Search the Community

Yes. Exactly. Instead of getting rid of the illusion of being a ship on the ocean (ignorance, separate-self arisings I-thoughts, I feelings, feeling of being something specific) and truly realizing that one IS the impersonal/boundless ocean with all waves/dimensions that could ever be. And ever was was, only can be, and ever will be just the ocean. With or without the ignorance/illusion of feeling oneself as a ship/individuality being in it. but instead of that deciding for: Wave surfing and wave investigating. Lets go on the highest wave and see what the ocean can do. Infinitely consciousness high wave-surfing. Of course that is just the indviduality/ship/ego hijacking the true state of things (impersonal consciousness/ocean), going wave surfing on the highest and "infinitely consciousness" wave/dimension/whatever of manifestation (which is the Relative (manifestation), not the Absolute), and all the while never truly transcending its separateness/individuality/ignorance, but projecting that onto the Infinity of manifest arisings/form ("waves"), and proclaiming that as "infinitely consciousness". Ego=God=Solipsism. Bravo! And of course that is not the end of the game. The individual/ignorance is still very much alive. It contracts and suffers again and again. And Absolute Reality/Impersonal Infinite Consciousness/True God "says" (or better does that to the aficionado of that grasping worldview): Not today darling, no end of suffering before you let go that fascination of wave surfing and trying to become "infinitely" consciousness. Not before you stop chasing your own tail(s). Of which there are, guess what, and Infinity of. An Infinity of tails to chase. And all of which actually is NOT infinitely consciousness, but just wave-surfing and and becoming aware of high waves of manifestation/dimensions/manifestation-mechanisms, earthly or alien n+1. Projecting certain remnants of the separate self onto Infinity, and not letting the separate self illusion/ignorance truly exhaust itself in the ocean of truly impersonal consciousness. Infinitely consciousness is dropping into the ocean, transcending ones separate self/ego/ignorance truly, letting it die, understanding all its illusion/ignorance mechanisms, and becoming the impersonal boundless ocean of Absolute Reality itself. Maintaining that boundless nondual Awake Awareness of mere appearance in Infinite Reality in daily life. Because the clouding-over-ignorance mechanism is truly transcended/seen through/gone/dead, and "one" lives happily ever after as that which one really is: Absolute Reality itself. Self-evident moment to moment nondual boundless Awakened Awareness, all manifestation just mere appearance, always available, not depending on certain substances. But I guess that would require a major philosophical shift, and would create a certain marketing problem or two. Yet, it would feel infinitely better in daily life.... But hey, whatever floats ones ship on the ocean boat so to say... Its a free country Lila! And the self-contraction/ignorance is the spice of the universe, especially on the highest level of expanding the ego to infinitely large God-like dimensions. Where else to view such a show than in this little Samsara of ours? And as always, to all the "other" players in that magnificant show, good, bad, smart, maybe not so smart, alien, not alien, and so on and on: Bon voyage! And thanks for having the courage to endure the necessary suffering that goes along with playing/identifying with a fragment of the Totality (individuality/separate ego) to keep the illusion-show going in a convincing way! And never forget that when you are tired of all that suffering and confusion, there truly is a way home. Which, funnily, is always right Here, right Now. Hidden usually under a truckload of "me", separation, ignorance and illusion. So lets not make that truckload bigger than it already is. Selling water by the River

Where did you learn this from? It depends on various factors, whether personal or cultural. Or situational. Some people don't like to be touched. Others don't mind. Others find it too impersonal. Depending on her own sensibiltiies, it's difficult to say in any broad or absolute sense that this can symbolise friendship.

