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What are You debunking tho Random concept? Does it really feel random? And is the deepest understanding of "You" really: a concept? And why wouldn't there be a personal aspect to reality? Only the impersonal? Is that the whole truth?

@Water by the RiverRiver6RiverRiver6RiverRiver6RiverR That nothingness you speak of is, obviously, something, or better, everything. nothing in the sense of absence of structures. I think that in the end the matter is simple (although not easy): all structures must fall. Doing this is extremely difficult, but not a miracle reserved for mystical saints, anyone who understands what the structures are can do it. It looks scary, but that's completely stupid. It's like a guy on top of a skyscraper looking out the window who can't stop holding on to a handhold. He can let it go, he will stay the same, in the same place. It is a practical exercise, an action that is carried out. For our specific case, rather than letting go of a handle, we have to let go of the self, and the self is really the perception that we are the center, the recipient of the experience. It is difficult to do this because really throughout our lives every movement, perception, sensation, leads to this feeling of center. The way to do it is the will to open, which is in some way the opposite of the will to hoard experience. generosity vs greed. That is why any greed, like the need to interpret, closes, brings back the self, which is like a steel door planted in the middle of experience, a black hole that absorbs all perception. From my experience I can say that it is getting easier (although difficult) since the freedom that is given is total, so the psyche gets used. It becomes obvious that it is reality, what the absence of limits causes: the source of existence, life flowing from the abyss of the infinite. What it is about is making a shift from the perspective of form to the unlimited perspective, which is the truly real one, and more that a perspective is to become that. It is extremely difficult to keep that open for more than 1 or 2 minutes, since at the same moment that the mind tries to interpret, the door closes. but that is the reality now, no other. the infinite flowing without limit. The beauty of this is total, the structured human perspective is still attractive, but only if the infinite is constantly transparent, and for this we must lighten the mind, remove all the density. Regarding the typical : you are God creating reality, well...I would say that that is a misunderstanding, it's the openess that happens with psychedelics without the act of let go the self, so the self perceives itself as God. but I can't say for sure. What I see (speculating a bit) is that reality is impersonal, it is a like a flow, and this flow given the absence of limits manifests as life and intelligence without limit, and this gives rise to cycles, to structures that are created and dissolved cyclically, with no one behind creating them. . Reality organizes itself in the cosmic cycle, which is like a dance of beauty that always points towards more complexity because it really wants to be, it rejoices in its dance. You can call this god, but it is so impersonal that the word god does not fit. It's not a god doing things, it's the nature of reality, a natural phenomenon. although as I already said my opening times are brief. but a second is a long time if the aperture is wide There are many layers, it's not just silence, it's openess. You could be in silence and closed and with some frequency of thought and open.

With the energetic practices/meditation that you describe one can generate states that are awakened and boundless/nondual. But as soon as the energetic practice stops, the separate-self Gestalt/structure "kills" the nondual boundless blissful state when it comes back after practice. One can literally feel it contract back in the head. Its like applying medicine to a disease. Relieves the symptoms, but not the source problem (separate-self contraction. Literally contraction, creating contraction/location/center in the head and body). There are practices that dissolve the separate-self-contraction directly (the root-cause, or the source problem, and not just its symptoms, no nonduality and lacking bliss), in a way that the whole flow of I-thoughts/I-feelings is cut off in real time fast enough (Trekchö in Dzogchen for example, certain Mahamudra practices), That (dissolving all me-thoughts/concepts and -feelings) fast enough in real time (needs a lot of training) then leads to dissolving the sensation of being centered in the body (the contractions and localizations), and also leads to "hard" nondual/infinite Awakened states (then also off the pillow in daily life), including the "solidity" of the "outher" world being replaced by mere lucid appearance hovering in infinite Nothingness/Reality/Ones True Self as expressions of it, "seeing itself". Without these two shifts towards truly nondual awakened states (loss of center and mere appearance instead of solid external world), most of the talk/writing about it is just wishful thinking and conceptual speculation. It is not just thinking differently, these are "hard" awakened states. Only in these awakened states can the real state of Reality be realized, and the separate self slowly dissolved. Without these hard awakened nondual states, there is only illusion/duality/separate-self, and no chance to really realize what the underlying nondual Reality beyond the illusion/ignorance really is. I have the impression that is an important point for you, since you are among the rather few that actually practice and not just engage in conceptual speculation, but in generating these awakened states. And I agree fully on that. I have written extensively about these practices of Dzogchen/Mahamudra. If that is done proficient & fast enough, the mechanism of creating a separate-self and a localization & center stops, and one has these awakened boundless/nondual/infinite states of Infinite Nondual Consciousness in daily life when getting up from the pillow. I can confirm this from my own practice. It is too good to be true. Yet, it is true, and at that stage of practice always available. From that basis and in these states, one can dissolve the last remnants of the separate self contractions/localizations/lenses of perception in the burning of ones own infinite and impersonal True Being. The contractions that were the separate-self/ego melt like ice in the sun. I can only invite to try these techniques. In my experience, they are way superior to any standard concentration/energetic sitting meditation/practice. Exactly because it attacks the root-cause, and opens up Awakened Nonduality States in daily life. Mahamudra uses extensively concentrative sitting-meditation and energetic practices (Tummo for example) in the beginning, but goes beyond it as soon as possible. Off the pillow. Water by the River Here a description of the practice system I mainly used: https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/92467-god-fucking-damn-it-another-meditation-rant-thread/?do=findComment&comment=1309816

