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@kray this could be helpful.. The discomfort and "undesirable" states you are experiencing can be reframed. When you consider that the growth and change you seek can only come from destabilizing the stabilized rigid perceptions, which are the obstruction to your growth, you can potentially take some of the sting out and have a salty appreciation for them. Awakening isnt a bliss bath. I enjoy me some Alan Watts, Tao, anything that tackles the nature of duality.. Understanding human psychology, our primal wiring can be helpful too.

@Inliytened1 there is just bliss and enjoing existence when I do that, everything else somehow goes in background, almost vanishes or is absorbed by this existence But that doesnt help me to understand what Leo says

Yes, you were awoke, before you went to sleep (by imagining finite forms). So why can't it happen again? You awaken and again go back to the business of creating finite forms. You imagine up a form. And then you do spiritual practices to attain enlightenment to realise that your were constructing all these forms all along. So technically Sadhguru says you can break the cycle of creating forms and destroying them. (Imagining forms and their death) You could never break the cycle I guess. Is it the case that once you attain enlightenment, you are always awoke forever? Sadhguru says you can break the cycle, which means you will be in infinite bliss forever without being attached to a form. But if reality is infinite imagination there is no reason why you shouldn't be imagining more forms. (Even after you have awoken) In summary: According to Sadhguru: Enlightenment totally breaks life and death cycle and you never go back to imagining forms again. You are awoke forever. But then before you imagined your birth, you were awoke. You decided to take up a human form. (Awoke-> sleep) What I am asking is that why can't the same process repeat again, once you attain enlightenment? Why can't you go back to sleep. So is Sg wrong, because it defeats the purpose of enlightenment? Else reality isn't infinite imagination. Because awoke forever, means you can no longer imagine finite forms(ie never sleep again).

"aaaahhhh i love the way it burns when i pee, this is true bliss " why? you're selling it well, i'm in

I agree so much with what @Preety_India said. But also with I guess whatever "has" to go through this intense fear or pain: Is the part of us that thinks that there is a prerequisite to Love/Bliss/Untity. That part of us that has been programmed or taken on as belief: That to get something we have to go through something rough. This black and white way of thinking in this world, has been going on for too long. And that system is shattering more and more now. All we have to do, is to be willing to give up the old paradigm and give in to Unconditional Love.

I know this doesn't prove anything. I just find this fascinating for me personally. I thought i might share Seeker: Sadhguru, how come even some Enlightened beings have physical afflictions? Why don’t they cure themselves? For example, Ramakrishna Paramahamsa had cancer. Sadhguru: Ramakrishna Paramahamsa was not interested in all this physical business. He was in the bliss body; simply blissful. The physical body, he was not bothered, mental body, he was not bothered, pranic body, he was not bothered. When a person is like that, the body may rot. He does not care. When Ramana sat for meditation, he just sat for fourteen years and his whole body was full of sores and insect bites. Animals came and bit him and he just sat because he had nothing to do with the body. If it heals, it heals. If it doesn’t heal, it doesn’t heal. He treats the mind and mental body the same way. If cancer comes, he doesn’t care. He doesn’t even feel he has cancer because he feels it is not in him. Only people on the path of kriya yoga are capable of attending to the body in a scientific way. Others do not pay attention to it. Usually, they are incapable of too much activity. A Ramana or a Ramakrishna would not be able to trek with me to the Himalayas, let alone at my pace. Physically they are very incapable, because they were not bothered about taking care of their bodies. Their growth did not involve building a certain body. So they never attended to those things. They attained through their own intelligence and their own intensity, not following any system. Only people on the path of kriya, the Realized yogis, are physically very fit and their bodies will be properly kept. For them there is no problem. They cross the border and they come back. They smuggle things across (laughs). For them, it’s a daily affair. That’s the difference between a saint and a Guru. Saints somehow cross the border. They are wonderful people. They will bless you and their blessings are good to receive.

Doing my 2nd ever Ayahuasca experience later today. Bit nervous. The 1st was euphoric bliss generally, but I was very in my ‘head’ analysing everything that was happening one question, I remember Leo saying how profound psychedelic insights are … if you can remember them! I found this so true last time. It had me laughing in hysterics how true that was. I had some epic insights, but 10 mins later there was some other epic insight, and I forgot the previous one. Ha. question is, should I write a few quick sentences of notes as these insights come up so I hopefully remember them, or would this take me out of the moment?