@ivankiss. Nice post . The character/individual floats around in the real You. Capital Y. And it is more or less subtly disturbing the realization of the real impersonal nature of Absolute Reality/Consciousness. It is just that fully realizing that is the death of the illusion (technically called ignorance) of the small you, or the individual. And zero chance to fully get that until..... small you/individuality is fully seen through and dead. Which is an event that doesn't get overlooked so easily, since, um, what you were before is dead then. Replaced by the impersonal (!) Totality, the Real You. Yes, IT is not personal. IT doesn't need anything, not even self-consciousness. IT just is. Good news: IT always is. Never can not be. Being itself. Same can not be said for the character/individuality. And if one is not exactly THAT right now, and fully aware of that (and its impersonal nature), merged with (or better BEING) the Totality in a boundless infinite nondual way, there is some illusion/individuality/ignorance going on... Alien or not. Of course it is much easier to project the remaining "individuality" floating around in the truly impersonal infinite Absolute Reality ON all the manifesting appearances happening in that Absolute Reality, nondual (but not impersonal) states boosted by certain.... substances. And then go mountain-ridge-facet-of-the-Absolute climbing, proclaiming I AM GOD... Only problem: The "I" in the sentence before is the illusion with lots of ignorance still remaining in it, not the real Impersonal God/Reality/True You. So the question is again: Who (really) hears these words? Selling Water by the River

I mean seriously..you guys are so lost in spiritual puffy buffy land of impersonal cloud of "consciousness " floating around without a "you " owning it . You gotta outgrow that shit . That's kindergarten to this work. Are you aware of cartoon wolf awakening 2.0 ?

"You" are not infinite, you are a limiter that gives shape to the infinite, which is still infinite but seems finite. That's why "you" can disappear and the formless infinite continues to exist. It is something that becomes evident if you break your limited form with psychedelics, then you understand what you are. Infinity, the substance of reality, is impersonal, it is not alone since it has no limits. It is not one, it is not two, that is why we speak of non-duality and not of unity. the others that appear in your limited experience are also the infinite, everything is. Outside of you there is experience, since "outside" you really is inside, but you do not perceive it because "you" are a limiter. You are the blinders of a donkey that forces it to see only what it has to see and blinds it to the rest. But this is just an idea , maybe it's different. How to know without doubt?

Not so misterious. The absence of limits inherent to absolute emptiness makes inevitable that everything is. Zero and infinity are the same. the infinite, in which the totality of existence is contained, flows on itself in a kind of creative and inevitable dance. This total infinity is unlimited intelligence, will, power. It is completely impersonal, a natural phenomenon, not a concrete entity, but this is what is called god. God understand everything because only one thing is understood: infinity. If you realize and become infinite, you understand everything, just being infinite. understanding empty of content or structure. The infinite in its flow creates increasingly complex forms whose substance is the only substance that exists: the infinity ,where the part is at the same time part and totality. This is, as you said, not originated, since there were never limits. It is always now, moving on itself infinitely. That's what we are, there is no mystery, only reality

This = You Self-awareness Objective Subject , Subjective Object That's what I mean by impersonal self, object and subject, both, neither Call it suprapersonal or whatever, langage is dualistic

That's just it. Anything impersonal is a duality. It suggests a subject- you- observing the object - this.

This is God, the impersonal You The word "This" leaves no room for non-solipsistic bullshit, of course I use it in the non-dual sense especially when I say it's infinite

Dissolve the self, then you will realize what reality is. Infinity is not you, you are a creation of the reality. Ultimately, you are the bottomless existence, but it isn't a you, it's totally indefinite, impersonal.

