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Nak Khid replied to ivankiss's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
On top of that he believes nonduality exists! -
VeganAwake replied to ivankiss's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Synchronicity actually I think you're an amazing super intelligent guy. ❤ I was trying to help with a misunderstanding that had me confused for a very long time. In my experience there has been several layers to understanding nonduality. Some lucky people get it in one shot but I am going through a gradual Enlightenment experience. I would like to awaken at least one person on this forum, it would be a cherry on the ice cream sundae. Maya runs deep and it's much more clever than I originally understood.... It can transform into a loving and spiritual ego. You can always spot the ego by the feelings of guilt, separation and incompleteness. The ego always wants more more money more power more knowledge More Love more enlightenment more of everything it's never satisfied. This work involves emptying your glass and realizing you are trapped in The Matrix before starting. It's not easy but it is also not hard. I love this quote: "The great way is not difficult for those who have no preferences" When you drop the false self and become nobody you realize you are the all-encompassing one consciousness. ❤ Is this something you think you can do? -
VeganAwake replied to ivankiss's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
I wasn't thinking about just you when I posted it. I'm trying to help you and a few others understand that duality is an illusion from direct experience. ❤ The broader perspective you are claiming is the misunderstanding itself. You're transcending nonduality talk is the ego at work. It's almost as if you are claiming to understand infinity + 1, which obviously makes no sense, since we are describing the all-encompassing already. You are trying to understand the absolute with the mind which is impossible. You are seeking outside of yourself and not doing the difficult work of turning within and dropping the false self(Maya). This will hurt your ego and it will immediately want to resist this information but I assure you it's the truth. Remember if you think you already know the answer, you won't do the difficult work. This is actually what is meant by: "The biggest obstacle to Discovery is not ignorance, its the illusion of knowledge" meaning if you think you already know the answer, it will blind you from finding the truth. This seeking outside of yourself can keep you trapped in Maya your whole life. I love you bro ❤ ❤ I hope you can appreciate the straightforwardness of this message. It's from my heart and the very definition of tough love. ❤ I'm always here if you want to chat more on private message ❤ -
Synchronicity replied to ivankiss's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Yes exactly. Perhaps it would’ve been better for me to say I’m speaking from a perspective that “unites duality and Nonduality” rather than “beyond duality and Nonduality” -
I don't even know if it was a date, you'll know later why. So, there's this woman, a secretary from the work I left one and a half years ago. Ever since I worked there, I could tell that she'd had a crush on me, and I deserved it because I was the superstar there, I was a super productive workaholic. I didn't really have any feelings towards her at that time. I would treat her with kindness like I would do with any other woman. Anyway, so right after I left that job, she kept contacting me to keep in touch. And then we decided to go every morning and walk together as she was (still is) overweight and I wanted to help her out. We walked for almost a week and she told me all about her past. She's divorced, mother to three girls but has difficulties in being able to contact them, has a painful traumatic past, her husband was physically abusive to her and her children, and she has mother issues (if that's even a thing). However, I stopped talking to her because I sensed that she started making excuses to stop the daily morning walk. I completely cut off texting or calling her, I even deleted her phone number. She contacted me twice after I stopped talking to her and asked me if anything was wrong. I responded kindly with fake answers. And that was that. After that, I went celibate for a year (almost until now), with not really much friends, with the intention of finding "the truth" (done). And the only time she