I don't want to make this a full trip report and describe the entire thing. But basically, I took one puff of a disposable vape pen like this one: And depersonalized / derealized / dissociated (idk what the technical term would be) for like 3 hours. This was a grey market vape pen (weed is legal here, but only through government-run or approved dispensaries) so it's possible it contained synthetic cannabinoids like spice or something crazy. But I had a very similar experience with 100% for sure pure/authentic THC oil from the government before as well. The seller seemed reputable and had lots of positive reviews from this product that seemed like they were from real people. In a place where weed is legal, I don't think they can get away with cutting their product with fake stuff nowadays. So I'm pretty convinced it was pure THC and I guess weed is just not for me. The main thing that really freaked me out was... it was like I was following myself a split second after the fact. And I could jump between being slightly behind myself, in the present moment, or slightly in the future. I guess my main concern is... if I react this badly to cannabis, am I going to have a similar experience with mushrooms or DMT? I thought I was just going to relax a little bit as an introduction to mind-altering substances but I blasted all the way off the deep end into insanity. I haven't done mushrooms before, but this is literally what I would've expected a 3+ gram or more mushroom trip to feel like. I had to lay in bed in the dark listening to music to try and hold onto the present moment, and every 10 minutes at a time felt like an hour. I had maybe 20% positive and 80% negative from it. I think I felt what Nothingness is at one point, and absolute bliss at another point. But then waves of feeling terrible would always come back and took up a lot more of the time. This CAN'T be what taking 1 hit of weed feels like to normal people. There's no way Elon Musk could do a podcast in this state, there's no way Snoop Dogg could record music in this state. I couldn't do this and then play video games and just chill out. I'm wondering what it all means... Does cannabis just not agree with me? Is the plant trying to tell me I'm not ready? Is being this sensitive a sign of spiritual development, or a lack of spiritual development? Should I still try mushrooms or DMT to see if I react better to them? Or is this a sign my mind is too weak and if I try a more potent substance I may permanently go insane? After being in that state I definitely have a newfound appreciation for being sober and living in reality. I don't want to go back there any time soon.

@axiom (Also no advocation for this act here) When “it’s” all seen through, there is only love-bliss, and not even. There is no ‘you’ which could be burned alive, have levels of anything, or remain un-identified. But of course, thought…

