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Leo, could you please expand on this? Can infinite intelligence be a thing even? Or do you use the word "infinite" to refer to something outrageously big? Infinite intelligence would need an infinite ground to expand itself on (Nothingness doesn't count because there's nothing to infinitely evolve and expand into). From the point of view of anything in the Universe, infinite intelligence couldn't be a thing, at least if it's contained within it.

Yes, but of course it’s a lot quieter and more vague than if I “actually” sang. It seems to be coming from the “center”, i.e. in my head. I’m not sure what you mean. How can there be something behind my FOV? But I’d say that which can not be pointed to; Nothingness/Existence. Yes, it looks like Ernst Mach’s self portrait. There’s something deeply disturbing about exploring this… I feel like I’m messing with the engine of reality.

@Holygrail perhaps the closest thing to a 'how' that I've heard, is 'imagined duality'.. Nothingness/Everythingness (one-ness) pretending to be separate from itself (two-ness, Somethingness). A good example of this, is how reality 'creates' a 'self' or 'ego', through duality... by imagining a difference between 'that which is self, and that which is not self', ego arises. Conversely, ego 'vanishes' or 'ceases', when the illusion of separation is seen for what it is. (When imagined duality is transcended)

Hi there, I would love to get feedbacks about what's happening to me now, I am a little bit confused. To give you a little bit of context, I have been doing mushrooms maybe 6-7 times, but the last two trips were very, very different, so much profound than the other ones. (Sorry if my english is not perfect, I am french). Here a sum up of my experiences: Trip 1: 1.5g of shrooms (very fresh and powerful, I grow them myself) , October 15th Tripping calmly then I accidentally looked at my hand and realized that my body is not me : I am the thing which is seeing, which is feeling. I felt like I am part of something infinite (consciousness) which has no form and is kind of still, but also moving in a certain way (going beyond with duality) Consciousness is infinitely creative and has no limits Consciousness is love, because it is profoundly inclusive. It accepts and contains everything. This love made me cry the whole trip Good and bad do not not exist at all. Everything is ok. I felt like I did not care about death anymore Trip 2 : 1.6g of shrooms, October 31st I am God, I am this consciousness, but I am also nothingness. There is this strong sense of I, but not my "ego I". I am everything, God is everything: it is the theater, the scene and the actors at the same time. There is no separation between anything. That is so weird! I am my mom (who is not really my mom), my bf, the table in my room, my room itself: everything and everyone. This is not just about sharing the same essence with things: I also AM these things. Ego is an complete illusion lol God transcends all dualities and concepts in general. Words are very limited to explain God. God is a mystery by nature, we cannot grasp it. It is a mystery to itself. God plays the game of thinking that it is something separated from other things (an ego) not because God is an asshole or crazy but because the nature of God is to explore itself in plenty of way Whatever we are doing in our life is just God exploring itself There is no time God can surprise itself God can do whatever it wants to do When someone dies, it is just God which stop thinking that it is this person I realized that I am God because I (God) allowed myself to realized it Everything is perfect because there is no perfection That's it, so here are my questions : 1 - I am very surprised by these experiences, because I have not been on the path of spirituality for a long time, I did not expected this profundity at all when I started my trips. Actually, I am listening to Leo's teachings since last January. Even if I am very into spirituality since then and am listening to spiritual content every day (plus I am genuinely attracted by truth), I feel like this happened pretty fast. Am I fooling myself somehow? In a sense I know that my experiences were not a projections of Leo's teaching, that they were real, but I also feel like it is too good to be true and when I talked about that to my bf I almost felt like a fraud. For people who realized God, what do you think about the description I gave about God in my last trip? Did you get the same experience? 2 - What is also making me feel confused is that I did not feel lots of love during my second experience and I thought that realizing God was about feeling a tremendous amount of love. I know God is love by nature there is no doubt, but I was more focusing on asking questions. What do you guys think about that? 3 - My everyday life is just like before this experience: my ego is still strong and I am still a 25yo person (I mean, I am also God and everything but you know) who is struggling to get into yellow. Right after both of these experiences I felt a bit depressed. I do not like going back to this finite form. I do not like my lack of love and my weaknesses. Do you have any advice to integrate these experiences in my "humain" life? Also, I feel kind of fucked because I did not get anything practical to improve my life, any direction (yes, I am still attached to my survival and I would love to get an experience telling me clearly what I should do with my life to be happy). But hey... I am gonna have to figure it out myself. This is not the purpose of God to tell me what I should do since it is so loving and inclusive and beyond all ego things. Ok bye! Thanks for your time if you are reading me and answering my questions

