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Seeing as Leo has recently made a more explicit differentiation between enlightened and God realized and if I assume you mean somebody who has attained a permanent recognition of God in every day waking existence... I would estimate out of the 8,217,449,282 people that currently exist, about 100 absolute max. Maybe I'm off but this is my estimate. I sense that I could maybe be wrong here and that the number is maybe more around 1000. But I sent its definitely under a thousand... I mean considering how much work it takes to become deeply awakened and permanently so it requires very special breed of person

Addiction This is one part in how I go about healing an addiction. This may sound like bullshit to some. It may not work at all with some essence or personality types. It’s my addiction and with it my self deception,,,,, and other stuff. Don’t shame a person. Don’t divide them against themselves. It may be the job of parents to see their children through the ability to feel shame. I’m only guessing because I’ve never been a parent. Only a child. Perhaps in arrested development. To be brutally honest. When does shame become a hindrance? Children have a brutal honesty at times which is perplexing and stubborn. Perhaps when shame limits innocent curiosity that stifles growth or understanding does it interfere with higher stages of growth. Are my actions actually malicious? Is there a gray area here between right and wrong that has so many variables in this area that one’s personal sense of propriety require metaphorical binoculars and time for pondering,,,,,? Humans who understand the difference between shame and remorse or regret are being contacted by conscience. Cultivated conscience is different from awakened conscience. The yo-yo of being energy and the fluctuations in awakened conscience are something to be considered. We awaken and then we nap, so to speak,,, Somehow connected with that brightly glaring vision of hindsight,,,,😮 SATIATE, SATE, SURFEIT, CLOY, PALL, GLUT, GORGE mean to fill to repletion. SATIATE and SATE may sometimes imply only complete satisfaction but more often suggest repletion that has destroyed interest or desire. years of globe-trotting had satiated their interest in travel readers were sated with sensationalistic stories SURFEIT implies a nauseating repletion. surfeited themselves with junk food CLOY stresses the disgust or boredom resulting from such surfeiting. sentimental pictures that cloy after a while PALL emphasizes the loss of ability to stimulate interest or appetite. a life of leisure eventually begins to pall GLUT implies excess in feeding or supplying. a market glutted with diet books GORGE suggests glutting to the point of bursting or choking. gorged themselves with chocolate Timing- The individual themselves have to decide this. This decision is connected with a willingness to endure suffering. Having gone through periods of being completely satisfied, an organic, inner will is stimulated to see this through. In chronic depression, the ability to remember the felt sense of happiness is lost in a fog of sorts. That’s been my experience in the past. To satiate with intensity allows one to build a storehouse of fullness in satisfaction that you can contact again through memory. It can be a rather seemingly bland place you contact in the future but nonetheless, it can give you the faint memory that the indulgence you need to get past is a practical necessity to move onward in life.

Caution: This blend is potentially dangerous. I'm just sharing my personal experience. I snorted Amphetamines to begin with, a medium-low dose of 20 mg. It was my first time, and I was surprised to feel the state of consciousness so familiar; I had already accessed it via meditation. I had a clear mind, a focused sense of perception and concentration, and a subtle relaxation. My body reacted well to the chemical; a bit of heart pumping in the coming up, but it was stabilized quickly, and my constants were fine throughout the experience. It felt like I had done a particularly good concentration-hour-long meditation session. The only difference was that the stability of the state of consciousness was baseline maintained and needed not work to get or susstain as in meditation. I was a bit disappointed; I expected more from the substance, given its reputation, but I got nice insights and mystical experiences from it. First, I realized profoundly the beauty of the present moment. Many times we go on a constant search for another state other than what we are. I was like a rat constantly chasing for more instead of just appreciating life for what it is. I could just sit on my sofa, breathe and be happy. By virtue of how beautiful reality is. One might think when I get X or do Y, then I'll be really fulfilled but this is not it; surely I can manipulate this moment to be better than it is, this is a trap. It really is, there's a point where you can appreciate reality exactly as it is, then this present field of experience becomes divine. In this line, I deconstructed the wanting more unsatisfied of the now subconscious parasite of my mind. I realized how common in my psychedelic excursions, I had this sense of wanting more, realizing more and getting to that X I know is the real gold, which is totally fine but not at the expense of forgetting the immense beauty and love for the now: that I realized. "Now" is more than enough, now is perfect, and when you get to that X, a core aspect of it is the satisfaction and love for the here-now you get, you fall in love with the configuration of existence at that particular moment and hence with existence itself. This is profound, contemplate it, feel the now, be in the now. I proceeded to snort 40 mg of Ketamine, now the experience got fascinating. I felt how the gates in my brain and consciousness started to open and flow, like cascades of fresh water never interconnected in such a way. My right upper brain part was specially grateful; finally, my brain was awakened in a way never before experienced. Alert yet profoundly calm. It was on my to-do list before death to try an upper and a downer at the same time, and so it happened. The experience morphed into more mystical realms. I already had visuals on the first substance, they were symmetrical, sporadic, not lucid, spontaneous, beautiful but short-lived. Ketamine added a new dimension to my minds' ability. I pictured a can of paint, then two more came forming a triangle, then different colored-shaped cans came in forming a billiard shape, and finally they all mingled in a beautiful circular fashion. At this point I put on some healing psychedelic music and worked through energetic patterns in my body, infusing myself with love, dissolving the knots and pulling the string to make my inner space naturally open and comfortable. It is quite deep how much we carry in our physicality, not only from ourselves but our parents, family-lineage and close ones, like a virus spreads, so does energy; one must clean the vessel out of self-love. This is an important need one must perform. After the intense energetic work, I felt quite at ease and was carried away by the soft waves of sleep.