You literally are arguing Absolute Solipsism while agreeing with it. Absolute Solipsism says THE SELF IS A CONSTRUCTION. All the things you said...IT SAYS. That's the point. You are arguing against something you agree with because you want to keep it vague. Absolute Solipsism says THERE IS ONLY EXPERIENCE. EXPERIENCE CANNOT BE DIVIDED!! Hell you can go further with Absolute Solipsism and say screw the word impersonal. We will just say is. IS cannot be divided. It just is. IS does not have OTHER to Is. Because there is only IS. As such, there can never be division. That IS is sentient, and alive and eternal. As such it always IS whether it is aware that it is or NOT. So there can be NO OTHER TO THE IS. You see? No matter what you say, no matter what twists and turns and leaps of logic there is always a SINGULAR IS. This is why I said you are dishonest. You agree with me and then lie and say you don't. In fact that is perfection of the design of truth. Because Absolutely Solipsism is Absolutely true you can agree to disagree and actually be in agreement. So you actually agree with me and can DELUDE yourself that you don't BECAUSE ABSOLUTE SOLIPSISM IS SO TRUE even your disagreement IS AN AGREEMENT. Sorry you cannot escape no matter how hard you try. Even your lack of logic can't get you free. YOU ARE SO FREE YOU ARE TRAPPED!!! LOL!!!! So funny!!!

Solipsism says: only I exist because I will never be able to leave my experience, if my experience becomes the entire cosmos I will continue to be me, therefore, only I exist, the others do not exist, they are hallucinations within my experience without self-consciousness . This is a construction based on logic. The first is to understand that the self as we are perceiving it is a sensation created by the dual experience in which there is an unappealable difference between me and what is not me. If they hit me with a hammer it hurts, if they hit you, it doesn't hurt. Therefore the self is the center of the experience that thinks and survives and for this it relates to others. Solipsism says that it is all a hallucination created by the self on another higher plane that hides itself to live an adventure. That self is the same dual self only expanded to infinity, and therefore, one. there can be no other. What I see as wrong here are two things. The first and most fundamental is that the perceiving self, which is the center, is a temporary construction. the moment there is no more center, there is no more self. It is difficult to maintain this state, extremely fragile because the center pushes to return. It's ego death. In ego death one perceives that reality is an unfathomable well of living existence, this existence is what we are and is impersonal, it is not someone, it is pure intelligence and life that arise from the lack of limits, one could call this god, but it is completely indefinite and impersonal. This reality is infinite. What infinity means is that the whole and the part are the same, infinite. Inside and outside are the same. When the infinite is limited to one experience, it automatically is all experiences. this is the cosmos. The entire cosmos is contained in this moment now, it is cyclical and it is infinite. Within each cycle are all the cycles, and within each one of them, again all of them. it does not have an end. Others are within you and you are within them, but you, the self, is the limitation of the infinity to this concrete experience. Its is not a playful god who goes on adventures, it is the living infinity in its infinite cycles balancing each other perfectly, like infinite snow crystals that fit together perfectly. The word consciousness implies being aware of something, infinity is not consciousness, it is existence that creates consciousness by exploding into all the infinite fragments of existence it contains. Everything, absolutely, is alive, and everything is infinite. To think that the thinking self is the totality is wrong. It contains the totality, but is limited for the experience to exist. In fact, it's a limit, so temporary. When the experience ceases, he will cease.

Nihilism is self-contradictory. It proclaims there is no meaning. Besides the meaning that there is no meaning. So it is self-contradictory. Self-contradictory is the same as wrong. And it makes you a self-contradiction on two legs. Which is the same as suffering because of that internal conflict and contradiction. And because of that self-contradictory nature, you can (and should) forget about it when it comes to daily life. Because it can only harm your life, which happens on a relative level. Solipsism leads to Narcissism, that leads to Nihilism, and that leads to suffering. Just wait long enough and watch what happens to the aficionados of Solipsism/Narcissism/Nihilism and how they feel, write and come across. The energy you feel from them... All three have the same endgame: Suffering. And none of these three conceptual belief(!)-systems lead to stable Awakening/Enlightenment (which is non-conceptual), and resting in your True Nature of Impersonal Infinite Awareness/Suchness/Nondual Reality on a stable basis. Selling Water by the River