Your post from May is very interesting (I don't understand how you can remember a post from May by the way, congratulations) but there is something that I don't completely understand. I understand what you are saying about the total dissolution of the self that wants to understand. My experience is exactly that, the fall of the self into nothingness, but this is precisely where I see the problem: nothingness. nothingness is a limited realization. Truly nothing does not exist, it is impossible, since without limits nothing ceases to be nothing, it is everything. If when we talk about nothing we are referring to the absence of structure, then yes, since the self is structure and center. The fall of the self is the dissolution of the illusion of a center, recipient of experience, reality is impersonal, it is a natural phenomenon, not someone. Performing the action of dropping the self is extremely difficult, since it is the self that performs it. It is unthinkable because thinking is structure, now I am trying to think about it and I know it is impossible, but what remains evident is the impossibility of emptiness. The void is limited, because if it extends without limit, it contains everything.

If there is still "someone" thinking/feeling of being totally alone, there are also still "others". Empty Impersonal Infinite Consciousness/Reality contains these thought/feeling-arisings of being alone. "IT" is so empty that it can't feel alone. That would be an arising of thought/feelings "in Itself". If these last arisings of separate-self-afraid of being alone-fear are transcended, there is only (impersonal) love and bliss in that Nondual Reality/Infinite Consciousness, realizing itself as one without a second. Before that Gateless Gate, the game/Lila uses all fear- and delusion-meachnisms to scare the separate-self away from Truth. Beyond it, there is only nondual unity, love and bliss. One justcan't see this from before the shift, which is in the nature of the game. No Illusion, No Duality, No Other. So fear is the price to pay for the game/Lila of having "an other". Selling Water by the River

Yes. Very good. That already conforms to realizing/being Ultimate Reality quite nicely. Allow me some musings... And if the "one" having these insights/understandings is also seen as just an arising/movement/I-thought and I-feeling - "bundle/structure/Gestalt" happening/moving in that nondual boundless Reality, it can be realized that this Understander/separate-self having that insight/understanding/Awakening is and always was just an illusion. And never existed as more than some illusion/ignorance-clouds moving in that boundless infinite impersonal Reality/Infinite Consciousness beyond which nothing can exist. Doesn't really exist (beyond an illusion), has never really existed, and will never really exist (beyond some more illusion/ignorance). More on that step: Selling Water by the River

"One" can act and communicate totally normal in these awakened nondual states (of infinite consciousness) after a certain time of getting used to them. Peak to plateau to permanent. Reality acts and communicates with itself then. Communicating with "somebody" not aware of the underlying nondual unity of Absolute Reality is then just communicating with an appearing perspective/being (although that is then most often confused and ignorant, believing to be separate) within ones nondual boundless visual field/Being. Loosing ones awakened nondual infinite state of consciousness while communicating with other "beings" gets less and less with ongoing practice. But it is then totally clear and intuitively understood (in these awakened states) that empty infinite Awareness is looking through the eyes/perspective of all beings. And it is the same as the empty impersonal Awareness of any being, or "of" Absolute Reality. Although in most other beings/perspectives this empty impersonal Awareness is mightily confused and covered with clouds of ignorance/separate-self-arisings/I-thoughts and I-feelings preventing this realization in that being/perspective... The most funny and endearing ones by the way are those that think they have realized Ultimate Reality/Empty Impersonal Awareness while doing their conceptual solipsistic gig. Selling Water by the River