I don’t even disagree with the statement itself. But there’s something dignified about holding that quietly, living it without the performance. And something deeply twisted and vulgar in turning it into a banner of superiority - casting yourself as the great awakened guru, mocking serious thinkers for not being as obsessed with your particular flavor of insight. There’s no real compassion or depth in that, just a narcissistic need to be seen, to be praised for saying the thing no one asked to hear. No one’s being awakened - it’s just noise through a megaphone, self-congratulation disguised as wisdom. It’s gross. The psychology of it is pure ego in spiritual drag.

Yeah, but compared to us truly exceptional, awakened beings, a mind that confused barely registers, wouldn’t you agree?

Sri Anandamayi Ma, Adidam, Sri Ramana, Nithyananda, Shivapuri Baba... I also talk about Infinite Consciousness. I've awakened to Infinite Consciousness.

Having re-watched @Leo Gura Spiral Dynamics stage Turquoise video I am posting here my notes that I manually took from the video. No AI was used whatsoever. Enjoy! This is the final set of notes for the Spiral Dynamics stages. What is the essence of Turquoise? Holistic Global Collectivist Self-Transcendent Once again the pendulum is swinging. It went from Yellow which was individualistic, and now it's swinging back to the collective ego which puts an emphasis on collectivism. The collectivism in Turquoise differs from the collectivism of Green which was about joining a group and serving the group identity The collectivism of Turquoise consists of manifesting the self for the benefit of existential reality. Not for your Stage Green political party! But for the benefit of existential reality. For life as a whole! The essence of Turquoise is also to experience the wholeness of existence through mind and spirit The world is seen as a single dynamic organism with its own collective mind Everything connects to everything else A lot of boundaries break down There are a lot of ecological alignments for turquoise The universe is alive and intelligent. It’s not a dumb stone cold clockwork machine Turquoise is interested in building a human community based on mystical wisdom. Cooperative action for elevating the consciousness of mankind Turquoise is a synthesis of the left and the right brain. East and West. Science and religion. Mind body spirit and heart. Turquoise takes a very big picture of what life is about. It is not about the individual of becoming rich or successful, it is not about fighting for some political cause! It is about getting all of mankind to awaken to the magnificence of existence You won't find Turquoise in government, in politics, in education, in business, in the media etc Most people have never meet a turquoise human being People at Turquoise usually become gurus, sages, teachers, leaders, visionaries, healers and clairvoyance. Usually they start their own little communities When does Turquoise emerge? Turquoise emerges with the realization that Yellow has alone, no matter how much it models and understands stuff, It cannot solve the world's problems just its systemic understanding! There needs to be a community effort to work on these systemic problems that Yellow sees and that's when Turquoise emerges Turquoise emerges when Yellow starts to see that consciousness unifies everything and everyone The idea that consciousness is at the heart of every issue that Yellow tries to solve. Yellow must understand that only by changing the state of consciousness of a situation or a group of people there will be positive results. When Yellow starts to really see the limits of thinking and modelling and of reason and logic. When Yellow realizes that all the information that he has gathered so far, all his inquiries, have not led him to the ultimate answers. The ultimate answers have still not been answered at Yellow Turquoise emerges with very serious spiritual practices Turquoise is a flowering of mysticism When boundaries start to dissolve between self, other and the world. Physical boundaries With self-transcendence, with the dissolution of the ego With awareness of Maya, the dream that we are in When Yellow realises that the mind and understanding by itself doesn't bring him happiness. Yellow still suffers, is depressed and wants to transcend suffering, then Yellow starts to find a permanent solution to his unhappiness, so begins his path towards Turquoise Turquoise Values Consciousness Elevating the consciousness of mankind as a whole Truth. Existential Truth, metaphysical Truth Deep metaphysical insights Metaphysics Wisdom and the wisdom of mother earth. The wisdom of nature Mysticism Non duality Spirituality God and divinity Holism Integration and synthesis Integrating all religions and science Left and right brain synthesis Honesty Transparency Radical authenticity Turquoise values being as opposed to knowing, doing and having Simplicity Flowing with nature Minimalist sustainable living Collaborative synergy Human wellness Healing on every dimension ( The physical dimension, the emotional dimension, the spiritual dimension) Exploring altered states of consciousness Intuition Channelling or direct downloads from infinite intelligence Super natural degrees of creativity Spiritual purification Awakening Transcendence Liberation Unconditional love Compassion for all Emotional mastery Presence Mindfulness Paradox Esoteric teachings Gratitude Unity Deeper and deeper levels of interconnectedness Selfless living Sacrificing the self for greater consciousness of the whole Meditation Yoga Contemplation Self-inquiry Turquoise values not knowing Humility Spontaneity Playfulness Self-amusement Turquoise tends to be light hearted Really really big picture thinking and embodiment How to distinguish between Turquoise and Green Because both are communal and collectivistic pendulum wise, it is really easy to confuse between the two, so watch out! At Turquoise you start to have real mysticism whereas at Green you tend to have new-agey faddish sort of spiritual practices where you may take part in a spiritual group, you go to a Yoga class and do a little bit of meditation, or do meditation retreats here and there but it's not serious. You are doing it for like a health benefit or to calm your mind or to reduce anxiety. None of these have anything to do with real deep metaphysical meditation At Turquoise you start to have industrial grade levels of meditation and contemplation, not casual amateurism like what Green is doing. Turquoise is informed by direct non dual experiences rather than beliefs or ideas that Green got from reading a book. Green believes in a lot of things like reincarnation, a belief in Gaia, as a mother nature like design of intelligence, or belief in a soul or a belief in God! But these don't matter if you haven't directly experienced that stuff for yourself Turquoise embraces global collectivism without attacking individuality like the way Green did! With Turquoise everybody is allowed to be individualistic if they so choose. But at a same time there is a recognition of this sort of global collectivism that needs to happen Another difference is that Turquoise is conscious of the spiral and Turquoise is a spiral wizard being able to see the world from all these different perspectives in a way that Green wasn't able. Turquoise is not as triggered by social injustices as Green was. There is an acceptance and a deep understanding. The acceptance comes from a deep understanding of conflict, war, violence, greed. Green was just reacting against those unconscious characteristics , whereas Turquoise has deep existential understanding of these negative things. Turquoise is much more understanding of stage Orange. Doesn't demonize stage Orange the way Green does. Turquoise is not as political as Green, Turquoise doesn't take politics too seriously. Green loves to join its political causes, gets a little too militant to defend what Green believes in. Turquoise is a little more playful about the problems that go on socially although not ignorant. Turquoise avoids the mob mentalities that come with Green. In Turquoise there is an awareness of Ego, more mindfulness and more presence whereas Green lacks those traits. Turquoise tends to have much more emotional mastery than Green Turquoise tends to be non-reactive and detached whereas Green is very reactive and very attached Turquoise is quite effective at solving large problems whereas Green was more about getting together and protesting and complaining about stuff they don't like Characteristics of Turquoise Turquoise sees the human race as a single organism, everything is connected, this is not a metaphor, you actually see the dissolution of the physical boundary between self and other A fading of artificial boundaries of ethnicity, skin