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I’ve watched Leo’s video on survival and I’ve noticed how mechanical I’ve been my entire life. My Mother died when I was a baby, and I’ve been raised by my father and older brother for some time. I think around 8 years old my father got married and I started living with my new stepmother, 4 stepdaughters and a step brother. I think I didn’t take that transition very well. And I felt lonely and felt I didn’t have much control over my life. I think being beveraved at such a young age and being thrown into an different family who I wanted to love tho didn’t really love me back was very traumatizing. That lack of control and mechanical way of trying to get love and approval still drives me to this day. I’ve been in suicidal ideation and asked my Dad and stepmother if my stepsisters knew i was in the hospital. I ask my stepsister Hillary if I can have a completion talk and express my resentments and appreciations and get over my attachment to her and she says no or doesn’t respond. I think of suicide and drive arond thinking of where to commit suicide, and how I should do it. I think that I should get into an accident on purpose in order to get attention from my stepsisters. Seems everything I’ve done in my life was to get attention from my stepsisters. Laying in bed pretending to be a sad miserable lonely person seems to be a way to get attention. I notice the thought that even writing this is mechanical. I’m a mess.

@Shin this is actually fascinating! @MatteO22 just repeated exactly the argument my ex NZ beta guy gave me - that he felt like I loved him with a condition - and he took - in my view purely masculine qualities like providing protection and positive containment for a woman - as condition on my love for him. He told me exactly the same thing - that he wants me to love him unconditionally - and when I asked him how he actually sees that happening? Like if he wants me to love him unconditionally, then how he is going to show his love for me then? To which the reply was - drum roll - that he will simply be... at that point my libido for him committed a suicide ????⚒️?? I really understand where he came from. I had poor self esteem and childhood trauma before too and did not love myself unconditionally. So I really tuned in to his trauma. But the conclusion I made out of this situation is the following. People who truly have high self esteem and unconditionally love themselves, actually do not need anyone to love them unconditionally. Because they already actually give themselves all the unconditional love they need. This is based on my internal feeling. Before I craved someone to love me for who I am, unconditionally. These days, I want to love someone and give them love unconditionally to the best of my ability. But I am also realistic and look at attraction and feminine/masculine polarity realistically. And I understand that every men is different and I need to find a way to show my love in such a way that he feels the most loved - meaning there are certain conditions I nees to keep in mind if I want the most impact. For example, a man whose love language is words of appreciation, will not feel as loved if I say do something for him or give him gifts, he will feel the most loved when I say every day how much I appreciate him. This is simplistic example. It's actually much more complex. But overall my conclusion was that to get a guy to love me - not only there r certain conditions, but also there certain actions and behaviour I have to adopt to make my man to feel happy, fulfilled, loved. So in conclusion I think the best approach is to learn how to give yourself unconditional love and don't demand it from others as this is a position of neediness. When you do that, u will feel so much love ovetflow that it will be so easy to give your love and care to others and understand on a feeling level that if your partner does not love himself unconditionally, most likely it will be impossible for him to love you unconditionally. And last point - women perceive men as a force of nature, creation, innovation and forward action = masculine men image in my mind. Therefore, in my mind, simply being for guys = action. Simply being for females = state of balance, quiet energy. That's why I think it's super hard for a feminine woman to be attracted to a guy who does not equate his being = taking action or how Leo puts it = penetrating the world.