God isn't a thing; there is no creator. There is nothing to understand~ god doesn't do understanding. It's a good thing! Our nature is nonorigination; just this is quickening aware potential, perpetually on the brink of going into action. Never having fallen into action (the Creative), what would constitute self? Thus, such selflessness has no moral value. The value selflessness, vis a vis human potential, represents, is one of actualizing its enlightening qualities in the midst of ordinary situations unbeknownst to anyone. It's not that enlightening being(s) do anything other than see reality. The extreme of one's absolute nature and the extreme of one's absolute delusion is only relative to one's habituation to clinging as one extreme or another by virtue of ego (self-reified consciousness). The psychological apparatus isn't the issue. The issue of self-refining practice is getting rid of the clinging mentality (habit-awareness). Psychological and nonpsychological (selfless) consciousness is a seamless awareness, nonoriginated. The one just comes to be aware of itself by virtue of having a body; the other awakens to its selflessness by virtue of forgetting the body. What about god? Since there is no creator to speak of, the explanation is obvious. Creation is a mystery …an inconceivability no less or more miraculously aware than mere people. It is the way it is, and no one knows why. The will to enlightenment is indicative of such questions posed by the OP, none the less. There is no god. One's true nature is absolutely nonoriginated, and it is actualized in spite of one's ignorance, otherwise such questions and ponderings would never arise— would never be pursued to the absolute limit of the extreme of human potential. Even so, it is the aftermath of such discovery into the nature of perception that people get over such extremes, both created and non-created, and endeavor to apply the knowledge of potential. This is the Science of Life, as set up by various ancient teachings in the guise of their various traditions' devices. They didn't invent it. Mind itself is the authentic teacher. Understanding and logic is attributable to the light of Mind. There is no other mind. Mind is one. Even ego reflects this no less. Even before realizing Mind, it is possible to awaken to and establish rapport with potential inherent in situational evolution. One's impersonal aware nature is not different than real knowledge arising by virtue of ordinary situations. But habituation to self-reflecting consciousness obscures real knowledge. Yet, one must know a healthy ego before attempting to forget it. What to do, what to do… ed note: add 2nd sentence, typo paragraph 6, spit-polish penultimate sentence

You can reach a point where your feelings are like clothes you wear. They are an expression of yourself but they are not yourself. Feelings only matter when you are trying to accomplish something, protect something, and heal something. For fun I recently did a deep dive into some dark moments in my childhood and an extremely large hole of pain emerged. When I discovered it I felt like a surgeon operating on a patient who was surprised some damage was still there. Look the emotional pains we feel are only as strong as the importance we give to the story. The whole point of awakening is being able to jump back and forth between personal and impersonal consciousness. I finally get what they mean by we fall asleep. Our true nature is impersonal, you really do forget this and fall into this deep personal belief about whatever and the pain and agony can really pull you in. But there is really a space there that unfortunately right now you think its nothing. But that nothing hilariously is what you actually are. You need to become aware of that space. How can you do it? Now this is not going to be something you like but it worked for me but it can be dangerous. I have done some emotional deep dives that has brought up repressed deep seeded emotions, and have become really good at sitting with them as they express themselves. It is truly amazing to realize you can have really painful emotions expressing and you can just watch them. You can start small, think of a small event that bothered you. Really focus on that until the pain of that event comes up, then sit with it. Allow it to express while sitting, feel if you can detect any space. The better you get at detecting that space, the less you can get pulled into that feeling. If you get really good at this, you will have broken your human identity. No longer can you get stuck in character, no longer can the voice in your head or other people tell you what you are. Hell even your feelings won't be able to tell you who you are because you realize...they are just a temporary expression that eventually fizzles out. Using music can help with this process also.

