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Some Spiritual Thoughts I have been I suppose exercising a nondual train of thought because I feel like I resonates with it me an my values and because of how much peace and empathy it has brought me. I want to describe that a little bit more here today using the context of my processing of the Palestinian genocide. I wouldn't say that I have experienced god myself. I've just been trying this thing out for the past 2 years where I have taken some of the interesting ideas I have heard from Leo and from my class Understanding the Self: Eastern and Western Perspectives in regards to what God and Consciousness is and how I can embody that more. Nonduality and Consciousness We are all part of one consciousness and there is no separation between my consciousness and the consciousness of others. There is this illusion of separation, of duality, because nonduality is all encompassing, meaning it also contains duality as paradoxical as it can seem. The consciousness I have is no different than the consciousness of a Palestinian infant who has lost their family and is the sole survivor. It's no different from the IDF soldier posting thirst traps on TikTok. It's no different from the bystander in Germany who is going about life as if nothing is happening and it's no different from the consciousness of a person in the U.S. who has family in Gaza. And I think embodying this thought more allows me to view everyone as more human and even if they are not human still part of the same on consciousness, thus opening me up to more empathy and understanding because in the end of the day, it is all me. I am not my name, my body, the things I own, the things I experience, or the things I feel. All of that is relative to my material conditions. When you strip everything away, I am the consciousness. And if consciousness is God, I am God. And if consciousness is everything, then I am everything. And when you see yourself in everything, you walk with much more gentleness and empathy than if you were to separate yourself from creation. God is Everything If consciousness is in everything and everyone, and consciousness in each person is God's way of experiencing reality and his creation from infinite perspectives, why does god create atrocities like genocide? It's because consciousness, unlike ego, isn't motivated by survival as it know it's infinite. God created the Palestinian mother who lost everything because it wants to know what it's like to live that life from it's very conception to it's very end to fully understand and embody it. It's also how God becomes/is all knowing, because God lives in all perspectives. It's hard for our human ego to imagine why God would let such atrocities happen and let creation suffer as so because even the best of us have great difficulty to abandon survival fully to where we would be content being bombed indiscriminately in the same way that it's content living in a luxury penthouse apartment. God's desire to experience has no bounds because in nonduality all there is is consciousness. and therfore it embodies infinite forms of love. And if God is everything and is infinite, meaning it is boundless, there is nothing stopping it from creating boundaries and challenges, and individual egos. God loves the mass shooter and wants to experience reality from it's perspective in the same way that God has boundless love towards the victims of the shooting. To love is to take the interest of another as your own and the deepest way to do that is embodiment. And because God is infinite love, it loves even the ugliest parts of existance that is hard for any regular person's ego to accept, much less embody. Reincarnation And the whole bit about how when we die and consciousness stops, there might be a void but since there is nothing else to do, God comes back and continues to experience and embody infinite forms of consciousness, I believe explains reincarnation as well. I believe that it explains reincarnation in a nonlinear way. I might be soos_mite_ah in this life but maybe in my next life I'll be Harriet Tubman. Maybe in my next life I will be born as my mother, my best friend, or maybe a random person 500 years into the future. God will eventually experience every life and then keep doing it tenfold for an infinite amount of times for an infinite duration of time. And this experiences how God is all knowing as well because God has experience every perspective. For example, I can crack open a history book and know the general life story of Harriet Tubman from the point of view that consciousness is experiencing from soos_mite_ah. When consciousness is experiencing Harriet Tubman, it won't know her whole life story from beginnning to end as it did in its past life it experienced centuries into the future. But it will know the day to day minutia and embody the experiences that Harriet Tubman had from birth to death and even the forgotten points in between. Consciousness is all knowing because it has experienced Harriet Tubman for example in everyway possible. Everything in linear time has already happened and is happening simultaneously. It just doesn't seem so because of the way consciousness limits itself to take everything in. I bring this up because I guess a nondual practice I have to experience more empathy is to imagine that everyone I meet is a different part of consciousness and that I have experienced or yet to experience consciousness from their perspective. The thousands of people who have died in Gaza are a thousand different past or future lives my consciousness has experienced. And I imagine it as if I am the one who experienced these first hand atrocities, one because on a certain level I have, but two it helps my ego exercise a nondual mindset. And if that empathy feels like it's too much to bear and that it's too painful and horrific, I remind myself that God wanted to experience this from a high level because God isn't as limited as I, the ego, am with the desire for comfort and safety. And this experience gives me a visceral experience of empathy followed by a sense of peace where even though I haven't embodied God's love, that I get it to a certain extent theoretically. It's very humbling and grounding I would say. The whole point of life is to experience and that is exactly what consciousness does indiscriminantly. And the more we align ourself to fully experience, the good, bad the ugly, and fully embody both being completely present to where we even accept the experiences we have where we're not present, the less resistance we face because we are in line with the one fact in the universe, that consciousness is everything and is here to experience everything. I really hope all of this doesn't sound like spiritual rambling.

