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Camus said the first philosophical question is whether or not to commit suicide. I’ve been thinking about this deeply. From my own perspective I experience life as profoundly painful and alienating — I often feel hatred toward the human condition and wish I’d never been born. Philosophically and ethically, should someone who feels this way but isn’t terminally ill have the right to opt out through legal assisted dying? Should antinatalism be taken more seriously as a policy position? I’m interested in hearing thoughtful perspectives on this rather than platitudes.

There's corruption everywhere. Hamas is a stage purple, homophobic, death to all infidels, Islamic Jihadist suicide cult. I would suggest that Israel is slightly less corrupt and the Jihadist pissed off the wrong guy. The real corruption is that Oct 7th is Putin's birthday and Israel took the bait which was ment to distract from the Ukraine war.

Idk are you hinting at suicide ? Just don't do it. Death ain't a joke .and fuck solipsism btw.

That actually has been empirically studied recently. I'll see if I can track down the study. According to the study there is a decent amount more right-wing political violence. If memory serves, there are roughly twice as many instances of right wing political violence compared to left wing political violence. (I was wrong... there's about 5 times more right wing violence than leftwing violence) But that's only if we're keeping score, of course. And because of the observation of stochastically violence-inducing rhetoric from the far right in its current form over the past 10 years, I think it would be a fair assessment of the sentiment behind a lot of the far right values... which boils down to the suppression and annihilation of the "scapegoated other." And this rhetoric gets more and more normalized in the Overton Window month by month. So, I would be contextually more inclined to see the violent targeting of a leftwing political figure as simply the logical expression of those far right authoritarian values as carried out by violent actors on that side of the aisle who have been inflamed by that rhetoric... which is the ultimate intention of stochastic terrorist rhetoric. I wouldn't see it as an aberration of some rogue actor... but as the intention and the logical conclusion of the popular far right propaganda and rhetoric. It's sort of like how, when Matt Walsh claimed some children's hospital was genitally mutilating small children and forcibly "transing" them... and then the most violent listeners of his went and called in all sorts of bomb threats to that children's hospital. Or like when Alex Jones claimed that the parents of the Sandy Hook shooting victims were paid actors. And the craziest among his viewers went and harassed and threatened violence against them... and one of the fathers even committed suicide because of it. I see that kind of violence as the logical conclusion of that rhetoric... as the rhetoric itself is about inducing a crowd to commit violence. It would be like if a popular rock band refused to play their set until a the crowd murders and dismembers a specific member of the audience. In a crowd of 10,000 probably about 99% of them would refuse and 75% of people would be appalled. But there would be about 100 people in that crowd that would be bee-lining their way to the victim to tear them limb from limb because the band told them to. And then, 25% of people would be secretly or openly glad that those 100 people tore the audience member to pieces... because they really like the band. So, I think it's perfectly fair to say that the intention of the popular far right wing rhetoric is to have the most violent people in the base go into vigilante mode and enact political violence. It's not just a looney toon doing a looney toon thing. The intention is to ignite the looney toons of the base into doing violence. And the left has no such equivalent to that... at least in our current time among popular leftwing pundits and political figures. I'm not saying that it couldn't' happen. But I'm saying that leftwing violence is not normalized or institutionalized in any way. And most far lefties that would be advocating for such things would be pushed back on vehemently by other lefties. So, if some rogue extreme leftie kills a right winger, I'm more likely to chalk it up to perhaps being in a very fringe militant echo chamber that the vast majority of people on the left disagree with. If some rogue extremist righty kills a left winger, I'm going to assume that they're being influenced by extremely popular right wing sentiments that many people on the right agree with but probably wouldn't act on in that way unless they were following orders by someone in power... but would absolutely act on if someone in power allowed them to. I would see it as the logical conclusion of the popular rhetoric... because it is. Edit: I couldn't find the study because the US DOJ scrubbed it from their website after Charlie Kirk was shot... But here's a link that talks about the article and the scrubbing of it... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/17/justice-department-study-far-right-extremist-violence And here's a quote to share the findings of the study... "The vanished study opened with: “Since 1990, far-right extremists have committed far more ideologically motivated homicides than far-left or radical Islamist extremists, including 227 events that took more than 520 lives. In this same period, far-left extremists committed 42 ideologically motivated attacks that took 78 lives.”"