The way I see it, Karma is just energy... nothing more, nothing less. And that energy can have a 'positive' or 'negative' polarization (from a human standpoint) and affect our experience accordingly; but at the end of the day it's just an impersonal & amoral force which shapes the reality that we experience. Just my two cents, for what it's worth.

there is no god who plans things and does tricks to deceive himself, that perception of reality is what one has when the self has not been completely dissolved. Reality is non-dual, that is, there is no god imagining things but this is god happening. Infinity manifests itself in infinite cycles, there is no puppeteer managing the function, there is reality creating itself. The vision of a god joker who plays is wrong, since it is replacing the ego with god. let go of the self and the impersonal infinite manifests. It's impossible to imagine because the fact of imagining is always centered in the self.

People you feel comfortable with you will get along with, everything will flow naturally. People you feel uncomfortable with, things won't go smoothly. Nothing will flow. How comfortable you feel around different people depend on how wide your heart is and how impersonal you are. When you have no shape, you fit it everywhere.

Yeah, that guy is great. He is basically Iike a spiritually evolved stage green version of J. Peterson that doesn't sound like Kermit the freaking frog. Plus he is a self-admitted pathological classical music junkie, so there definitely is a lot of common ground between the two of us, heh. I also read another book by him called In The Realm Of Hungry Ghosts; that one is about the first hand experiences that he had with his patients as a doctor working in an addiction clinic in Canada, and I have to say that it is one of the best written books that I have ever come across. Mr. Maté is not only a great psychologist but also an AMAZING storyteller who isn't afraid to lay bare his very soul in whatever he is writing. I cannot recommend these books enough! I agree 100%. This is why the Eastern concept of Karma makes a lot of sense to me; we're all literally bundles of impersonal energy that only cosplays as autonomous entities that we like to call 'humans'. But as I see it, becoming conscious of this doesn't mean that now all of a sudden you have free (personal) will; it just means that consciousness is becoming conscious of its own dynamic, so to speak... which can affect the way you as a person are behaving, true, but it is still the same kind of impersonal force that plays itself out, only in a somewhat different way. Just like every action has a consequence, the (non-)act of self recognition also has a certain effect, but still the show goes on as it always has. This is why I keep telling people that regarding spirituality as a way to escape or fundamentally change the game of life is a fallacy, and a very dangerous one at that. And why it has been said that enlightenment is the ego's ultimate disappointment.

I don't think it is necessarily ineptitude, although communication on a forum is harder than it is in face to face interactions, simply because you lack most social indicators. This is why online interactions tend to make people more autistic-brained, including me. Notice that this type of conversation would have never happened in voice communication. IRL, I would have just dismissed your cheeky provocation and moved on, and in the forum I feel like I can expand on my thoughts more, even though I know none of this will reach you at all. Forest is an interesting case because he has a very impersonal communication style, but I do get the sense that behind that is a sensitive soul. So you could say I was inept in the sense that I was not aware enough of this when I made the honest comment about how I perceive him. But notice that I did apologize to him and clarified that it was not a personal attack, without any direct prompt. The immature thing would have been to crybaby like Kastrup.

@Scholar Speaking of social awareness, I've noticed (for a long time actually) that you have a tendency to frame an argument as a personal confrontation (e.g. "you are so trapped in it", or "you are just missing how human beings work"), when you could've framed it as an impersonal one (e.g. "being trapped in it entails...", "missing how human beings work entails..."). So you're very often risking to rile people up emotionally when that is maybe not needed. It's possible to communicate an idea without necessarily making it about someone. And you can maybe use this to make sense of past interactions: is this why Forestluv doesn't seem to like you? Maybe he is not being "overly logic-brained" in his interactions. Maybe you're just being socially unaware. And to demonstrate my own point, do you see how emotionally cutting this comment is?