So this is how I really am. I'm not someone who can simply consume behaviors and watch everyone from a distance. Either I'm close to you emotionally or I'm not. My experiences in life shaped me into becoming an emotionally vulnerable and tender person. I am that person who cries in the bathroom but shows up next day to class with a hoodie and sweatshirt on and doesn't say much and carries on quietly, literally carrying a thunderstorm inside. One scratch on my surface and you will see glass inside. Yes I'm made of glass. I break and when I break, hell breaks loose, and I shatter to pieces. I'm an HSP, acronym for highly sensitive person. I have a spatial brain disorder which means I need ample space when I read things and I can't cobble words together or else I end up with spasmodic panic attacks. Therefore you will find my writing with lots of space left out here and there and a lot of irregularities in the way I format text, suddenly leaving large spaces in between or writing too little or too much. This is done because my brain likes it that way and finds it less anxiety provoking. I'm very emotionally chaotic and fragile so if I end up fighting with my boyfriend, I won't get sleep that night, so my best option is to simply sit silent even if I feel like protesting, which gives an unfair advantage to the other party and they begin to dominate my weaknesses.. I'm more prone to abuse than others because of my brain disorders and my lack of ability to "not suck it up." I was born premature, at the 8th month and severely underweight and malnourished to the point that I was placed under intensive care during my first few days and then my parents were informed of my delicate health.. When I walk I stumble a lot, lose balance too often and end up getting into many accidents which again has a lot to do with development delays in the womb. Yet I always tried to be the best kid in class, worked hard to get an A in every subject for a consecutive 10 years in school. I got many awards and honors in school and I was an A student.. I never did smoking, drinking, drugs or any of that shit ever. My first crush was at 19. My first boyfriend was at 21.. My biggest handicap was my rotund family and my environment being extremely toxic always driving me to the edge of suicide... Despite all my setbacks the only thing that drove me ahead was my infinite love for my dad. My dad always wanted me to be the best. When he died, I had promised on his dead body that I would never give up and live an extraordinary life to make myself worthy of his admiration. He was always proud of me. When he died, the last words he spoke were "please take care of yourself" and I will never forget how he was always worried about me and my future.. I just want my dad to know that I'll do fine no matter what. And even if things don't get better, I will still do fine. I'm a self made person. I had everything on my own without any help. I will always be the strongest no matter what. That's what all the struggles made me. They burned in me an incredible resolve to be resilient and not give up.. ..... Like I said I'm a highly sensitive high strung person. It's also my PTSD that makes me extra sensitive. Either I'm energetically bonded to you, in which case you have to be resolutely loyal to me to the point of absurd, since I consider loyalty to be the most prized virtue in a person or you simply have to watch me slide by and slither into my own corner, never to come out again and maintain a facade for the sake of social grace and courtesy When I'm being excessively courteous, you should know that I'm being FAKE. When I never get angry or mad at you, you should know that I am being FAKE. If I got angry or mad or upset at you, it's an instant indicator that I was being real with you. Because my energy is herculean and it changes very rapidly and volcanically and immediately turns in the direction of scorn and anger and utter belligerence. When I'm calm I'm like a bedrock but the moment my emotional tectonic plates are being agitated by your stimulus, they begin to move in a colossal manner causing my emotions to exacerbate and the bedrock erupts and gives way to extreme bouts of volcanic anger and rage triggered by the demons of PTSD. It's like once that point is reached, I will go on a rampage. My ex boyfriend used to call me an elephant because I acted like one.. When I am cute and nice I'm trying my best to get along silently with you. But once I detect that something is amiss and fiddling with my loyalty centers, then bam, I don't forget that thing, just the way elephants always remember all the bad things done to them, I remember all the things you do/did and then I come back for revenge. I initially forgive very easily. But once a threshold is reached, I become a different person altogether and I start my rampage. That's when you know that I am not taking it lying down.. On the surface I might appear as a fleeting flakey light hearted cheerful person but still waters run deep. There's absolutely nothing light hearted about me other than all my social tact and polished behavior. Deep inside I'm an inferno. When the switch is turned on its over. I have a very deep intuitive sense so even if you don't say much, I still understand and catch the drift. I immediately sense if someone is hateful to me, jealous of me or is being inherently malicious. My brain wasn't very developed as a child so the only way I learned to gauge people was to hone my inner intuition.. And my intuition is so sharp, that it hits the target almost 90% of the time. So whether you are right or wrong, upfront or deceptive, I will have you figured either way, without saying much at all.. I might look like I'm simply quiet and down low but I'm very insidious. So if you fuck with my brains, you have basically turned on my volcano switch. The only non hurtful way to fuck my brains out is in the bed. In other areas, if you did fuck with my brain, the consequences are going to be ugly. In a way I'll always remember such things and the people who did those things I forgive but I don't forget. ... One thing that I wanted to be clear about is that I'm not a generic woman. I'm not a generic woman at all. Not even by a long shot. If you thought I was a generic woman, you're mistaken by a million miles. In fact, if I were a generic woman, it would have absolutely benefitted my temperament by a great deal. Which it does not since I'm not generic. I am a very volatile and complicated person. I'm not passive aggressive or hot and cold. I'm just too deep and complex, multi-faceted dynamic and mercurial person. My energy is not only herculean but also mercurial. I concatenate. I rapidly flow through, merge, spill over, cross underneath, wash over, jump through or cut my way through. I can be any person in the moment. This often gives the feeling to the observer that I'm deceptive, manipulative or 2 faced. It's not that. I'm just being very mutable since my main energy is water. I'm extremely unpredictable and yet predictable at the same time. Which means you're right about me 9 times out of 10, but you never know when the tenth time is going to show up in the line. I'm like a mirror. I will become according to your karma. If you have always been good to me, I will reflect it back to you. If you happen to rub me the wrong way, the mirror will show you how it was impacted by your actions. The best way to deal with an elephant personality like mine is to keep at a safe distance from me. If you get too close, I'll snare the way elephants do by flanking out their ears. But if you simply let me be and watch me from a distance, I'll give you one look to make sure and then walk away and go on about my work. .... Since I've been hurt in a sudden unforseen and drastic manner, I will let you have a way to deal with me. Simply keep some distance from me for some time. Can you? I might be ready to talk again and forgive forget and move on, but not right now or right away. I need time. I'm in a Salty state now. And I can't simply snap out of it. You need to be patient with me. Give me time. I need time to reshuffle. I won't be angry at you for the long haul. I only need time to get things sorted out slowly and diligently. I don't hate you. I am just a bit wounded although I realize it wasn't intentioned that way. But it became like a decoy trap and I accidentally happened to walk straight into it and got trapped. So keeping a distance from me might make me feel safer and make me realize that you do sincerely respect my boundaries Thank you. (I need space to gather myself) ... I've been lucid dreaming lately and when I do that I usually imagine talking to a guy. Like an imaginary guy who is a friend of mine talking to me. I often see this guy in my dreams. He has lot of similarities to the man in the show or TV series called Dexter. So I've simply named this dream man Dexter. I usually wake up from the dreams realizing I had a long conversation with Dexter It's usually me giggling throughout the conversation. This has been going on for months now and I often see this guy in my dreams. It's kinda weird. Sometimes I even see a woman next to this man and I've decided to call her Candace. My dreams are usually very vivid almost like I can remember all the details of the conversations in the dreams.