GPT: Yes — dolphins can experience something very much like depression. While it’s hard to measure their inner emotional states the same way we do in humans, there’s strong scientific and observational evidence that dolphins are capable of complex emotions, including sadness, grief, and even depressive-like behavior. Why Scientists Think Dolphins Can Get Depressed Complex Brains Dolphins have large, highly developed brains with structures linked to emotion and social bonding (like the limbic system). Their intelligence and self-awareness (they recognize themselves in mirrors) make them more vulnerable to psychological stress. Behavior in Captivity Dolphins in aquariums or marine parks sometimes show signs similar to depression: Lethargy (floating listlessly, lack of play) Loss of appetite Self-harm behaviors (e.g., ramming walls) Some researchers suggest that confined, unstimulating environments lead to stress and mental decline. Grief & Mourning Wild dolphins have been observed carrying and guarding the bodies of dead calves for days — interpreted as mourning. Social animals that form deep bonds are more prone to psychological suffering when those bonds break. Voluntary Breathing & Suicide Debate Dolphins must consciously breathe (unlike humans, where it’s automatic). Some trainers and scientists have reported dolphins refusing to surface, effectively suffocating themselves — described as a possible form of suicide linked to depression or trauma. This idea is debated, but it highlights how unusual their biology is compared to ours. ✅ Conclusion: While we can’t diagnose dolphins with human depression, there’s good evidence that they do experience depressive-like states, especially in captivity or after trauma. In the wild, their social lives and mental stimulation seem to protect them better.

I don't touch this subject much because it's so sensitive and i have to be careful not to hit some nerves but as far as suicidal thoughts, they're just thoughts like every other thought. I will guarantee you that every single human on the face of the earth will have suicidal thoughts in their lifetime. Guaranteed. Some may have them more frequently, some may be more intense, all depends just as how other thoughts are. You may be walking down the road and a crazy thought appear of strangling the woman walking by, or kissing that cute girl up the street or eating a banana or about your mother or a student in math class, or a red car, or a forest fire, or how broke you are, or your brother, or a video game, or about watching porn, or the government......or suicide. Walking down the street again tomorrow or making breakfast....same thing, thoughts about everything under the sun then one on suicide. The next hr more thoughts(mind you, thoughts are always arising your entire life for years on end), a thought about tap water, about concrete, about the old lady next door, about sushi.....bing, about suicide. Why not. Everything else under the sun, why not that. Do we pay attention to all the 60, 000 thoughts we have a day; does every thought require your attention, no but suicidal ones do and are taken seriously than about the spider in the attic. Now we are suicidal. Imo leave this here.

Yes . I'm of course aware of the multidimensional nature of suicide . It's not just that people believe life is pointless. Some people are suicidal because they have chronic diseases or disorders or unbearable physical pain. And I'm sorry that I didn't cover this point in my post ..because I don't have an experience with this so I chose to refrain from addressing this kind of situations that could make a person wants to kill himself/herself. Thanks for your comment .

Leo says that people who are not “awake” are unhappy. Is that true? If it is, why? And since, there’s no free will, why would God let billions of people be unhappy — would that make God a sadist? Most people are miserable, but I’ve also seen non-spiritual people who seem content, especially those with a good solid position on the social pyramid. Any thoughts? If people didn't find any happiness, there would be a lot more suicide going on. Peter Ralston says that even normal people can be happy, if they work. Many normies derive happiness from simply working and then meeting their basic needs. Also what about children? They seem quite happy too, even though they are not awake.

Can't say for exactly the topic suicide, but what resonates is the "You can't BS them .these melodramas and self-help platitudes won't work on them" Something sucks? yeah, it sucks. Let's recognize this, and then we can move on.