contacted me was the night before Valentine's day (romantic gesture?), she called offering me a new job opportunity elsewhere. I didn't recognise her at first, but then she reminded me and I responded kindly and thanked her and with complete respect, I rejected the job immediately, since I was focused on my goal and I didn't want to distract myself with work or relationships. Anyway, in April this year I started a new job, and she ended up finding out about it from my brother who replaced me there where she works. She (and actually my former boss and colleagues) would always ask my brother about me and send me greetings, and I wouldn't respond. So, as soon as she knew where I work, she came to visit me. She definitely surprised me, but I didn't really care. I told her that I want to be alone and she hoped that I would come back to normal. Days go by and she starts texting me again, and I, as usual, compliment and flirt with her, like I would do with any other woman if she's receptive. When I was working with her, I even created a nickname for her and she liked it only from me. On her birthday, I gave her a bracelet as a gift, but so did the other co-workers (different gifts obviously). She also visited me at work once again last week. Now we're done with the background story, and on to the date: We decided to meet today at sunset at the same park. We walked a little and talked then sat down on a park bench. We talked about how our past year went and etc... and then we walked again to move our location. We went to an isolated part of the park, and I asked her if it's okay, she said of course. We sat down and the dark started crawling. We talked for almost two hours about all kinds of stuff, BUT, and here's the interesting part, she would talk to me about her boobs (she didn't actually use the word boobs) and about her period. She would tell me that she's done so much ultrasound tests because she's afraid of cancer (she doesn't have any), and that her beasts hurt her all the time and that she gets relieved when she wears her bra, and that she didn't use to wear a bra at home, and that she feels relief if they're squeezed, and so on.. And then she would tell me about her ovaries and stuff and pain related to them, and that eversince she got divorced she developed that pain while not getting into any other relationships whatsoever, I interpreted this as a sign for being horny and wanting to have sex. And here goes the mixed signals that she would send. I do some random thing like crossing my legs and she does the same, I do something else and she doesn't. She confused the hell out of me. I even got a boner and adjusted my penis inside my pants while she was talking about her boobs and how big they are (reminder: she's overweight) and how their weight worsen the pain for her. I mean I shouldn't be such a pervert but come on! This is girl to girl stuff. Why is she telling me that? I thought about making a gesture but I didn't find the mood to be appropriate. We have the typical bumping hands gesture (??) so I did this as much as I could so I can show her that I'm interested in her (not love, just sex, I'm not ready for a relationship yet). We talked about non-duality and philosophy, she doesn't know about nonduality but I used a simplified language to explain it to her. She told me that she doesn't want to get married ever again, and I told her that I will eventually have to get married and she didn't seem upset. She told me that she is afraid of the future, since she does not have a stable job and doesn't have a family to support her. But she still would refuse the idea of marriage. We got cold so we walked again, and I walked her home and she said that we should go out more often and then we parted, and story's over. Soooo... Guys: what would you do? Go. Ladies: WTF is going on FFS? Is she messing with my head? Is she in love with me? Does she find the warmth that her mother didn't provide only with me? I don't have a clue what she is up to. But I can simply just ignore all that and continue living my life and I don't have a problem with meeting her in a friendly way. I just want more clarity. Sides notes: I am borderline poor, not Alpha and not Beta. Just a normal dude with a little more than the average consciousness and kind of semi-self-actualized, and with amazing complimenting texting skills as she once told me and as I have been told recently from another girl. I haven't spent a cent on her except for the birthday gift I've given her two years earlier.