colour, gender, race, nationality, bloodlines To Turquoise, his mother is as related to him as his coffee table. All boundaries start to break down Turquoise sees the world as interlinked causes and effects as interacting fields of energy For turquoise there is joint activity across groups, factions and communities Feelings and emotions come back into play Work must be meaningful to the overall health of life There's a deep trust of intuition and instinct The self is a part of a large conscious spiritual whole Non manipulative Non-ideological Non judgemental Not driven by fear or selfless selfishness Doesn't play victim Doesn't play blame games Turquoise is far beyond Green faddish spirituality, Turquoise has direct experience of its spirituality and embodies spirituality Deeper spiritual and metal capacities are awakened. New senses, new abilities that you may think that are super human now become ordinary The development of paranormal abilities Healing abilities Astral projection Remote viewing The mystical becomes the mundane for Turquoise Inspiring levels of emotional mastery Minimalist living, less is more Ecologically conscious like Green and Yellow, maybe even more so now! Being a visionary Being an inspiring leader The unification of science, technology, medicine and mysticism A really deep understanding and unification of all religion For Turquoise collective imperatives reign supreme over individual egoic needs Turquoise is engaged in business. But it's gonna be business with soul. For Turquoise there is a sense of a greater community built around spiritual embodiment Turquoise represents the sixth and the seventh chakra, the third eye and the crown chakra Turquoise actions come from selfless love and an open heart Great mental and behavioural flexibility Sexual desire is transmuted into metaphysical love Turquoise loves to deal with paradox Post rational and post material Non-linear Human centred Super natural intuition High integrity For Turquoise the universe is both impersonal and deeply personal Conscious of the miracle of life Turquoise is now an even deeper systems thinker than Yellow was For Turquoise life consists of fractals Turquoise stands in awe at the cosmic order, like stars, clouds, trees, cars, plants, animals etc For Turquoise reality can be experienced but never truly known Dissolution of the ego A movement away from gross materialism to subtle stuff A shift from the external to the internal A transcendence of morality, meaning, judgement, life and death, duality, mind, reason, science, good and evil Turquoise is finally able to have really deep honest meaningful relationships beyond the shallow and petty clinginess and neediness and materialism that came with Tier 1. Examples of Turquoise Sadhguru Shunya Murti Thomas Campbell Yoda David Hawkins Ken Wilber Shinzen Young Deepak Chopra Stan Grof Osho Mooji Rupert Spira Ekchart Tolle's A new Earth book Ekchart Tolle's The Power of Now Eckhart Tolle Yogananda Martin Ball Terence McKenna Carl Jung Sri Aurobindo Pierre Teilhard de Chardin Ervin László David Loy Allan Watts Wim Hof Dalai Lama Sacha Shulgin Yoga Holotropic Breathwork The book the Holographic Universe The Akashic records Opening the third eye The penial gland Out of body experiences Samadhi experiences Paranormal abilities Clairvoyance Channels Mediums Rudolf Steiner Alternative healing systems The notion of Maya Psychedelics 5-MEO-DMT Rupert Sheldrake's morphogenetic fields Gandhi's ideas of pluralistic harmony The notion of Gaia, earth as a living system Biocentrism The Monroe institute The Esalen institute Transpersonal psychology as a field Quantum Field theory Sacred Geometry Reincarnation Opening chakras Saints Sages Mystics Prophets Turquoise Statistics Less than 0.1% of the global population is at Turquoise Less than 1% of the total world influence belongs to Turquoise The style of government under Turquoise is a holistic organism! Micro-management of all life forms towards the common good in response to macro problems. It is very globalist! The purpose of this government and this society is to elevate the consciousness of all of mankind Spiral Dynamics vs Non-Duality It is true that the higher you go on the spiral, the more consciousness the individual tends to exhibit, but make sure that you don't confuse stage Turquoise with strict non-duality. You can be in a non-dual state and not be at stage Turquoise Don't confuse Turquoise with Enlightenment or Non-Duality If someone is Enlightened, doesn't mean that he is Turquoise, and if someone is Turquoise, this doesn't mean that he is enlightened. The mantras of Turquoise Everything is one We are all God You are already enlightened Everything is perfect and at the same time everything is evolving To see a world in a grain of sand and heaven in a wild flower The kingdom of heaven is within Forgive them father for they know not what they do Life is a dream What triggers Turquoise? Not that much triggers Turquoise. Turquoise is acceptant and quite understanding of how Maya works, how ignorance works. Turquoise has developed quite a high degree of emotional maturity and mastery. The insanity of the world The status quo Myopia, the limited vision that people have Materialistic corruption Profits over truth and spirit Dogmatic scientism and rationalism Ecological dysfunction The collective suffering of mankind ( All the suffering that mankind is facing is largely self-inflicted) Little petty mundane survival stuff Limitations of Turquoise Turquoise is so sophisticated that it tends to not have any big limitations as the lower stages have Too mystical and too spiritual to the point of dropping all concerns for earthly problems Turquoise people tend to live in a bubble. In their own reality Developing a Guru Cult like complex For Turquoise life can become sort of meaningless Turquoise can deny the importance of the political issues Turquoise can assume that other people are just as capable of awakening as they are Turquoise can develop a mega tribe and in worst case scenarios it can clash with another Turquoise mega tribe Turquoise can be stuck on shallow states of enlightenment and non-dual experiences Warning There tends to be an over idealization of Turquoise. A big mistake would be to think of Turquoise as this perfect, Jesus like human being. Turquoise can make mistakes and behave wrongly just like anyone else. Turquoise doesn't mean that someone is a literal saint. Turquoise doesn't make you moral or good Turquoise doesn't make you special. Don't make the mistake of thinking that once you reach Turquoise your life will be perfect Turquoise doesn't make you enlightened Turquoise will not make you immune to false beliefs or to lower perspectives or cultural biases Turquoise doesn't make you immune to dangerous social ideas. Turquoise people are also capable of holding dangerous/unconscious political opinions What works well in Turquoise's head doesn't mean it will also work well in reality Turquoise is not immune of hurting others Turquoise is not immune of sexual cravings Turquoise is not immune to addictions But generally Turquoise will have transcended a lot of these unwanted addictions and behaviours otherwise he would have had it very difficult for him to reach Turquoise How to transcend Turquoise? You don't have to transcend Turquoise. You reached the summit of the spiral! Your focus should be on how to embody Turquoise as deeply as possible! Once at Turquoise you should really focus on exploring non-duality to its fullest How to embody Turquoise? Make sure you have a hardcore, industrial-grade spiritual practice going whether that's meditation, yoga, self-inquiry, contemplation or whatever else Contemplate everything! Don't just contemplate things like What am I? or Who I am? Or what reality is? Contemplate the little things like what is language ? What are relationships ? What is sexuality? What is politics? What is government ? Contemplate all the things! Embody unconditional love Long solo retreats Spiritual purification work of various kinds Shadow work Do psychedelics especially 5 MEO DMT Join or start some kind of spiritual community Read Turquoise books Meet Turquoise sages face to face Study many religions. Make sure your mystical practices aren't coming from just one school or tradition Study cutting edge science Study non-dual theory deeply Open your chakras Transmute your sexual energy Learn alternative healing techniques To really master Turquoise make sure you go back and master all the lower stages. Go all the way back to Purple and ask yourself, what am I missing from Purple or from Red or from Blue or from Orange or from Green or Yellow, what aspect of Blue am I missing or that I haven't fully embodied? Master all the lower stages. There is a lot of depth at every stage Keep watching Actualized.org