We have been communicating about this since this forum exists, the issue can not be resolved with human language. Simply, when you are in coma, deep sleep or under anesthesia, who is registering reality? Something does exist, call it "consciousness" but not in the way as you think. You are this Reality, it pops up when you wake up every morning, and it contains everything, including body, room, your bed, others... But again, I am using a human language to demonstrate it. If time and space are just concepts, reality can not pop up into existence! Simply because it does not have a ground for it. Therefore, it is an illusion, hallucination. There is nothingness and actuality this reality has never happened. That would be the right direction to go but it is mind blowing.

Well if I am imagining my memories it's not an active, conscious process, it just feels like I need to make the effort to retrieve something that's already there in subconscious, but that could be an illusion. The thing about the universe being created 5 secs ago, well crikey that sounds like someone with extreme alzheimers or memory loss. Creation itself is a process in time, so without time you can't have creation, or change. How do you know that reality wasn't created a billionth of a second ago, or a trillionth? The logic of this is that there are no processes, but reality is appearing out of nothingness infinitely fast, an infinite number of times per second. Or that time is an illusion and there is no creation, just a single unchanging thing. This appearance is my brain. I'm turning it round and saying there is only my brain which I can be certain of: when I 'open my eyes' what am I looking at, an external reality, or the contents of my own brain? (btw I'm not creating a distinction between brain and mind).

Reality is Love, Infinite, Intelligent, Creative, Mind, Nothingness, Empty, Somethingness, Everything, Existence, Isness, Omniscient, Omnipotent, Omnipresent, perfect, Imagination, Singular, Alone, AMness,... The word God fits that very well IMO. Better than any other word. Like for example Nothingness, or Being. Using these terms it's not straightforward that for example Reality is also Love. And at deep levels of God Realization, the above description is still lacking something. It's just pure GOD. It's the perfect word.

Change happens, emotions happen, dreams happen. Where people draw the line between what is real and unreal is pretty damn arbitrary... The only thing we all seem to say is certainly real is "I". Which is ironic because "I" is literal NOTHINGNESS and only known via somethingness like peering into a mirror...

Literally true also, without needing to think about material survival. Nothingness cannot be experienced = no experience = "death". Total nonduality cannot be experienced, just as to see a dream you must seem to be inside the dream = no experience possible = "death".

If you made progress that quickly, you are probably quite naturally talented. Your description of God is good. We however can't know whether it was only conceptual (from listening to Leo's videos) or actual awakening. It seems like actual awakening though. Ask yourself whether you have any doubts about your awakening. like: "maybe it was just a hallucination/deception from neurons in my brain". If you actually reached God, there is no doubt. Though, if you didn't have a deep God awakening, there can still be doubt. That kind of doubt doesn't mean that the awakening wasn't legit, but that you didn't go deep enough. God is Love and Consciousness and Nothingness and Infinity.... But that doesn't mean you will be highly conscious of each of these facets during every awakening. When you are more experienced yes, but not at the beginning. IMO, the most effective way to increase your baseline consciousness is through transmissions . They are also pretty effective to experience more bliss and become happier. Buy the book "greater words of power" by Damon Brand and do the ritual "the Road Opener". It's worth a try.

I think it can be known. You can easily see and explain how and why there aren't "things" out there as things. It's quite blatant actually, since any attempt at describing a thing will always invoke either perception or abstraction (abstraction would mean like a mathematical formula). Things as literal things = infinite regress. Impossible to say what the thing IS in and of itself. Nothingness = no regress, no questions.

Honestly, I don’t think it really matters whether or not it was a sign from the universe in any objective sense. If that experience was special to you and felt like it meant something, then it did, because the only one prescribing any meaning or significance to anything is You. Technically, it has no more or less meaning than anything else you experience in reality. It’s all nothingness. Even these words.

This is essential: You will frame everything as being Love, as if Love was the most essential Essence, and everything else was an inferior kind of Substance that is granted to by Love. No, Redness is not just created or made of Love. Redness is Love, and Love is Redness. It is the same thing, there is no difference. The presence and essence of Redness is that which is Love. So you never discovered "Love" as an essence. Everything that ever was, was always purely that which it is. And that is what Love is. It is Being, it is Mystery. Redness is not created by anything more essential than Redness itself. Redness itself is the Creative Force, that is what Divinity is. That is what Nothingness is. Then, you realized that the entire framework of enlightenment, of spiritual seeking, it is all just one more form, one more Creation. One particulate that you seek to put above all else, One particulate you seek to ground yourself in. But this Ground is Groundless. Redness is Groundless. Your desire to Ground is survival, even your desire to ground yourself in what you deem to be most essential or Truthful. This is why when you let go of it, you will let go of "Love" and "Truth", as you realize that to deny anything whatsoever will always be Truth itself. You already did this, otherwise you would not be here, being an ant, being a chimp, being a grain of sand. Your Ignorance is your Divinity.