Disclaimer: I understand that the following criticisms, objections, and opinions are just projections of my and the collective shadow and that all of this is untenable. Even if @vanish is a troll and didn't actually kill himself, my heavy emotional reaction is real and the lessons learned from this - maybe hypothetical - situation still hold true. For those of you who are unaware, @vanish posted some radical things on this forum - hopefully so far. He holds/held the view that awakening may only come from physical death, aka suicide. He wrote about living a life-threatening lifestyle - being in the dark, only drinking water for multiple weeks. He went into a bath full of ice almost killing himself which he announced earlier as killing "him"self. On March 26th, he wrote about the two lifestyles - self-development and self-destruction - and two days later he wrote a post saying that after he finished writing this post he is gonna shoot himself. Alot of people - including myself - started following him after this - he hasn't been online ever since. Now, I hate to say this but from an absolute perspective, every choice is equal. Fundamentally there is no difference between saving 100 lives and torturing yourself and committing suicide. I was shocked that even though I may grasp this on an intellectual level but not an emotional level - and I won't until my psychological death as @vanish would put it. The wording used by @Leo Gura and other spiritual teachers can be very easily misinterpreted: Because Leo didn't react until @vanish mentioned taking his life and almost complimented him for fasting and almost dying in that ice bath, many people accused him of talking @vanish to suicide. I would argue against this on some level; any symbol could be a trigger for any action. In theory, you could train a person to rape anyone if you say the word "peanuts". But Leo - also everybody who encouraged him, everybody who remained passive including me and for that matter everybody -, still, how the fuck didn't you stop him earlier? He was seriously playing with his health; he could have died from that ice bath. I want to discuss this issue - I think others may be also worried about this. @vanish, if you are reading this, come back and say "it was just a prank, bro!". What can we do about this? How to prevent or limit such misinterpretations in the future?

Two lynchings in Mississippi yesterday, not a peep on here from the progressives consumed with sympathy for Kirk and MAGA. One homeless man, after fox news calls for their murder. Don't call fox news nazis though! https://m.economictimes.com/news/international/us/trey-reed-death-is-racial-murder-or-suicide-ask-social-media-users-21-year-old-student-found-hanging-from-a-tree-delta-state-university-tragedy-in-mississippi-no-foul-play-cleveland-police-department-investigators/articleshow/123923844.cms https://vicksburgnews.com/man-found-hanging-from-tree-in-vicksburg-identified/

How do you guys go about processing a friend's suicide?

I fucking told you Leo. I warned you of the threat of the extreme right and you brushed me off as “not being committed to the truth.” Well “the truth” just shot Charlie Kirk through the jugular for not being hateful to Jews and blacks enough. Fascism is an ideological cancer. It’s pure brainrot. It’s a suicide cult, and a pure corrosive force on democratic politics. There is no “debating” or “reasoning” your way out of it. You kill it in its crib, because otherwise things like this happen. And Trump has coddled them the entire time. When I say “Trump is a fascist”, it’s because he’s a fascist - he courts the Nick Fuentes and Stephen Millers and Steve Bannons of the world to hold onto power. It doesn’t matter if he, personally, doesn’t hate black people as much as they do. The fact that hes willing to use them in the first place is enough to prove he’s compromised. He has to go.

The Scandinavian right is generally quiet libertarian in my opinion. They justification for cutting wealth taxes in text book trickle-down economics. Trickle-down economics is just a rationalization for widening the wealth gap. More resources to lower/middle-class people does in fact create a prosperous society overall. The thing is, being outwardly libertarian is political suicide in Scandinavia due to a legacy of economic/social solidarity and welfare. So what this libertarians do is that they adopt a socialist mask to not alarm voters too much, then they work to slowly erode the welfare state, boiling frog style. Prime example is with the Social democrats here in Denmark, who have recently been cutting on education (in a knowledge based economy). Libertarians with a socialist mask. I can't think of a more obnoxious combo.

Leo blog mentions this channel and I hate to admit it but I fiind it to be a pretty good steal-man explanation of the right. It gives compelling arguments to why depression and suicide are up. Why people don't want kids. It also points out the hypocrisies and contradictions of the left. Any thoughts? Here's a quote and a video from the channel

@cistanche_enjoyer so you can check out my Instagram for more about me and my walk with Jesus. There’s basically a lot to say. I started pursuing him with an open heart a few months ago as a last ditch effort to solve a spiritual problem that started developing after several ayahuasca ceremonies. I was encountering a lot of darkness. And yeah he literally just saved me. Like one day was normal the next I was crying, so in love with him and everything he did on the cross for me. I turned into a Jesus freak literally overnight. I had a problem of idealizing suicide and bad depression even after years of spiritual work and trying to heal. Things would get better for a bit but then would get much worse and I would become more and more hopeless about life as time went on. All that was eradicated o v e r n i g h t. Like I wish I was making this up because then you guys would probably believe me lol but nope. It was Jesus. And yeah now as I keep drawing closer to him my life continues to come together in all the ways I wanted it too in the 15 years I was on the spiritual path but could never seem to get right no matter how much stuff I did. Laziness, addictions, self worth and confidence issues are all being healed.