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Synchronicity replied to ivankiss's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Inliytened1 No I’m speaking from a broader point of view. One that’s beyond duality and Nonduality -
VeganAwake replied to ivankiss's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
I actually think you misunderstood me. I am saying Duality is an illusion, it is not real, it is not both, and neither is impossible because there's only nonduality or Oneness. Your example here is a lack of complete understanding and experience. We can still peacefully disagree ❤ ❤ -
peanutspathtotruth replied to ivankiss's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
But even that is just a thought. For nonduality to be there needs to be an opposite. For Oneness to be, there would need to be not-Oneness. By naming it, you automatically imply that there is a contrast to that. That's why all that needs to be let go of. You can realize oneness and not see that that is still an interpretation of that which has no opposite, which can't be named. Duality and Non-Duality is still a pair, still a contrast. Even all that jargon is too much already! -
VeganAwake replied to ivankiss's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Its not the same thing bud...The glass analogy is a true perspective, as in both statements are correct. Calling an illusion reality is a lack of understanding. Oneness or nonduality is all there is. Duality is a figment of the imagination, I mind made fictitious belief. Its Maya!! But you don't have to take my word for it find out for yourself. You are very clever ❤ Here is one of my favorite quotes: " The biggest obstacle to Discovery is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge" -
VeganAwake replied to ivankiss's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Remember Duality is an illusion, don't make it into something real. Although the waves appear to be separate there still the ocean. All the sandcastles on the beach are still just the sand on the beach. Duality does not equal nonduality because duality never actually existed it was just your mind that created it. There is no other it's always just been oneness. This is the meaning of nonduality. The separation never occurred it was just your mind that tricked you into believing you were a limited separate self. Saying duality = nonduality is like saying the Mirage of the soda machine in the desert is the same as the soda machine....it is not, the soda machine will give you a cold soda. The Mirage will have you walking until you dehydrate and die. Make sense? Love you all ❤ -
ivankiss replied to ivankiss's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Inliytened1 Nope. The chair is not the table. One can argue there's no chair and no table. One can argue both are made out of the same substance. But if there is a chair, it is certainly not the table. Nowhere to go; everywhere to go. Within stillness I move. There is no actual difference between duality and nonduality. -
Nak Khid replied to ivankiss's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Just use one of the less religious synonyms for God instead and proceed, substitute on of these words: Everything The All Consciousness Nonduality The Universe Existence -
I'm new to the forum. Hello! Being generous. Listening to others. Allowing them to be. Allowing them to enter the stillness within me. Acknowledging that everyone is made of the same substance as me. Seeing them as more than who they appear to be, but for who they truly are: pure consciousness, or God. Nonduality. The illusion of the ego. My question is this: How do I find motivation to form deep, meaningful connection with others, when I’ve grown so detached from my ego that I’m only able to see sharing myself as a form of ego inflation? Is there a balance I need to find between relating to others in terms of being and ego? Of unconditional love for the universe and my human need to connect to others? I'm emphasizing friendships over romantic relationships, though I think the answer to my dilemma will be the same for the latter. How do I handle this situation of having no drive to want meaningful relationships, when I've identified wanting as a form of egoic action? Is this something I should seek in the first place?
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Preface: This was the first proper trip after my last one which was preceeded by a panic attack and subsequent ego death. I was not entirely sure if I was ready for another round however I felt really good this morning and decided to go in again. The Come Up: Just like last trip the body panicked upon intake of the tea. However this time I was able to stay completely calm. The heart and stomach were beating, yet the mind was calm and clear. And after a couple of minutes the body panic stopped and the trip started. The trip: After the heart beat returned to normal there was a simple sentence that came to me: "Remember, the Darkness is the Light". And as it turned out this should be theme of the trip. The Darkness The trip started of dark. Really dark. Mushrooms can be like that. Someone once wrote here that it's kinda like being dropped of on a random planet. Pretty accurate I would say. Well this planet was at war. I had a vision of someone being tortured. Me being the one leading the interrogation and the one taking the pain. I had vision of a couple young boys having a fight and beating the