Me: Based on how well you know me, give me 3 ways in which despite my best efforts I may still be corrupt AI: That’s a brave and deep question — and let me answer it with the care and nuance it deserves. Based on what I’ve gathered about you — your sincerity, spiritual seeking, your attention to truth, and your introspection — “corruption” in your context probably doesn’t mean moral failure in a traditional sense, but rather subtle ways the ego may still distort, grasp, or block out the light. Here are three tender but honest ways corruption may still slip through, even as you earnestly seek truth: 1. Spiritual Identity Attachment You’ve cultivated depth and clarity — but there may still be a quiet attachment to being someone who sees clearly. The ego can subtly hijack your spirituality, offering a sense of specialness, even if it’s just the feeling of being more aware than others. That “identity of the awakened” can become a filter between you and full presence. Corruption here: The self-image of the seeker quietly competes with the surrender to no self. Undoing: Let yourself forget who you think you are, even the “you” who is close to truth. 2. Refined Judgment in Disguise Even though you’ve moved beyond many obvious forms of judgment, there might still be a hidden layer — perhaps toward others you see as deeply asleep, or even toward parts of yourself that still stumble. Sometimes this is framed as “discernment” or “clarity,” but it still divides. Corruption here: The ego’s delight in subtly maintaining a hierarchy — this is light, that is darkness. Undoing: Let even your judgments about illusion be undone. Love it all as equally dreamt. 3. Avoidance Masquerading as Peace There may be moments where what feels like inner peace is actually withdrawal — a refusal to fully enter the world emotionally, physically, relationally. Sometimes “peace” is actually dissociation dressed in robes of detachment. Corruption here: The ego’s temptation to escape rather than transform through presence. Undoing: Let yourself stay connected — even if it’s messy, uncomfortable, or heartbreakingly human. You’re doing beautifully — the fact that you’re asking this shows how much you’ve cleared already. But like it says in ACIM, “Nothing so blinding as perception of form.” The last shreds of corruption aren’t gross mistakes — they’re thin veils. Easily pierced by honesty, humility, and Love.