If you truly stand your ground... if you indeed walk your talk, to the best of your abilities... Sooner or later, this realization should hit you. And I'd dare to say later, rather than sooner. 'Way after' your self - realization, your karmic return, and all that jazz. Once you have awakened to a certain degree, and you brought that Light into you everyday experience... You will inevitably realize; you simply cannot make anyone truly, really, wholeheartedly understand. They will never know. Simple as that. Fucking hilarious, indeed. They will never know. That's just how it is. No matter how fucking hard you try to explain, no matter how intricate the thought process you lay out before them is, no matter how monumental, deep and existential the questions you are asking them are, no matter how flawless your mathematical equations are... you will never make them understand. There just is no one there to make understand anything. No one is home. So... you have realized yourself as all there is, eh? As the one, infinite, omnipresent, omnipotent, unfuckable divine being, huh? Good. Now shut the fuck up about it. How about that for the next step in your evolution? How about actually being what you're screaming about in everyone's face like a 12 year old girl? How about never mentioning any of this spiritual crap ever again... but actually implementing it? Actually using the wisdom, instead of measuring disks with other spiritual or non - spiritual lunatics? How about just being awake, instead of trying to convince everyone of how awake you are, or worse, how asleep they are? How about just getting fucking real and dropping the bullshit, huh? Sounds good to me. It's not like there is any other choice.

Here we go again. After cleaning up my psyche very very deeply, I have started to access deeper questions and inquiries about the Self, God and Being. So, I smoked a few hits of a 40% indica hybrid with my bong, with a mild relaxing feeling, and got myself in the classic nondual state. Really present, eternal present, connected with every form, and conscious of my solipsistic existence. Then the question emerged: What is the border of God? What is outside God? What's the CONTEXT of God? After a long silent session of focus and concentration on Being, I started getting some insights. God is the matrix of existence. So God cannot be contained inside a box made of something. This box cannot exist in the classic sense of "existing". So God must be contained in some kind of non-box, non-frame. non-container. What's the level of reality above God? Since God is all existence, the level above God, the container, must be a form of NON-EXISTENCE. So, if my inquiry is correct, God is contained in non-existence, God has EMERGED from non-existence, which is its original box where it was born from. That might also explain why Spirit is so empty and formless. Because Spirit emerged from a non-existent matrix. NOT in the sense that this box/matrix is "not there", it is there, or better said, it is HERE. This empty non-existent box IS here and now. You are inside it. And since you are God you are inside that box. It's like matryoshka dolls: Non-existent Box God Ego God seems to have emerged from a container of non-existence, non-being. So, in a paradoxical and insane sense, God is essence born from non-essence. It's a world of things emerged from a world of pure non-existence. That's a rough trip to me. I'm not entirely sure of this, but I feel on the right track. Cheers