when the contraction that means being human disappears and the opening is total, is the total infinity manifesting. There is nothing like: oh yes I am God, or I am one, since if there were this it would be that there is still structure. It is an abyss of existence in which everything is, the total glory of being, and it is completely impersonal, it is not someone who does something. What it is is because since there are no limits, everything is. This everything is not imaginable, since in our human experience reality is always structured, ordered, to be able to be as human. The total free and wild reality is total glory, nothing can be better because there is no limit, it is absolute freedom. The only thing that can come to what's left of your mind is: yes yes yes in absolute joy. control has disappeared, reality flows without brake. I suppose that if you were in this state for several days in a row you would die. There's nothing like: oh wow, I'm god dreaming reality. That chain of thought entails a battery of structures upon more structures that are the opposite of free reality. In free reality there is nothing to understand or know, it is free, it is total, it is alive. that's it. That is the substance we are made of. How? I don't know, that's secondary, the important thing is the substance. about how theories arise later, but they are irrelevant, it is the total glory of unlimited living existence. enough

Forms are imagination/dreams of the formless void. That impersonal void is dreaming this place up, it may not be a person with a personality but it is definitely a conscious entity. That impersonal void is attached to a single body, the only body with experience/sensations in the entire universe, hence the solipsism. The experience of this impersonal void that is simulating only one set of 5 senses is the entirety of existence.

@UnbornTao still working on it. So far, this line of contemplation has led me to realise absolutely that I as an ego am a complete illusion. Whatever I think I am inside my head, that whole identity is a thought that’s illusory. When seen from outside the ego’s perspective, reality is infinity, or a part of it. It is beyond “me”. It is. isness. Impersonal but very personal at the same time. breath is this infinity too. It is also isness. No one is breathing, breath isn’t there, it’s just isness. All of this used to give me panic attacks but now I seem to accept it. I accept my own reality. But I’ll keep going until I have some cool 1 liner as an answer for the initial question

@ActualizedJohn1- There is only One consciousness bubble, the one you are experiencing right now. 2- This bubble is limitless. There is no inside nor outside. To the point that even the term bubble is misleading, because bubbles presuppose a limit. 3- Notice how the thought "there are several bubbles" can only appear in your bubble/experience. 4- So, every division/border/content of experience is fabricated/imagined/Hallucinated. 5- So is there a imaginator/creator? No, it's an impersonal process, there is no actual ground one or source. The concept of a "source" is an object appearing in your experience. The answer you your question is: The splitting is imagined and is going to be real for you as long as it is imagined to be real. You are part of an imagined narrative. So since it is fabricated, if the "Me" in the narrative realizes that division is part of the narrative, the narrative will change accordingly Notice: everything i wrote above is still part of the narrative.

okayyyy~ So what then is the point of realization? If awakening to essence is truly accomplished, what then? In taoist terms, the science of essence cannot be taught. If one stumbles upon the root source of one's essential nature through no action of one's own and truly penetrates to the source of impersonal nonoriginated potential (awareness), it is obvious there is no understanding understood. At such a time, even absence is absent. This is called the Absolute. Since such realization in the selfless quality of awake has never been otherwise, so be it~ who knew? But what of the science of life? The science of life can be taught… Have you ever heard of the science of life?

Morality is just the rules of engagement humans come up with for the benefit of their species. Majority of humans do not think you are evil for stepping on an ant or spider. But if you cut off its legs for fun and torture it some might. But if you kill a human outside of self defense majority of humanity would think you are evil. So morality is just a human construct that can be deconstructed. God equally cares for lint on my jacket as it cares for all of humanity. Humanity in the grand scheme of things is smaller than the smallest atom in relation to earth. God is both infinitely impersonal and infinitely personal, the personal(ego) thinks too highly of itself to think its little human morality actually matters.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concept https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstraction "It [Solipsism] states you are ..". If that is not a concept I don't know what a concept is. "Solipsism" is a concept, "you" is a concept, "mind" is a concept. The two sentences above are conceptual, consisting of concepts. And that is why these two sentences of yours are: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-contradiction But hey, don't want to spoil your gig. You are a perfect example towards which certain teachings lead to. And the originator of these certain teachings (Solipsism) apparently doesn't object the outcome of these teachings. Like you flooding the forum with conceptual ideas like Absolute Solipsism (loaded with ego & separate-self). Actually, it is not so difficult: True Self = Infinite Impersonal (!) Suchness/Being/Reality/Consciousness: Solipsism ok. But that takes the death/transcendence of the separate-self/separating ego. Not blowing it up to infinity-proportions (God-ego). And even then, what is the use of talking "Solipsism" to other un-enlightened egos, when it mainly tends to blow up their obstacle towards true liberation, which is their untranscended separate ego/separate-self, to God-Ego size? False Self = separate self/ego/self-contraction/all of these concepts: Solipsism = madness. It depends on the mindstream claiming Solipsism. If done not from a truly enlightened perspective/mindstream, it is just ego-inflation: Ego = God. Which is the equivalent of shooting oneself in the knee and embarking on the Enlightenment-marathon of getting rid of anything separating/ego. Quite a show, although it doesn't reach Athens. Selling Water by the River