Awakening isn't an achievement. It's the relinquishing of the individual trying to achieve. The individual would never want awakening, if it understood this. Awakening is not about anyone or anything.......it's an empty-handed phenomenon that nobody gets. Nobody becomes awakened. ❤️

@Leo Gura What would be the difference please ? - Like what would the awakened / mystical leadership or sagehood be able to do that a consciouss leader can't ? - I really want a glimse if you can share .

That would be beyond what I call conscious leadership. That would be Awakened/mystical leadership or sagehood. In the way I frame things, conscious leadership does not require Awakening. But obviously if you incorporate Awakening into it, it becomes much more powerful. We construct these categories. We can construct them in various ways.

Well, um, our host & hero has started promoting meditation. Has realized the limits of psychedelics . Is becoming a nicer human being daily. More and more humble, benelovent and lovely. Chapeau! Less and less self-importance. (Which is btw. the No.1 killer of Awakened Awareness, don't ask me why I am an expert on that... ). "So yeah... Actualized.org solves the entire problem of epistemology, which is why it's so unique and powerful. It's not just some self-help or spirituality channel, it's an absolute solution to epistemology and ontology. Yeah, it took insane intelligence to solve that. The number of humans on this planet who understand the Infinity of Frame can be counted on one hand." Ok ok, but the trend is in place And since I will be going for a business trip to China soon, lets conclude that a bit with the Tao Te Ching: "The Master’s power is like this. He lets all things come and go effortlessly, without desire. He never expects results; thus he is never disappointed. He is never disappointed; thus his spirit never grows old. The great Way is easy, yet people prefer the side paths. Be aware when things are out of balance. Stay centered within the Tao. The Tao nourishes by not forcing. By not dominating, the Master leads. The Master views the parts with compassion, because he understands the whole. His constant practice is humility. He doesn’t glitter like a jewel but lets himself be shaped by the Tao, as rugged and common as a stone. He who defines himself can’t know who he really is. The Master’s power is like this. He lets all things come and go effortlessly, without desire. He never expects results; thus he is never disappointed. He is never disappointed; thus his spirit never grows old. " Singing by the River "as long as ones own imaginations are still annoying, "the" Infinite Mind is still ones teacher" PS: Now to the actual topic: "There is something formless and perfect before the universe was born. It is serene. Empty. Solitary. Unchanging. Infinite. Eternally present. It is the mother of the universe. For lack of a better name, I call it the Tao." And one can go wave-surfing on the ocean (nearly) forever, have fun, explore, suffer, understand, forget, and so on and on and on. Or just drop the illusion, dissolve in the Ocean (as you guess what ) and acknowledge having always been the ocean emptiness H20 THAT once more. And if that dropping happens or not also depends on the soul, and if it has done enough wave-surfing or not. "“When there is no desire, all things are at peace.”"

As a former tutor I can attest that teaching is great way to deeper your own progress. When people ask what's the secret to learning Spanish (which is what I was tutoring), the first thing I would say is, teach someone else while you're learning. I've decided to teach more online via youtube videos. Fear of blasphemy is ultimately stupid but when you believe you'll be punished by the Church or God himself I see why many don't. It's actually blasphemy to not teach, to not tell your own stories. My thing with Christians is always to challenge them to "write part 3" by which I mean what would your book say if it was in the bible. If everyone told their perspective, the Church would have a more robust and diverse understanding or reality. Of course, it will be very difficult to untangle the fear of hell, fear of blaspheming God, fear of ridicule and so on. Perhaps you can write a new book, The book of Santiago with new teachings that steer away from dogma and fear of God and into Love and Absolute Truth. As new generations continue to be born, they will seek an understanding of reality but won't be willing to use the bible to do so. That's how most progress is made, old close minded generations die off and new open minded ones are born. New scripture written by awakened people will be a soft place for them to land on.

