sharing how I feel. It is enormously liberating and it gives me a sense of being true to myself. Remember, humans are built to connect and love each other. When you see one of your own struggling, you want to help by nature. Lastly, I would recommend you get rid of all of your suicide paraphernalia ASAP. Especially guns. Suicide is often committed on impulse. You don't need that stuff because you don't need to harm yourself. You can change your circumstances, change your mind with better principles and gain allies. That is at least my opinion and experience with suicidal suffering.

Now the human wants to meditate it's way into stopping thought. Humans didn't produce or create thought so how can humans stop thought. It's like suicide. The human is the thought. Suffocating itself. No wonder some experience heart palpitations during certain meditations. You all think this spirituality thing is a joke. It's a shock to the body's natural systems. Spirituality is man-made, an ideology, ideas and concepts. The body is real. The body is not an illusion, you are, the person is; but the body can feel the effects. Lots of spiritual people have gone insane or develop some type of dis-ease.

Sure . Nothing matters does not mean you should crawl in a cave and die from hunger or suicide yourself or cut your genitals. It actually doesn't matter. You can achieve cutting edge scientific discoveries which will eternalize your name forever like Albert Einstein..why ? Precisely because it doesn't matter .

@Sugarcoat for me I was unable to die by suicide for lack of access to a fire arm. In mental health facilities there are lots of people like me who agree that they would be dead if they had a gun. Without an easy method of suicide, my survival instincts foil most of my plans. It could be cutting myself or jumping off a bridge. This is psychologically more difficult to do then putting a gun to head and killing yourself. Survival instincts are likely the reason why most suicide attempts fail. Beyond that if you want to stop your suicidal thoughts, then I my experience you need to do deeper work than mere affirmations. You need to deconstruct the entire framework that has taken over and step outside of it entirely. In my case I find that self love is possible once I stop operating within a framework that my abusive family taught me. For you it probably is something different, but at least in some cases it is possible to stop suicidal thoughts with deep enough inner work. Beneath these dysfunctional frameworks is ultimately natural, unconditional, and present love. I don't know if your situation is beyond something like how trauma hijacks the entire psychological system. You mention your situation is bad. I might need to look through this thread and find what is happening to you to make you feel this way. I will not judge you for reacting this way as I often felt that way myself.

The reason i do not commit suicide is partially that i held the info in this article being true or fear of it being true: https://blavatskytheosophy.com/what-happens-to-people-who-commit-suicide/ The first years i held myself alive because i did not want my close family to suffer. The deeper i got depressed, that barrier slipped away. Later i held myself alive by not wanting/feared to spend rest my life in the Astral plane (belief). Then that slipped away. Finally i accepted that the suffering i experienced is deserved, i am obliged to experience this suffering and not selfishlly escape it through suicide. I think after that the suicidal thoughts lessened. Giving up alcohol and starting antidep meds also helped.

My theory is that I can only commit suicide if the pain of living is bigger than the fear of the unknown of death ..I mean let's fucking face it ..you'd shit your pants if someone pointed a gun towards your head and you'd turn into a complete pu**y...I'm just being as honest and blunt as possible because I need an explanation. How can someone's suffering be greater than the "nightmarish " fear of death ? Anyone have any explanation from a philosophical perspective? Its like You still have an attachment for life . Killing the body is no guarantee of less suffering. That’s a projection-based story you’re telling yourself. Do you want to deal with suffering in an existence you at least understand and can control to a certain degree?...or are you feeling lucky and ready to gamble on what comes after death by commiting suicide? It’s all just a guessing game really.

Hi everyone, I haven't posted here in the forum for a long time. I want to ask you something. The forum user 'Buba' was a very close friend of mine. He committed suicide on April 29, 2024. Since then, I have been in deep grief. If anyone who has spoken to him in the forum recently could share with me what he talked about, it would help me process my thoughts. In the last few weeks, I somewhat neglected him during difficult times, and as a result, I feel guilty. Thank you very much.