living shit out of each other. I had a vision of an Asian genocide happening before my eyes. Lastly I had a vision of some violent alien race pillaging the galaxy... led by some sort of hive mind. Note, I include this to be accurate. I don't know if there is any truth to that whatsoever. Yet it kinda felt like a warning. The Shadow After all that darkness I decided to take a little break. Once I came back from taking a piss I lied back down and the darkness revealed itself as the shadow. The male shadow to be exact. The male shadow is anger. And, very interestingly the female shadow is deception. I have not studied shadow work yet, however this is my direct experience. Both energies seemed to be wounded deeply and I had visions of both being acted out by people I know. Then I was also shown how to be a man. Being a man entails dealing with that shadow and shining a light on it (note that everyone has both male and female energy). And very interestingly it includes homosexuality. I have one gay friend however I noticed that I have a bit of a resistance towards being gay. That resistance was surrendered. This side of me which was resistant was able to be re-integrated. I still like women last time I checked but I feel more whole as man. The Light After all of that the Light came. I still had some violent visions however this time it was different. There was a light shining through. There was a particular scene I remember. The light merged with the darkness becoming pure light setting the scene in stone. I remembered that all that darkness is Love. It is light. It is Goodness. Love (with a capital "L") includes all of it. It is it. It is the darkness and the shadow. That is what pure Love entails. And why all the darkness? Out of Love. The Voice I still wanted to break through to God and tried to surrendered further. Then, for the first time I was able to see existence as a projection. It's a hologram. It has no substance. What we call life is a projection onto the screen of consciousness. The body is a thought and has no absolute essence. The mind is illusory and has no absolute essence. My birth is a story. I am a story. What I call "me" is a character in a game called life. It has no essence. What is left then? Isness. Pure self aware Isness. Why is there a voice inside of my head? Most of the breakthroughs I had were kind of narrated by the voice in my head (until the event horizon was passed so to speak). This time I could see how the voice lost itself. It still narrated but it lost itself in a sort of echo chamber of God. It too had no essence of itself. I, as God was talking to myself. There were no bells, whistles of ecstasy this time. It also wasn't a complete breakthrough. More of merging in and out of Nonduality. That's it. Short and sweet. Most important (for me at least) was to be able to face the fear and jump into the deep end again. There is still work to do. Don't know when I will trip again though. Have a good one! Much love
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Nak Khid replied to Michael Paul's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Here you are using a relatively much more secular word "The Absolute". I have seen you use similar words said in other statements that you have made using the word "god" and then for a moment switching to "The Universe" and "The Truth", relativity secular words You are speaking here of consensus. The consensus in America of what "God" means is that it is superior being that watches over us, judges us and cares for us, most perceiving it to be a part of a biblical dualistic paradigm. The consensus is that it refers to a being described in the Bible. The word "devils" , by consensus also has a connotation of the Christian or Islamic tradition (but if it is in the same speech as the word "god" probably not connoting Islam since they would be using the word "Allah" ) So if you use the word "god" in America or Europe and some other places, the consensus is that you are referring to "god" as described in the bible. But if you then have to explain to each stranger you meet when you said "god" you mean something else or you tell them "your are god" you would be going against the consensus and expressing you " willy-nilly" variation of the word So why do you ever use the word "God" instead instead using the word "nonduality" or "everything" or "consciousness" or "actualized" or "the universe" or "the Absolute" or "The Truth" or "The All" or "It" ? You do switch to some of these other words at times but you are still using the word "god" much more Instead of using these much more secular words why would someone not referring to a Biblically described God use the word "god" and have to explain to each new person, going against the consensus connotation that you in fact don't mean the biblical version? One reason might be that the word "God" (capital G noted) evokes a sense of authority and these other words don't or are less personal feeling -
Leo Gura replied to Existence's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