With my first post I'm basically saying that blue is blue and trying to disprove you saying that blue is green. I'm saying that 1+1=2 while you're saying that 500+500=2 or w/e else wrong mathematical equation. When you are speaking obvious truths, its not parroting. If I want to disprove 500+500=2, I use 1+1=2 and say lets multiply both sides of equation by 500, we get 500+500 = 1000 which most obviously is not 2. I am using a truth to uncover something false and call it out. That's not parroting, altho I am sure many have used the 1+1=2 equation before! I call out nondual parrots, because I know exactly how they speak and know the types of gurus and books or videos they learnt it from. No one will talk this way if they weren't introduce to nonduality and the information I have seen myself. Someone on this forum once called me "immune to zen devilry" or something of the sort. I like to think that is true. Maybe I called myself that! Doesn't matter. Things that are true on quantum level are not true outside of the quantum level. Don't worry mate your mother exists, she also has awareness and materialises the world around her on a quantum level if you will, without you seeing it or being able to acknowledge it. Same for me. You will just never know what you don't know and your ego has ran away with a deep nondual insight and claims to have the ultimate truth! Snap out of this spiritual ego trap, or at least look further, maybe I am not talking absolute bullsh`t.

Not at all, I welcome the conversation, I asked for it! I know where you're coming from and saying the things you're saying, im here to claim this is all because of a belief and not direct experience. You are saying I am awareness and not the bodymind organism! Ive been there. Ive witnessed and said things similar to you! Things are happening and there is no doer of them. But lets examine, if you forget about nonduality speech and what you've learnt from others, do you get thirsty now and then and drink water? Also, If you say you imagine drinking water, dont you need to have experienced something for real before you can imagine its taste and feeling? What im saying is , can you imagine (correctly) what it would taste like to eat something you've never actually eaten? Where is the basis of what youre imagining? How convenient is it that in my imagination im imagining a world that can completely be explained by laws of physics rather than being crazy impossible like people flying at will and transforming to whatever they like whenever they feel like it? How come not even a single hour of my life i havent imagined and gone through a wall? Please endulge me.

I perceive solipsism as strong "bullshit" trap. I don't see solipsism as mystical or part of mysticism. I perceive it as one of the bigger traps for spiritual egos. Nonduality - yes, that's mysticism. I'll bring in a copy of my own circlejerkers here to help me out. Post by Dontaskme » Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:06 am Another guy responds with: Answer:

Well there are two versions of it. There is the deepest realization that ends the dream and there is the less deeper realization that makes you fully lucid in the dream. When I ended the dream and returned a small amount of lucidity came with that but it actually took me time to raise that lucidity high enough that it became obvious it was a dream. The ending of it puts you in an empty void floating there. Then you realize what the void is. The lucid dreaming allows you to experience Nonduality as Oneness so you experience being both 1 and 2 at the same time. You also can consciously shift the experience to a dual experience and then to an experience of Oneness and you see how you were asleep and what makes you asleep. Then all the spiritual words make sense about you having to deny, and how all denying is bias etc. Basically your entire perceptual experience is that of NO seperation but from a state that is manageable from your perspective. But...you can always take the challenge of trying to raise your baseline to an even more intense form of Oneness as the experience of Oneness can get deeper infinitely.

and that ^ is how to go beyond nonduality, or any philosophy, for that matter I just need to become directly conscious of it.