I have a question for you If the ground is nothingness aka no experience whatsoever, no observer, no conciousness, then what makes the nothingness become somethingness. How does it become experience? Try to imagine non existence, if its the ground, how can anything be? Then somehow something makes "non duality" become "duality" I dont think that this pure cessation has anything to do with any ground of existence at all, it is just another experience in a form of a "non experience" Like Leo says, there is also infinite conciousness which is very different from the nothingness of cessation. Which is the one that tells you more about the nature of reality? Perhaps neither, only that conciousness has an infinite range of knowing itself. Here is where buddhism and hinduism often clash, new age buddhism is making a biased claim in that cessation is the most important. To me it feels like a spiritual suicide since sone buddhists just say that the psycho-physical is all that there is, Aka atomists/materialists. If GOD is nothingness etc, why does it become this? Why does it seemingly produce an infinite variety of experiences objects subjects etc. Maybe our ordinarie waking conciousness is the ground of existence? Just a contemplation exercise. Either we are GOD which is eternal/immortal/infinite. But it does feel off that GOD could kill itself with a cessation "forever" it is obviously not the case, I think cessation is a good night sleep sorta thing.

@DreamScape You haven't taken a real good peek into the abyss then. At a certain point in development, or the entirety of it, if your hopes and dreams are constantly squashed; if the people around you ignore and abandon you too much, etc., the very light that others have becomes its own darkness to you. The light is a constant reminder of what you didn't have or can't have. All that's left is void. There are only two options people take here: suicide or making others feel the void you feel constantly. If these types go into the violent direction, what other action is there to take but put them put of their misery (if it's called for). Obviously you don't go out and do that, but if someone starts shooting up a place, you best believe if you have a gun and authority, that is the loving option.