The ego is the feeling that there is a center and that you are that center. In infinity there is no center, it is impossible. That is why it is impersonal, and the ego is personal. the ego death is the rupture of the center, and the expansion of the being without limit. It is a change in frequency, which requires identifying what creates the appearance of a center and releasing it. It is very counterintuitive because you, from the center, are trying to break the center. It is an act of generosity, of giving of yourself

"When I look around me at the things in my world and say, “Everything is alive,” what I’m really saying is that everything is consciousness in a process of evolution. Just as evolutionary biologists look at a human being and say, “Millions of years ago, you were just a single cell swimming in a primeval sea,” so I might look at myself and think, “Millions of years ago, my consciousness was a sofa in an alien’s living room circling Epsilon Beta IV in the Gamma Quadrant!” And who knows what far future David Spangler may be starting his evolution of consciousness as my easy chair right now? This is fanciful, of course, but my main point is not. We all participate in a universe of consciousness that is evolving all the time, from the dimmest flickering of sentiency existing in a dream state that is not even self-aware to the fabulously and unimaginably complex and radiant cosmic Beings whose lives embrace entire galaxies. And what we do affects that evolution, at least in the environment around us. I have encountered subtle beings in the higher-order realms in comparison to whom my consciousness is not much more evolved than the sentiency I find in my sofa. Their response to me is always loving, caring, considerate, and appropriate. They are like shepherds of consciousness, tending its evolution across vast expanses of life and energy. The light of my sentiency is like a shadow compared to theirs, yet they tend to it—as they do to millions and billions of other lives and consciousnesses within the field of their awareness—as if it were the brightest, most valuable flame in creation. This is the true implication of saying that everything is alive. We are each caretakers for the consciousnesses evolving around us, particularly those of lesser complexity and capacity than our own. When it gets down to it, I really am my sofa’s keeper!" David Spangler, Subtle Worlds, An Explorer's Field Notes I thought maybe that is interesting for some. The range of beings, from Sofa to human to beings embracing entire galaxies, towards totally alien realms beyond. And we as humans in the middle. Able to realize and live our True Nature of Infinite Consciousness/Reality itself. Until we do something else next life. Maybe develop towards that Galactic thing? Who knows... And endless wonderful path still ahead. What do we do while here on the planet? Preview being Galactic beings (or Alien beings/realms beyond) in certain psychedelic states this life with boosting consciousness? Or realizing and stabilizing our essence, that which we really are: Absolute Reality, Pure Impersonal Infinite Awareness in nondual Union with all that is arising? The blissfull Empty Infinite Centerless Timeless Nonduality of Awakened Awareness? And going previewing other possible modes of existence from that basis/realization, with or without psychedelics? Or not at all? Or tending our garden, hobbies, enjoying earth? Or both? That I don't know, and the answer is unique for each being. But one thing I do know and have realized, beyond any doubt or possibility of error: Going exploring before having stabilized the realization of True Nature/Enlightenment and access to ones True Impersonal Nondual Infinite Nature (and the blissfull states it brings resting in that can bring) can only mean regular suffering. By definition, like any other separate-self and its projects to ease the suffering. Because where there is not this realization, there is only the self-contraction/duality/separate ego and its cycles of suffering and fear and contraction. Which seeks easing its suffering by having the sublime experiences/states of higher consciousness/realm states, often of psychedelic nature. Having said & written that: Bon voyage on whatever your path may be. Walk it, but don't have the illusion that peaking and previewing divine and higher realms brings the permanent freedom from (psychological) suffering/resistance/contraction that only transcending the self-contraction/ego can bring. Preview it, peak into the bliss of divine higher realms, explore it and try it for as long as necessary, and then realize and stabilize the bliss of ones True Nondual and Pure Impersonal Nature/Being right here, right now, on this earth. Water by the River PS: 2nd thread started ever. Hope nobody is too annoyed by this one.

Long enough time in that state you are training in will open the window for the shift towards Realization. You already perceive the facets of the elephant quite clearly and unmistakenly (Infinite, no concepts, Reality itself, unmistakenly,...). Long enough burning of all remnants of the separate self/ego-clouds in clear brazing Sun of your Empty Pure Impersonal Infinite Nature will clear the last clouds away. And when "you" rest in that and need to do nothing (because who would do it) to maintain these Awakened Impersonal Infinite Nondual Awakened States of Awareness, then suddenly it can become totally clear. The last remnants of the separate self are very very subtle, way more subtle than concepts or I-feelings. They need to get seen as object and transcended/cut off again and again. Its like learning a high-speed search and reckognition task of not looking through these filters/lenses/centers, but seeing them moving in True You. When its pure enough, the shift will happen. When you have gone this path, you know and have learned how to cut off/transcend/let go of all these clouds, all filters of the separate self. That is why the realization is accessible sobre later. You know (automatically) how to produce nondual awakened states but cutting off the filters. What can help at that stage is for example the practices of the Mahamudra-System stage 3, Yoga of One Taste (One Taste= Nondual), and 4. Stage of Nonmeditation (Where any doing/doer/Activity is and be dropped and the nondual awakened state can still be maintained. In this stage 4 the mind continuum ripens so that the big shift towards Enlightenment can happen. Afterwards the access to the Infinite or Awakend Nondual Awareness is quite stable, depending on the practice done before. It is very lovely "there". Already when approaching it it is so blissfull in these nondual states. In that bliss the ego-contraction dies/dissolves, because it is clearly seen and felt as contraction in the head, unpleasant and making nonduality localized again. I have written quite a bit about the Mahamudra stages of Nonmeditation Yoga and Yoga of One Taste. Maybe you find that interesting: https://www.actualized.org/forum/search/?&q=Nonmeditation Yoga&author=Water by the River https://www.actualized.org/forum/search/?q="Yoga of One Taste"&author=Water by the River&sortby=relevancy