With the energetic practices/meditation that you describe one can generate states that are awakened and boundless/nondual. But as soon as the energetic practice stops, the separate-self Gestalt/structure "kills" the nondual boundless blissful state when it comes back after practice. One can literally feel it contract back in the head. Its like applying medicine to a disease. Relieves the symptoms, but not the source problem (separate-self contraction. Literally contraction, creating contraction/location/center in the head and body). There are practices that dissolve the separate-self-contraction directly (the root-cause, or the source problem, and not just its symptoms, no nonduality and lacking bliss), in a way that the whole flow of I-thoughts/I-feelings is cut off in real time fast enough (Trekchö in Dzogchen for example, certain Mahamudra practices), That (dissolving all me-thoughts/concepts and -feelings) fast enough in real time (needs a lot of training) then leads to dissolving the sensation of being centered in the body (the contractions and localizations), and also leads to "hard" nondual/infinite Awakened states (then also off the pillow in daily life), including the "solidity" of the "outher" world being replaced by mere lucid appearance hovering in infinite Nothingness/Reality/Ones True Self as expressions of it, "seeing itself". Without these two shifts towards truly nondual awakened states (loss of center and mere appearance instead of solid external world), most of the talk/writing about it is just wishful thinking and conceptual speculation. It is not just thinking differently, these are "hard" awakened states. Only in these awakened states can the real state of Reality be realized, and the separate self slowly dissolved. Without these hard awakened nondual states, there is only illusion/duality/separate-self, and no chance to really realize what the underlying nondual Reality beyond the illusion/ignorance really is. I have the impression that is an important point for you, since you are among the rather few that actually practice and not just engage in conceptual speculation, but in generating these awakened states. And I agree fully on that. I have written extensively about these practices of Dzogchen/Mahamudra. If that is done proficient & fast enough, the mechanism of creating a separate-self and a localization & center stops, and one has these awakened boundless/nondual/infinite states of Infinite Nondual Consciousness in daily life when getting up from the pillow. I can confirm this from my own practice. It is too good to be true. Yet, it is true, and at that stage of practice always available. From that basis and in these states, one can dissolve the last remnants of the separate self contractions/localizations/lenses of perception in the burning of ones own infinite and impersonal True Being. The contractions that were the separate-self/ego melt like ice in the sun. I can only invite to try these techniques. In my experience, they are way superior to any standard concentration/energetic sitting meditation/practice. Exactly because it attacks the root-cause, and opens up Awakened Nonduality States in daily life. Mahamudra uses extensively concentrative sitting-meditation and energetic practices (Tummo for example) in the beginning, but goes beyond it as soon as possible. Off the pillow. Water by the River Here a description of the practice system I mainly used: https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/92467-god-fucking-damn-it-another-meditation-rant-thread/?do=findComment&comment=1309816

Okay, assuming you have had a spiritual awakening, you will know that there is only subjective experience, and no experiencer. This means that the entire universe is a self perpetuating, ever changing, infinitesimal moment in time that can be best described as pure consciousness. Since there is only one thing in the universe, and you exist, you have to be that thing, so you are the entire universe. And again, since there is only one thing in the universe, the statement "you are the universe" and "I am the universe" are equivalent. This line of reasoning is obviously begs many questions if you are coming from a dualistic paradigm. I recommend Fred Davis's YouTube channel. He does a really good job of addressing pretty much every objection to the claim of nonduality out there. He helped me understand this thing a lot. The second statement is pretty easy. I have been interested in physics, philosophy, and religion my entire life. Practically the whole idea of a "spiritual journey" is trying to understand the world from a fundamental perspective. If you study physics for any extended period of time, you will find that the specific things we see in the universe are emergent from a few underlying principals that all work together gracefully and perfectly. Noting the way mathematics not only is able to describe everything we see around us, but seems to be the only way to do so, as well as the fact that math is a field that again fulfills a few underlying principals to give us amazing ways to think about the world, I think you might be able to say that the way reality is structured is the only way it could possible be structured. And since the natural numbers are literally constructed from so called "empty sets", it may be logical to conclude that total nothingness implies this exact universe.