So I have been suffering nonstop for at least 3 or 4 years now and in these last few days I have been able to put my finger on the cause. It is just these two ideas that my subconscious mind is very attached to. It is the idea that I am weak, and that I lack social skills. Just these two thoughts turnes my life into hell. They have been going on and on in my subconscious my mind unchecked and caused me to become what they say. I became weak, creepy and lost all my social life. I am just amazed by how much suffering limiting beliefs can cause. And I considermy self a conscious guy but I was blindsided by these thoughts. But today is a new beginning to me. I decided to let go of these thoughts completely and start working on rehabilitating myself. I have a lot to do actually. I became all the things that I have been working to not be. I am living a crappy life with just constant suffering. I need to work on the basics, clear my head, work on my personality and begin working on my life purpose. I know it is not going to be easy and these thoughts will try to reestablish themselves in my mind but there is no other way. I was actually on the verge of suicide for months now because of all the suffering I experienced. But I couldn't let all this potential that I see in me just go to waste. So yeah, running away will stop today.

That is why is the best argument against suicide because as most things in life they are not what they seem to be in first gaze. Yes, a human being commits suicide. Are u a human being? Idk, I'm asking watch closely.

Who commits suicide?

Because people do not understand how Truths operate at each layer. So even this questions arise. Leo has no problem at all talking about suicide with someone that would grasp what he is saying. However, a great amount of people would misunderstand what he is saying and would get disfunctional about it's own life. For someone who is so devoted to Truth, misleading people into falsehood is the worse crime. It is not what he would say, it is what u would listen, what u would understand or not understand, what u would interprete, what u would create, what u would project, what u would manifest...

What's the best argument against suicide?

It isn't bad, but the family that suffers for years afterwards isn't exactly what Leo tries to do. If we are really serious and not trying to get shortcuts, there is zero reason to commit suicide unless we are in deep deep pain, the kind of pain that can't be treated (and even then, you can still attract a miracle).

Leo has said "Everything is a hallucination at all times." That means that death is also a hallucination. It's not like death ends anything. You just go on to another existence for infinity....which is also a hallucination. The idea that suicide is "bad" is also more fantasy and hallucination. Funny how no one here wants to let go of that one :-)

In light of recent events we are tightening the ship around here. I am looking for a few additional Mods who will specialize in looking for posts/users who are going through difficult emotional stuff and suicidal thoughts or dark nights of the soul, and helping to guide such people towards professional help. You are not going to be their therapist, but in this role you will be dealing with more emotional issues so I'm looking for people who are interested in that kind of work. This role requires high empathy for struggling people and lots of patience. Your primary job would be to monitor the forum for people who are seriously struggling, depressed, or suicidal, and helping to guide them towards some real-world treatment options because this forum is not sufficient for such hard cases. Such people need real-world support and your role would be to hold them over until they can get it. And also to report back to me any members who are in serious danger of suicide. Because as this forum continues we will inevitably run into such people here. It's not avoidable and we need this place to be safe from any crazy self-harm incidents. Also, look out for any people considering Mahasamadhi. We are not gonna be allowing that here. If this role sounds like it fits you, please PM me.

I remember Leo said in a video that if you're dead, there's no more self actualization or something lol. Nah but seriously, he said life is all about survival. But yeah, if we're gonna apply philosophy and absolute truths to one thing, we should be able to apply it to alll, and in that case, suicide has no meaning.

Because in the 'real world', Leo doesn't want any of his viewers to get the wrong idea and kill themselves. He doesn't want to promote suicide and he doesn't want to be judged by others as promoting suicide. There's a contradiction though, because when you say that 'life', 'fun', 'sensations', 'meaning' etc are all just a dream, the people who really take that onboard tend to come to the conclusion that there's no *real* point in continuing the dream. To me, it falls into the category of self-preservation, albeit a slightly absurd one kind of like when people on drug forums describe their trip experiences as happening to 'SWIM' (Someone Who Isn't Me) in a naive attempt to avoid legal ramifications, when really anyone with half a brain knows exactly what's going on regardless.

Suicide comes with no guarantees of peace, liberation or freedom. The mistake is thinking it does.

I noticed that I'm looking different to actualized org after suicide of SoonHei and the whole ordeal by Conner Murphy. These happenings revealed spiral dynamics deep stage orange of this forum. There is a lot of selfishness that I was afraid of. I dropped those feelings of guilt of caring about myself. Everybody pursues his own interests, so will I.