awakening is realizing the true nature of existence. It is opening yourself to the bottomless void that is the now, and completely disappearing into it. then the indescribable glory that reality is is manifested. the joy is absolute, but it is totally impersonal. unlimited vastness is not "i". and all that you say about whether others exist or not, or the dream, etc, has no relationship with awakening. It's like saying if there are multiverses or not. There may or may not be, it's the same. the limitless has manifested, hallelujah. and that's it. the rest are bullshit.

Hello everyone! I'm seeking advice on a decision that has become more challenging than I initially thought. A year ago, I began my journey to transition from being a prison officer in Romania to a web programmer (I’m almost 26 years old male). I'm comparing the pros and cons of both positions: My Current Job as a Prison Officer Advantages: - Monthly salary of 2,000€. - Possibility of retirement in 20-25 years with a monthly pension of around 2,000€. - Comfortable work environment with manageable stress levels and a social setting. Disadvantages: - No possibility for further financial advancement. - Routine and repetitive tasks every day. I don’t like it anymore. Job as a Web Programmer Advantages: - Potential to evolve to a monthly salary of 5,000-7,000€ within the next 4 years, considering my current 1-year experience. From there, there may be opportunities that can make life more exciting and meaningful. Disadvantages: - I'm not particularly passionate about coding. - I'm concerned about a potentially isolating and impersonal work environment. - Job stability may be an issue. - I would need to develop a retirement plan independently. *I know I’m focusing a lot on money, but I don’t have other passions other than studying life/reality more and developing my consciousness. And for now I want to just enjoy the human life. I feel I need to build a stronger real-life foundation, and it seems that money will give me more freedom. I feel a bit of guilt saying that my focus is on me because it is egotistical, given that I grew up in a Christian household and all my life I knew I had to live for others (this was the reason I become a prison worker). But lately I don’t have the motivation to focus so much on the good of others. I'd appreciate any insights or suggestions you might have. Thank you!

@Princess Arabia I had to laugh out loud while reading this... these conceptual crazy trains of thoughts about thoughts are an absolute marvel of absurdity, lol! And of course, I am not talking about this train of thought specifically, but about conceptual thinking in general. It's ability to complicate the most simple thing in existence is truly an amazing sight to behold... Sure, if you don't turn a thing into a concept, it becomes (or rather stays) everything. But then it's no longer a thing! It's not 'consciousness', it's not 'you', it's not 'me'... it just IS. Isness itself, so to speak. Which is impersonal, formless, without quality, can neither be observed or be observing. So pure Isness itself is not an experience, because there is nothing about it to experience, you see? You cannot even call it 'nothingness', because even nothingness is 'something' aka. a concept. And guess what... 'pure Isness itself' IS OF COURSE A CONCEPT TOO, which makes everything I just said null and void. Muuuahahaha... Well, take a guess what 'the mind' is. Hint: It starts with a C... and no, I am not talking about the four letter word. Can a concept conceive another concept? Ponder that, if you got nothing better to do for the next thirty minutes.