In Enlightenment, you literally become the Elephant. And understand it by being it. That is how Reality was realized by hundreds across the ages, all said more or less the same. Vibv, we can stop the discussion at that point, because it will not progress, and it that will not make sense to you until you have that realization or at least an openness. Actually, with your views you are cutting yourself off from that realization to a high degree, because you think you already have it and know it. The video with the overflowing cup. I know you don't like that, because some had Enlightenment/Realization and some didn't. But that doesn't change the truth of it. At each beings core is exactly THAT, and that makes it egalitarian. A potential than can be realized by all beings. Both facets are not equally true. The personal aspect is illusion/ignorance. The Impersonal Pure Consciousness is more fundamental (or eternal) than the passing or temporary personal consciousness that arises in It. The Oceans and the waves are not different, but the ocean is the Reality OF the wave. And fundamentally more true and permanent than the wave. No talking or lamenting or arguing will change that.

You've got a lot of things right. But there's one huge misconception/misunderstanding: You don't understand the elephant by "becoming" it (or let's say realizing that you already are it). You are your body right now. but you don't understand it. Hence there's science and research about understanding the body. It's exciting, fascinating, advances us as a species and so on and so forth. It's the same thing with IT/WE. As soon as you realize you are it, exploring it doesn't stop but in fact becomes a lot deeper! Reality is completely impersonal but at the same deeply personal. Both facets are equally true and you can't discard one for the other. It's like a tree that has to grow deep roots into the soil, but only to be able to expand high into the sky. The roots respresent the impersonal, the connection to the Unchanging. It's really important to establish that because it enables you to go into much deeper experiences/insights/awakenings without losing yourself in them so to speak. But don't forget that your nature is bilateral. Edit: You could also say it is triune: Impersonal Reality - God - Creation

Yes. Becoming the infinite boundless Bubble is the first step (Godself). Its like extending the Ego (although very empty/murky at this point already) to infinity. Already nondual and quite awakened, but not truly IT, since its not impersonal and truly Pure Empty Infinite Consciousness. And that is why its not stable. Separate Self/Ego still clouding the True Impersonal Pure Being/Reality. Ripening in that state over a long time (hundreds of hours normally), then sudden Enlightenment/waking up can happen. Truly becoming the Infinite, True No Self = Infinite. And that infinite Reality always already WAS behind everything. Deep Identity Level Shift. Accessible later on sobre. Taking the wrong exit with the radioactive skull: Blowing up the God-Ego even more.... End of progress. Roger Thisdell has to excellent videos on that: One step more in the right direction: And game over:

This is freedom imo. The matter is not so complicated when you see it, but an impossible labyrinth when you don't see it. the labyrinth of the self. The problem, the barrier, the trap is the self, and everything that it implies. Being an infinite and impersonal extension that is life, existence, is not the same as a self. The self is always limited. that: you are god imagining reality because you love yourself. It's one limitation after another. The problem is that the mind will always take you to that and escape from the limitless reality, because the mind cannot grasp the limitless. Then you think, this experience exists, therefore it is being created, it is the effect of a cause: God. and god must be uncaused. So what is God? Let's see, what's left? I. I am God, I am the cause, the one who imagines reality. The self, which is a fiction created by the appearance of limitation, that feeling of "I am" that exists in every human, instead of doing the difficult thing, moving away, does the easy thing: enlarging itself to the god level. wrong exit from the maze, marked with a radioactive skull on the map

Yes. Awareness is so impersonal and pure that if nothing arises/manifests (including self-consciousness, separate self) it doesn't even know it exists. Infinite. Just Pure Nothingness/Awareness, with the potential of sentience or to be aware OF something. And that of can be a human separate self/ego.