I have no contact with my mother after years and years of emotional and physical abuse. I'm done with her and her abusive family but my grandmother's death makes me confront old shit again. One part of me wants to be nice and do the right thing and another part of me wants to stay close to myself: I'm not going back while I cut them out of my life. Going to the funeral will feel like stabbing myself in the back. I don't want to betray myself. I don't want to be nice at the expense of pleasing my nephews and nieches. I really don't care about my mother and her family but I do care about my nephews and nieches so I'm in a split. If I don't go my nephews and nieches will be angry at me. Perhaps not even want to see me but I doubt that. If I go, I will have to betray myself. I was on the blink of suicide thanks to my mother so I don't care about her. Also I don't want to see my mother and to play a role when I don't care.

I don’t post all that much, but I enjoy the intersection between psychedelics, enlightenment work, and finding emotional depth. It would be a shame if the forum lost that or it’s open character, so I hope you will keep those aspects intact. That said, clearer guidelines on suicide and being life-positive might be appropriate. The discussion of suicide is a significant part of spiritual growth, and shouldn’t be lightly disregarded. However, some basic points from a training on how to talk to suicidal people might be welcome.

Every time I look into the mirror I want to dowse myself in gasoline and light myself on fire. I was born with a benign vascular tumor above my upper lip and was bullied throughout all of school for it (I actually had it surgically removed at 15 but that didn't change a goddamn thing, I'm still ugly without it.). I've literally never had any sort of relationship and I don't think I ever will, which really fucks with my self esteem so I'm super uber arrogant to compensate. I want to delude myself into thinking I'm not ugly not because I want sex or a relationship, but because I think it will drive me to suicide if I don't. It is like a fucking curse that has haunted me since I was born, it isn't a belief, it is reality, it is so real I think it is hurting my business, I think people are ruder and less compassionate toward me because of it, I think its why I could never make friends. How can I just deny it and then deny my denial of it? I'm 23 btw

Woops, my bad, I guess I should have read all the replies closer myself.?‍♀️ (inserts foot in mouth) Well, that's very unfortunate ?, but you could still "try" to make a change that would potentially improve your situation over time, but you'd have to want it. Many, many years ago I had bulimia (I was in my mid-late twenties) and I couldn't stop on my own. Finally, a professional at their absolute wits end with me said try "Overeaters Annonymous" meetings. I said, yeah-yeah, ain't gonna work and I refused. He kept bringing it up and finally after I hit my lowest low of that disorder I finally went. I hated it and I thought it wouldn't work, but made a choice that I had nothing to lose (but an hour a week), so I would just keep going. Little by little the eating disorder got better and in 6 months it was completely gone. I stayed 3 more months doing weekly meetings before I stopped. So, we all have had our struggles. A decade ago, I had depression to the point of a suicide attempt, so I can say with a good amount of certainly that if you don't put in the work and effort to make change, however small it may be, then you'll potentially stay stuck, lonely and unhappy. Why not open your mind to finding a good therapist to help you? What do you have to lose?