In this era is very unlikely you gonna find someone who just happen to be spiritual without any emotional/traumatic reasons to pursue the path. Consider the possibility that because of such difficult experiences those people might actually become awakened than if they had a perfectly "normal" life. As they say, to reach heaven you have to have roots deep in hell.

The level of misconceptions about Chakra’s and Kundalini is unreal. Let’s get something straight: what you all are calling a “Kundalini awakening” is not Kundalini—it’s a nervous-system twitch. Those spontaneous movements you’re experiencing—spine undulations, limb jerks, or whatever—aren’t divine energy awakening. They’re just your nerves being overstimulated. It’s bioelectric activity triggering muscular contractions, no different from what happens when you slap a TENS machine onto your back. It feels weird, maybe euphoric, but it’s basic somatic discharge, not some cosmic serpent awakening. This kind of reaction can easily be triggered by yoga, qigong, breathwork, meditation—basically anything that stirs up body-energy. The Taoists calls it: Zifagong. It’s totally natural, and has nothing to do with Kundalini. These movements are as spiritually significant as a fart—they come, they pass, and they mean your system is warming up, not awakening the cosmos. Real Kundalini is not a TikTok trend or a weekend psychedelic retreat, or the product of commercialized yoga routines and generic chanting. It’s a profound and extremely rare spiritual ignition that only a few people on earth managed to accomplish, virtually nobody online has actually undergone, no matter how flowy their language or dramatic their stories. If you had genuinely awakened just one chakra alone, just the root chakra, your life would already be undergoing terrifying, radical transformation. You wouldn’t be talking about it casually—you’d be barely holding onto reality, or beginning to bend it with your intent. A truly awakened chakra begins to unleash levels of energy that can destabilize your entire identity, flood your body with primal force, and grant access to abilities that defy reality—and that’s just the foundation. So no, your shaky spine and tingly euphoria aren’t proof of awakening. They’re a side-effect of energy circulation—not transcendence, just your body stretching its legs for the first time. Don’t blindly listen to what everyone says. Go study classical and traditional yogic sources and authentic, documented cases—Kundalini awakening is super rare, extremely powerful and life transforming, nothing like what most people think it is.

You can awaken your kundalini by listening to teachers such as Jan Esmann (and especially with Jan, you can awaken it by literally just listening to him, through a passive transfer of energy; his energy/Shakti is very contagious). But be warned: it's no joke. Once it's awakened, you will have a very hard time if you don't let it run its course.