Wow, it sounds like what she's talking about is simply a deeper layer of nothingness, what Meister Eckhart calls "the quiet desert", where the essence of consciousness is finding deeper and deeper layers of its own essence. How far you can go into that void really has no end. This is at least my guess. So from that perspective discovering the "white light" is really only the beginning, and you could explore deeper levels of its infinite manifestation or deeper levels of its infinite nothingness. Thanks for sharing

Yeah haha um I guess like if we have no eyes, there is no eye to register color; if we have no ears, there's no ear to register sound. Waves, arrangements, and forms require some sort of touch, smell, sight, whatever to register. Then its like nothingness or who even knows ha. Sounds kinda sad but then there may be no mind to register emotions/feelings or it may not remember what it lost. Ahh. I have no idea. It seems nice having eyes, ears, noses, hands, legs, thoughts, etc. for the time being. If we are all one universal consciousness, then the me's that are still operating with eyes and ears will still get to keep on doing that and I guess this thing just keeps on going and evolving forever. If this reality is like the matrix then that's a whole other thing. If there are all these rabbit holes, uh I guess that's cool too. If this is all a dream within a dream within a dream, well then I guess that would be another thing too. The notion of no longer being the form as a human perspective self feels kinda like the last day of school where you had a good time and things are about to change and you feel sad that what you were experiencing is over but also curious about the future.

I have removed a lot of distractions and I finished some addictions last week. Overall I feel better, more productive and more focused + motivated to go eat life... however, I have also realized, this doesn't give me joy. It just gives me relief that if I "sort out" stuff in life, like, career and personal development the next years, I will stop suffering so much. So my motivation is completely animalistical. Fucking depresses me that I will spend maybe the next 5 years just trying to get by in life , constantly trying to sort out the stuff I lack, in what it seems an overwhelming, long, dull errand which I don't have fun. I think the only moments I do experience some relief (now that I quit my regular addiction which used to provide me with that relief) is when I meditate. Some days I concentrate and in the middle of that boring nothingness, ironically life gets really fun. It's like... duh... can't I have some joy ?? I mean I don't think that I need to be in an amusement park. I just want to feel happy and joyful doing life. Like, I could be working on my career, and not getting stressed about trying to get a job in the sector before its loo late. I could be going out , and instead of trying to be so alfa, perfect and serious, try to laugh my ass off and express with joy and exuberance each interaction with each human being that I like. But no, everything is sooo fucking serious. Everything is at stake. My suffering is at stake. Me trying to sort out my personal shit is a stake. Each is one day less I have before my ego its 100% closed and I will forever be my faulty "me". (Not my succesful me). So everything is at stake. For the ego, each day it's a race. No day has joy. Only few moments, seconds, which are of course appreciated as pure gold. It's so ridiculous

@Breakingthewall Depends on what you mean by deactivation, if it's non-doership or nothingness/emptiness. I did both, but in day to day life it's impossible for me to maintain any state, non doership or emptiness.

@aetheroar if you have done nn dmt multiple times, i would consider doing 5 meo dmt. my experience with 5 meo resonates with what you explain. many times, in doing so, I disappear completely and there is nothing. the core of reality is absolute emptiness ... and that's it. I would not call it I am not, but neither i am . nothing, nothing empty. the ego doesn't like it, I don't know how you can get there without psychedelics. Doing it as you have done, meditating, seems to me a huge achievement. If I do it again later, or the next day, this has happened: I disappear and there is nothing, but that nothing opens, it acquires an absolutely evident quality: it is infinite. I am absolutely emptiness, but that emptiness, in its infinity, is total. absolutely total, and then that emptiness is an absolute joy. it's everything, full, and that's what I am. it is the same emptiness, the same nothingness, but it reveals itself as the infinite source through which you flow. nothing that the mind, at least mine, can even remotely understand. As this has happened with chemist, I don't understand the process that makes it possible, but I would say that the difference between emptiness and infinity is: completely accept emptiness without any reservation or expectation. annihilate yourself by becoming nothing, fully accepting your disappearance

@aetheroar Just because the seperate self is gone, doesn't mean it's the end. It definitely is the end for the seperate self. But it's not the end for God. The awakening of God has only started. Now it's no longer an individual trying to wake up (because it has already died). Now it's God waking up to Itself. It has nothing to do with a seperate self anymore. The game of existence is not about dissolving the seperate self and realizing Nothingness. The game of existence is God waking up to Itself. Realizing that that Nothingness/Consciousness is God in a low state of consciousness, and the actual game can start now. The place where meditators say they reached liberation and stop, is actually the start of Gods journey, of God waking up to Itself.