Soonhei's suicide has led me to do some serious thinking about my relationship with Leo's teachings and this forum. @Leo Gura is correct that when someone dies in the backcountry, or an airplane goes down, we don't cancel camping or ban flying. When this happens search & rescue and the airline industry conduct a rigorous post-mortem in order to make changes that reduce risk. Because of this approach, commercial flight has today become safer than driving. Following is my own post-mortem analysis, do with it what you will, apologies for the length. I've divided it up into 3 spheres: 1. Leo's Teaching Leo's teachings have helped stupendously more people than they have harmed. Just looking at suicide, it seems clear that he has literally saved many people's lives. This is a great achievement alone, let alone all of the people who he has helped along the way in less dire situations. However, I would be dishonest if I didn't voice concern over some of his language. I believe some of it can easily be misunderstood and lead a person like Soonhei down the wrong path. This is not meant as an attack, I truly intend this as sharing a perspective, hopefully in the most (tough-) loving way possible. I hope this can help fortify Leo's teachings, and this community's response to them. Disclaimers and warnings are a great idea, and will help. However the issue will remain that people will ignore them, think they don't apply to them, or skip them altogether. There can be the assumption that warnings are a fake covering-your-ass thing, put in place to meet legal requirements, or youtube guidelines etc. I think many of us are conditioned to ignore warnings to some degree. In my opinion, the true caution has to go right down to the core of the language in the teaching. To give a concrete example, Leo has said on more than one occasion that he has "literally died". Now, this is clearly not true in the normal medical sense of what people mean when they literally die. I would hope that even a confused person would see this, but it sets a tone. In my opinion, this is too dangerous a phrase. There needs to be a very, very strong line in the sand between ego-death/transcendence and literal medical death. Again, I want to stay positive here, Leo is an extremely talented speaker, and it's impossible to deliver 100s of hours of lectures without an occasional error. I wouldn't last 1hr tbh. This is intended to hopefully shine some light. 2. This Forum I value the diversity of respectful viewpoints and discussion on this forum. I also support mild censorship to ban and closing of terrible and unproductive threads, and aggressive or useless discussion to keep this forum from becoming a generic free-for-all. There are more than enough platforms for talking shit. As a mod, I wish we could have noticed Soonhei's warning signs and intervened. What if. Fuck. I would probably support disabling PMs on this forum. I'm not completely sure about this, but I think it warrants discussion. Perhaps we should have all discussion above board here. I'm concerned that this community is displaying signs of cult-like behaviour. I think we could all do with checking in on the level of pedestalization of Leo and his teachings. Question respectfully, without attack. Check in if what you heard in his video is authentic for you. Check your biases, try not to worship. If someone has a thoughtful criticism of something you have gained from Leo's teaching (or any teaching), observe if this triggers you. I believe that a slight leaning towards an unquestioning and cult-like behaviour in this community contributed to Soonhei's fanatical final act. 3. Personal I've been overly cavalier in not providing cautions on this forum, especially WRT psychedelics. I also regret not voicing and trying to discuss my concerns earlier. I'll be more forthcoming and hopefully loving in my responses and perspectives. I think we all need to adopt the voice of no-self-harm (and no other-harm!) in all of our interactions on here.