Dimension of Oneness Spirit Guide: At this final level you come to what might be quite a startling revelation. You come to see that there is no universe at all outside of you. There are no “other” beings playing this game with you. There never were. It was all, always, just you. You discover that every other being that played every single other role, that imagined every single other being was really just another version of you. As you enter The Dimension of Oneness you remember all your other incarnations, inventions, creations, actions. All of it. And there is no one and nothing that you cannot, at that moment, remember being and doing. You were and are ALL OF IT. And there is not one little atom anywhere that you did not imagine into being, not one blazing star that you did not cause to shine. There is not one single life that you did not live. At The Dimension of Oneness you are, in every possible sense, the whole universe. You are IT! And so there is nothing to wonder about. Nothing to try to know. Nothing to try to understand. Nothing to do. Nothing to change. Nothing to forgive. Nothing to heal. It all just IS. And it is all YOU. Greg: What can one do with that information? For myself I have two different responses. First my heart leaps with joy. I absolutely love this. I can’t get over how things that I have taken to be spiritual truths are coming together in this stuff you are now sharing with me. It is simply astounding and very beautiful. It makes me happy to think that this is true. And that is great. But then my head chimes in and say “no”. There are people here on earth getting up to some pretty funny stuff. And I don’t mean funny as in humorous. And, well... I’m not sure I want to be them very much. Spirit Guide: I comprehend perfectly. But, my dear friend, isn’t it then perfect? You don’t have to do any of those things or make any of those choices because someone else is already taking care of that for you. You are free to get on with the life you want to live thanks to them. Greg: I thought there is no "someone else" in existence when you reach the dimension of oneness. Isn't that right? Spirit Guide: That’s right. But here now is an additional level of understanding. Not only are you released from the need to do these other things but, indeed, when you are finally ready, after your long and winding journey all the way up through the dimensions, then you will finally arrive at the remembrance that indeed it was all you. And in that remembrance will also come perfect comprehension. Not only did you do all of these things but you will, in that moment, know exactly how it came to be that you did what you did. Perfect knowledge with perfect compassion will yield perfect bliss. Greg: Yes. I feel what you are saying in my heart. Thank you for that. So then, what does such a being DO? I mean what is it like to be a whole universe? Spirit Guide: Everything. Nothing. It depends on your perspective. There is no real way to answer that question. Such a being does “the universe”, in so much as the universe needs any doing. Maybe a better answer is to say that It dreams. And you are Its dreams, all of you. Greg: And you? Spirit Guide: Why, yes! I am a part of this being’s dream and I am also dreaming this dream. But I am also aware of myself elsewhere, outside of this particular dream, playing parts in utterly different dreams. In due course you will awaken to the complexity of that awareness of yourself, too. But that is an entirely different conversation. Greg: Okay. What dimension do you perceive yourself as residing at? Spirit Guide: You know, we are all actually that supreme, dimension of oneness, being. There where this whole universe and everyone and everything is One – THERE we are that being. But you see, implicit in that fact is the understanding that there is only one such being experiencing itself as being many, many beings who are experiencing themselves as existing in many different states of consciousness in these dimensions within the mind of The One great being. Greg: I think I get what you are saying. We are all that being and we are all part of it but obviously you could not be all of it. No more than I could be. Spirit Guide: You know the funny thing is that we ARE actually, each of us, all of it. We are each The Dimension of Oneness Being. But we are very hard at work creating a very powerful illusion that we are not. The illusion is called “separateness”. It is the ego. It is the idea that we are not one being. It is the identification with our creations rather than our truest being, which is oneness. If we were to change our identification and let go of all of these illusions then we would each see that we are one, that we are in fact THE One. That there is nothing but Self everywhere you look. Greg: It’s a paradox. I like it and it seems true but I also don’t understand it. Spirit Guide: You are right, it is a paradox. Many of the greatest truths will be paradoxical to you. Seeing such paradoxes are a sign that you are travelling quite fast on the awakening path. Your whole life you have only seen one side of a coin. You thought that was all there was to the coin. Now you see the other side and your mind is confused but your heart says both views are true. The only way to resolve this paradox is for you to come to full realization of the coin. You will come to see that it is not a thing with two different sides but indeed an object with depth, weight and texture that you can experience in many more ways than just the two sides you have now discovered. My best advice is to enjoy these paradoxes as they come up. It is a good sign that you encounter them. It means new insight is on its way. But let me complete the answer to your question. We are The One playing a game of hide-and-seek with Ourself. You are a part of The One that has chosen a corner of the third dimension to hide yourself in. I stand at the cusp, on the very lintel, between the 7th and The Dimension of Oneness. I am at a place where I am suddenly becoming aware of myself as being everywhere and in everything. I am therefore right there with you in 3D, too. This dawns upon me as the new truth that I am busy awakening to. I know I truly and ultimately am and as that which I am longing to experience myself to be. Being at one with All That Is, is my desire and my destination. Very soon I will awaken from my slumbers here in the 7th dimension of existence and I will know that there is no separation. I will know experientially my true nature. As you and everyone and everything eventually will. And this brings me right back to the dimensions. You will notice I have chosen to describe them to you in quite a personal way. I spoke to the way you might experience them directly. I did not try to tell you conclusively what each dimension really IS, rather I told you a little of how you might experience yourself if you resided at that dimensional level. To try to describe the dimensions themselves is not actually possible. Each being will experience them slightly differently and some will experience them radically differently. And it is only when you are ready to know that all experiences are equally true, equally valid and that all experiences ARE your experiences that you will have the full, final comprehension of what each of the dimensions are. And then, of course, you will be The Dimension of Oneness Being. February 15th, 2022.

What I'm pointing to is that the deeper your self love becomes, the less unnecessary problems you will face. It doesn't mean there won't be challenges. True bliss is not dependent on circumstance. If you love working on a problem, and the problem gets solved, what happens to your sense of fun then ?