@Leo Gura Well, I can certainly understand that, as you have seen or even stood in the metaphysical 'Promised Land' from what I gather. But it will be nagging at me until I know if you actually understand what the Bible is communicating, not for the sake of any authority or spirituality, but in the same spirit of your Aztec Nonduality video. (Please abide the solipsism technicality jargon) In a sense, you can become aware of just how abused and disempowering this document has become on this planet, and how it is suffocating the spirit of so many. This is mainly due to ignorance of the symbols of the bible, leading to a literal historical reading of it. I mainly want to know, if you know that the Bible includes solipsism and that The One God(only thing that is existence) descends into human form? It is completely consistent with what you are describing from your trips! Is any of this surprising that such a widely regarded book is so deep and yet hugely overlooked and misunderstood! I just feel like I'd like the characters in this world to know about it when they appear again. After all, I still feel the quality of the food I eat in this perfectly detailed creation, and if you made a video on it, the world would be better off, to whatever degree that matters?. Millions of humans believing in a power outside themselves even though the book actually teaches the opposite, they even pray opposite of how Jesus taught! Surely this affects us at an ambient level while in this body living here! I don't ask that you treat the Bible as special(I don't, I simply see it as a surprisingly cool existential manual), but it seems like a relevant piece of this setting and the people around here. The thought that you have researched so thoroughly all these religions and so on and not found this out(possibly, don't want to sell your rigorousness short), would irk me to a limited degree! I mean, if Andrew Tate is important enough to cover, why not the hidden meanings of one of most importantly held books of our culture! Sorry to dump all this fixation on ya, I should at least thank you for all the consciousness videos you've made, a uniquely pure channel(in two senses of the word?), and it has changed my mode of being greatly ☄️??

@Leo Gura So, I've not taken any psychedelics other than 6 instances of Ketamine over many weeks for therapy, so I won't speak to higher levels of consciousness (which I have found your videos on very helpful and powerful, thanks for that ;D), but from what I've gathered, the creative power of God dwells in Man, and is accessible to us. I'm speaking of the Law of Attraction sphere, which I'm not sure of your stance on it, but according to my own testing and also the symbology of religious texts, our mind can interact and impress qualia onto the essential 'I AM' to have it reflect back as our manifest reality. Not to glorify it as the ultimate thing, but this can be a great way to fulfill long held desires, acquire what you want for your dreams and change your self concept. It was particularly fascinating to find out that the Bible was partly a manual for how to work this mechanic of existence. I don't know if you've done videos on the Bible, but it's a huge book in this culture that is totally misunderstood. The Bible covers psychology, mysticism and our individual nature as God because it is a (non-historical) veiled symbolic scripture! I saw your coverage of Aztec nonduality, but it seems a shock that the Bible is also Non dual! I and my Father are One. I suppose you could already know this given how much research you've done, but if you haven't done so already and decide you want to cover the meaning of this contemporarily relevant book. I'd be fascinated by your video on it! I learned it from Neville Goddard and Bill Donahue (myth decoder guy, not the catholic org leader). Neville in particular experienced mystical visions related to Biblical scripture. Forgive me if you already knew this. I think this information is a practical 'everyday' tool that can help bridge the gap between God Consciousness and Human Consciousness. For instance, the Garden of Eden = Subconscious, Noah's Ark = Mind, Ark of the Covenant = Human Body, Cross = Human Body. There's also all the numerology in the Bible that is meant to symbolize things, too much to information to appropriately fit in this forum. I just have to know if this is already a piece you've considered in all your research or if this information is of help! Please let me know what you think.

I agree i mean i haven‘t seen his instagram but he seems too gimmicky and always with these catch phrases i watched a few videos about him yesterday, don’t know if he can be considered black also i watched some discussions recently which included black people about nonduality, but don’t remember what they were called