Yes, they began first building illegal settlements as early as 1967. The West Bank Palestinians were so passive they took the abuse with barely a reaction for decades, finally there was a reaction with the first intifada which israel responded with far more violence. Then when israel still refused to truly engage in peace instead using lies and games to make it seem like the Palestinians were the rejectionists to push for endless occupation did the suicide bombings happen.

Why do you think Israel deepened its hold in the West Bank in 2002? And why it took it years of suicide bombing inside its cities to decide to finally do so? Do you think Israel wanted or enjoyed it? Don't look at this so dichotomically.

Yet when they forcibly removed Israeli's from Gush Katif and gave it to the Gazans that's when Hamas took over and ever since then all they've been getting is rockets, suicide bombers, and more people coming in to murder them. So let's say Israel withdraws all it's settlements from the West Bank another terrorist group gets voted in and the Palestinians want to finish the job they started by totally wanting to wipe out Jews from the entire area. Will that make you happy then? Is Israel finally the good guy after that? The removal of Gush Katif Israeli military actually came in to remove Israelis from the area. The thanks that they got were more bombs rockets murder and killing.

But it tries all the time during the last three decades to get to agreements that will stop the settlements expansion. From Rabin to Barak, through Sharon and Olmert. Even Netanyahu said in 2011 that we need two states for two nations, and we know Netanyahu is the biggest opportunistic who always try to talk to the dominant sentiment of Israelis of the time. This is very tricky these days because all the emotions are now shifted after oct7, and in a sense fear has taken place greatly from the second intifada and suicide bombings. Yet, I have never seen a survey shows most Israelis support the settlements expansion.

What does a Solipsist thinks about that? Can a Solipsist kill himself?

Do you realize there are cells in the body that commit suicide all the time. What makes you think humans will be any different when we're made up of cells on the biological level. There are thoughts of suicide that humans pick up all the time. Imo leave this right here 'cause I don't want to touch this topic too deeply because it's very sensitive.

You can’t accept it in your current state of consciousness . But there might be a really small possibility of the ego surrendering, stopping resistance, and or developing extreme mindfulness which makes you overcome suffering of severe pain, I’m not sure if its possible for full torture tho This video is about a man who overcame the suffering of trigeminal neuralgia aka the suicide disease (can cause level 10 pain). So it seems it’s possible to overcome even extreme suffering. But unless you’re presented that possibility you wouldn’t be able to do it, plus you have to endure a LOT before it works, unless you’re lucky

I love this topic. It hits home for me because when I was younger I was scared of the possibility of enduring torture in future reincarnations The possibility of torture is so absolutely horrible that entire humanity should be working together to try to bring an end of it. And it’s not only torture inflicted by other people, some torture can be from disease, like trigeminal neuralgia that can cause pain people would describe as level 10. But people are too chill. Those who don’t get tortured just go about their life without trying to reduce suffering in the world. Imagine if every person got to experience torture. I think it would leave so many in deep trauma that would change their priorities forever. Only then would it be peoples top priority to get rid of it - as it should in a sane world. I totally get you there. From the human perspective it would actually be better if reality was limited. Because then we could control it to a greater extent. But if infinity is true: even if we fix planet earth there might be infinite other universes where horrible things happen to conscious beings Imo self consciousness is the biggest curse. Because it’s what makes torture possible. If you weren’t conscious it wouldn’t matter what happened to your body. It’s a rational fear. It’s just the horrible reality. What we can do for our own happiness is just try to live this current life as well as we can. And if it gets unbearable , suicide can be escape. Some think it’s bad to suggest that, but I’m different there. Imagine being locked up and tortured? Death would be a blessing

@Hatfort Defensive Shield operation Israel did in the West Bank started in March 2002 after 2 years of almost daily terror attacks and suicide bombing inside Israeli cities, during which IDF has fought terror groups of the PLO and hamas. Up until this day hamas and other terror groups in the West Bank try to gain power, what IDF in a co-operation with the Palestinians authority fight every day to prevent. This continues for 23 years. It is easy to say that everything that happens there is an "oppression" but in reality the dynamics is more complicated and involves both security, restrictions and yes also corruption and an abuse of power by soldiers and settlers what lead all together to an oppressive dynamics. The solution to this loop is to seperate between Israelis and Palestinians, put a strong and secure border in the middle and not to point fingers on one side or another showing why it is the 'greatest evil' and the other side innocent and good. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Defensive_Shield