@Wilhelm44 What's the difference between the fun of solving a problem and bliss?

Bliss is more fun

@Prakhar “Man’s mind may be likened to a garden, which may be intelligently cultivated or allowed to run wild; but whether cultivated or neglected, it must, and will, bring forth.“ “Every thought-seed sown or allowed to fall into the mind, and to take root there, produces its own, blossoming sooner or later into act, and bearing its own fruitage of opportunity and circumstance. Good thoughts bear good fruit, bad thoughts bad fruit.“ “Act is the blossom of thought, and joy and suffering are its fruits; thus does a man garner in the sweet and bitter fruitage of his own husbandry.” “As the reaper of his own harvest, man learns both by suffering and bliss.” “By pursuing this process, a man sooner or later discovers that he is the master gardener of his soul, the director of his life.” - As a man Thinketh- James alllen

This shit was funny as hell, I can’t. I’m loving this ’extra’ non-bullshit, straight to the point vibe from ya. Go Leo! P.S. You have probably thought about this a bunch already but maybe now, seriously, consider taking a break from this public work and just bask in your own high vibrational energy, bliss and satisfaction for a while. Enjoy life a bit, won’t ya

Watch Sadghuru please. Guys we have to stop this victimhood mentality towards the Monster (or inner Child, which is an eufemism of the Monster to protect itself ?). Sadghuru says It pretty clear imo: "What has happened is that your intelligence has turned against you" "If you had the controls of this machine, wouldnt you create the best possible bliss for yourself?" Imagine Sadghuru crying like a bitch hoping to finally "heal his inner Child" muahahhaha its just ridiculous guys. We are NOT the inner Child. We are not whatever fucked Up bullshit mechanism has taken the controls through the years. Just take the controls and generate / create What you want. YES, its obviously better said than done, But no, lets stop feeding this narrative of "i have to take Care of "my" inner Child"). Sadghuru would laugh of having to heal any inner Child. He just get high AF when he wants because he has the controls. Hes not the Monsters bitch, as many of us are.

@Raptorsin7 Is that you? @Baum Could you please elaborate on that? Yes, my kundalini isn’t awake to the degree you are describing it (complete awake in the third eye & crown chakra). There are three knots in the spine and the first one has been untied (kundalini can flow up to the heart knot). Will do a detailed post soon but I basically have the typical kundalini arousal symptoms (orgasmic sensations & heat in the spine, uncontrollable laughter, love, bliss, etc.) Makes sense, thanks!

@Javfly33 The monster- your negative thoughts, beliefs, habits and behaviors come from your subconscious mind. Which controls 90% of your brain. While your conscious mind (will power, decision making) controls 10%. Your subconscious mind starts developing in young childhood where you start to gather ideas, beliefs, habits and behaviors from experiences and things you observe around you from parents, friends, family members etc. This is what forms who you are as a person. This “monster” you are labeling is you, your inner child. We are our worst enemy but we can also be our own best friend. This inner child doesn’t need to be destroyed or hurt…it needs love, to heal, to let go, to be forgiven! Your inner child needs to heal- it can take time and is a multi-step process. Going to a hypnotist helps! Unraveling the negative feelings and where they are rooted from and how they started. Most negative emotions are started from some sort of lack of self love or self worth. I like to think of my emotions as a compass. The goal is to feel happy, peace, love and bliss- going in the right direction. And if you aren’t feeling well, unhappy, negative - something needs to be changed and shifted. I honor my negative emotions for letting me know what I don’t want, so I can go after the things in life I do want. These emotions are a guide that you deserve something better. Learning to control negative emotions can help. Deep breathing to calm down helps me alot. Find a technique that works for you- exercise, yoga, meditation, etc. Negative emotions can also be triggered by food intake as well. Junk food does not help, and can induce issues for some individuals. I found out several years ago I was allergic to wheat gluten and corn, which causes my thyroid to shut down and unable to process emotions properly. I was misdiagnosed as bipolar for years because of something I ate. You are not alone in what you are experiencing. Everyone here in this forum has their own inner monsters/inner child’s they are healing. Be patient and kind with yourself when you are healing. You will get there! Best of luck to you!