You could call it a kind of experience, but like a null experience. The experience of no experience or pure empty consciousness. It feels a lot like emptiness. It's so empty you cannot even feel it as being empty, because that's still not empty enough. "Experience" and "perception" are concepts which are already loaded with a hidden assumption of an experience and an experiencer. What you have thought of as "experience" your whole life is actually the body of God. Ultimately experience isn't experience. Experience is an improperly understood BEING. Being is not experienced or perceived. Being just is. You cannot get any more fundamental than Being. You cannot ask, "But who is experiencing Being?" Because at the level of Being there is no who and experience. You with a capital Y cannot be observed. YOU is! Again, "observation" is a loaded concept which assumes a subject/object duality which is illusory. Subjective/objective is a duality. We are talking about nonduality here, which means that you cannot ask if it is subjective or objective because there is no difference between anything in nonduality. What is a dream? A dream is when you think there is a difference between any two things, including the difference between a dream and not-a-dream. Is there a difference between a kangaroo and a refrigerator? If you said YES, then you're dreaming. You are dreaming that difference! The difference seems "real" precisely because you are dreaming it! A dream is when something, anything, seems "real". You are even dreaming the difference between "real" and "unreal". There is no such difference unless you dream it. Absolute Consciousness cannot tell the difference between what is real and what is not. -
Nak Khid replied to Michael Paul's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
I think most of the world that say they believe in God do not mean it means "everything" However for those that do, why not use the word "everything" or "consciousness" instead of "God" and with it's capital G has heavy religious connotations. Why use the word "God" and then have to explain to people you don't mean a separate being that watches over and judges us when if you used another word "nonduality" , "everything" , "consciousness", "The universe" , "existence" may not be perfect but do not have the religious baggage attached like the word "God" does? Trying to align others with your conceptualization is absolutely unnecessary, enforcing words is trivial, having the similar understanding is enough. -
Nak Khid replied to Nak Khid's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
1) please quote of there is a quote 2) The statement everything = nothing is similar to duality = nonduality Devil = God oness = duality one = all big = small hate = love 3) Given the fact that I am God and everybody else is do the most well known people who speak on and consider themselves nondualists consider themselves theists or atheists? Do most do the most well known people who speak on and consider themselves nondualists use the word God? This is not a rhetorical question I don't know and am not saying that whatever the majority of them do is the correct thing -
Forestluv replied to Nak Khid's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Logic is not transcended through logic. Sense is not transcended by making sense. This is the challenge for a logical, sensible mind. I'm trying to think logically here. . . Rather than imagining Everything as a collection of all individual things, imagine One Everything. There is no thing separate from One Everything. We cannot say "All those things over there is Everything, yet this thing is separate from Everything". . . . The is no thing that is not Everything. No thing = One Everything. There is truth and knowing prior to proof. For example, imagine there was a murder. Is there truth to that murder prior to proof? What if there was no evidence/proof of the murder. Which comes first, the truth of the murder or evidence/proof of the murder? Truth is first order and evidence/proof is second order. Similarly with knowing. There is knowing that comes prior to evidence/proof. . . Imagine you have a headache. How do you know you are experiencing pain in your head? Do you need to undergo brain scans to show neural activity as evidence of your pain? Do you need a neurologist to prove to you that you are experiencing pain in your head? What if the neurologist couldn't find evidence/proof of that you have head pain? . . . The knowing of that head pain is prior to evidence/proof of that head pain. That's hard to answer because nonduality isn't really a thing. If I were to try and answer those questions, I would keep saying that the opposite is also true and that there is an infinite number of partial truths. It would be like asking "Is what is, is?" , "Is ISness theism or atheism?", "Is the term 'God' the term 'God''?". It doesn't make sense, yet that is part of the beauty and magic of it. . . For nondual understanding, direct experience and awakening is much much more profound than analysis and conceptualization. If you want nondual exposure, there are many great speakers, youtube videos and practices. Yet ime, the fastest most certain way for direct nondual experience would be to take a psychedelic. -
Nak Khid replied to Nak Khid's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
1) what is the logic or proof behind the statement Everything = Nothing ? How do you know it makes sense? 2) Does non duality mean everything = nothing? 3) Do most adherents of nonduality consider themselves theists or atheists? 4) Is the term "God" appropriate for someone who is a nondualist? thanks -