That is on the right path, because to BE the Pure Impersonal Infinite all of these ideas/concepts have to be transcended/seen as moving within IT/Oneself. Then, Reality = God, God = Reality. Reality/God/Infinite manifests/imagines, or just contains a manifested side in it in a nondual way. One understands IT by BEING it. And removing the clouds/lenses/filters of the separate self/I-thoughts/feeling interpreting Awakenings. There is nothing else, nor could be. Only Ones True Nature/Being. Forever. That is the difference between Enlightenment and Awakening, or the Deep Identity Shift after which the separate-self-arisings (I-thoughts, I -feelings, conceptual "Understandings") are seen fully and truly as moving WITHIN the Infinite Reality that one truly is. Afterwards, this Infinite True Being is accessible in daily life sobre. The Illusion-clouds are seen through very fast if one just "re"-intuits the Infinite beyond experience/manifestation/arising. All of these facet-Understandings of God/Reality/Elephant can be generated after Enlightenment easily. Just a view Koans more, if its not already clear with Enlightenment. It is just what one is. But the Deep Identity Shift of truly "getting/realizing" the Impersonal Infinite Always Here Reality, ones True Nature, makes IT accessible afterwards in daily life sobre. That is the difference. The Elephant is realized UNFILTERED/uncoloured, unfiltered by remaining ego-filters/lenses. Pure uncoloured/unfiltered Impersonal Awareness realizes itself and Reality in a truly nondual way. Not just merging/unity with it and later separating again into something separate, but truly becoming it. Not oil mixed with water and shaken and later separated, but ice molten in water. Ice = Illusion-clouds of being separate/ego, Being= ice molten in the water, only water again. Turning the oil into ice and melting it is the process of transcending and letting the illusion-separate-self/ego die/transcend it. Seeing them (fast enough) as objects moving within onself and cutting it off, just to see what happens. If that succeeds, the visual field turns nondual, boundless/limitless (nothing can be apart from it), eternal (always here), and the Deep Identity Shifts from ego to Infinite Totality beyond all experience by BEING it. Enlightenment in other words. Becoming the elephant in Enlightenment, and telling about BEING the elephant, or touching the elephant in Awakenings while not truly becoming It (but Unity/Merging with it) and telling about its trunk/feet/ears as facets of Awakening. For sure then it appears there are always higher Awakenings with higher/more consciousness. I can fully understand how that perspective looks like, and before the big shift there will be no deviating from that. Either the deep identity shift happens, and the separate-self lense/filter/cloud can be fully seen through sobre, or not. Chasing/Grasping the facets/Awakenings prevents dropping/letting-go into the truly impersonal pure Infinite Consciousness/Being. What doesn't happen necessarily/normally in becoming the Elephant/Enlightenment is visiting some far out Astral/Subtle/Alien realms, or detailed mechanisms of manifestation. But that is manifestation/form-stuff, not the Infinite Absolute. But contained by it. Fascinating, fun and even important for sure. What humanity will do until the rest of eternity (more or less). But not as important as truly realizing and being ones True Being, just because the grasping never ends this way. I also liked the posts of Osaid. That is all how it really is and works. Water by the River

I think we're both right. If it feels right it is right. Reality seems again and again like infinite contradictions and paradoxes that turn out to always be true at the same time. The way I see it reality is completely impersonal but at the same time very personal. I mean, you're still there aren't you? You have a very specific personal structure, your own sense of humour, your unique struggles and insights. All that constitutes the Beauty that is It/We.

How? For me the experiences are false, they mean nothing. Don't you see it like that? They are remember, ego, concept. The only realization that exists is what is right now. We must not underestimate the deception of the logical mind. How have you realized God? when? a psychedelic trip? All I see is reality developing, infinite, impersonal, wonderful, a mosaic of reality that is composed and moves. Inside me is the infinite, there is no one, it is the limitless void that is total plenitude. Nobody is wanting nothing, it's just movement that develops naturally to more complexity, a cicle . But who knows, maybe one day I realize that im god and I'm dreaming the reality, as they say. I see is as a misunderstanding now, but you never know

It’s a metaphor. But you could argue that in reality the guy on the computer is also a creation of the impersonal room and that’s in reality all that exists. But that doesn’t change the outcome. Reality is deeply personal and completely impersonal at the same time.