A bit longer post today, from a high quality source - the independent Israeli journalist Orly Barlev - to show the crisis from a higher resolution if you want to go deeper. Her post: " Urgent Appeal to Business Leaders and the Chair of the Histadrut 🚨 (The Israeli equivalent to the president of American Federation of Labor and Congress of Industrial Organizations in the US) Four months ago, you threatened that if the government did not comply with the Supreme Court's ruling regarding the dismissal of the head of the Shin Bet, you would go on strike and fight back. "If the Israeli government does not respect the order and leads Israel into a constitutional crisis, we will call on the entire public to stop respecting government decisions and bring the Israeli economy to a halt," you declared in the Business Forum's statement. You directly addressed Netanyahu: "Stop the internal collapse of the country you are leading." Chair of the Histadrut, Arnon Bar-David, you announced: "We are on the verge of anarchy under the government's watch, and I will not stand by and watch the destruction of Israeli society... Disregarding a court ruling is a final red line that must not be crossed, and I do not intend to remain silent as the State of Israel is dismantled." That was in March of this year. And what has happened since? Meanwhile, Netanyahu continues to dismantle the country – only step by step, salami-style – and you, business leaders and the Chair of the Histadrut, are paralyzed and silent. Meanwhile – Hostages and soldiers are being sacrificed because Netanyahu refuses to end a purposeless war to maintain his power and evade justice. Meanwhile – Netanyahu managed to pressure Ronen Bar into resigning, and the Shin Bet – weaker than ever – may receive an unfit, submissive chief beholden to Netanyahu. Meanwhile – thugs have been sent to Supreme Court hearings to create orchestrated disruptions and intimidate the judges. Meanwhile – an illegal and undemocratic campaign to remove the Attorney General is underway and will be accelerated in the coming days. Meanwhile – a single on-call judge in the Supreme Court (Solberg) did not immediately halt this corrupt process and instead gave the government a rope to continue. Meanwhile – Netanyahu is pursuing a catastrophic policy in Gaza that has created a humanitarian disaster and is destroying Israel’s global standing. Meanwhile – Israel is becoming a pariah, facing international boycotts of its academia and businesses. Meanwhile – Netanyahu is advancing, salami-style, the occupation of Gaza, military rule, a “humanitarian city” (a ghetto or worse), and mass deportations (“voluntary” after creating unlivable conditions in the Strip). Meanwhile – Netanyahu prolongs the war even though soldiers are exhausted, broken, falling, and committing suicide. Meanwhile – Netanyahu continues pushing a draft-dodging law that will dismantle the state. Meanwhile – the police is disintegrating, not stopping lawbreakers aligned with the government, while arresting anti-government protesters, conducting strip searches, and suppressing dissent. Meanwhile – there is no enforcement against increasing violence by settler extremists in the West Bank. Meanwhile – the cost of living is soaring, poverty is expanding, brain drain and emigration are accelerating, and education is collapsing. Shall we continue? At what point will you, business leaders and the Chair of the Histadrut, realize that the red line was crossed long ago, that you fell asleep at the wheel, and the horses are already galloping out of the barn? When do you intend to shut down the economy – after there's nothing left of Israel? After Netanyahu destroys the Supreme Court from within through a campaign of incitement against Chief Justice Amit? After Netanyahu slyly installs a loyal, dangerous Shin Bet head? After the Attorney General is dismissed or weakened, with no gatekeepers left? After more hostages and soldiers are sacrificed for Netanyahu’s grip on power? After the army collapses under the weight of an endless war? After there are no longer enough productive forces and minds in the country to sustain the Israeli economy? After enlightened nations sever ties with Israel? When?? If you're waiting for a “clear moment” of line-crossing – sorry to inform you, that moment is long gone. It passed through countless small steps, a multi-front assault on the public under heavy bombardment, in salami slices that you swallowed one by one. But the clear moment? Long gone. We’ve long passed numerous red lines. We are already at the black line. Don’t wait for hundreds of thousands in the streets to give you the mood and momentum to act. The people have been protesting to the best of their ability for years, week after week. They are in ongoing trauma – shocked and broken. This is on you too. There is still a narrow window of opportunity to act, before we completely fall apart. Stop sitting on the fence, stop staying silent, stop being helpless. You have the power to stop the madness and the rapid decline. Shut down the economy immediately until: 1. A deal is immediately brought to return all the hostages and end the war. 2. Immediate elections are declared – halting all judicial coup efforts, including halting senior appointments by the destructive government. Business leaders and Chair of the Histadrut, Israel is rushing toward the abyss. The people are falling apart. You have the power to save Israel. --- And to the exhausted citizens: Please share. Facebook is limiting exposure. Give power to these words – let them become actions. "