Long enough time in that state you are training in will open the window for the shift towards Realization. You already perceive the facets of the elephant quite clearly and unmistakenly (Infinite, no concepts, Reality itself, unmistakenly,...). Long enough burning of all remnants of the separate self/ego-clouds in clear brazing Sun of your Empty Pure Impersonal Infinite Nature will clear the last clouds away. And when "you" rest in that and need to do nothing (because who would do it) to maintain these Awakened Impersonal Infinite Nondual Awakened States of Awareness, then suddenly it can become totally clear. The last remnants of the separate self are very very subtle, way more subtle than concepts or I-feelings. They need to get seen as object and transcended/cut off again and again. Its like learning a high-speed search and reckognition task of not looking through these filters/lenses/centers, but seeing them moving in True You. When its pure enough, the shift will happen. When you have gone this path, you know and have learned how to cut off/transcend/let go of all these clouds, all filters of the separate self. That is why the realization is accessible sobre later. You know (automatically) how to produce nondual awakened states but cutting off the filters. What can help at that stage is for example the practices of the Mahamudra-System stage 3, Yoga of One Taste (One Taste= Nondual), and 4. Stage of Nonmeditation (Where any doing/doer/Activity is and be dropped and the nondual awakened state can still be maintained. In this stage 4 the mind continuum ripens so that the big shift towards Enlightenment can happen. Afterwards the access to the Infinite or Awakend Nondual Awareness is quite stable, depending on the practice done before. It is very lovely "there". Already when approaching it it is so blissfull in these nondual states. In that bliss the ego-contraction dies/dissolves, because it is clearly seen and felt as contraction in the head, unpleasant and making nonduality localized again. I have written quite a bit about the Mahamudra stages of Nonmeditation Yoga and Yoga of One Taste. Maybe you find that interesting: https://www.actualized.org/forum/search/?&q=Nonmeditation Yoga&author=Water by the River https://www.actualized.org/forum/search/?q="Yoga of One Taste"&author=Water by the River&sortby=relevancy

"When I look around me at the things in my world and say, “Everything is alive,” what I’m really saying is that everything is consciousness in a process of evolution. Just as evolutionary biologists look at a human being and say, “Millions of years ago, you were just a single cell swimming in a primeval sea,” so I might look at myself and think, “Millions of years ago, my consciousness was a sofa in an alien’s living room circling Epsilon Beta IV in the Gamma Quadrant!” And who knows what far future David Spangler may be starting his evolution of consciousness as my easy chair right now? This is fanciful, of course, but my main point is not. We all participate in a universe of consciousness that is evolving all the time, from the dimmest flickering of sentiency existing in a dream state that is not even self-aware to the fabulously and unimaginably complex and radiant cosmic Beings whose lives embrace entire galaxies. And what we do affects that evolution, at least in the environment around us. I have encountered subtle beings in the higher-order realms in comparison to whom my consciousness is not much more evolved than the sentiency I find in my sofa. Their response to me is always loving, caring, considerate, and appropriate. They are like shepherds of consciousness, tending its evolution across vast expanses of life and energy. The light of my sentiency is like a shadow compared to theirs, yet they tend to it—as they do to millions and billions of other lives and consciousnesses within the field of their awareness—as if it were the brightest, most valuable flame in creation. This is the true implication of saying that everything is alive. We are each caretakers for the consciousnesses evolving around us, particularly those of lesser complexity and capacity than our own. When it gets down to it, I really am my sofa’s keeper!" David Spangler, Subtle Worlds, An Explorer's Field Notes I thought maybe that is interesting for some. The range of beings, from Sofa to human to beings embracing entire galaxies, towards totally alien realms beyond. And we as humans in the middle. Able to realize and live our True Nature of Infinite Consciousness/Reality itself. Until we do something else next life. Maybe develop towards that Galactic thing? Who knows... And endless wonderful path still ahead. What do we do while here on the planet? Preview being Galactic beings (or Alien beings/realms beyond) in certain psychedelic states this life with boosting consciousness? Or realizing and stabilizing our essence, that which we really are: Absolute Reality, Pure Impersonal Infinite Awareness in nondual Union with all that is arising? The blissfull Empty Infinite Centerless Timeless Nonduality of Awakened Awareness? And going previewing other possible modes of existence from that basis/realization, with or without psychedelics? Or not at all? Or tending our garden, hobbies, enjoying earth? Or both? That I don't know, and the answer is unique for each being. But one thing I do know and have realized, beyond any doubt or possibility of error: Going exploring before having stabilized the realization of True Nature/Enlightenment and access to ones True Impersonal Nondual Infinite Nature (and the blissfull states it brings resting in that can bring) can only mean regular suffering. By definition, like any other separate-self and its projects to ease the suffering. Because where there is not this realization, there is only the self-contraction/duality/separate ego and its cycles of suffering and fear and contraction. Which seeks easing its suffering by having the sublime experiences/states of higher consciousness/realm states, often of psychedelic nature. Having said & written that: Bon voyage on whatever your path may be. Walk it, but don't have the illusion that peaking and previewing divine and higher realms brings the permanent freedom from (psychological) suffering/resistance/contraction that only transcending the self-contraction/ego can bring. Preview it, peak into the bliss of divine higher realms, explore it and try it for as long as necessary, and then realize and stabilize the bliss of ones True Nondual and Pure Impersonal Nature/Being right here, right now, on this earth. Water by the River PS: 2nd thread started ever. Hope nobody is too annoyed by this one.