Forestluv replied to Nak Khid's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Nak Khid Look around the room you are in. See it as One Everything. Point to a thing that isn't One Everything. There is no-thing that isn't Everything. There is Nothing to contrast Everything with. I could give many examples of meaningful practical applications. Yet any example of meaning would be relative. Thus, there is no proof of objective universal meaning. Yet, there is truth prior to "proof". . . Have you ever searched for proof that now is now? Of course not, because the truth of now is prior to any evidence/proof of now. It would be more accurately categorized as "nonduality" The Einstein quote is an insight in a certain context, yet it goes much more radical. The Einstein quote asserts that there are so many things in existence that the human mind cannot comprehend it all. This is true. Yet it isn't what is being pointed to as Everything. This is more radical and goes beyond logic. This is intuitive since logic must be within it. One cannot transcend logic with logic. . . Direct experience becomes key. -
@Leo Gura I understand completely. However, I definitely would not call my online publishing businesses soul-crushing or painful. I'm even building brands around meditation and spirituality to help introduce people to these topics who aren't ready for the full-blown nonduality side of things. On top of that, I'm coaching others now and helping them grow their businesses which is very fulfilling. I've also recently upgraded all the products (Books) I provide and the system makes sure each book we publish is very high quality and provides solutions to the customers' needs and actually helps them. I've also started my own fiction brand which requires minimal work as me and my partner have a coach who does the majority of the work for a % split, and that alone will hopefully provide substantial income after the 3-year contract is up. In terms of my own businesses, I'm beginning to outsource a lot of the work and training employees to my quality standards, therefore I know in a couple of years fully outsourcing this to where I max spend 5-10 hours a week on it will not be any issue at all, while at least maintaining similar earnings. It could also lead to my LP as it is possible to build a brand around near enough any sort of topic. Right now I completely feel this is what I want to devote my next 2-5 years too, maybe that's being stupid but it allows me incredible freedom to work on Personal Development, Health& Fitness and my Spirituality (working with Ramaji and Ananda (RASA)) and have seen amazing results in the areas in the last 6 months. Have you ever heard about how Purpose can work in 3's? I was contemplating this as I feel one of my purposes is to do with helping people achieve financial freedom as I have always been passionate about Business, Investing etc, but I also feel one day I want to become a Spiritual Teacher, however I wouldn't want to do that until I am completely finished and ready, as there's too many people I believe who simply try and talk the Ego to death and it rarely works, I endlessly listened to Eckhart/ Rupert etc for almost 2 years, and while the theory is helpful it doesn't really allow you to reach the highest levels of self-realization and is easy to take that 'back seat' route. Onto number 3 and I'm extremely passionate about Health/ Fitness, Sports (as you know from my posts lol) and Biohacking or even finding ways people can optimize their health and how they feel. Maybe you think I'm being stupid or wasting my time, but what feels right to be right now is to grow my businesses to the levels I have in mind, and keep providing products that are helping/ entertaining readers in various areas of life, and that to me is far from soul-crushing, I also did this to avoid going to University and going down a corporate route related to Investment Banking, Accounting, etc where corruption can certainly be rife. This is a stupidly long reply and I have waffled on for a while, but I hope you get the gist of what I'm trying to say
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Michael569 replied to 7thLetter's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Same here. I feel that it's the right thing to do in my life but at the same time cannot really comprehend most of the nonduality videos. Maybe I'm just pursuing it because Leo whom I respect talks about it all the time but deep inside I am not ready and won't be for many years to come because I haven't fulfilled my purpose and material needs yet. -
I find many of Leo's videos to be similar to ACIM. In this video from about 1 hour and 8 minutes Leo explains that to erase evil requires removing evil from oneself, which in turn as I understand it is to remove the sense of separation in oneself, and that sense of separation is also the foundation of the ego. Edit: Leo's explanation is a bit lukewarm here though it seems to me. I think that removing the evil in oneself also means that one's physical body can no longer be harmed. Otherwise there is a split between mental evil and physical evil and that's duality, not nonduality. And I believe evil will be eradicated from the entire world within a few decades. Leo says in the video that there will be evil still many centuries to come.
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Here I found yet another spiritual teacher, Paul Hedderman, talking about ACIM. Hedderman is a nonduality teacher. They seem to like ACIM! In another video he said something like how the self cannot experience the self. Very good point. In a sense everything is the Self yet I see the truth of there needing to be a duality for experience to happen.