It includes them as what they are: projections of your mind. Bliss/terror Alone/together Both tend to arise together. It's gonna freak you out when you realize your mother is imaginary. Hard to avoid that. Once you face and surrender to that, then the love and bliss comes.

@Leo Gura it's interesting you say the higher you go the more alone you are. The seperation when in duality causes a sense of lonliness when you perceive yourself as seperate you feel alone. In my experiences I felt less lonely or that wasn't ever on my radar as I was so caught up in the experience. Seeing all as cells within one body. I too have had terrifying experiences where it felt like nothing was real I had one experience multiple times from just smoking weed where I felt like I went back to the "beginning" silence and a feeling of going from orgasmic bliss to utter terror. Like I was coming together just to be broken apart into tiny little pieces I "knew" this was eternity. My body would go into random yogic positions and I couldnt grasp onto anything I felt like I was dying. I felt unholy and dirty. I also asked this question many times to people who have had these experiences of becoming the void or becoming love/God and they all say there is no loneliness whatsoever. One person described it as feeling as if she had been washed clean. I wonder why you don't make that distinction between aloneness and lonely? This is why I like talking with people who have had near death experiences or awakenings that weren't brought on my psychedelics they seem to have a cleaner feel to them with less fear. I sense you have a hard time with the alone feel and almost want to hammer it in to other people.

learn to love the work or practice. too much love for practice can paralyze u and no love at all can make u hate the practice. there is a sweet spot of balance to how much u can love the practice or job. find it and do the practice or work with the correct balance of love when u push yourself always push within 5 % outside your comfort zone.when u push within 5 % outside your comfort zone , u will be in flow state , meaning u will be in a bliss when making the change. u will happy about pushing . if u do that then u will move form point a to point b without effort. means moving from over weight to 15 %body weight without effort. so always push within 5 % out of comfort zone and u will be happy and in deep bliss about u making the change

There’s a really weird peculiar type of awakening you can have. It’s where you see the entire supposed outer world as your very own reflection. So reflective that it can not be explained until experienced. You can’t look at the walls of your home, certainly not other people in the eyes and see anything other than yourself. So your ‘I’ becomes everything, all inward all outward seeming things. So it collapses in and of itself there’s nowhere to look nowhere to go other than just… well that’s an experience, but something that you probably can’t even call an experience. It just is what it is. Your ‘I’ so collapses in on itself that you realise you were never an ‘I’ but that you are the all, and then paradoxically you find yourself as the ultimate ‘I’, the only ‘I’, ant then what the fuck do ya do??‍♂️?. Here you are, doing this, being this. Until you give it up completely. It’s a choice. You don’t realise it’s a choice. But it is. And you choose the dream over the infinite bliss or however you want frame it. Your ‘I’ is the only ‘I’, hence ‘ I AM’

I DESIRE , BUT I CANNOT MATERIALIZE ALL MY DESIRE SO I SUFFER. I TELL MYSELF IF I CAN STOP DESIRING ALTOGRTHER MY SUFFERING WILL END, BUT TO NOT DESIRE IS OF ITSELF A DESIRE. THE DESIRER IS THE DESIRE, TO CEASE TO DESIRE WOULD BE TO CEASE TO EXTIST AS A CONSCIOUS SELF. THESE IDEAS OF LIBERATION FROM DESIRE ARE ONLY PROJECTIONS OF THE DESIRER, TO SIT UNDER A TREE IN NIRVANA, ETERNAL BLISS STILL HOLDS THE PRESUMPTION THERE IS A SELF THERE TO EXPERIENCE THAT BLISS BUT THERES NO ONE. THERE IS NO WAY OUT THAT INCLUDES ME COMING OUT ALIVE. Ofcourse this is just how I feel currently with my limited level of consciousness but people who've done more work than me can you explain the flaw in my thinking because I can't seem to solve this riddle. I know to some it might seem silly

You are not only one saying that "I'm GOD" , BUT you are the only one saying, that's scary, lonely, hard for stomach etc. Other teachers say only about love, bliss. So either they don't want to scare any spiritual pursuers away, and you are the only one saying it realistically, or something went wrong during your way.

Total bliss is what you fear most. You call it death. God's goodness will kill you.