That's great, yes this is the best dopamine reset there is cause usage of sexual energy wastes by far the most dopamine and energy out of any other action there is in life, sitting with a craving is a great approach. I recommend you to checkout this guy (https://www.youtube.com/@BeyondTheAlchemy) for videos about NoFap/Semen Retention/Brahmacharya, i've seen so many audiobooks, books, sources and YT channels over the last 3 years on semen retention and Brahmacharya and this guy is absolutely the best one, really chill, keeps it real, has experience cause he is like around 50 years old and has been doing it since his teens, explains things in such detail and depth and is conscious about it, check his content out, it will absolutely help you like it helped me, also he has another channel (https://www.youtube.com/@spiritualrenaissance) which is more about spirituality/nonduality, also quality so you can see it if you want. Also you can add basic dopamine detox into the mix, you know staying away from too much technology and social media, it's up there with brahmacharya imo, even tho brahmacharya is the best, i personally fell in love with it and i'm probably going for life, unless life leads me to another direction of creating a family etc., i won't mind of course, but i doubt that it will happen, life is too blissful on it, heaven 24/7.

I’ve had a therapist teach me this way back when I was 15, before I even knew about nonduality and spirituality. I wasn’t able to make the recontextualization until now, a decade later. Back then, I was creating a separation/duality between Osaid and Leo’s points of view. But now, I see that even those merge into ONENESS!

- - - - Out beyond nonduality and enlightenment there is a field of cartoon wolves. I'll meet you there.

You forget this is not the nonduality godhead section of the forum

You mean the kind of people who think that nonduality is somehow better than duality and can be experienced without it?

You will not understand God by realizing that water is wet. That is not serious God-Realization. That's just ratty nonduality.

And then there’s nonduality…. ”Who am I?”

Recognize the trap for what it is. A figment of your imagination. The bottomless hole is always there. The relative content is nothing but its very own expression. Nonduality and Duality are two sides of the exact same coin! To recognize the formlessness that expresses itself through form is entering the kingdom of God. No need to get rid of anything, brother.

Everyone learns at their own pace. If you would have asked me just a year ago if nonduality and enlightenment is the highest teaching, I would have said yes. I’m also not claiming that I am perfect. There’s plenty of stuff in the human domain that I lack experience with!

Who or what would be the knower? Is the knower known or unknown? If the knower is known, who or what is its knower? Nothing is everything. Nothing is absolute and everything is relative. Nothing is unknown and everything is known. Just play of words. Everything is as known as the birds chirping. No meaning, no purpose, just birds chirping - not even that - whats a bird, whats chirping aside from words, thoughts? What is a word/thought made of? Other words/thoughts. What is a word/thought? Nobody knows. So nothing is known in that sense. But birds chirping appears! So its 100% known, isnt it? So everything is known like that, since it appears. But not in words, words cloud the clear seeing of what is, apparently. Which is another story, bunch of words. Go listen to emerson nonduality on youtube like you would listen to birds chirping. Hes got a lot of videos about the unknowing/unknown