Funny, I just shared this beautiful Bentinho talk on another actualized forum: I've followed Bentinho the last 6 or 7 years, have done some of his events, his free trinfinity academy, online workshops, and having met and talked to him personally. He feels like a brother from another dimension to me. And similar to how I resonate with Leo's perspective and work I have also observed many similarities in how this generation of current spiritual teachers are being perceived, portrayed and judged by the masses on social media which are clearly not yet capable of understanding or opening up to this higher level of consciousness. For example Bentinho's inner circle of like minded individuals at some point, a few years ago, was infiltrated by a self proclaimed journalist type with a very negative intention to expose Bentinho as a dangerous cult leader. That individual wrote a very judging and opinionated article (on medium) in which a lot of his spiritual teachings were taken out of proper context and mixed with many accusations from a very low level fear based consciousness perspective, framing him to be some kind of suicide encouraging monster and dangerous cult leader. To the level that when the article was published the local community of the city of Boulder became so much influenced by the fear the article triggered that Bentinho and his inner circle and following had to actually move away from that area because they weren't welcome there anymore. In one of his videos Bentinho explained that he was even visited by the police because they were seriously investigating a suicide of one of his students and were trying to determine if he had perhaps encouraged people to commit suicide in his talks. I mention this story In light of the recent events with the suicide of one of Leo's forum members and the very large youtube following Leo currently has statistically. Because of my own spiritual growth and experience as a local spiritual coach / teacher in my city and country I am aware of how powerfully this level of higher consciousness can inspire awakening, accelerate inner growth and expand our understanding of reality. But I also notice how relative and even limiting some of the social media or platforms used in combination with this type of philosophical and spiritual information in teaching higher consciousness can be. Bentinho himself once said something like: "A true master is not the one with the greatest amount of followers, but rather the one who creates the most masters." Which points to the how the actual evolution of consciousness naturally unfolds, as a process that our daily lives already catalyse, because we are the creators of our reality, whether or not we are personally awake to that absolute realisation. Everything is a reflection of our inner state of being and when we are honestly ready and asking for expansion we will naturally create, attract or resonate with the information and all the different ways that would currently contribute to the realisation of our inner desire to grow spiritually. Although I very much appreciate and admire both Leo's and Bentinho's ambition, inspiration, dedication, eloquence and body of work, I also notice that some aspects of this form of teaching, with youtube video's and social media expressions, are not always very effective ultimately. In essence every tool, ritual, approach, philosophy, object, inspirational video etc simply functions as and can be embraced as a permission slip to allow yourself to match a specific preferred frequency of being, to resonate with and become the parallel reality version of yourself that you aspire. Listen to this explanation by Bashar about the concept of how 'permission slips' work in our consciousness: The main similarity and theme I notice in how the teachings of Leo and Bentinho are expressed and interpreted is the cognitive, mental and spiritual understanding and eloquence in explaining very abstract concepts about consciousness and the nature of reality from that higher perspective, just as how this enlightened wisdom has been communicated in many books throughout our close past history. (the Seth Material, the Ra Material, Bashar etc) But this level of clear communication does not automatically mean that the consumers or audience who listens to, reads or views these transmissions will be able to comprehend or integrate as knowing what is being transmitted. Just as how someone might have peak experiences of divinity or enlightenment using psychedelics as a permission slip, but also having to deal with the contrast of those expanded perspectives in relationship to daily life experience. One obvious benefit of our current technological capabilities is that these teachers are now able to easily create beautiful databases of thematic information, but as a side effect these forms may also encourage many to become even more lazy by only following and mentally consuming the information without having the support or dedication to actually explore, experiment with and integrate the wisdom that is being communicated in daily life embodiment. That is why I still wish to focus my attention mostly on interacting and meditating with people who are at least open to apply what is being offered as invitation and might benefit from the individual attention in their growth. What I mean by this is that it could be equally valid, effective and valuable to interact with for example only 2 people or students in a certain amount of time as with for example 2 million followers, from the point of view of contributing to the expansion of human consciousness. All that we as spiritual teachers are able to do is offer others the loving invitation, mental clarity and intuitive inspiration to expand one's own understanding by being a reflection, an open door to and a shining example of higher divine consciousness. Relevant to this theme I recommend this series by Bentinho on how to inspire change (session 1 - 2): https://www.youtube.com/c/BentinhoMassaro/search?query=how to inspire change And this 4 part series about the fall & rise of our civilization: https://www.youtube.com/c/BentinhoMassaro/search?query=fall rise civilization Another example of Bentinho's work is this exploration and visualisation of the topic of death: Overall I think that there is currently way more desire for individual and small group type tailored education and interaction than there is for more spiritual information being put out on this relative mental plane. And I would encourage everyone who feels inspired to contribute to our collective spiritual evolution to initiate their own local gatherings or meditation groups in order to support each other in this way. Having teachers like Leo, Bentinho, Bashar and many others providing us with comprehensive background information and next level teachings to draw upon, I feel we are invited to help each other in step by step applying and integrating much of this wisdom in our present reality experience. Individual or collective spiritual awakening, enlightenment and empowerment cannot be forced, but can be effectively invited, activated and catalysed with our loving attitude, time and energy. Leo and Bentinho beautifully play their parts , their specific roles in this endeavour, how do you wish to contribute in your own unique way?

Speak for yourself. Plus, he lives in Sweden ? Over a decade ago I had a skilled therapist help me after a suicide attempt. She was fabulous. Therapist are like anything though there are good ones and not so good ones. If you come across one not working for you, try another. Giving up and not talking to a professional when you are seriously depressed/anxious shouldn't be an exceptable option.

@mp22 There is no contradiction at all. You simply haven't yet understood what "meaninglessness" actually is and how deep it really goes. If you think that meaninglessness is a problem and that therefore now you should end your life, you haven't understood. What happens, when truly everything becomes meaningless? Well, obviously the fact that everything is meaningless becomes meaningless too. And in that way, meaninglessness flips inside out - the moment you realize what 100% meaninglessness is, man.. That's liberation. That's a true gift. And you say "thank god this is just an illusion!" But you see, the illusion is real. If you think that "illusion" is a bad word, you also don't understand what is meant by saying "the universe is an illusion". Please be careful. Because it seems to me that you have adopted some of the things Leo or someone else said as a philosophy and then turned it into a prescription for what to do. But that's not how it works. Be very, very careful with rationalizing ideas like meaninglessness or suicide. It can develop into some seriously nasty problems.