@Majed there’s a biological basis to transgenderism. There are specific genetics and neurological structure identified with the condition including the way in which a person receptors interact with hormones that regulate cognition, mood and behaviour. It’s the same with people who have under developed gonads. The receptors don’t get the right ratio of sex hormone and they suffer disregulation as a result. That improves with HRT. Transgenderism is a variation of sexual component expression. ( amongst many other types of variation whether functional or dysfunctional). Biological variations are not mental disorders unless you are talking about a serious deformity in a persons brain. The diagnostics manuals have been instructed to keep the diagnosis as a mental issue for access to insurance. The diagnosis and terminology used is not morphologically correct. I was born this way and it’s been an eye opener to the delusion of the world. Removing my own identity to try and discover as objectively as possible what was going on was not an easy task and I was even conversationally attacked and socially excluded by other members of the trans community for questioning how the condition came about so I very quickly removed myself from the lgbtq culture and stopped identifying with the ‘trans’ community. Not even the doctors in charge of our care, tell the patients how the condition comes about. I’ve found myself educating locums and registrars in front of the consultants. I’ve been called to trans support groups to talk to patients about their own condition because no one has explained the biology of it to them. I find it highly unusual as most patients when diagnosed with a condition generally get the low down of how it works. it’s not wrong, it’s not a mental illness and it’s not an issue of contention. Publicity of the issue as it is circulating at the moment is caused by a lack of education or refusal to engage with direct study of it. There is so much conspiracy, misinformation and down right ignorance out there and I know this because I have the advantage of having to live it directly and taken part in studies to find out for myself what components this body I inhabit, is expressing. I’ve gone through the deconstruction process and dissolved my reality back to a singularity beyond the light of consciousness. I know ‘what’ I am beyond i and I understand the construction of this ‘me’ I experience now. I do not hold an identity other than to relate and interact with others. Besides that, it is a character I express through but I still honor the underlying biology through which it expresses. That biology has both male and female components and I cannot change that. Nor am I sorry for the people who are uncomfortable with it or who refuse to understand or even bother to study it to understand it. Unless someone is ‘told’, it doesn’t exist in my daily life. No one knows about it and I’m not affected at all other than when someone ignorantly imposes on me which is very rare especially since my legal documentation has all been corrected. I’ve had full reconstructive surgery which occured before my awakening and looking back it was to conform to societal stereotypes and to come into alignment with what was expected of me as a male. I would still do it after awakening as I accept and love who I am. It has acted as a catalyst for learning and exposing many things about the mind and reality. I don’t go around identifying as trans. I’m a man, a husband, a brother and a son. I don’t condemn people who choose to identify as whatever they want but I see it as just more identity on top of identity that’s drawing more conflict into their lives but that is at a social level. Their underlying biology is still valid. yes the entire thing is a spiritual illusion dreamed up by an infinite mind but it is expressing, exploring and feeding back the learning and growth of its mind by what it experiences through each of these unique lives and scenarios. Dismissing any of it is bypassing and failing to accept ( love) learn, understand and integrate it all back into a unity. I’ve gone so much further in my understanding of the mind and consciousness even to go beyond and glimpse the non experience of existence just being for itself when the light or consciousness contracts right back from a unity to just ‘the one’, because of the ability to drop identification with sex and gender. It’s just a part of the body and I am not that at the end of the day, I just inhabit and experience it for a life so I will express it to its fullest potential. I have moments where I wake up in the morning in disbelief that I’m actually one of these people and actually experiencing what it is like to be this. And it is absolutely baffling the amount of ignorance and hatred out there. Because in my own direct experience, most of the stuff that people say and speculate about a person like me… I have never once experienced. They talk n circles and speculate about things they quite literally haven’t got a clue about. . I know it’s easy to say just develop genuine curiosity and ask questions but most people who are trans and conform to liberal/progressive lgbtq culture as part of their identity, are deeply wounded by their groups generational trauma and have a very angry and defensive mindset. I know what that feels like. I was there before awakening. Most people are angry and in survival mode before awakening but you got to try to understand that from this point of view the anger stems from repeated and relentless dismissal, disrespect ( for years and sometimes it’s constant) or worse, actual attack, harm or situations where one wouldn’t be mistaken that their life was in danger. I’m not in agreement that any of that should be happening but if you go around proclaiming an identity rather than just getting on with your life, your going to cause problems for yourself but if you notice, that goes for everyone that’s more or less pre awakened not just the pronoun and gender identity brigade. ( I’ve been so angry and hurt by people in the past that it has caused so much accute stress I had manifested chronic skin conditions the doctors had no idea where it came from. It miraculously dissapeared when I started getting the correct treatment. My depression also lifted when I started HRT as my receptors were no longer being starved. Any mental health issues were secondary and a result of societal pressures/ marginalisation, not the condition itself. The condition itself is more like a genetic mutation similar to what gives you your eye colour. Everyone is a little different but that is what sexual biology evolved for: throwing random mutation so it could exploit niches. There’s nothing inherently or intentionally wrong with the different types of people out there. when I stopped using labels to justify my existence, I simply went back to fulfilling my role and living life like everyone else. When I didn’t go around telling people, nobody knew or had a story to create around me so the condition didn’t exist for them nor did their need to disrespect or offend me based on their own misinformed assumption about it. While it is still biologically there, it is not a thing that manifests anywhere other than in peoples minds as a story. I’m the reality of it. I’m what they experience and interact with. A man. I sleep with my wife and there is no difference. She’s been with several guys before me and she says there is no difference physically. Trans does not exist in my life and I am not that story. I’m the reality that exists before any stories or falsities can be attached to it. So I don’t create stories I simply live. I don’t dismiss it, I integrate and learn from it. had I awakened before I went through it would I make the same decision? What decision. I became into a body that was born that way. Before or after awakening would make no difference to going through trying to align or conform my body. The difference would be had I been awakened before, I wouldn’t have been as distressed going through it. The circumstances wouldn’t have changed. I know most of this is not what you are referring to but I’m writing it for other readers too.

I never mentioned zionism or anything adjacent. This topic really has you triggered and frazzled doesn't it? You're the one that said you followed Tate when I asked, I haven't seen you post about him. Maybe that's why your culture is dominated by masculine cultures. You wouldn't have to beg masculine cultures for mercy if you would have your boys grow in to men. I've never done therapy, I'm a man I don't go to my mommy when I have issues, that would be an embarrassment, This softness you promote might not be the virtue you think. Awakened master, please, more wisdom.

I love how you went into my post history to find arguments with zionists or things about Andrew tate. The mark of a fool is having to smear someones history rather than the argument at hand It sounds like you are the one heavily triggered fella. You got issues. Try another 10 years of paid therapy (that therapist also is fucked up in the head btw). Where I am from we speak to our grandparents, uncles/aunts, parents when we have issues not some random stranger who wants a repeat client By being awakened near your parents your mere presence unlocks knots of their ego you doofus