@aetheroar You have dissolved illusions and now all that's left is Consciousness/Nothingness? This Consciousness/Nothingness is God/Love, but not in it's pure form. For that to happen you must increase your consciousness. It is unlikely that you will get there simply by deconstructing and dissolving illusions, that's why few traditional meditators like Buddhists wake up to God. And if you get there simply through deconstructing, it will most likely only be subtle. You can realize that your current state (Consciousness/Nothingness) IS God and Love, but that is veeeeeery different from ACTUALLY BECOMING God and Love. Who becomes God? God. God is whatever is happening right now. But God is in a low state of consciousness, not very conscious of Itself. To become more conscious of Itself, to awaken to Itself, consciousness needs to increase. The easiest way is psychedelics. Next is taking psychedelics in dreams and lucid dreams. Next are transmissions, imo. The best is the Pure Divinity transmission and SAT. But others are good too. You need to get them regularly for months, till they get so strong that your whole body is buzzing from the energy, you are completely submerged in the energy, that's when it's really altering your state of consciousness. And if your baseline is high enough and you had done enough self inquiry to clear the way, then you can break through to God Infinity Love.

@BipolarGrowth I remember infinite consciousness as a 7 year old child. Nothingness when I was 16. (I'm 23 now) All of the vipassana nanas and samata jhanas. Stream entry is a joke compared to the knowledges of suffering. I wish it wasn't. If you want to classify me somewhere, it would be 2nd or 3rd path. What's bringing non-doership and enlightenment to the next level has something to do with suffering outside of formal practice.

Thank you for your post ?? I broke down in suffering a few weeks ago. A voice I never thought would come through me, used this vessel to send me the message I needed. How can I ever come wake you up from your dream if all of your dreams are good and pleasant? You would be stuck in the illusion forever… I think suffering is there as a reminder that “we” have bought in the illusion and identification with thoughts, identity, separateness and duality to much. Think of it as the ribbed edges of highway roads. When you don’t pay attention to them or when you fall asleep on the road, they quickly wake you up with the vibrating noise your car “vessel” makes when you drive over them. Its just there for yourself to guide yourself back to your original Self. Because your finite self don’t think it will be at peace unless it’s the Infinite Self, in every sense of what that word might mean for You. But thats also a thought and a mechanism that comes from the separateness illusion. You are already perfect and love, you just want to know that you are before you disappear in nothingness again.

Everything is shapes in nothingness, so they are nothing, but on the other hand, nothingness makes shapes, so it is everything

I see, I think I can relate a little bit. There's just primordial nothingness as an ever present presence that can't be found or pointed to. That I am. That's self-realization for me. But definitely no sense of infinity or supernova galactic explosion of energy. It's just nondual nothingness beyond any quality and makes no sense whatsoever. I think the sense of infinity when people speak, they speak about an infinite mind which comes after 4th jhana, where all the telephaty and godstuff opens up. I'm not a budhhist so it's not my territory but I've heard goenka slightly talk about it in his satipatthana discourse about these things. It's also possible that you simply skipped those states and went straight to shoonya or total dissolution. Which is very possible if you followed a budhhist teaching because buddha was very clear that total dissolution is the only important thing, everything else is just a spiritual entertainment. They do this in yoga aswell. I think you'd enjoy watching this video. There's a full video on this subject in the sadhguru exclusive app but it's not available for free sorry ? Pranam ?

Hi @aetheroar Great post. When you say gods realization do you mean state of infinite love or smth? I think from a purely intelectual level there can't be anything beyond nothingness and that nothingness is your self. That's self-realization. Maybe levels of ego dissolution can be there but nothingness has no levels. I mean it's just logical, you'd have to dumb to disagree ? but states of love is a different thing. Idk if there's anyone here who could help you. If the claims you made are true, then you should know better than anybody here about these things. Regards ?❤