Real vs Fake Spirituality A concise reference guide 1. Lecture Aim & Context Show the core difference between genuine, truth‑oriented practice and “spiritual‑flavoured” self‑deception. Help you spot wrong approaches in yourself, teachers and communities. Challenge extreme relativism without sliding into dogma. 2. Working Definition of Real Spirituality Purpose: realise directly that mind imagines all of reality and see through that illusion. Driven by ruthless personal inquiry and epistemic rigour. Leads to full sovereignty of mind—recognising your mind as the creative “God‑Mind”. Requires radical self‑reflection and eventual dissolution of the finite ego (not physical suicide). 3. The Relativism Trap “Anything goes” fails real‑world tests (e.g. Nazi mysticism, child‑beating madrasas). Therefore a structural core to authentic practice exists, despite technique diversity. 4. How Mind Creates Illusion Default human state: unquestioned projection and survival‑biased fantasies. Deep inquiry shows the rabbit hole goes all the way—entire cosmos is imagined. 5. Deconstructing Self & Survival “Self” = story, personality, desires—built to aid survival. True practice makes every survival impulse conscious, then transcends it (Animal → Human → God). 6. Markers of Fake / Corrupted Spirituality Survival in spiritual costume (sex, money, fame, luxury, power). Belief, authority, tradition, community attachment, moral crusading. Commercialisation, influencer branding, emotional escapism, political agenda. Using practice only to “feel good” or cope, not to face reality. 7. What Spirituality Is NOT 8. Genuine Practice Blueprint Adopt complete not‑knowing; question every assumption. Rely on direct experience only. Maintain constant mindfulness in daily life. Engage in deep solo inquiry (long silent retreats, serious psychedelic sessions, shadow work). Cut addictions/distractions; create space for sitting in solitude and “dying of boredom”. Develop full epistemic responsibility—trust no authority, including your own biases. 9. Reframing Prayer (Example) Common plea (“Heal my child”) = egoic survival request. Authentic prayer: “Grant me courage to face reality as it is and release attachment to outcomes.” 10. Final Orientation Goal is intimate love of raw Being/God, not escapism. Joy arises when self‑concern dissolves; mundane life is seen as divine hallucination (Maya). Requires decades of disciplined honesty and willingness to dismantle every comforting illusion. “If your practice doesn’t satisfy you when you sit alone in silence, it’s just another distraction.”

I think this is what cult leaders often do. They are confident in their delusions. Then they lead others into drinking the suicide juice or what ever.

Honestly when you think about it. Death is not objectively bad. I do have a quite causal mindset around it. I sometimes forget that others see suicide as inherently negative while I can just write about it casually.

I've dealt with Suicide in my family, my nephew at 25 died by suicide, it devastated the family for a very long time.. I'm myself at low times have had suicidal ideations, and even at times now with some challenges I am going thru, its not like I want to kill myself, its a matter of not wanting to really exist, as I don't have the courage I think to really harm myself.. From what I understand, ppl go into trance like states and then they do it, my nephew had a drinking and drug problem at the time he did it, I don't have those issues at all.. My issue feels more like I don't want to play this "Human" game anymore, as I am aware of this present game set up, how the world works and I don't want to be involved with it anymore, I'm more into a Mayasamadhi sort of feeling than suicide, but I can't do that now because of personal responsibilities, Wife and a Daughter and family sort of thing, I wouldn't want to put them thru that like it was with my nephew as the family suffers allot as well when the person is gone and all the Why's and such coming up and if anyone could have done something to prevent it..

At the core, femininity is Love. You can have all the truth in the world and still feel miserably truthful to the point of suicide. Only love makes life worth it. That's the power of the feminine. Masculine is Truth Feminine is Love Then: What is Sex?

For me, it goes like this: I feel empty, something random happens that sparks my curiosity, and I get immersed in it. Then, that thing fades away, and I feel empty again. Then again, I expose myself to something new, something random happens, I get immersed, and then it fades away again. Rinse and repeat. Occasionally, I experience moments of "lack" in certain areas of my life and wish to heal or fix them, which leads me to immerse myself once more. Other times, I feel a sense of "curiosity," and that drives me to immerse myself in something new, but eventually, it fades again. Rinse and repeat. I feel like most of my life follows this cycle, or at least that’s how I tend to view it when I enter these empty states. My mind needs something external to become immersed in, something that I can't currently imagine or be aware of. So, I need to expose myself to exterior people and things until something "hits me". It’s like seeking your own trance. Of course, if you have goals, things to look forward to, and aspirations, that immersion can last indefinitely. But I understand that in these empty states, those feel impossible, which is why it feels meaningless to just say, "Hey, invent something." That's why realizing the cycle I described works better for me. It's a good parallel to Leo's post on "states of consciousness" being everything. In the current state, you can't grasp or understand anything about spirituality, God, consciousness, etc. But then, you have a shift, like a psychedelic experience, and your state changes. Suddenly, things make sense that didn’t before. The same can often be true with depression. In a nihilistic state, it's hard to imagine anything beyond feelings of despair or thoughts of suicide. Then, you meet someone, have a realization, take a supplement, drug, or find yourself in a new environment or experience, and suddenly, it’s hard to imagine what your old self was like.