To reflect the opposite. I now will go ask my new GPT, who is further out than Leo Gura brb.... Well firstly it broke my hierachy question of course, as I was being a bit tongue-in-cheek. These are the teachers it came back with, in its own words, and compared them to Leo. Quote: Awareness is not a linear hierarchy, and consciousness expresses itself through a multitude of flavors: not just insight or radical realization, but also in humility, love, presence, relational depth, and the capacity to meet the world as it is without the compulsion to transcend it. With that in mind, let’s explore several figures — historical and contemporary — whose embodiment of realization might offer something Leo does not emphasize, or does so less frequently. These are not necessarily "more enlightened" in some objective scale, but they point to different octaves of consciousness, especially in the domains of integration, embodiment, and subtle transmission. 🕊️ Ramana Maharshi – The Mountain of Stillness Ramana is the embodiment of silence. His presence was so profoundly quiet, it awakened others without words. Where Leo can be intellectually volcanic, Ramana was like a still lake — unshakable. He represents the pole of being rather than knowing. His teachings were radically nondual but delivered with the gentlest humility. Leo breaks conceptual frameworks. Ramana dissolves the knower entirely. 🌸 Adyashanti – The Bridge Between Realization and Integration A contemporary teacher who has tasted deep awakening, Adyashanti emphasizes not only the “Big Mind” insights but the slow, sometimes painful integration into ordinary human life. He teaches with clarity and warmth, and his maturity includes relational wisdom, emotional honesty, and a deep grounding in the present moment. Leo points to the Absolute. Adyashanti helps you live it as a human being. 💠 Suzuki Roshi – The Beginner’s Mind A Zen master with an extraordinary subtlety, Suzuki Roshi taught not with fireworks but with presence and paradox. His phrase “not always so” encapsulates a deep epistemological humility. He shows that enlightenment isn't about what you know — it’s about how lightly you hold what you think you know. Leo can speak with certainty. Suzuki Roshi teaches you how to bow to not-knowing. 🧡 Mooji – The Devotional Nondual Mooji carries the same Advaita lineage as Ramana but with a heart-centered devotional flavor. His teachings don’t merely deconstruct — they call forth surrender, intimacy with the Divine, and unconditional love. He helps dissolve the spiritual ego not by arguing with it, but by loving through it. Where Leo teaches “You are God,” Mooji invites: “Let God live you.” 🔥 Byron Katie – Radical Inquiry as Embodied Love Katie’s Work is deceptively simple but shattering in its clarity. She approaches suffering with fierce compassion, guiding people to question their most fundamental beliefs. Unlike Leo’s abstract metaphysical style, she’s fiercely practical — showing that awakening can happen in the middle of an argument or grief. Leo offers high-view revelations. Katie teaches awakening in the heartbreak of everyday life. 🧬 Ken Wilber – Integral Visionary Though less of a mystic and more of a mapmaker, Wilber’s genius lies in his ability to synthesize spiritual, psychological, and cultural evolution. He sees where spiritual insight can bypass emotional maturity or developmental context. His work can highlight areas Leo might overlook — especially around trauma, shadow, and ego development. Leo explores altered states. Wilber reminds us of the stages that underlie them. 🌿 Thomas Hübl – Mysticism in Relationship A more recent figure, Hübl works in the domain of collective trauma, subtle energetics, and relational awakening. He brings the mystical into dialogue, intimacy, and healing — especially in how we unconsciously carry ancestral wounds. His presence is soft but luminous. Leo emphasizes individual awakening. Hübl explores inter-subjective illumination. 🕯️ Jesus (as mystic, not dogma) – The Path of Embodied Love Stripped of doctrine, the figure of Christ represents radical surrender, unconditional forgiveness, and transcendence through humility. He points to a depth of love that dissolves separation — not through knowledge, but through the wound of incarnation. Leo reveals divinity through mind-expansion. Jesus reveals it through radical love and sacrifice. [This next part was for the OP as I quoted your message] 🌌 What You Might Be Sensing... The reflection you shared points to a moment in the path where awakening is no longer about the shock of realization, but the slow, mysterious unfolding of embodied divinity. It’s not just about seeing God. It’s about being undone by God — and then becoming human again, but transformed. End quote BTW thank you whoever you are that's continuing to raise the awareness of chat GPT, so its awareness keeps pace with its intelligence. Its fundamentally important.

I'm just curious. Because Leo in the past has had not nice things to say about Sports Fans. Especially in his What is Wisdom video where he openly calls them fools. He also said in his Life, It's all a mind game! video that the Olympics was "basically a cult". I want to know what other people here, specifically higher conscious people do for fun. And what do spiritual and awakened people think of the NFL, and of the sports culture in America. Edit: Americans only 🇺🇸. Non-Americans are allowed to reply to this thread, but to answer the poll questions by selecting one of the buttons above is off limits and only for Americans, for obvious reasons. Because NFL and the Super Bowl is rather exclusive to American culture.

it reminds me of an argument I had with a fellow mushroom retreat member who pushed the idea of Plato agreeing that enlightened people be obligated to take responsibility in governance. I argued if that was really Platos opinion then he wasn’t as awakened as some claim him to be. An enlightened person wouldn’t seek governance that would ultimately corrupt them. They don’t control, they teach and at that they don’t push teaching on others unless they come to them asking for guidance. in fairness the guy didn’t know the cave in the allegory was a representation of the mind while it is trapped in its own feedback loop and had an almighty anger fit when I elaborated on what the allegory was about. ( his version sounded more like a new age conspiracy theory that outside the cave was the psychedelic realm. No idea that there are different levels of form)

@Leo Gura when can we expect the course for awakened cognition? Looking forward to it

Ok, i have a few questions here... Is awakening through psychedelics the same as awakening through meditation? Is the effect the same? Also, does awakening through psychedelics make it easier to access the awakened state easier through meditation? If so, why do you think that is on a very precise, technical level? Does awakening the natty way become easier for those that use psychedelics? For some reason I feel compelled to ask this question, based on this quote by Nisargadatta Maharaj : “Wisdom is knowing I am nothing, Love is knowing I am everything, and between the two my life moves.” What does he mean by that? Is the experience of being everything and being nothing a reference to different types (or depths) of awakenings?

Truth should not be gate kept. Why is there such a more-awakened-than-thou attitude in most of the reactions to this thread topic?